[000:00:00;00] second child, daughter ksenia, but this did not save the relationship, a year later plotnikov left the family, ksyusha was completely gone, dad and mom, how can i say, separated somewhere, i was about five years old, i went with my dad later , but this was just separate, and ksyusha, to put it mildly, had less communication with her father , after breaking up with irina, plotnikov continued to work a lot, exhibitions of his photographs were opened all over the world, they once made one joint exhibition together, there was such an experiment, not all the heroes coincided, but very many coincided, i’ll tell you, it was a funny story, because you could compare, you see one friend and another friend, during one of the exhibitions that took place in the actor’s house in 1997, valery met the love of his life, i have

a wonderful one... it was dedicated to the memory of anatoly vasilyevich efres, students to teacher. in connection with this, we had to film plotnikov’s exhibition, then margarita alsanovna said that i won’t go, if you want, go yourself. i come up and say, hello, terrible valery fedorovich, he says: “me or valery or fedorovich?" "well, okay , i say, you know, i really need to film your exhibition for one evening, and then i will hang it in the same order as you hang it all. he tells me: this cannot be, i say, believe me, it will happen, he says , do what you want, without turning your head, said valeriyvich, suddenly sveta sat down like this on the cushion of the sofa, asked me if i liked the evening, i couldn’t imagine such amazing women, i was simply blown away, and then i got very sick

i was sick for a long time, valera kept asking where i was and what i was doing, she told him that she was sick, then when he found out how serious it was, and i was already out after 8 months, i just had a stroke, it took me a long time to come to my senses and i went back to work, he came up and said, you know, i have a dacha near st. petersburg, and you definitely need to get some air, by this time, sveta was free and i was already free, too, svetlana was not allowed to climb the stairs to the second floor, therefore valery converted the first one so that she it was convenient, i arrived at the dacha near st. petersburg, and left it three times, everything is not mine, the person is not mine, and in general everything has nothing to do with me, we are like water and fire, two completely opposite people, so how - i thought, lord, why do i need this, but he turned out to be persistent, now, he has

a muse, our wonderful light, he stole her from us, talented, beautiful, witty, that’s it, she’s a usefulness complex and she i threw myself on the altar of this wonderful bore valerka. plotnikov for the first time in his life, he literally insisted on an official marriage, although svetlana was against it. it was possible not to fence this garden of cliches completely, but well.... polera said that for the first time in his life he wanted to be married of his own free will, when the branch appeared, can you imagine, he became prettier, he began to smile sometimes, he became a little... slightly, to react to humor, he himself has no humor at all, we are serious, so sveta breathed into him the components of humanity, he

communicates with people very difficult, he... presents them with an internal account, he wants peace corresponded to his ideas about beauty, he was very expressive and treated everyone the same way, with everyone , no matter whether it was smaktunovsky, or bashmet, or, well, it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter, in this case he was the stage director, and that’s all of us, everyone in general, who is in his five albums, these are models , when you think about valera, you get a feeling of very... some kind of fundamentality and tenacity of character, valera is a special person, i have known him for so many years, and i never remember, to change himself. valera, an exceptionally decent person, which is not enough in our today's society, and you can always trust him, you can go on

reconnaissance with him. he expects the same honesty from others. belief in the inviolability of promises more than once caused him pain and even led to a break in relations with close friends. let me understand this, kill the dragon in yourself, in yourself, you understand this, since sashka abdulov is no longer here, and no one will scold me, then i can tell this story, lenochka koreneva, then she was leaving to get married, which means she was going to america, ermmolnik, i decided to give she's almost half the size of this table envelope, maybe inside they made some kind of record , a rock group, poverty, large threshold on one side, on the other side a rock group, large poverty, not a threshold, small, and accordingly, there they were, there

on one side, dressed in a bowler hat in a top hat, that means ermmolnik, abdulnik, and two more people, and if we turn it over, we were all naked, for me i remember exactly that the causal place was covered with a rose, some literally 15-20 years old, and valera for some reason i decided to give this, in short, this photograph appeared in the newspaper, but to publish photograph, valery was persuaded by a friend. and at that time he was the deputy editor-in-chief, such a weekly was a stage screen , these are the dimensions of just a week, like this , listen, well, give me the photographs, i perfectly understood that he was interested in, say, the nude version, i don’t know why well, i... well, it was awkward to tell them: borya, well, i won’t give you photographs, leave me alone. and i came up with, as it seemed to me, a win-win option, i say, borya, you understand, these photographs are published only together, if you take one, i understood which one, but this is necessary

second to publish. eborimy says, i ’ll do it, we’ll print both, this screen comes out of the scene, right here it’s just the size of a matchbox. a photograph was printed where they are dressed, that is, indeed the conditions, as if paris were there, were met, on the last cover with all their might, this photograph was printed, moreover, they also chopped up the text under them, they sold everything from themselves in order to subscribe to weekly screens of the stage, after that there was a big fight in the restaurant of the cinema house, or rather in the toilet of the restaurant at home the movie is on... basically this guy says: i ’ll kill you, i say kill you if it makes you feel better, because what?

sasha, in my opinion, valera plotnikov broke some kind of shell, this story was noisy, noisy, you know, time heals everything, it was so long ago, now from what was happening in our lives, this is the funniest thing. but then plotnikov didn’t think it was funny, only many years later he and alexander abdullov made peace. valery svetlana finally moved from moscow to her beloved named after petersburg. now valery plotnikov has everything he needs: his favorite job, his favorite woman, and his favorite city. yes, he loves silence, he loves comfort, he loves peace, he feels good when we are together. and no one bothers us, he is rich in acquaintances, rich in the people with whom he works, it’s amazing, you agreed to be photographed , well, practically most of all with valera, i, like any woman, like it when there are beautiful

photographs, you can’t tell the time from his photograph, they exist simply by themselves, we can say for sure that these people were, they were wonderful for the most part. valery has a brilliant, brilliant artistic life, that his photography cannot be called a photographic revelation, it is not a photographic revelation, it is a revelation of a huge artist, but me, class, more, that’s it,

we shot everything, hurray. minor discussions about loneliness, hope and despair, unhappy love and experiences that will resonate in the soul of every person. one can view these songs as an expression of the russian sad soul. hello, today we have gathered our thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon about the spiritual search of russian musicians. hello, dear friends. vyacheslav gutusov, alexey belov. i'm very glad to see you. what i read was from a modern article dedicated to russian rock.

yeah, i would like to ask you, as a warm-up question, how ready you are to agree with this, i would say that my aspirations now to talk about happy love are greater than they are happy, but you are talking about now , that’s basically it, if we can say, that’s how the author of this the article believes that a large segment of rock composition is an expression of the russian sad soul. well, in some ways he is right, of course, because, because if you say that, so to speak, dig deeper and say that sadness is for god, that is, about god, then it’s probably true, yes, well, this is a well-known state of the russian a person, because he never imagines himself in some kind of ideal, so he is always sad that he has not achieved something that he could? at least looking at the icons of the

saints, yes, well, that is, this sadness is not about imperfection of the world, but in its internal state, the imperfection of the world is also probably in some way, of course, because this is also sadness from a person, but he knows that once there was paradise, everything was there, even animals talked there, and then here ’s the story twice, and what is the transition from this sadness to the joy that you just talked about, well, i would say that it’s difficult. happens because what alexey is talking about is about those losses that occurred after adam, the first man, left paradise, and came to this world, so to speak, to nourish it with his own efforts , well, of course, with god's help, but man has lost a lot, including things connected with nature, with nature, yes, if there in paradise -

his animals they knew each other perfectly, they understood each other, moreover, adam was, so to speak, their patron of the earth, yes he named names, yes he gave them names, then as soon as he went out of the gate, and as soon as archangel michael closed the gate with his sword, the animals stopped recognize adam and they told him directly, you have lost image of god, we don’t recognize you, they started growling at him, and they are still growling, listen, he called his hands. theologians and friends have come, but i still want to torment you a little, you know, to ask you, maybe to step back a little, maybe even from your current inner experiences, although we will definitely talk about them, but i would i still wanted to talk to you, you know, how in science there is such a method of included analysis, yes, when, because the scientist is usually aloof, yes, included analysis is when the person himself is engaged in some kind of process and he describes it, but i know, with the courage of an amateur i want to ask you this question, i understand correctly, russian rock

has two sources, this is english-language music, and this is russian literature and, more broadly, russian culture, that’s how much you can agree with this formulation of the question, how comfortable, well, if i may say so, the russian lesson is comfortable with these two parents, well, regarding english-speaking, alexey, i think, will tell you great now, maybe he can say it better, including in english, richer experience, that’s all... the russian has a hand, this is not, not a russian phenomenon, you know, of course, the phenomenon itself is not russian, but let’s say, i was lucky enough to be friends with such a person like frank zapa, an absolutely brilliant musician, here he is - he loved russian music enormously, for him storinsky was, it ’s something there, yes, and he constantly reminded us of this, this is... the second half of the 16th century , composers of those who were called a mighty

bunch, especially musorovsky, who in fact, probably, strovenskaya was the most inspired by anyone, in fact, even while in the united states, i suddenly found out that the most played composer in the world is chikovsky, i didn’t know before that, i was so surprised, so i asked my friend, who is in second place, she studied classical music, she says, in second place is storinsky, in third is rakhmanov, this is a playlist of classical radio stations in america, you know, yes, that’s why, despite the fact that we took a lot from... from in english-language rock, this of course, a colossal school, colossal material in its own way, a dove of the depths, they took a lot from our russian music , that’s why it’s all for a reason, it’s the cycle of water in nature, but this is really what you remember, our beloved marina andreevna zhurinskaya wrote about

rock when it was a phenomenon of world culture, but in my opinion, it was a natural, next stage, so to speak, in general in the development of culture. just like literature, well, you can call it, who, so to speak, adopted it from whom to a greater extent degree, this is also such a complex process, it continues to some extent , and well, as for modern music, we can say that everything there has been very much reduced due to the influx of various stylistics, sub-stylistics, that is, this is a branch that is already. .. simply disappears into subtle music that is so specific that they, so to speak, gradually dissolve themselves in the air, because if you look at the architecture of the structure of a tree, yes, when it first emerges into such powerful branches, then into

twigs, into a leaf, on the sheets, here actually the structure is the same, i will definitely ask about this, again with the arrogance of an amateur, but i want to return to the topic of literature, because in my understanding, russian rock is... of course, uh, inherits russian literature. i was listening to you just now, you said about literature, i remembered that dostoevsky told us about the responsiveness of russian literature, and in pushkin’s famous speech, that this is the genius of pushkin, that he could be, in contrast to what’s interesting, nothing coming up with, if, this theme of the responsiveness of russian literature, it is preserved in russian rock, we can say that russian rock is responsive , but i think so, yes, because we are so... closely connected in general with the canons of literature that in my opinion, i don’t know where else, so the text is developed, for example, in combination with music, but for us this is definitely a very important thing, and you will agree that

it seems to me that this is such a slightly clichéd perception that russian rock is more text or is it based on text , and the western one is on music, so i just heard... what is this there is an overly simplified perception, especially in the west, yes, few people know that the english language has more than 100 thousand words more than russian, yes, shakespeare’s word is more than pushkin’s dictionary, so, but russian rock is without words are nowhere, just, you know, if there is no word, then there is no russian rock, but in english rock, the word also meant a lot, there it was conceptual and cult performers and those who used... the word masterful were groups like pink floyd, the same ledzen, for example, i was a child, i did not distinguish ledzen from depel, i liked both of them, but being already living like this, in the united states, i suddenly discovered that for a long time some gigantic giants, and depipol is such a

strong pop-rock band, and that’s when they came the nineties, then such a movement as alternative music appeared, and there it was already impossible without words. there everyone paid attention to the word, although there, too , curt cabane, he lived the words and it was not clear what he was saying, but nevertheless deciphered it, everyone understood that he was trying to talk about something important say, but in our country, uh, the musical part probably suffered more often, in general in our country , precisely from the point of view of rock, here - at first, when there was the soviet union, everything was generally prohibited, i just personally went through it, and then people just didn’t began to deepen greatly, so, probably, the russian lesson has a great future, when , uh, they begin to analyze the entire past, very seriously, precisely from the point of view of russian music, then they will shovel all the advantages then

they will be able to do something ingenious, that’s what i want here you have - what is the name from this place in more detail, we once talked about this topic, and then this thought stuck with me, including about its non-obviousness, yes, you said, the best of russian rock is ahead, and if it will be possible to combine this with the depth of dostoevsky , yes, then this will be what we are all waiting for, yes, consistency, that’s how much , well, again, as they say, i don’t want to offend anyone, but in my understanding, but dostoevsky - this is symphonic music, in any case, not necessarily, that pink floyd is such a stripped-down dostoevsky, yes, very fragmented , so they tried, so to speak, to dig into such philistinism, and well, in fact, they achieved a certain effect, of course, dostoevsky is millions of times broader, i really liked the statement, i forgot his name is... an actor who received five or six amys , it’s like in tv series, this is such an oscar, so he came to orthodoxy, he says, i

discovered dostoevsky, i often have to play scary people, so some scoundrels, so i suddenly realized that dostoevsky wrote about terrible things from a position of light, uh-huh, this is very difficult, this is very difficult, and this is a huge strength, for rock music it’s just a colossal field of activity. do you agree that everything is still ahead at the russian horn? theoretically this is possible, but the way events are developing, i reacted diplomatically, no , but i’m just watching how music, uh, modern, is developing, it’s quite possible that at some level it will take on a slightly completely different leap, it will happen, another round and... this will be a different level of quality. but don’t you think that this is still too binding, specifically for

rock music, such a proposal, or something , or am i wrong, here, in my opinion, this is a good level that allows a person not only to develop , but even to improve in some sense, we are talking about the spirit, and so to speak, the form of the word, a certain aesthetics of some kind, about how the thought itself is formed, yes, how deep it all is, really, in relation to something, yes what is happening now, with with him gogol, and pushkin, ilet tolstoy, in spite of everything, with goggol it’s even somehow easier for me, i can’t explain it, but just like that intuitively, somehow it doesn’t arise for me, nothing for me stands out, gogol rock, somehow i’m all this. gogol is a punk, in general, in my opinion, he has such a specific language, especially from the current

point of view, and why? when i read , for example, classics, yes, literary ones, i notice how rich the language is, how everything is carefully structured there, how everything is formulated there, in gogol he has a very a peculiar language, punk among the classics, vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, me... vladimir legoyda we are talking about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon. i know, there’s something else i want to talk to you about, about my personal journey , here’s the first question: this is what you think, this is the spiritual quest that we obviously see in the life path of musicians in their work, this is connected to a greater extent with the generation, because this is a time of search, but the end of the eighties, the beginning of the nineties, and not only musicians went through this path, or after all... this is what you do, this

left its mark, this is more the reason, or it’s both, that’s what you think, it seems to me that sooner or later in the life of every person there comes a moment when, well, he begins to think more about what is happening in his life, how this happens, you begin to understand, so to speak, well, seeing over many years how this world... develops , you begin to ask certain questions and in general, to be honest, for me the path of human attention is something that we notice more and more over the years, how alarming the world is, if you take, for example, childhood and school, yes, i didn’t care much about what was happening around me, except for the fact that in the international panorama one could see how... some short excerpts of prose , but i can say that this

didn’t concern me at all, not only because it wasn’t interesting to me , it was as if i was protected by some kind of force, some kind of cover, you know, a conventional cap, so mystical, and when you begin to think about how to protect yourself, so to speak, so as not to run out, in this world, i rage. of course, you wonder how this can be achieved, and in fact, this is the path to god, but the most difficult thing is when you understand that yes , there is a way out, there is salvation, this is love, this is the path to god, yes, how said anthony of sorozhsky, and at the last judgment, it will become clear to us that the only thing that was...’ but in this life is love, and so, when you realize at this moment that you need to go to god, i ’m not even talking about that to improve

to the extent that jesus said. sermons, like our heavenly father, yes, to be perfect, at this moment, uh, other things terrify you, that you need to uproot this whole field, and this is a very painful process, uprooting stumps and roots, it’s not like that, like that , crashed a little, very difficult, labor-intensive and painful, and after that you can sleep there, so to speak, this soil and sow it, but if i understand you correctly, you think that this is still related to age, with generation, and not rather than with what you were doing, i thought so until some time, until i was faced with the fact that i saw young people who in our time, maybe even more difficult in some sense, because

it’s more intense, more tousled, yes, because passions are directly at surfaces. so at that moment when i saw these young people, i joked a little in my theory , this has nothing to do with age, well, it ’s good when we, so to speak, can be shaken in theory, alexey nikarov, what do you think , here i am right now about personal search, it had more to do with time, what was in the air, in general , or with what you were doing, like you , i think that god determines everyone’s own path, leads along this path, because when i i came to faith when, probably, i had a second such important milestone, it was a meeting with a saint, with father nikolai guryan, well, with the great elder, so i had many questions, but one of them, since i had heard a lot about music, about

fate and other things, precisely in the bowels of the church, so i went up to the priest, and i said, father, my craft would be like it or not , so he smiled, said whatever, whatever, so he knew that i had positive and negative experiences, once upon a time, that’s when parkogo appeared, and we made different works, somewhere we tried to go deeper, something we had was just straight up rock-rock, but it’s true that along the way we began to change very much and strongly, changed a lot, changed until the very end, until the group that means it functioned fully, so to speak... we changed all the time, that’s when the first album came out, then there was no internet and letters poured in from all over the world, i saw these bags, bags, bags, bags piled up, it was just one day, and they told me, read this pile of letters, so i started reading the letters were from all over the world, and in almost all the letters it was written like this, it was about just one song, thanks to you

, this song helped me not commit suicide, this was my first experience, although i did not change then rokol remained, i still flew like a meteor, for a long time, a few more years, here we go, and later there was a negative experience, and this is all part of the journey , that’s why i was just embarrassed and i needed to ask this question, and i asked, but look, this is a question, it’s even, here we are today they remembered gogol, maybe not by chance, yes, after all, gogol without any fate from ... he spoke creativity, i don’t know if god still wants it, it’s not at all a fact that he answered it, or it ’s definitely not a fact that he answered just like you, yes, rather, he said, my craft, my creativity is nothing needed before, i now

i’m deliberately emphasizing, yes, that is, this conflict is passing through for you , maybe still, but it exists, yes, it exists, and i think it will somehow develop, alexey just talked about these things, and i remembered the famous painting by bosch, a triptych called the garden of earthly delights, and you see, the 14th-15th centuries were strict times, then playing music was already considered... a sinful thing, and although it was, in general, according to our by standards, completely harmless things, just playing musical instruments, there notes are also depicted, so it seems to me that in this case this is a measure that a person chooses for himself, of course, that’s as much as he wants, and if you really want

this to be desired, you just need to cut off in yourself... any blasphemy, any heresy, any foul language, you just need to cleanse yourself. everyone did this, including revolutionaries. but i don’t think that gogol didn’t understand this, he understood, of course, but why did he have such a solution there then, i don’t want to go into biographical details now, but he, well, this is a sine wave, this is typical, this is human nature, and i think that maybe there was no such person next to him, or he was not looking for such a person, although we used to often go to optina putin and lived in a monastery even, now there women are not allowed in, but before, before they were allowed in, and we went to night services, they gave me a memorial to read, uh , those who came there, and there was gogol,

there was dostoevsky, they got there, they got there, they were in the skid came in, unlike the fat one, yes, yes, i think maybe he didn't ask the most important question is for some of these elders, but regarding your own... creativity , perhaps everything would be different, i’m just saying, swearing is such a terrible thing, yes, yes, i just why i want to come back to you, i was asking about generations or whether it’s related to creativity, because that’s how it seems to me, god knows, maybe i ’m being deceived, but it seems to me that this is my path, for example, it’s quite standard, that is, this at the end of school, this is russian literature, this is dostoevsky, like you for the first time there you begin to think, then it’s just at the end of the eighties that they begin to publish russian philosophers whom we did not know, and you begin to read about the gospel, about the church, there is the gospel itself, and then at some point, in my life , he was just a man, we taught, by the way, from

the conservatory, gimon taught us the history of music, and he was generally casual, he told us about the music of ancient india or something, there may be latin america there, that pinazli, chilitli , this is all history, musical instruments, i still remember the name, and we asked him about something, the word church came up, he was fasting, now i understand that he himself was such an absolute neophyte, he says, well i think that of course you don’t eat white bread there, but black bread there, and it was n’t what he said, yes, that it was such an unofficial twist, yes, it was that he said that, well, how what's the point of reading if you 're not there, if you don't live in this house, here it is, and this path, it seems to me, just like me i say, the path of such university boys, you probably had it somewhere else, it was all the same or similar, sometimes we had to... push off, so to understand that there is such a bottom, so, probably, after all, there is a different path, somewhat, well, this is a strong phrase, i think that i

came to church quite late in general, because it was my fate that i lived for 15 years in krasnoyarsk, where i was born, and i will honestly say, i then tried... to remember at least one church, i didn’t remember it, purely physically, i’m just not on my way met a church, which means either i didn’t see it, that is, my perception was so dulled, yes, or they really weren’t there, which is possible, because the city is quite new, plus, so to speak, the consequences of the bolshevik destruction, but still less so, i came after college, after school , even after working as a specialist, as an architect, and for a long time i

perceived music only as an amateur activity, as actual entertainment for myself. alexey nikolavich, that’s not me your phrase says that we had to go to hell, this is how you live now with these memories, what do they know in your life today? you are trying to forget, no, they can’t forget, i think you need to remember, you need to remember, so to speak, not to be forgotten, this is all for a reason, it’s all part of the path, and the thief had to be crucified next to christ in order understand who is hanging on the cross next to him and shout to him , lord, into your kingdom, when will you come in the kingdom? this is also scary way, he killed people, he definitely visited hell before that, that time, he was the first to

enter heaven, today we gathered our thoughts about russian rock, as a cultural phenomenon, vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, i’m vladimir league, and we continue, i want to return a little bit to the search for generations, because among people, yes, that means in different spheres of culture, so... at the same time, when we were looking, we were all looking, yes, in the cinema there were these searches, now we have a film about balabanov coming out, slava had an anniversary, that’s all gathered at my house. they gave an interview, quietly, hello, hello, but here they are celebrating, no, no, glory, what are you talking about, i said, very top left, oh, sorry, you have, a person, that means experience, yes, interaction with him , that’s how, as you remember it, now, firstly, alexey and i knew each other for a long time.

starting from his college days, then he moved to st. petersburg, then i ended up there, yes, she read the world like a novel, i once gathered a crowd of extras in a cafe, a huge cafe, a crowd of extras, only because the glory of the butus would be there play a song, but it was a feature film, it turned out for free, everything is absolutely , in the park without a dog, it can become too expensive for you , your mother teaches you by heart, the morgue phone number when she is not there, at home for too long, all this time, so to speak, we watched each other, in the sense that he was building a cinematic career, and all

this was happening before my eyes, he naturally, so to speak, watched what was happening with us, at a certain stage already with me , thoughts arose, well, somehow, what do we need to help each other, so to speak, just on this path, yes, on the path to god, i may not be a very good, so to speak, assistant in this sense from the point of view of eloquence, to pronounce the necessary... words, yes , but one way or another, in general, i tried to talk with alexey on this topic, but sometimes he had a categorical attitude for a long time, because he was very passionate about cinema, for him it was a whole world in which he lived and ruled , everything else had, so to speak, applied significance to this, as it seemed to me, but as you can see, at the end, so to speak, of his path

, professionally and humanly speaking, he still came to this topic, i tried for a very long time to persuade him to film some kind of fairy tale or something like that , well, relatively speaking, yes, i even had options for writing different stories for synopses, and every time he told me that i’m not ready yet, i ’m not mentally ready for this, i want to, but i’m not ready, but the result is this the last film is actually such a parable ; by and large, all this already happens there in this abandoned bell tower and the film itself, the name of the film and the essence of this story, what i also want, everyone wants, in the end, and i , like a fool, the cross almost fell, it’s heavy wooden, a huge cross, so i’m waiting... for me

someone will support me, because i could fall, and a crowd of people is following me, and in general i somehow passed, precisely because of that, i could have fallen and that’s it, but because of the people who followed me , here’s a strange story, yes, i know, it connects with me, you said correctly, how to connect this with what we’re talking about, that’s why for me russian rock continuation, russian literature. yes, it will inherit russian literature, because russian literature is what gives us the space of meaning and language, yes, we speak with these images, we remember these heroes, and the same russian rock, and here are your songs, they enter our lives , it’s interesting that soviet cinema was the cinema of our language, yes , post-soviet, as far as i am concerned, maybe many will not agree with me, but by and large, these are the films brother, brother two, these are the ones that entered the language, it seems to me that this also comes together here, but... searches, some kind of internal and well

, the result, yes, when something made by a person becomes part of the language, of course, yes, but i also wanted to add that in addition literature, after all, symphonic music is of great importance, i have been actively interested in this in recent years, and i can say that there is a lot of such... pressure in academic music, in symphonic music, which sweeps away even worse than rock music . music, you know, for its time it was a cool lesson, just yes, time forward. this just a concrete example of the fact that this is a bulldozer that you can’t fight against, just look, we said about the bright future of russian rock , we said about symphonic music, but young people, let’s be honest, don’t listen, not all of them,

young people are different , yes, any generalization is unfair to someone, but still, today they don’t listen to rock, as they did, once upon a time, yes, some time ago. and so i may be sharpening, yes, well, intentionally, but i don’t see continuity with modern russian music great russian literature, with great russian culture with russian rock, i don’t see it there, am i wrong? at one time such a terrible word of music appeared, it appeared in the nineties, the word format, then everything began to be divided, because before that somehow everything was together, so if you take there, let’s say, there are the seventies, there is pop music and some kind of disc, it was all together, and then it began to be divided into formats, and then trends appeared, so rap appeared for a reason, you don’t need to know anything special, you don’t need to study and music especially there, make yourself these beats, so to speak, there, and then continue to say

what comes to mind, this is it, and it is also supported by the industry, it is by itself, it would not have lasted long, this is also a stage that says that everything must begin, so to speak, to develop in a new circle, and this will not go anywhere, and over time, it will be those seeds that are the most tenacious that will sprout, that is, the more interesting ones, which have some meaning behind them, but still music one way or another, yes at the core, as a manifestation of culture, literature, but this connection is this symbiosis , people will always return to them, because this is actually folk art, you are amazingly diplomatic today, there is a connection in modern russian, i don’t know what it ’s called, there is a connection with great russian literature, do you see it, or do you just hope that there are more opportunities

for literary manifestation there than in rock , because there you need something, something to broadcast constantly, and there are many, there are many opportunities, yes, yes, yes, it's another matter how it is is used, perhaps, you and i today, of course, we had so much theological and cultural, musicological, i’m not afraid of the word dimension, but i know, in conclusion, what i would like to ask you about, since we talked a lot today about russian literature, if only you had to give some advice to our contemporaries, foreigners. get acquainted with russian literature, well, through some work or work, i won’t say there , name three there, yes, well, that’s the first thing that comes to mind, lie on your heart, whatever you advised first of all, i am always ready to easily name pushkin

, he has both poetry and prose, yes, this is one circumstance, the second circumstance is that in poetry he achieved such... that, which are already called fairy tales, yes in verse, but actually, in general, pushkin, our everything, yes, yes, yes, alexey nikolavich, what would you advise, well , i would probably lash out at dostoevsky, of course, but that’s not everyone’s cup of tea, in the teeth, yes, this is a man who discovered for himself, said that he writes about terrible things with position of the world, not everyone can probably understand this, but nevertheless, i said in some interviews that i just had such friends who, they are such cult musicians, there and still there they are cult musicians in the west, now we have been to such very interesting gatherings, where you come to such a house, there are people walking