[000:00:00;00] yes, i rehabbed in earnest, and then it turned out that living according to sobriety is much more interesting, and then there are all sorts of, you know, very subtle states, when there, well , there are people who meditate there, there are people who do yoga , people who are simply engaged in some kind of spiritual work, and with themselves, they go to some other levels, which are much more interesting, i did yoga, not only did i do yoga, i am a certified yoga teacher, once , secondly, my friend yulia and i have tea, in st. petersburg they opened a social movement called generation yoga, and which was absolutely not about money, but about the fact that

there is this knowledge, and there are different types of it. different, different, different facets, different directions, well, there is a lot of yoga there, and there is ashtanga kundalia, yoga flow, yoga nidra, taichi-taiz and so on, these are all some facets of yoga, so we came up with a story that we are a social movement, where we bring all facets of yoga to places where there is no yoga, and this is all for a voluntary donation. yeah, like, so as much as possible and remove all the obstacles and bring this knowledge to people as much as possible, we have, in short, a bunch of people there, just a few thousand people there have gone through our movement, a lot of teachers have passed, we’re doing yoga, we’re doing meditation, yes, yes, yes, we’re doing enlightenment, no there is no more alcohol in your life, and i’ve been leading a healthy

lifestyle for over 20 years, and you also don’t eat meat? yes, there was a time when i was a vegetarian for 8 years, uh, now i’m on an excursion into the world of meat, but something tells me that i’ll probably go back to in the near future, maximum sin with a fish, something like that, i still know from time to time what i do, i starve, imagine, the biggest record i had, i went hungry for 42 days, didn’t eat anything for 42 days, yes, that’s it sitting, alive, those years on tour, do you remember them, stirred up something with fans, of course, of course, i still actually remember, i don’t know, somehow you can imagine, it sunk into my soul, i was in volgograd, and after the concert she comes up, the girl is alone, she’s just the cutest, with

an ideal figure, with big beautiful eyes, with... well, just an angel, in short, i just can’t forget her, can you imagine, uh , how many times i’ve been to volgograd, that’s how i wanted it, so that after the concert , uh, there’s some woman there, the girl said, but remember, but it was me, i was just waiting , can you imagine this kind of magic, and i didn’t try to find her anymore, damn it, i don’t know what happened, yes, maybe i didn’t write it down at all... on the phone , or, i don’t know how it happened, but you can be found on social networks, let’s connect hearts, you can turn to the camera, here's your camera, to this volgograd girl, just tell her everything you think about her, and so that she finds you, precious, you are my woman, uh, that means i would really like you in some- then she found me on social networks

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move your legs, flanks, hello friends, this is the podcast life of the wonderful, i’m with you, its host, writer alexey varlamov, my guests today are cinema and literature, the wonderful director alexander veledinsky and the writer, public figure, sergei shargunov. and the reason for our wonderful meeting, thank you for coming, was the release of the film 1993, based on the novel by sergei shargunov and, in fact, today is about it

novel, about this film, about this time, i want to talk to you, let's start with you, sergey, in fact, the theme of 1993 in literature is reflected in one way or another, that's what comes to mind, well, this yuri bondarev's novels bermuda... institute, his novel eclipse of mars, what else comes to mind, boris evseev, renounced hymns, and here is yours, leonid borodin had it, leonid borodin had it, leonidovich, by the way, and dwarf cranes , from vasily belov, from belov, yes, of course, from vasily belov, here your novels. eduard lemov, well, look, all these writers are writers, so to speak, of an older generation than you, writers who encountered these events at a completely different age, and you, who were

then a youth, a teenager, why, why, that you were a thirteen-year-old boy, ninety-three years old, we are children of the terrible years of russia, unable to forget anything, remember, like in the bloc, i belonged to the generation that matured early, everything that happened and... those events, in my opinion, were to a certain extent turning points in the modern history of russia and the first year is not a turning point? and this is all interconnected, of course, this is such a special time, but it is interesting that the people who defended this building together in the ninety-first year turned out to be opponents 2 years later, and it is characteristic that many young guys, either my peers, or a little older, those who defended democracy in ninety-one became defenders in ninety -three, and among them there were those who died, for example, i rushed to the barricades in... the first and came already in ninety-three, in

ninety-one they didn’t let me in? parents are not they let me in, in ninety-three they didn’t let me in either, but i had already run away from home, it was all taken very seriously, painfully, but besides everything else, it seems to me that a certain gaze of a writer was already emerging, because when i got there, i tried to remember it all, to record it in your mind, and you were so crazy, what were you doing there on those barricades, well, first of all? you are such a witness, a chronicler, it was very interesting for me to communicate with people, to understand what they are like, i remember this krasnoprestinskaya station, ordinary people in the metro are completely indifferent to what is happening, and one person in shabby clothes, screaming comrades do not forget to get out, and how many people shied away from him, i go out, i see a woman with a mm vat of borscht, who was detained by the police, she is trying to sneak this borscht to the besieged barricades and it’s big... the pan tips over

and a bright red slurry spills across the marble floor of krasnopresnenskaya, you knew about it , i told you about it, i think so too, it’s just that they asked, i didn’t tell you, well, maybe there will be more series, no, probably not me then, well, there’s a lot more, and the smoke of the fires, and the faces of the barricades, and completely different flags , an inflorescence of flags, arguing within the crowd, someone turns away from one speaker, someone... towards him turns around with hope, completely different chants, completely different flags, and you memorized all this with your young memory , the society for developing the theory of youth happiness, there were christian democrats, cadets, anarchists, nationalists, such an absolutely amazing gatepark in the center of the city, wonderful, what are your memories alexander? and my memories are that i started on october 1, i’m not from moscow, and on october 1 we started studying at the higher courses for screenwriting.

and directors and lived in a hostel in gik, this is galushkina street, next to mira avenue, from the sixteenth floor, which means we saw armored personnel carriers coming from our hostel, kostankina, and we, we lived in the same room, lyosha sidarov, igor porublev and i , this is the entire future brigade, who made the brigade, lyosha is the director, and we went after these armored personnel carriers, kostankina and saw all this with our own eyes, so to speak, we took part. believed that we, novice filmmakers, should, of course, be in the thick of things, at that moment you lay under bullets there, they shot at us, reporters were killed before my eyes, all this happened, yes, and you can say that you as a director in a sense, they were also born there, of course, then i didn’t think, then it was scary, there was real shooting, because armored personnel carriers were driving around, announcing that if you don’t disperse in 45 minutes, in 30,

in 10 minutes, we will open fire, who didn’t believe, it’s all in the film, when ask, i was more focused on the novel on the chronicle, because we came when ask, part of ask, what is this, this is the technical center in ostankino, opposite the main building, that’s where we crashed cars, we, we didn’t see it with our own eyes, so i could only rely on the chronicle of roman seryozh and the eyewitnesses, but we tried to do everything exactly as it happened there, and when the first shots were already fired, tracing upward. and then we went

down, we fell, crawled there, that is, on the ground, then my worldview changed, forever, but how did it happen that you read sharguno’s novel, and seryozha and i are friends, we met for 20 years in saratov at the trial of eduard limonov, we are friends and communicate, and seryozha gave me this book 10 years ago, well, when it came out, 20 years, not even 10 years have passed, yes , i read it, i always knew that this was my topic, ninety-three, then your geographer just came out, yes, the geographer just came out, yes, i i looked and thought, how is everything? the film is based on the novel by sergei shargunov, and why motives? still, cinema and literature are absolutely the essence of different things, of course i think literature comes first, cinema is based on literature, even if it is

original, but the script is still written, i just have to let everything pass through myself, which means i'm starting to. it’s a fantasy, especially here i’m a participant in the events, so i already made, i don’t remember, four or five film adaptations, starting with pietsukha with the first short film, limnov, then limnov, then ivanov, alexey ivanov, then prilepin, the monastery series, and yes , this is the fifth incarnation, it turns out for me, with whom i did not communicate with the writers, i immediately warned what i would do based on the motive. and not once did anyone have any objections, everything, all the writers, told me about the same thing, that the book is already good, if you make a bad film - your problems, if you make a good one, this is only a plus for us, writers, so i think this i mean, i’m very pleased with the film, and i immediately understood that it would be a separate

independent world, but it’s all the more interesting to observe those rapper points that are in the novel and see, as it were, such a parallel the life of your heroes or see the film embodiment of certain moves, for example, when the tsoi are singing on the opposite barricades, and how the camera, yes, goes into the sky and is transferred from tverskaya street to the ostankino pond, and now you came up with it, wrote it, now you see it already embodied on the screen, by the way, this episode is very important, in principle, this is something that should, should bring people together, but what is happening, it seems to me, is that in something important we coincide, because thought and books and films, how scary dehumanization is, how it’s scary when a split occurs among people, especially those closest to them, and this is not made up, we know thousands of such families, and then and now the archetypal story is absolutely yes, the heroes are not some kind of activists, these are ordinary

people, it’s just that harsh reality has invaded them quite a quiet ordinary life, so read a book, watch a movie, compare in favor of one or the other, but seryozha and i seem to be happy with each other, right? oh yes, well , i must say that it happened something like this for me, i was sitting while watching this film next to pavel bosinsky and i kept asking basinsky, pasha, and this was in the book, and this was, because i must admit, i had not read the book at that time, i’m guilty before you seryozha, that i read this book already after i watched this film, because i suddenly became wildly interested in what is in the film , what is in the book, when i read the book, i realized that it is, of course, very different, very different, and this interesting, yes, interesting, how did you work with this literary material, yes, interesting, how did you this novel develops such a canvas, such a saga, really a family one, but still, returning to basinsky

, there have already been a lot of reviews of the film, mostly positive, in general it seems to me that this is a great success, on which i can sincerely congratulate you the entire film crew, but nevertheless, the question hovers: are you still for the whites or for the reds? it seems to me that as long as we ask ourselves this question, we will live, not very well, here you are, a former teacher of marxism-lenism, are you for the reds or for the whites? i'm for private property, and so do i, but i doubt it, i want to figure it out, because i am for justice, i am for the people, we will apparently always discuss this question with each other, meaning that white and red are completely different, they are not necessarily colors, the bolsheviks are there too liberals there, nothing like that, yes, but as long as we ask this question, we will not achieve happiness, happiness cannot be achieved, only a madman is happy, but can we then

conclude from this that such a super idea, a super task of your film is to make people stop asking this question so that they did you ask any other questions? this is mercy, this is very banal and simple, this is mercy, sympathy, empathy, as they say now, humanity, humaneness, you know, when they ask me who i am for, i am for the murdered, so i want them not to be forgotten, i like the fact that alexander resurrected, left two children alive, they were in fact a lover, a girl, a poetess, bart, natasha petukhova. her fiancé alexey shumsky, a young engineer, they died under bullets, i want there to be at least a symbolic monument to the murdered, in fact we need a real one, this is our common tragedy. when they ask for someone, why can’t one be for the peaceful coexistence of different forces, why there couldn’t be competition

between different ideas and people, rivalry within the framework of the law of the revolution of power, this is said by sergei shargunov, who is now in his 40s, i did the same then i thought that when we went to these barricades there was already an idea that i was going against the violation of the constitution, and not more for the white house, it turns out? against breaking the law, i was in favor of preserving civilized competition on both sides, i was in favor of simultaneous re-elections taking place in 1993, for this, and i, already thirteen years old, understood this, but you said that your worldview changed after these events, what did you mean? well, i’m just like a character, i gave this to the character victor, and the main character, i also once posted with yeltsin, for yeltsin, in the ninety-first year, yes, naturally, we

all longed for this, i was luckier , than to our hero, because in ninety -three i entered the higher course and just i just changed my life there 180°, yes, here, here we imagine a person who longs for a new life, democracy, freedom of speech, everything, everything, everything, it all seems to come. at the same time they remove the ground from under your feet and say: now live as you want, and the person is not ready, and there were a lot of them, and they were deceived, the reforms were carried out, apparently wrong, no one thought about the people, he says in a taxi, no one explained to people, and no one needs people, red and white, of course, the drama is in total intolerance, in the unwillingness to take into account another person, and many believe that this is some kind of historical curse, that all this... has very deep, strong roots in history, i believe that then there was a very serious chance, a chance for a complex but

compromise, and i believe that in 1993 there was the most severe trauma for the subsequent time, believe me, i still had many questions in relation to a significant part of those who were from the outside - the defenders of the white house, but i believe in diversity, i am against defamation and mythologization, in fact it's scary, both sides are looking at each other friend already through the sight, everything was split , not only the families there, but the country was actually split in half, and the way out of this was through blood, well, in general , in a sense, we still have not split in such a semantic postscript of the event ended, the split continues and, unfortunately, those events about the fact that there is the right of the strong, and this was , in general, the destruction presented by perestroika, because people... already believe in politicians, in general in their civic capabilities, take an interest in what is happening, they

understood , what will influence what is beyond our power, here in in this sense, after we lay under bullets, and i realized that the tanks would pass in any way, you can’t create an idol for yourself, these are also commandments, that’s right, i remember, i lived nearby, the glass was clinking, but they are commandments, everything responded pain, i must say that my dad is a priest, and we went, a few days later, he served at a memorial service, i saw these endless traces of bullets, everything torn apart, a sobbing mother, i then met a lot of parents, in general, this everything has become such a personal story, even in our home the barricades smelling of fires were hiding, well, of course, it was right

to shelter the bison, models tomorrow after the program i’ll steal time if stealing is your thing, sometimes you wonder, besides your family, friends, children, does anyone else need you, for an actor it’s for the viewer, your role influences the viewer, in order to do something, you need to be either desperate from birth, so that... this may be the most important piece, i have emotions that arise in this year, there is simply no etching fear, please check that the seat belts are fastened correctly or no, the theater is necessary for the artist, it is vital, because professional growth occurs in the theater, i built the moskovensky theater in the image of a snuff box, i will not blow the budget, this is the very theater that i love very much. i love conventional theaters a year ago, vladimir sergeevich, the kid suggested that i take a course in geek again, sit down at the desk again , talk about it again, i need to move on, i need to develop

every time with a sinking heart, such a fate means this is how i’m leading through life, that’s how it should be, for the anniversary of sergei bezrukov, premiere documentary film on saturday on the first, what, where, when, the autumn series of games, the final , on sunday on the first, this is a podcast, the life of the wonderful, i am its host... writer alexey varlamov, my guests are director alexander veledinsky and writer sergei shargunov. we are talking about the film 1993, i can say, i remember my feelings from this time, if you compare the ninety-first and the nineteenth, but these are the two key points of russian history in the ninety-first, i was such an active citizen, because i was of course against the state emergency committee, of course, for yeltsin, of course, there, in

1993, to be honest, i was so tired of everything. such a lack of faith, i didn’t like either of them, i didn’t like the others, i didn’t understand what they were doing there at all, i had to survive, here’s the family, there, the wife, pregnant, well, i later described it all in the birth story , this is exactly what everything was happening at that time, so when i just watched your film, he said, i really liked it, i really liked how the era was recreated there, i i liked the interior, the details, the dialogues, the trains, it’s all very cool, but nevertheless, i caught myself feeling like i was watching a movie... which doesn’t quite coincide with my memories of that time, because i was busy i have a feeling that a lot of people in russia, that is, there was some kind of a bunch of passionaries on one side on the other side, who had some kind of showdown between them, and a huge country, now it no longer believed either one or the other, a huge country, this is mine i have a feeling, alexey, that you are now contradicting yourself in a good sense about this,

because you also said that you lived to the letter. but i didn’t even have any thoughts about going there, as zenshtein said, what is it like to go there, because i will be doing there, i need to earn money, someone was drawn in, someone is a playwright, he looks like a crazy traffic controller, if the traffic controller is supposed to be at an intersection separate everyone , so that everyone leaves, the playwright must push everyone together, which means, yes, it is clear that sergei in the novel and i in the film, when i wrote the script, there were four. version of the script, we created a situation around the hero in order to bring him to these barricades, the death of a friend and so on, it must be said that usually only a few percent of the population participates in dramatic events associated with upheavals, in fact always and even in the events of the ninety- first year

, for the most part, ordinary people did not participate, people lived their lives, of course, of course, he says, i want, he says to his wife at the beginning of the film, the task is... to survive in the new paradigm, but at the same time i represent, i represent you , alexey, u white house on tverskaya, had the circumstances been a little different, there was just a certain intellectual company there, conversations, i listened, read, it could have been completely, i see you there, i remember, i later became very friends with a wonderful writer, leonid bordin , whom i really love very much, i think that he is one of the most outstanding russian writers. sat there for his activities and he told me that all my friends were there at the white house, but they had red banners, i could not go under red banners, this is a contradiction, but he was also there in white, the fact is that they were walking there, he told me that he was transporting

food there, he participated, but he could not ideologically stand side by side with them, that is . in general, the supreme council itself was, by the way, not a communist social-democratic, but this is, so to speak, a political analysis, in the same scene in a taxi, the hero says a very important, important phrase, that i am the people, but i don’t like the leaders, none, it’s as if a thought is born before our eyes, and so on at least, tsyganov played it, that it is not good that fights evil, but evil that fights evil. and people, of course, recoiled from any politics, and after that, including december of ninety-three, all sorts of protest votes, all this showed how people were stunned by both tank salvoes and the fact that they did not trust anyone, but this does not mean that there were no bright participants,

charismatic in their own way, with their own truth and so on, just to get rid of it. in the words of a plague on both your houses, i'm not ready, i just think that i was a chance to avoid this head-on collision, and i sincerely believe that in diversity, in general in openness, diversity there are saving ways, and i think this is very important, including about this movie, it’s very easy to pit people against each other, but in reality to hear to understand, this is also important, but nevertheless, look, it still turns out that for the most part, even fiction, it is rather on the side of the white house, after all, to say that some literary works were created, so to speak, relatively speaking, with the liberal shade, nothing special comes to my mind. i named quite marginalized works, well, okay, but what about famous writers, but still these books, which are not quite well-known, and belong to the subculture, i want to say that,

apart from the novel for 1993, nothing has been written about this, absolutely true, well, i hope that this topic will continue to resonate in literature, and i think new things will appear, and from what you said, there is also a lot, of course, worthy. this is the spirit of yegor letov’s songs, too another barricader, who was dragged around psychiatric hospitals, mental hospitals in soviet times, and then he raised a red flag in protest, so he was also very worried about the fate of the shot parliament and it was precisely this spirit of victory of the losers that was accurate, in general the country was imbued with pity for those who have become victims, this is also another lesson from october , and of course, writing a work from the position of, they hit you right, they hit you, this is somehow not at all in the spirit of russian literature, that’s what

tsyganov’s hero even says when they save sida, answering his question, means colleagues, they are victims, then the colleague says, they will seize power, they will become like everyone else , he says, then they will be, but now they are victims, let’s save them, let’s feel sorry for them, victims, he called for mercy on the fallen, of course, yes, it’s also very interesting, if you compare the film and the book, yes, this is the ending, at the end of the book the hero dies, yes, and in your case the girl he knows dies, this is in the novel too happened, she doesn’t die there, she’s taken away, she’s wounded there, she really bloodied, and whether she will survive, this is a big question, you have one of... this is just a separate word of gratitude i must say, how

convincingly they play, how much you believe in them, no one with a cold nose worked in this picture, and neither the actors, nor the directors, nor the cameramen, nor the make-up artists, nor the lighting technicians, nor the work, everyone was very worried and let it pass through themselves, i can absolutely say that, thank you guys, thank you to the group, thank you all very much. i think that for both... age and for young people there , everyone will take away something different, but what the picture, although it is quite long, looks at one go and you just, well, just believe in what you see, and the camera work is absolutely amazing,

the artist there, in my opinion, is some kind of cameraman , all these here in the book, the hero really dies and to me it seems that this is honestly justified literary, but the movie viewer is still waiting for something bright. outcome, well, the book also has a bright outcome, because literature is often halftones, but here, by the way, he dies in the book not from bullets, but these are those who will read, but it seems to me that cinema, this is no offense to cinema, it’s just such a genre, requires some more drastic decisions, still let me remind you once again that i connected, even with myself personally skipping all this, instead i wrote four versions of the script. i wrote the script for 2 years during this time. i was born in the third version, in my opinion, of the script, exactly

this ending was born, because i survived and i survived this time and i found myself some opportunities to move , although having completed higher courses in ninety-five, when we were told that there would be nothing, goodbye, you studied in vain, you know, yes, well, somehow in that paradigm we tried to survive and those who had the patience survived. so on my part, just because i’ve already gone down this path, it would be dishonest to heroize this, of course, but don’t you feel sorry for the girl , it’s a pity, it’s a pity, it’s a pity, it’s a pity, it’s a pity, and it’s a pity for jansa in the book, too, she dies, more so developed than in the book, i can just tell you, she can be a little funny it seems like a story when i gave sasha robuk

one of the script options to read almost... i say, well, it’s time to disconnect, he stars in every film i have, but he wasn’t in the monastery, and he says, he read it, he says he really likes the script, well, that’s right, i say, i’ll write a scene for you, especially , in which you reveal the shame, you reveal the main character even more, it was a scene in a bar at night, when they are afraid, i was afraid all my life, i was afraid all my life, but i wrote this scene for him, and sasha said, well, thank you , now it's a role. this is the podcast life of the wonderful, i am its lead writer alexey varlamov, my guests are director alexander veledinsky and writer sergei shargunov. we are talking about the film 1993. by the way, i was pleased with how the book and the film were perceived from left to right, by those who still remain, but those with artistic flair, they

each saw their own, and this pain remains. with people, and at the same time, those who persist in dogmatism, of course, will not be satisfied , neither the novel nor the film. there will be haters from right to left, and i had no doubt about it, when i started making the film and read the book, i knew, and this happened 4 years ago, our first movements towards the film began, i admire it, i really trust alexander, and of course, this was created as a separate, most interesting work. yes, i also think so, that indeed this film is such a real event, which we have had for a long time, probably, i want, i want to make this remark, i often read reproaches, especially related to the new generation, many say how it will be perceived those who did not live then and did not see this, it seems to me, in some sense in the film it is deliberately, if not smoothed out,

then the political context is brought out, and this to me... it is very important to show that good, sincere people could end up like this against each other, and this mysticism, magic, mystery, pain of schism, seems to me much more important than immersion in details. it’s difficult, i might even argue with this, because it was in the novel, no , it was in the novel that i was very interested in reading,

advice, and my friend called me and said that i had to go, because well, no god forbid these vostankins will burst in and what will happen in the country is generally unclear, i remember from the feeling that i need to feed my children, i have other worries altogether, such a common man in me spoke to such a nesin, a private person who doesn’t want to have anything to do with all this, so this is of course curious, in the film, by the way, it was very interesting to me when some kind of documentary appeared there... of the documentary and artistic origins in our country, i can now reveal such a secret in the second version of the script, in my opinion, i read these were characters who directly participated in film, it was necessary to look for actors, all this and this would have become boring in my big opinion, and i refused this skid,

because a book is a book, again, a movie is a movie, but with you, of course, here in the movie is