[000:00:00;00] we have something like that you are just some kind of supermen, who , well, that is, they certainly never get sick, that is, olympic champions, in sports, well, yes, in all sports, well, you can just hit a meteorite like that with your hand to stop the one flying to the ground, and once again it’s in the other direction, it’s no longer interesting, direct it in the other direction, that is, it humanized the cosmos more. humanized the image of an astronaut and many people just understood, but i’m also a person, i can also be an astronaut, they’re just like me, it’s great that they’re like that, they’re just like me, that’s it’s important, yes or no, well, everyone understands that well, you and yulia, you’re not professionals, you flew, there are people who don’t believe and ask me again, they’ve definitely been in space, a lot, listen, well, these are the ones those who think that the earth is flat and st. petersburg was dug up, they built it, i heard such theories too, yes, well, that is, your feeling, i ask

you to return to this, you still felt now yourself and what is called closer to people , people recognize you, people ask, how are you doing there, that is, they don’t say anything anymore, so you have to, well, they invite you to screenings films, at first they were in cinemas, then some private companies take them, invite them, well, tell us how you filmed it, how it was for real, i remember that even when we watched it for the first time, at the pre-show, it turned out in the kremlin, that is, we were with the whole family, that is, all of us. other cosmonauts, i saw that i was telling my family what the film was about, that is, even there my wife and children knew well what the film was about, they knew me, and you, and oleg well, but at the same time i saw that at some moments they are worried, they even have there are tears, that is, this is how it was all filmed, that is, even okay, i didn’t shed a tear there, but at least, i remember exactly when the centrifuge was filmed, and this one is rotating, this is the sound of it, we

we don’t always sit, i sit like this, i think, wow, what a colossus, an american on sakhalin took a photograph of a red currant bush, i ’ve never seen caviar growing on bushes before, our guy found something to answer, he says, now is such a period , the bushes do not spawn, no matter where i am, in what country, if our tourists see me, like this, they without hello, without this they speak greek, they are stupid, premiere, mikhail zadornov, all life, tomorrow on the first. we continue our space stories podcast and with me today are the heroes of russia, cosmonauts, oleg navitsky and anton shkaplerov. how do you respond to people who say it shouldn't have been done, it's a waste of time, money, everything? two arguments, i immediately tell them that before this no one knew what we were doing and what

the iss was and where we were flying now. everyone who looked, they imagine what a station is, what a ship is, what work is cosmonaut, and most importantly, this is what we have already touched upon, that after watching the film, i ask, well, which of the young guys wants to become astronauts, there is generally a forest there, a forest of hands, that is, before, when there is a conversation with well at school there , well, with young people, you ask, well, i told them what we do, well , in words, well, i showed some video, well, a few of them will raise their hands, well, i probably will, but now it’s simple. everyone says, we’ve already seen it twice , my little one has told me, twice already, brought the whole family together three times, we rewatched it, because that the first time we watched, we didn’t remember everything, we didn’t understand everything, now we’re already the third time, these are children, what’s your argument, oh, my argument is probably very simple, i also said when the premiere was, what indeed, we simply proved that it is possible to prepare a person very quickly for a flight into space, this is necessary, in the same way it is possible, well, probably, it’s not such a word, but

at least prepare. not a professional, as in terms of the astronaut, that he worked as an actor, that is, we threw in this title a challenge for the kinetograph and a challenge for cosmonautics, that is, we somehow combined all this together so competently, i didn’t even expect it myself, it turned out so naturally, because when petya made those incisions there, everything was on me, yes, i have a youngest daughter, and i came with the eldest, with the youngest, she already came, dad, you were in pain, i said yes, but don’t worry, this is a movie, and the child felt it, you know, that is, i understand that a... the value of a child, this is not an adult, she sees how real it is, yes, you won’t deceive him, you won’t be able to to deceive, well, you know, some people who say that it was not necessary to do all that, you tell them that, yes, these are the arguments, of course, like, i think these are not the worst arguments, no, no , i’m just repeating that again we are the first, we are the first, we were the first to make a film, because the americans wanted to be the first to do it, yes, we are

the first again, this is an important fact. well , i mean that you feel that it was not in vain, and you are not in vain, the most important thing is that there are only positive memories, yes, although well we all know very well that there were many different opinions, but before the flight. it is necessary, it is not necessary, that is, whether it is worth throwing someone out of the cage or not, if you take a detachment there, and when all this happened, you see the reaction of people, their relationships, well, there was practically not a single one of my acquaintances who would say , guys, the film was not very good, it didn’t look good, everyone said it was great, you just asked us , after the film, now you are like an astronaut, and a person who has covered 100 km, you are an astronaut, well, this is according to the classics, not just the director. and so on, you are asked these questions that cosmonauts ask us all the time, for example, have you seen a ufo? this is how the earth is flat, as they ask a non-director, exactly as they ask, cosmona, well, first of all, i want

to say that you see, you called me an astronaut and i am very pleased, klim, don’t cry, don’t, everything is fine, i won’t, yes, i’ll restrain myself, but i’m very pleased with it, i really feel very proud that... i can call myself an astronaut, although of course i’m not an astronaut like you, professional, who is an astronaut pilot, and now an astronaut, a director, you have to hold such a full-time position in the detachment , here is a badge, and a separate badge, a movie camera, a movie camera and in a helmet, this warms my soul and i am very pleased that i can be called that, thank you in general to this project, naturally, and to you, for helping me become this astronaut, because without you, i certainly wouldn’t have become one, without people like you... well, listen, i want an important important point, this is me, that is, this is of course a compliment who is from the heart and he

important and without you this would not have happened and thanks to such cool commanders , cosmonauts and heroes like you, in addition to this film , it seems to me that our russian cosmonautics rests on you, well, on you in space... and for me in space, you can even lead some kind of course, i can teach, i don’t know how the course is, but if someone needs it, i can definitely give a master class, it’s true, as long as you see, there is no line of directors who are preparing to fly into space, well, well, they’re just afraid, well, listen , it may be, but they are afraid, well, as soon as one of them stops being afraid, i i’ll talk to him, i’ll talk to him, but obviously you won’t give up your turn, right? i want to fly again, you always don’t know, you’re joking, you’re not joking, you say, if we go to the moon, then we’ll definitely fly, we’ll film, by the way, it’s 3 days there , there, back, you can film a whole series, yes, well, it’s ok, 3.5 days, in general we can withstand it, and yes, we just need now for

ours to work out the landing on the moon a little better, and i’m ready, we have the first man in space, like loon slitad, the first a man who went into outer space, and you are our first the director who flew into space, yes, well, uh, he went down in history , he went down in history, we need to make a separate bulletin, i’m glad that you accept me, it’s a pity that you didn’t agree, after all, but all the time at all levels asked if i can go into outer space, everyone is already fed up with this question, everyone is told, don’t go out, this has been in the making for years , it’s dangerous, it’s hard, but it’s still mandatory to put it somewhere, but you can still put it in open space watch, many don’t believe that the film will happen at all, it has already happened, why didn’t the spacewalk take place, i really think that this is a big omission, that i don’t... there is a challenge, but there is a way out, a way out, that is, everything is still ahead, you know, another selection, that is, for the sake of why do you need to fly again, yes, yes, yes, if again, i get this call, then i won’t think for a long time again, launch some

thought so that in a roundabout way, passing through certain minds of certain people, it returns with a positive decision, yes i ’ll launch it, i’ll already launch it, that’s it, well that means everything it will come true, space, i still have... many people ask, but it’s true that yulia peresilt went into outer space, that is, the whole thing, which takes almost 3 hours, say like me, that it didn’t go out for almost 3 hours, it’s all filmed there , well, from the moment it’s old, even the hike is creepy, but what we were filming, everyone understands that this is real filming, and when it comes at the end of the film, well, we’re like, until the tsup doesn’t see, let’s go, well, that’s it they think that going out is just going for a walk, then they stayed for 3 months or whatever it was two, something it got boring? that is, it is precisely this earthly part that we can now tell honestly, that yulia did not go into outer space, all this was filmed on the ground, and so open space, a spacewalk, is filmed on the ground

, this is a special helmet for computer graphics with with such pins as a hedgehog, yes, which then turns into a space suit for going into outer space. we filmed sallyut 7 using this technology and, in fact , using this technology we filmed all the films in which it was shown. open space, yes, i understand now, having gone through all this and many of your spacewalks, i understand that even if i had been released into outer space, i still of course would not have filmed it there, that is, at most i i could have filmed it there, it’s from a gopro camera, so to speak, some movement, of course, to stage some shots, take two , i’ll return it back to stage it, of course, this will be required, i don’t know how

much time , so it would be roscosmos, i need to go into outer space, wait for me, yes, there is something that i , let’s see, yes, come on, it’s just very funny, i couldn’t help but show, by the way, in this guise, it’s so hard to find a chest. spirals, it seemed to me even harder than in a real spacewalk, of course, harder , they will also turn you over, this is gravity, blood to your head, i think everything on earth resists showing space, because gravity is felt and it’s visible, your face is changing, because it’s preventing you from taking it off, why did you get false cheeks, well so that it probably fits correctly, because on the ground your cheeks are down, and here we’re not going to talk about the mask, but... this video, when they show everyone there, well, how

this mask was made, when they then take it off again, in they inserted these tubes into your nose, they flooded you, yes, yes, yes, fantômas, again the other side, they changed, that is, everyone thinks that this is the time and the film turned out well, the clock, again, not only yours, how many people are above you works to make it all work out, and of course, these are complete professionals in their field, who know exactly every hair on your face, every ... wrinkle, that is, they know exactly everything, so that then every hair, as they stick it in, you understand that it was in its place, everything corresponded, because on the big screen every molecule your face is visible, well, do you remember the return from space, yes, of course, i remember, yes, we believe that the return is the most dynamic, the most emotional moment of the entire flight, when you enter the dense layers you begin to burn, especially since you were like once near the porthole, you saw how the descent was burning... how it rotated, the g-forces began to affect you, then the most

gorgeous thing, this is when the soft landing engines fire, this one hits the ground, the most luxurious thing is when the parachute opens first, yes, for some reason, the landing raised more questions in me, out of some nervous feelings, than the start, well, firstly, it was due to the fact that the ship overturned the station the day before and, well, it didn’t turn over, it turned over a little, i have footage from an inverted porthole, where. all on the contrary, well, due to this, if you remember, we were predicted to have a ballistic descent, well, one of the possibilities was, it always maintains a ballistic descent, well, this is when acceleration, 15 or landing, not a standard landing, but in the place where where they are waiting for you , on the contrary, where they are not waiting, you will fly 400-600 km to the side, they know the landing place, they wouldn’t know, they know, they know, but not the main forces. not that you will land in disadvantaged areas

of rio, even though rio would be nice, no, well, i know what this is approximately, after all they know where they are waiting for you, but this is a forced, some kind of accelerated descent, with a huge overload, i knew this, of course, i thought that, uh, that it would be like this, and i remember that these 2.5 hours before we started to enter the atmosphere, and you said that everything was normal, we once 2 s2, i remember yulia and i were sitting and thinking that now there will be these 15g. so when it all started, i already understood that these 4 and a half would happen, i was already burned out by fire, it didn’t matter anymore, so no, i was worried do you also remember, because of my height, my knee was very close to the dashboard, and i was afraid that with this impact on the ground, my knee might go into this panel, and if you remember, maybe no longer, but two minutes before landing, this one came unfastened... damn, this is the knee that holds the right knee, it was the right

knee that could have entered this panel and it, he got unfastened, i’m in these last few seconds, didn’t hold him for a minute, but i and i ended up there, we didn’t pin him down then in the end, in in the end, you almost know him , there are 30 seconds before landing, everything seems to be fine, but then listen, statistically, everyone who died, our cosmonauts died during landing, died, statistically died. at least i knew that, and when you know that, you’re already a little bit, when he started, he was only thinking about work and you don’t understand bad thoughts, when he returned he took off all the materials. no, look, if you remember, by the way, i didn’t dump all the materials, all those who thought then that we lost there some kind of flash drives, we need to explain to everyone that it’s a flash drive, and why, i think that in tv series , all flash drives, for some reason everyone counted, well, everyone thought, i won’t leave here until everyone is found, but there was just an overlay with

labeling of cargo, that is, they changed their status to urgent or others, and did not get it in the first place, that’s not even the point, that ’s not even the point, if you remember that a couple of days before our descent. i realized that i still had a fear that this material was all in one copy and it was flying with us, you i also copied everything at the station, then we remember, with petya and dubrrov we collected all these hard drives that were at the station, we copied them for 2 days, so even if something really happened to this material during landing, then a backup copy i was at a station that could be done through shss, quietly, well, lower everything to the ground and everything would be, so yes, this paranoia began for me too, it was present, well , this is professional paranoia, you are afraid of losing, your worst nightmare, remember, how it was, we were all waiting for these shots incredible excitement and trepidation, here is a historical moment, the hatch of the descent module is open, here they are our heroes, the first to evacuate

the ship’s commander, the hero of russia oleg novitsky, then the director klim shipenko, then the actress yulia peresilt, already. from the first seconds, of course, everyone endured the flight well, the mood was fighting, and no overloads and cosmic speeds could break the spirit and sense of humor of the astronauts, it’s like a roller coaster, said klin shipenko about the descent from orbit. in general, do you remember, after the blow, everything calmed down, let it go device, what are your first thoughts? oh, listen, i would be incredibly glad that the knees are in place, everything, everything, really worked out, the blow , by the way, was not what i... i thought it would be, because no matter how they scared us with this blow, they said there from the second floor to the back, i think, from the second floor it somehow hurts the back, it’s generally hard, yes, yes, yes, but in the end no, it turned out that somehow we really you you, you planted it softly, and then this feeling, when

the earth’s gravity began to squeeze you, i remember that moving into your middle seat was, well, very difficult, that is, it was as if i had already become accustomed to being weightless, i had lifted some incredible weight, although... that is, it was in my head that it was like this feeling of yours, this one some kind of gyroscope, you lost this lightness that you had for 12 days, and again you plunged into oh, on the contrary , into gravity, it was very strange that i could not just climb over, roll, i don’t know even, how to say, in this central chair so that they could pull me out, but the doctors then said that it was good, that i succeeded, because sometimes people fail to climb over, it was of course a very strange feeling, well, then. already, here are the shots, in principle i’m already somehow normal, well, someone met you, your relatives and friends, no, they didn’t let your relatives or close ones in, they didn’t meet anyone’s relatives, neither mine, nor yulia, nor yours, landings there was no one landing, no one was there except the film crew, and do you remember there was such a hitch that oleg had to say some words, when vladimir mashkov approached, and oleg

said, what words don’t i have, no one actually said a word, nothing, well, it was quickly explained later, by the way, i like this moment so much, it ’s so kind of humorous, so where are the flowers, so you didn’t die, but it was cool, it was cool, there was a feeling that this it was some kind of travel adventure, which, which may only happen again in a dream, but may also happen in reality, well, in general, it was some kind of sadness, melancholy, so i was already present, well, this is this, this has already arrived rather, even on the plane, when we were leaving, at that moment i i was thinking about how to film it all, is everything working, the film crew, the cameras, the sound, it was all there, it was all a film set right there, that’s what i was thinking about and they didn’t give me a monitor - i didn’t have one, so then my uh the trusted director of the second unit , konstantin lvovich, filmed this scene and i just sat on the sidelines, so to speak, and watched

it all happen. we continue our space stories podcast and with me today are the heroes of russia, the cosmonaut. anton shkaplerov, well, in general, your worldview has changed, yes, what exactly has changed? listen, well, this is some kind of mental, internal state, you know, even say that, i periodically try to explain it to myself in some words, and it is probably the closest to these words - this is some kind of peace of mind, some kind of confidence in myself, as a person, that my body could withstand it, that i was able to do this, probably, that’s it... such a sense of the world, i’m talking now besides, of course, i saw the earth from space, of course, i saw how beautiful it is , this is all, that is , important sensations, important impressions that they also live in me now, and i carry them with me. it’s as if already, and for some reason you managed to miss the earthly things during the flight, just the bathhouse and

the normal toilet to your liking. i also always liked that very first stream of water falling on you , it’s like, listen, well, i see, that’s why i’m not shaved that it takes so long to shave and is so inconvenient and i washed, of course i washed, but on the ground i wash more often, well, simply because i had to spend so much valuable time on it every damn time and i really didn’t want to it’s all a waste of so much time, so i don’t miss these processes, but i miss everything else very much, i’m even offended that it’s as if i remember this preparation and even all these, well, not all, but i remember a lot of air tours, i remember all these things in the ship, you know, this feeling that i, well, i learned a little, well, not to manage, of course, not to manage, but as if i had acquired the skill, well, to live, to work.

i spent time acquiring this skill, well, that is, i can do it, and well, in general, i flew as an astronaut, albeit such a, well cosmonaut, well, somehow, damn it, well, we need to somehow continue to use this, our whole life is ahead , the whole team, yes, yes, yes, well, listen, i, i, i’m 40 now, it says only 40, yes, only 40 for an astronaut for his flights, also at 40, yes, i know for an astronaut it’s just this very childhood, so to speak , the dawn of the first flights, and therefore i still hope in this sense, but no, well, in general, in general, in general, i’m very glad that the project has actually come true, you actually arrived , we worked together, then we continue communicate on earth, well, i think it’s generally very cool, it’s wonderful for us, well, yulia and i were very lucky that this happened and i’m very glad that this is how it turned out, that everyone accepted us, well, everyone who, on whom something really depended

, who really participated in this process, and those who did not accept, well, to hell with them, there are very few of them , believe me, well, yes, and we generally don’t even pay attention to them, so in this sense, we very lucky, we are very lucky with you, i am very lucky with you, as actors, we were lucky with you, and as actors, again, if it weren’t for your professionalism, then we would hardly have succeeded, since you suggested some actions, you suggested yulia, well, too... like this - to play, to speak differently, i still remember this example, when you say, well , when you felt bad or not, when everything didn’t work out, to play such a, well, normal sick person, but i’ll at least give you it was bad once, i say, yes, i say, it was somehow bad, there, in my youth, on the third day after new year, so remember this state, yes, yes, you see, acting is a little like this, you, you, you enter, you, when you are an adult and you are not an actor, it seems to you that yours knows, consciousness, it interferes with this... tomfoolery, as you think, why am i playing the fool here, i’m a serious cool dude, there’s a rumor that i’m going to be a fool here now, but i don’t always succeed, maybe you want to do something, but

in essence, you need to remember exactly this, it’s essentially like a child, you’re pretending, you’re playing something, well then there is essentially what you need, you need to get back into this, be able to get it out of a person, look, you never swore at us there, not without swearing, not without it, that is , you always found things like now you say normal words, that’s why ? we’re watching a film of people there, we already know, well, not all of them, i mean many many, but i know that people and mat-rewinds are especially for the director who doesn’t succeed, he can still launch it there with what’s in his hands, but you’re completely different, you could have conveyed to us, well , i’m on earth that’s how i behave, but if i was on the set, well, you see, some of my specifics are like this... the specifics really , yes, i would have been a different director who would have been more rude with you would not have worked well, he would

not have returned back, would not have gone wrong, then would not have returned, maybe with oleg definitely wouldn’t have worked well, that’s for sure, i can say that is, that is, there was a need for flexibility with you and diplomacy, of course, well , that’s what directing is all about, listen, every person has their own way, every actor is different, this person is different to him, you need to find an approach if you i can of course, swear, throw the radio, but will this help the matter, it’s not a fact that it will help, will you have time to catch him back, but you will have time, so i always, listen, there are some personal properties, but when we are here we do the job, and then, if we remain friends, this is already a bonus , well, we stayed, yes, but this is not our task, we did not gather for this, we did not gather to become friends, we gathered to make a film, then there is that he is so in the end

we went through it, well, you too first i was skeptical, i was difficult. with you it was necessary to massage you a little, that is, well, in the end we sort of figured it out and this is normal, so that you understand, there are many actors more difficult than you, professional actors with whom it was more difficult to find an approach, even in my work, than with you , so in this sense, i think, i agreed with everything so well, no, no, well, you know that you had some sort of protests at first, and so on, well, that is, that was also normal, that is i've been through more than that false actors, in general, i had to deal with you, no, i knew that we would figure it out in the end, after all, you are a responsible person, it’s like you won’t give up the task, you won’t abandon it, remember you said at the beginning when i i told you, oleg, what are you doing in this commanding voice, here speak like a human being, you say, damn it, i was taught there for 20 years to report that you now want me to join the army, but to leave a mark so that i i say, listen, now

you don’t need to report, you’re just being human tell me, do you see? they adapted you a little for the cinema, so we didn’t do the voices for you, right? yes, by the way, why? because working with voices, working with voices is a separate discipline , i could probably make you speak in your own voices, but we would have spent six months in voice acting with each of you, well, for that , special thanks to you, that for another six months we they didn’t get the voiceover, well, friends, unfortunately, unfortunately, time flies at cosmic speed, cosmic speed, it was a space stories podcast, it was with me today navitsky, anton shkaplerov, both heroes of russia, cosmonauts, and i hope that our conversation with them has enriched your space experience, which you already gained thanks to watching the film challenge, thank you,

this is a podcast of the creative industry and in the studio roman karmanov, elena kiper and we are talking today with the great soviet and russian writer sergei lukyanenko. and somewhere else they write a psychiatrist, but seriously, well , that’s right, yes, you are a former psychiatrist? exes, well , there are no exes, it’s always a big mystery how a writer gives birth to such massive, huge works, how is it all born, how are you, how do you bear it, do you compose it, or do they come on their own? for the most part they come on their own, i really don’t think that the profession of psychiatrist is very important here, of course there are many doctors among writers among science fiction writers , well, there are dentists and therapists and surgeons, this doesn’t interfere, but strictly speaking, medical education is probably it gives some kind of plus, like any education in general teaches you to look at the world systematically, and

since childhood i loved science fiction and for me... it’s as if my main favorite technique when i started writing was to introduce some unexpected fantastic assumption into the world, and after one single assumption appears, you can see what is happening to the world. is it possible to teach to be a science fiction writer? this is a difficult question, can you help me learn? you now have two projects at once, as far as i know, these are the stars over the donbass, one and another lukyanenko’s workshop, this is all about beginners, young, unknown writers, well , who or who thinks that he is a writer, in your opinion observations, this is how many people from those who were seen could actually become a writer in the future, well, the stars over donbass are still not exactly my project, i

am participating in it, it began 5 years ago as a project of cultural assistance to the residents of donbass , because people were completely cut off from the media environment, they could not see their favorite performers, writers, and we came , met with readers, simply showed that they had not been forgotten, and as for the literary workshop, here i really think this is a very important, big deal, a writer is a very lonely job , a writer for the most part sits at home, at the computer and writes: you know, how in the first years of soviet power writers were given the title of a lone artisan without a motor, so we are left like that, only we have a motor computer, and in order for a writer to develop creatively , he needs to communicate with colleagues, he needs to listen not only to the voices of readers, everything is clear there, there will be those who