[000:00:00;00] sir sergei petrovich nikanenko, and we are talking about sergei senin, interesting things that accompanied his life, we continue our conversation about the ring, here is ledia alekseevna, we are all sitting, drinking tea on the balcony, so she says, what can you imagine? , several years ago, well, when this museum was already being organized by anna snegina, news suddenly appeared that not far from konstantinov there was, so to speak , this ring, this ring was brought by my second cousin maria konotopova, yesenin’s second cousin, and said that in in the twenty-fourth year yesenin came to konstantinovo, went for a walk in the klepika, introduced himself in full glory, so to speak, and passed by the village of kobylinko, where maria lived, it turned out that maria was getting married, he did not have a gift, and he gave

it to her ring as a gift. and his generosity did not know how to end, but on the other hand, he could get rid of it, because it is impossible to wear it, it is impossible to show it, you see, yes, from the royal right hand, so we took a photograph of this ring, that is, it’s practically the first photograph, an amateur one, is not of very good quality, but it’s just on those pianos, which means that an examination was carried out there, naturally, there is the coat of arms of the royal family... and a crown, here is a royal, well, imperial master, but unfortunately, the emerald turned out to be chrysoprase, well, for us this is a ring, my god, in fact, this cabochon cut, round, it’s usually made for not very high-quality stones in order to hide cracks, so maybe, so to speak, they didn’t immediately determine, well,

it’s made from emerald or chorisoprase, but the examination determined confirmed everything, so... in fact, maria ivanovna lived a long life, so in ninety-three she came to the museum and offered this ring to the museum, and some collectors found out and offered money, but she said that she wanted it after all, the thing was in the museum , she sold it for some ridiculous money, as they told me then, two or three kilograms of sterlidi, the price, well, even now... more expensive, but in principle it would be enough for you and me, yes, rummage through your pockets, here, but time has still preserved technical progress, preserved for we have another such miracle, but besides, so to speak, some things that are convenient for us , whoever dared made recordings of his voice at the beginning of the 20th century, who dared to take photographs in the middle of the 19th century, yes, that’s it, but

strictly speaking, everything did make several recordings, you and i know, yes, my favorite recording is the monologue of the flapper from pugachev’s poem, and now we have the opportunity to listen to sergei alexandrovich’s reenactment, it makes a very strong impression, i warn viewers who haven’t heard, dashennaya, bloody mut, what are you? erd or healing to the rings, lead me, lead me to him, i want to see this man, i spent 3 days looking for your sweeper out of the darkness, the clouds of the north fell with a stone pile, to his right, he

didn’t even... along the paths, collanced, he was lucky with his eyes, the wind grabbed my hair like straw and made me faint with flails of rain, but a special heart will never get lost. it’s not easy to knock off this head of neck, orenburg roofing felt, a red-haired camel, the dissolved one was asking for milk, cold, clumsy, in them through the darkness, i pressed them like bread with an exhausted

eyelid, swipe, swipe! me to him, i i want to see this man, absolutely amazing, it’s so dissonant with his appearance, so angelic, yes, when i first heard his voice, even his voice, i had it, well, somehow i imagined something a little different, yes, absolutely amazing impression, i noticed about myself, maybe you will agree with me, that when you meet the greats, yes, that’s how you approach them, it’s very contagious, and you fall into some kind of addiction, then suddenly you notice that you already rolling up my sleeves, pulling up your pants, you work for your idol, tirelessly and cannot stop. what i mean is that you starred in the film, played yesenin, and after that, it means there was no end to your work, you decided to organize a museum, you did it, and you

are still doing all this, tirelessly, that is, this some kind of contagious disease, sergevich, tell me, so, on the old arbat , the museum is located in the house, in the apartment where he lived, with his first actual civilian, like us... his wife anna izryadnova, tell us a few words, uh, the apartment where i lived in a communal apartment, house 44, according to the simulation, in apartment 14, the whole house was given to the employees of sytin’s printing house, and there, in all the apartments and even in the twenty-first apartment, as i found out, yesenin’s friend lived , to whom he came, i was already familiar with these descendants, and when i arrived, he said, yes, this is the table at which yesenin sat with my dad, this is the table with me today, you immediately took it under

your arm of course, of course, how could i possibly step back from this table, i have it here, it in anna roman’s room there is a fair amount of this table, well, here it is, but i probably wouldn’t have taken it upon myself to create a museum , another idea spurred me on: that alexander pushkin lived in this courtyard at different times, andrei bely was born there, when he came to moscow, he stopped and lived for a long time in alexander blok, barbat 51, and vladimir solovyov, a mystic, was such a poet, and so i took it on. although they warned me, they say you will lose your health, but nothing will work out, i know i haven’t lost the funds and that’s all it turned out, in my opinion, i know that you brought us an interesting thing, an incredible precious

relic, this is a postcard, which is a copy, a photocopy of that postcard, because i gave a fake a year ago as a gift to the yeseninsky nature reserve. this is just a continuation of the village of konstantinovo, it’s one long, big village , from there, here’s shtempel, kuzminskaya, he sends it to the volunteer sasha, who worked in a magazine for everyone, it was called a magazine for everyone, that’s what’s written here, it’s written here, yes , dear sashka, i would flog you by your hair,

yes, you won’t get it, what are you doing, i promised to write a letter, but i sat down, it’s not good, brother, every day i go to meadows in the ravine , play rainfall, the other day they beat me , great, they almost broke my head, i put it together, you know, for the headman, he got a kickass, and... one of them sang and hummed it at night, the socialists scooped me up to indoctrinate me, i ’ll get them all anyway, i’ll catch them, they’ve smashed my little rain, well now hold on, there’s a recruit for me, and the men are afraid of us, dear sashka, write quickly, and bow to anna karlovna, anna karlovna was the editor of this magazine for everyone, try it on my detractors, they wouldn’t give us half a half for our poems, or they wouldn’t... they wouldn’t walk around and fight like heifers, here it’s very petty, petty, petty, attributed, i, of course, i really valued this postcard, but i don’t i could have kept it, because

it still has to go back to where it was from, so i not only don’t regret it, i’m very glad that it will now be preserved, after all, you also have family things there, like museum workers they say , that is... to the hero, i know that there is a razor, yes, yes, this is where it all began, this is ninety-fives, photograph, you see, this is a machine. there was also a soap dish, there was also the same thing, there were several items there, i found out, it was 95, that in st. petersburg there is a yasen razor, i don’t know anything else, how to find it, st. petersburg is not a small city, i ask the artists, says, i heard, i didn’t hear, no one heard, the artist says: you know, i think they showed it on tv, the circle is already

narrowing, i’m on st. petersburg television, and it says, yes, it happened, they showed who it is? says boris nikifovich came, yar kravchenko brought it, he showed this shaving device on tv, they gave me a phone number, i called boris, he says, but he has already passed away, he’s not there, whoever speaks, he says, it’s his son, stanislav boris. you kept the razor with which your dad performed on television, he says, yes, well, let's get acquainted, come, and i came with a performance, come to the performance, he watched the performance, the next day we met, and when i came to their house already to stanislav borisovich yar kravchenko, i found out that, firstly, anatoly yar was there kravchenko, people's artist of the ussr.

even, with whom nikolai alekseevich klyuev was very well acquainted, and in general this living room reminded me of a room that was dedicated to the poet klyuev, nikolai alekseevich, here he is depicted on the right, with whom he became friends, one of the first, at first there was a block , the block was handed over to gorodetsky, asein, and gorodetsky had already met klyuev, him. they even performed together, but then their paths quickly diverged, although klyuev believed that he raised yesenin, no, this is not true, yesenin, on his own individual path, like these, among the buddhists, like a rhinoceros, he walked his own path , did not replace anyone, from him, he, if you need to take something better, he, he took it and quite quickly, like a sponge absorbed, from these same imagist.

which he, in general, was not very single genius, single glory, such individuality, such, but it’s no coincidence that when he speaks today i have a ryazan guy, the poems are fresh, with vociferous, verbose, he put a full stop and wrote the most precious word for poet: language, everything, poet consisted of everyone, he had his own language, his own world, his own image... structure, if you like, that’s how gay alexandrovich yesenin was, well, in fact, as far as i understand, he gave this device to klyuev, and even at the age of twenty in the fourth year, when we met, we got to talking, saying that you were playing the fool, kolya, what a city of kitish, russia is bleeding, and you are still looking for some, you understand, there are completely different tasks there. you should be, what are you writing about, give up your

old brotherhood, shave your beard, handed it to him, and at the same time handed it to him, because this it was written in their newspaper, they published what i saw, that in this family the klyuevs are very respected, and even on the suitcase in which they packed this razor for me, yesenin klyuev, it is written on copper... not tablets, they, of course, metal plates, and also a very beautiful crystal glass, it was a gift to me, a woman brought a crystal glass, she came to my museum, she looked, i gave a tour, showed her everything, so she says, but i’m not coming to you empty-handed i came, you know, to my father ilya ilichneider presented this glass, such a box of cookies , well, laid in a cloth, she brought this

glass on a koto on the lid of this box of cookies pasted a sheet of paper and the hand of ilya ilvich schneider, the director of the school, asidora duncan, from twenty he writes there in the forty-ninth year, that the school existed for 28 years and even during the war, can you imagine, isidore and duncan drank from these glasses, no, he says, he writes there, he just describes it, he says, i brought this crystal glass from... i loved this glass and always drank from it, even for years and years. marked and that he was, and i knew ilya ilyich, schneider, he was already , this was the tenth year, he passed away in the seventy-eighth, so he gave this glass then to his friend, and his friend’s daughter brought it to me, with this and this description, and such a primitive question, but the amount of liquid

there, how much the glass holds, it looks very solid, it’s like this, but i measured it like this. 50 g, yes, in total, oh, modestly, you could drink vodka straight from this glass, i ’ll tell you even longer, seryozha has no hands, when he was getting ready to play, already on the eve of playing yesenin in a movie, he came to me and said, petrovich, let me drink this glass, everyone would have asked, yes he asked, from the museum, and he drank it, i took communion like that, this is what i like to do in the museum . you also have some wonderful, notable things that i would like to talk about and we will show it, this is a spoon, yes, a silver spoon , which idilia zinovievna gave to me, she was the widow of the great-grandson of lev nikolayevich

tolstoy, her nephew, her husband was the nephew of sofia andreevna, tolstoy’s granddaughter , here. she came to the museum and looked at it, then she decided to give away this silver spoon, this silverware from clear polyana, already a widowed wife, sofya andreevna was her grandson among the grandchildren of her granddaughters, she was the daughter of andrei lvovich, there was this spoon that fell, she could feed ilva nikolaevich jam and we continue the conversation about

sergei yesenin, our guest today is the people’s artist and i am the presenter... we move on to the next page of our story, just sofya andreevna is sergei’s last official wife alexandrovich, she tells such a story, well, not their acquaintance, and their, so to speak, some kind of developing relationship, this story, as far as i understand, she transferred to the literary museum, along with a certain thing that we will now talk about, she says that in june of '25 they walked with yesenin around moscow. well, who forgot, then in moscow there were a lot of wandering musicians, puppeteers, organ grinders, fortune tellers, well, sofya andreevna says that some fortune teller came up to them and pulled a parrot out of a hat for yesenin

a ring, a bronze ring, a small ring, and that means that this ring was in front of sergei alexandrovich, and this is like such a sign of two young people. people are walking, so a man, it means, a parrot pulls out a ring, we have photographs of this ring, and she told everyone about this when she was already donating this ring to the literary museum, i think she also wrote poetry about it, as you just called it organ organ, i remembered this poem, yes, yes, yes, and on september 18 yesenin married sophia tolstoy, maybe we’ll listen to a poem about parrot to read it, of course, because in fact, i immediately remembered this poem, when you said the word barrel organ, yes, there is a reference to just yes, yes, apparently, it’s been like this forever, by

the age of thirty i’ve gone crazy, the burnt rings are getting stronger and stronger , we keep in touch with life, dear, and the earth becomes dearer to me every day, that’s why my heart began to dream that i was burning with pink fire, if i burn, then i burn by burning, and it’s not for nothing that flowers get stuck, i took out the ring from the parrot, a sign that we would burn together, the gypsy put the ring on me, and took it off my hand, i i gave it to you, and now, when the barrel organ is sad, i can neither think nor be timid, a swampy feeling wanders in my head, there is drizzle and darkness in my heart.

maybe you gave it to someone else with a laugh, maybe, kissing until dawn, he asks you himself, like a funny, stupid poet, did you lead to sensual poetry, well, this wound will pass, it’s just bitter to see life and region, for the first time... such a hooligan was deceived by a damned parrot, thank you, well, this is a description of that moment in the life, life period of sergei aleksanovich, summer began autumn, you know, somehow he already felt that he had experienced so much, how much the road had been traveled, how many mistakes had been made, these were lines from his own, so... he already felt age, he was already wise, not by

years, but you know what i feel , i keep remembering that balcony from which we started, and there were many photographs shown of local residents, children, local village children, relatives, well, the people with whom i lived, spent my childhood yesenin, i had a feeling that he was an alien, some kind of there he was, as if thrown there from somewhere, because he was different from them in everything, they are good, they are good, but he is completely different, you always confirm, my thought, atasinkas will still give birth to oranges, and sometimes, you you know, this was noticed by the priest of sela konstantinov, the rector of the church of the kazan icon of the mother of god, father ivan, who said to yesenina’s mother tatyana fedorovna: “take care of the boy, and when...” 5 years old, he says: what is it, father ivan, he says, you know, i have

four villages in a row who don’t come to confession, i can’t compare your boy with anyone , he is amazing, absolutely in confession, this is where, it seems to me, esei’s poetry comes from, but incredibly confessional, he does not embellish himself, nor events, nor conflicts, the days of his life, he everything, you know, it’s incredibly true, alien, again there’s another saying, like an apple from an apple, i have a feeling that some kind of apple is from this apple tree, it flew somewhere into space, and then god fell, all about this apple writes in the confession of a hooligan, not everyone can sing, not everyone the apple is allowed to fall at the feet of others, not at its own relatives, but where?

has already rolled into world literature, so in fact it turns out, look at the picture, but he was a christian peasant, yes, he married a countess, received the empress’s ring, but died in december of the twenty-fifth year, a russian poet, you watched the podcast precious stories, i’m the host ekaterina varkan is visiting me , people's artist, sergei petrovich. together with sergei alexandrovich yesenin, russian poet. thank you. minor reflections on loneliness, hope and despair, unhappy love and experiences that will resonate in the soul. every person, these songs can be considered as an expression of the russian sad soul.

hello, today we have gathered with thoughts about russian rock, as a cultural phenomenon about the spiritual search of russian musicians. hello, dear friends, vyacheslav, alexey bilov, i’m very glad to see you, what i read is from a modern article dedicated to russian rock, yeah, i’d like... all this warm-up question, to ask you how much are you ready with this agree, i would say that my aspirations now to talk about happy love more than about unhappy love, but you are talking about now, in principle, if we can say, this is how the author of this article believes that a large segment rock compositions are an expression of the russian sad soul, alexey nikolaevich, yeah. well, in some ways he’s right , of course, because, because if you say that, so to speak, dig deeper and

say that sadness is about god, that is, it’s probably true. yes, well it's well known the state of the russian person, because he never imagines himself in some kind of ideal, so he is always sad that he has not achieved something that he could have achieved, at least looking at icons of saints, well, that is, this is sadness not about the imperfection of the world, but in one ’s inner state, the imperfection of the world is also probably in some way, of course, because this is also... he knows that there was once a paradise , everything was there, even the animals were talking there, and then here is the story twice, and what is the transition from this sadness to the joy that you just talked about, well, i would say that it happens with difficulty , because what alexey is talking about is about those losses that occurred after

the first person left heaven and came to this ... so to speak, to care for him with his own efforts, well, of course, with god's help, but man has lost a lot, including things connected with nature, with nature, yes, if there in paradise, the animals knew him perfectly well, they understood each other , moreover, adam was, so to speak, their patron of the earth, yes, he named names, yes, he gave them names, then as soon as he left the gate, and as soon as the archangel closed the gate with his sword, the animals stopped recognizing adam and they directly told him, you have lost the image of god, we don’t recognize you, they began to growl at him, and growl still, listen, i called rock musicians, theologians and friends came , but i still want to torment you a little , you know, to ask you, maybe to step back a little, maybe

even from your current inner experiences , although we will definitely talk about them, but i would still wanted to talk to you, you know, how in science there is such a method of included analysis, yes, when, because the scientist is usually already detached, yes, included analysis is when a person himself is engaged in some process, and he describes, yes, here i am, you know, with the courage of an amateur i want to ask you this question, if i understand correctly , russian rock has two sources, this is english-language music, and this is russian literature and, more broadly , russian culture, that’s how far one can agree with this formulation of the question how... it’s cozy with these two parents, well, about the english-speaking thing, alexey, i think, will now tell you, perhaps better, richer experience, but still the russian has a hand, this is not, not a russian phenomenon, you know, by itself i’m not a russian phenomenon, but

let’s say i was lucky enough to be friends with such a person, zap. an absolutely brilliant musician, and he had a tremendous love for russian music, for him storinsky was something there, yes, and he constantly reminded us of this, this is the second half of the 19th century, composers, those who were called a mighty bunch, especially mussorsky, who, in fact, was probably the most inspired by inspiration, in fact, even while in the united states, i suddenly learned that the most played composer in the world is tchaikovsky, i did not know before that, i was so surprised, so i asked my friend who is in second place, she studied classical music, she says, storovsky is in second place , rakhmanov is in third, this is a playlist of classical radio stations in america, you know,

that’s why, despite the fact that we are very much they took from... from english-language rock, this is, of course, a colossal school, colossal material in its own way, the depth of depth, they took a lot from our russian music, that’s why it’s all for a reason, it’s the cycle of water in nature, it really is , that you remember, our beloved marina anndreevna zhurinskaya wrote about rock, when , as a phenomenon of world culture, and in my opinion this is the natural next one, so to speak, there was a stage in general in the development of culture, just like literature, but it can be called, who whom, so to speak, he adopted to a greater extent, too this is such a complex process, it continues to some extent, and as for modern music, we can say that everything there has been very much crushed due to the influx of various stylistics, sub-stylistics,

that is, this is a branch that is already going into thin ... music that is so specific that they, so to speak, gradually dissolve themselves in the air, because if you look at the architecture of the structure of a tree, yes, when it. first into such powerful branches, then into twigs, into a leaf, into leaves, here, actually, the structure is the same, i will definitely ask about this, again with the arrogance of an amateur, but i want to return to the topic of literature, because in my understanding, russian rock, of course, inherits russian literature, i was listening to you just now, you they said about literature, i remembered that dostoevsky told us about the responsiveness of russian literature, and in pushkin’s famous speech, that this is the genius of pushkin, that he could be, in contrast to this, it’s interesting, without inventing anything, if, this is the topic responsiveness of russian literature, it is preserved in russian rock, we can say that russian

rock, it is responsive, but, i think, yes, because we are so closely connected in general, with the canons of literature, that, in my opinion, i don’t know where else, this is how the text is developed, for example, in combination with music, but for us this is definitely a very important thing, and you will agree that it seems to me that this is such a clichéd perception that russian rock is more text or it is based on text, and western on music, i just heard the opinion that this is a too simplified perception, especially in the west such, yes, few people know that in the english language there are more than 100 thousand words more than in russian, and shakespeare’s word is more than pushkin’s dictionary, but rock is nowhere without a word , you just understand, if there is no word then there is no russian rock, here in in english rock, the word also meant a lot, there

it was those who used the word masterfully who became conceptual and cult performers , such groups as pink floyd, the same ledzen, for example, i was a child, i did not distinguish ledzeplin from pepol, and both i liked the other things, but being, already living like this, in united states, i suddenly discovered that the giants are gigantic, this is such a strong pop rock band, and when the nineties came, such a movement as alternative music appeared, there it was no longer possible without a word, there everyone paid attention to the word, so although there, too, kurt cabane, he lived the words and it was not clear what he was saying, but nevertheless, everyone understood that he was trying to say something important, but in our country , probably, the musical part gave it more often, and in general in our country, precisely from the point of view of rock, here, well, at first, when there was the soviet union, everything was prohibited, i just personally

went through it, and then people just didn’t go deep into it, so russian rock probably has a great future when they start analyzing the whole past, very seriously exactly. from the point of view of russian music, then they will shovel all of dostoevsky and then they will be able to do something brilliant, so i want here with you - what is the name from this place in more detail, you and i once talked about this topic, and then this thought came to me fuse, including asking with its non-obviousness, yes, you said the best of russian rock is ahead, and if it can be combined with the depth of dostoevsky, then this will be what we are all waiting for, yes, consistency, but that’s how much, well, here again ... i i don’t want to offend anyone, but in my understanding, dostoevsky is symphonic music, in any case, not necessarily, the same pink floyd is such a stripped-down dostoevsky, yes, very

fragmented, here they are tried, so to speak, to dig up such philistinism, so well, actually we achieved a certain effect, of course, dostoyasky is millions of times wider , i really liked the statement, i forgot his name, this is an actor... who - received five or six amy, it’s like in tv series it’s such an oscar, so he came to orthodoxy, he says, i discovered dostoevsky for myself, i often have to play terrible people , some kind of scoundrels, so i suddenly realized that dostoevsky wrote about terrible things from the position of light, uh-huh, this is very difficult, this is very difficult, and this is a huge strength for rock music is just a colossal field of activity, but do you agree that there is still more to come at the russian horn? theoretically this is possible, but the way events are developing diplomatically reacted, no

, well, i’m just watching how music develops, yeah, modern, it’s quite possible that at some level it will take on a slightly completely different breakthrough, a different one will happen turn, and it will be... a different level of quality. but don’t you think that this is still too binding, specifically for rock music, is this a proposal, or what? or i'm wrong. in my opinion, this is a good level that allows a person not only to develop, but even to improve in some sense, we are talking about the spirit, so to speak, the form of the word, a certain aesthetics of some kind, about how the thought itself is formed, yes, how deep is all this, uh, really deep, in relation to something , yes, what is happening now, with him and gogol pushkin

and let tolstoy, no matter what, with gogol it’s even somehow easier for me, i can’t do it explain, but so intuitively , somehow it doesn’t arise for me, nothing sticks out to me, gogol, rock, i somehow understand it all somehow, gogol is punk, in general, in my opinion, he has such a specific language, especially from the current point of view, but why? when i read, for example, classics, and literary ones, i notice... how rich the language is, how everything is carefully structured, how everything is formulated there, gogol has a very unique language, a punk among the classics, vyacheslav butusov, alexei belov, i’m vladimir ligoyda, we’re talking about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon , i know what else i want to talk to you about, about a personal journey, here’s the first question, here’s what you think, here’s a spiritual quest: which

we obviously see in the life path of musicians in their work, this is connected to a greater extent with the generation, because this is a time of search, yes, the end of the eighties, the beginning of the nineties, and not only musicians went through this path, or after all, what you are doing is left its mark, this is more the reason, or or this and that and another, that’s how you think, it seems to me that sooner or later in the life of every person there comes a moment when, well, he begins to think more about, uh, what is happening in his life, how this happens, you begin to understand, so to speak , well, seeing over many years how this world is developing, you begin to ask certain questions and - in general , to be honest, for me - the path of human attention is that we increasingly notice over the years how

alarming the world is position is found if you take there, for example, childhood and school, yes, i, i didn’t care much about what was happening around me, except for the fact that in the international panorama one could see some short excerpts of problets, so, but i can say that this is me didn’t concern me at all, not only because i wasn’t interested in it, it was as if i was protected by some kind of force, some... kind of ditch you know, a conditional cap, so mystical, and when you start to think about how to protect yourself, so to speak so as not to dry up completely, in this raging world, then of course you wonder the question is how this can be achieved, and in fact, this is the path to god, but the most difficult thing is when you understand that yes, there is

a way out, there is... 'salvation, this is love, this is the path to god, yes, how said anthony of sursky, at the last judgment, it will become clear to us that the only thing that was valuable in this life is love, and so, when you realize at this moment that you need to go to god, i ’m not even talking about improving to to the same extent as as jesus said in his sermon, as... our heavenly father, yes, to be perfect, at this moment, uh, you other things are already terrifying, that this whole