[000:00:00;00] i didn’t want to call, then, okay, i’ll call, so that later i don’t, don’t scold myself, suddenly this woman says to me, you’ll forgive me for disturbing you, the fact is that i’m many years old, i ’ll die soon, i have to do something -what can i tell you, i was very friends with your father, me and my husband, we were your father’s closest friends. well, okay, he loved you very much, i’m listening, i think he loved you so much that he never found me in his life, you didn’t know yet that you lived, no, it was all before she said, your mother is sorry, she knew mom didn’t know that he was alive and never met him, never, she came to me, she didn’t, but if she knew, she would have said, or it was a taboo,

it was a taboo topic, i’m never a mother. i never asked anything about him in my life, once , in 1980, i received an envelope, in this envelope there was a photograph, on the photograph on the back of the photograph there was an inscription: in this photograph your father is as old as you are now, he was taken in the military form, this is the forty-fifth year of the end: the war, it really was like that, he was in this photo he is 35 years old, then it turned out that his wife put it in my mailbox, i got this envelope, my first reaction was, varis, even kind of disgusted, suddenly this

woman tells me, you know, in general, he’s there i lived with my wife and two children in your house, i called my friend, and i had already left there , i called him and said: “see, you can go to the sixth floor, because they told me that i need to look at the apartment according to my family, i lived on the fourteenth floor, and as this woman told me, he..." lived on the sixth floor, he says: i’ll call you back now, he went and said: there lived a family, a husband, a wife, they are both no longer in the world, and there are two of their sons, that is , these are my half-brothers, these are not hers from a previous marriage, these are your blood, that is , from your father, from my father, well, it’s a summary,

their mother is different, who our mother is is different. the youngest, not very healthy, i don’t know if he’s alive, so now okay, then i find out that now or not, he once threw himself in front of a train on the subway, this is the younger one, and the older one was really looking for a meeting with me, something like that, i said, you know what, come to the theater first, well although we will go through some step, rapprochement, after our conversation there was, there was a pause, for several days, during this time, i suddenly read

some... newspaper interview with him, because he immediately became a star, on his they began to interview me, and he told me very badly about my mother, i read it, then there was a performance to which he came, i sat him right, right in front of my nose, he sat in the front row, that is...' i had the opportunity to glance sometimes, by the end of the performance i realized that i had nothing to do with him talk, i don’t want not to talk, not to communicate, nothing, okay, but he didn’t break into the dressing room after, no, no, he didn’t break in, maybe he understood what you read, no, no, i don’t know, but he started at me through the media, putting pressure on me there,

then, then, suddenly, this woman who called, she told me, i talked to her about something. she says, you know, tomorrow is your brother’s birthday, it was a summer month, i’m in december, and it was some kind of month, i’ll tell you now, some kind of july or august, something like that, yes, july, probably, tomorrow is his birthday, i say, well, okay, i just have to tell you how he was born, i say, well, tell me, she says, motherfucker, held on in her arms, well, how many 7 months there, 8 months gone, she came to him and began to present me to this woman, as

material evidence, what a scumbag her husband is, after this story the picture turned 180° for me, i realized that this man... all his life he lived under the wild fear that this woman gave him, who gave birth to a child prematurely that night, she had contractions from stress, and apparently she did not forgive him until the end of her days, even when i had already moved into this house, and i was already in a status, why did i already have everything, everything and she knew, and he knew, and she sent me this envelope in the eightieth... year , why such a long and tedious story, maybe , i don’t blame anyone, i just became over the years, in this sense, just wiser, i don’t know anyone not

a judge, you are everyone’s lawyer, yes, and brother, yes, i am not a judge to anyone, and even these who wanted to take away the theater, although many of them continue look at... to this day, i look at them with regret, life is finite anyway, they will also end this road, let everything be fine with them, i have nothing to share with them, i am a happy person, i have lived life in abundance love, why should i complain, i can’t have everyone just adoring me and... ’ and kissing me from head to toe, well, that’s not true, so sometimes, in order to know something about myself, i open up, and i think you see some nasty stuff, read it, then when i

read it, i think, shame on you, why are you you write this, i close it, i think i need to complain to larisa, larisa says, don’t read this, but i listen, i think: if i hadn’t read, where would i now find so many words to tell about it, i know the city will be, i know the garden will bloom when there are such people in the soviet country, we are in novokuznetsk, the temperature is about 13,000, but can i press the button, but it won’t say? no , bigfoot doesn’t exist, you made it all up, it happened, it happened, they did an examination, they said that the hair is inhuman, not from animal hair, that’s exactly what is unknown

creatures, a boat, the rowers in it, perhaps this is some kind of creature that meets people on boats, perhaps these are the souls of the dead, what about food, you can dig up worms, ladies and gentlemen, a deadly number, scrambled eggs with worms, but everything is not so bad, the life of their premiere, sunday on the first, and which one do you like better in today , yes, of course, of course, because i stopped being, i was very prickly, very, well, well, because. i had to, well, i, you didn’t have to survive, you didn’t have to

it was, yes, through the middle of nowhere to the stars, you didn’t go, you immediately after culinary, your brilliant student, became a star in one piece, just so i don’t forget, after covid, in general, a culinary engineering student is my so sexy male psychotype. because i can’t love a man physically, i can’t marry him if i don’t feel sorry for him, i definitely need to have compassion and pity, i need to take care, there’s so much of a mother in me, i understand. i need to make him some soup, know that he has a bad stomach in the morning, i’ll put him in bed then i love him physically and this culinary student is right up my alley, i would marry someone like that, and why i was saying this is because

you immediately became something i’ve heard throughout my life, it’s very pleasing to the ear, but let’s now operate with facts. so, i come, well, that’s it, thank god, i graduated from the educational institution, and among my teachers, among other things, olga aleksanna, by the way, taught on the course, her hope, yes, her hope brought her to the school, olga she came herself and brought more

with a messenger. and fate introduced me to the messenger, when i was 15 years old, near the dynamo stadium, he was standing drunk after a football match, in line for a taxi, oh, my god, i saw a living messenger, and i was with a friend who lived in the same room as me house, and he asked, looking at... us, if we wanted to take a ride with him, well, from the dynamo stadium, and he was driving bitterly, we got into the car, i’m just not alive, not dead, a messenger, he didn’t turn his head , says, driving

past one house, that he lived in this house him... and without turning his head, he told us, come up to this house and bow to the memory of this himself, then suddenly, he turns to my friend, my friend was in the period... of puberty, his whole face was covered in acne, and he doesn’t turn, well, i’m with the driver, because well, he was a lot, he could drink a lot, in general , he was so talented, he was, he was a very fantastic artist, suddenly he says, turning to my friend, you’re on fire, well, he’s so confused, he says, right? and here he doesn’t turn

his head, looks straight, i press, he doesn’t pause, he says, you have to, but you are 15, several years have passed, and he comes to the school to teach, and he walks into the school, there is no one in the foyer. i’m alone and he’s shouting a man, and i run up, he’s clearly drunk and says , you can buy beer somewhere here, i say, here on pravda street there was a gorgeous grocery store, but he gives me money, gives me money, he says, go buy me a beer, then he says: keep the change, i came in 1998, to the actor’s house, on his

seventy-fifth birthday, i went out and began to tell the master’s first lessons, he sits, laughs, genka says, i will kill you, don’t tell me, don’t tell me, and this recording is alive, it exists. minor-key discussions about loneliness, hope and despair, unhappy love and experiences that will find... a response in the soul of every person, these songs can be considered as an expression of the russian sad soul. hello, today we have gathered with thoughts about russian rock, as a cultural phenomenon about the spiritual search of russian musicians.

hello, dear friends, vyacheslav butusov, alexey bilov. i am very glad to see you, what i read is from modern articles dedicated to russian rock. yes. i would like to ask you, as a warm-up question, how ready you are to agree with this, i would say that my aspirations now to talk about happy love are more than about unhappy love, but you are talking about now, here in basically, if we can say, this is how the author of this article believes that a large segment of a rock composition is an expression of the russian sad soul, well, in some ways he is right, of course , because, because if we say that - so say, dig deeper and say that sadness for bose, that is, about god, then this is probably so , yes, well, this is a well-known state of the russian person, because he

never imagines himself in some kind of ideal, so he is sad all the time about that he did not achieve something that he could have achieved. at least looking at the icons at the saints, yes, well, that is, this is sadness not about the imperfection of the world, but in one’s inner state, the imperfection of the world is also probably in some way, of course, because this is also sadness from a person, here it is you know that once upon a time there was paradise, everything was there, even animals talked there, and here is the story, and what is the transition from this sadness to the joy that you just talked about, well, i would say that it is difficult. happens because what alexey is talking about is about those losses that occurred after adam, the first man , left heaven and came to this world, so to speak, to nourish it with his own efforts, and of course, with god’s help , but man

has lost a lot, including things associated with nature, with nature, yes, if there is in paradise beast, they knew him perfectly well, they understood each other, moreover, adam was, so to speak, their patron of the earth, yes, he gave them names, yes, yes, he gave them names, then as soon as he left the gate, and as soon as the archangel michael closed the gate with his sword, uh, the animals stopped recognizing adam and they directly told him, you have lost the image of god, we don’t recognize you, they began to growl at him, and they are still growling, listen, he called the rock musicians. theologians and friends have come, but i still want to torment you a little, you know, to ask you, maybe to step back a little, maybe even from the current internal experiences , although we will definitely talk about them, but i would still like to talk to you, you know, how in science there is such a method of included analysis, yes, when, because that the scientist is usually already detached, yes, included analysis is when

a person himself is engaged in some process and he describes it, but you know, with the courage of an amateur i want to ask you this question, if i... i understand, in russian rock two sources, this is english-language music, and this russian literature and, more broadly, russian culture, that’s how far one can agree with this formulation of the question, to what extent, well, if i may say so, russian rock is comfortable with these two parents, well, regarding the english-speaking nature, alexey, i think, will tell you very well now, maybe he can say better , including in english , richer experience, but still. koroka is there, this is not, not a russian phenomenon, you know, of course, the phenomenon itself is not russian, but let’s say, i was lucky enough to be friends with such a person as frank zapa, yes, a genius

a complete musician, and he, uh, had a tremendous love for russian music, for him sorovinsky was, it’s something there, yes, and he constantly reminded us of this, this second...' half of the 19th century, the composers of those who were called a powerful group, especially musorovsky, who, in fact, probably inspired the most, strovensky, in fact, even while in the united states, i suddenly found out that the most played composer in the world is tchaikovsky, i didn’t know before that, i i was surprised, so i asked my friend who was in second place, she studied classical music, she says, in second place is storinsky, rakhmanov, this is a playlist of classical radio stations in america, you know, yes, that’s why, despite the fact that we took a lot from... from english-language rock, of course

a colossal school, colossal material in its own way, depth of depth, they took a lot from our russian music, that’s why it’s all for a reason, it’s the cycle of water in nature, but this is really what you remember, our beloved marya andrevna zhurinskaya wrote about rock when it was a phenomenon world culture, but in my opinion this is the natural next stage, so to speak, in general in the development of culture. just like literature, well, you can call it, who, so to speak, adopted it from whom to a greater extent , this is also such a complex process, it continues to some extent, and as for modern music, we can say that there is a very strong everything has been crushed due to the influx of various stylistics, sub-stylistics, that is, this is a branch that is already leaving: simply into subtle music that is so

specific that they, so to speak, themselves dissolve in the air gradually, because if you look at the architecture of the structure of a tree, yes, when it goes first into such powerful branches, then into twigs, into leaves, here the structure itself is the same, i will definitely ask about it, again with the arrogance of an amateur, but i want to return to the topic of literature, because in my understanding , russian rock, of course... inherits russian literature, i was listening to you just now, you said about literature, i remembered that dostoevsky told us about the responsiveness of russian literature, but in famous pushkin’s speech, that this is the genius of pushkin, that he could be, in contrast to this, it’s interesting, without inventing anything, if this theme of the responsiveness of russian literature, it is preserved in russian rock, we can say that russian rock, it is responsive, i think so, yes, because we are so... closely connected in general with the canons of literature that

- in my opinion, i don’t know where else the text is so developed, for example, in combination with music, but here it is for sure a very important thing, and you will agree, alexey nikolavich in that it seems to me that this is such a slightly clichéd perception that russian rock is more text, or it is based on text, and western rock is on music, so i just heard the opinion that this is a too simplified perception, especially western, there is such , yes, few people know that in the english language there are more than 100 thousand words more than in russian, the words of shakespeare are more than the words of pushkin, so, but russian is rock, it is nowhere without a word, just, you know, if there is no word , then there is no russian rock, but in english rock, the word also meant a lot, there it was conceptual and cult and the performers were those who used bands like pink floyd, the same ledzeplin, for example, i was a child, i didn’t distinguish ledzeplin from deppol, i liked both of them,

but when i was already living like this in the united states, i suddenly discovered that for a long time there were some gigantic giants, and depial was such a strong pop-rock band, and when the nineties came, such a movement as alternative music appeared , now there’s no word it was impossible, everyone there... paid attention to the word, although curt kaban was also there, he chewed the words and it was not clear what he was saying, but nevertheless, deciphering the words, everyone understood that he was trying to say something important, but in our country, uh, the musical part probably suffered more often, but in general in our country , precisely from the point of view of rock, here - at first, when there was the soviet union, everything was generally prohibited, i just personally went through it, and then... just people they didn’t go much

deeper, so probably the russian there is a great future for the lesson, when they begin to analyze the entire past, very seriously , precisely from the point of view of russian music , then they will shovel all of dostoevsky, then they will be able to do something brilliant, so i want here with you - what is it called from this place in more detail, you and i once talked about this topic, and then this thought stuck with me, including, forgive your... non-obviousness, yes , you said, the best of russian rock is ahead, and if it can be combined with the depth of dostoevsky, yes , then this will be what we are all waiting, but there is consistency, but that’s how much, well again, i don’t want to offend anyone, but in my understanding, but dostoevsky is symphonic music, in any case, not necessarily, the same pink floyd is such a stripped-down dostoevsky, yes, yes, very fragmented, so they tried, so to speak, such philistinism, and so, in fact, they achieved a certain effect, of course, dostoevsky is millions of times broader,

i really liked the statement, i forgot his name, this is... an actor who got an a or six amy, it’s like in tv series it’s such an oscar, so he came to orthodoxy, he says, i discovered dostoevsky, i often have to play terrible people, some kind of scoundrels, so i suddenly realized that dostoevsky wrote about terrible things from the perspective of light, yeah, this is very difficult, this is very difficult, and this is a huge strength, for rock music it’s just a colossal field of activity, but do you agree that the russian’s hand is still ahead? theoretically this is possible, but the way they develop reacted diplomatically to the events, no, well, i’m just watching how modern music is developing, it’s quite possible that at some level it will take on a slightly

completely different breakthrough, another turn will happen, and... it will be a different level of quality . but don’t you think that this proposal is too binding for rock music, or what? or am i wrong here? in my opinion, this is a good level that allows a person not only to develop, but even to improve in in a sense, we are talking about the spirit, and so to speak, the form of the word, a certain aesthetics of some kind, how the thought itself is formed, yes, as far as all this is concerned, it is really deep in relation to something, and what is happening now, with him and gogol, and pushkin, ilet tolstoy, despite everything, with gogol it’s even somehow easier for me, i can’t explain it, but just like that, intuitively, somehow it doesn’t arise for me, nothing

sticks out to me , gogol, rock, i somehow understand it all. this is punk, in general, in my opinion, it has such a specific language, especially from the current point of view, why? when i read, for example, classics, yes, literary ones, i notice how rich the language is, how everything is carefully structured, how everything is formulated there, gogol has a very unique language, punk, among the classics, vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, i’m vladimir, we’re talking about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon. i know, there’s something else i want to talk to you about, about my personal journey, here’s the first question: this is what you think, this is the spiritual quest that we obviously see in the life path of musicians in their creativity, this is connected to a greater extent with the generation, because this is a time of search, and the end of the eighties, the beginning of the nineties, and not

only musicians went through this path, or after all... what you do left its imprints , this is more the reason, or or it’s both, that’s what you think, it seems to me that sooner or later in the life of every person there comes a moment when, well, he begins to think more about what is happening in his life as it happens, you begin to understand, so to speak, well, seeing over the years how this world has... in general , to be honest, for me , the path of human attention is that we increasingly notice over the years how alarming the world is is located there, if we take , for example, childhood and school, yes, i, i didn’t care much about what was happening around,

except for the fact that in the international panorama one could see some... short excerpts of prose, but i can to say that this did not concern me at all, not only because it it wasn’t interesting, it was as if i was protected by some kind of force, some kind of cover, such , you know, a conditional cap, so mystical, and when you start to think about how to protect yourself, so to speak, so as not to dry up completely, in this raging world. then, of course, you wonder how this can be achieved, and in fact, this is the path to god, but the most difficult thing is when you understand that yes, there is a way out, there is salvation, this is love, this is the path to god, yes, as anthony of sorozhsky said, at

the last judgment, it will become clear to us that the only thing that was valuable. in this life, this is love, so, when you realize at this moment that you need to go to god, i’m not even talking about improving to such an extent, as jesus said, about how our heavenly father, yes, to be perfect, at this moment , you are already horrified by other things, that you need to uproot this entire field, and this is a very painful process, uprooting stumps and roots, it’s not like that, just like that , it crashed a little, very complex, time-consuming and painful, and after that there you can, so to speak, plow this soil and sow it, but if i tell you correctly i understand that you think that this is still connected with age and generation, and not with what you were doing, i thought so until some time, until i was faced

with the fact that i saw young people who in our time, maybe even more difficult in some sense, because it is more intense, more tousled, yes, because the passions are right on the surface. so at that moment when i saw these young people, i joked a little in my theory, it has nothing to do with age, well, that’s it well, when we, so to speak, can be shaken in theory, alexey nikavich, what do you think, now i’m just talking about personal search, it was more connected with time, what was in the air, in general, or with what you were doing, like yours, i think that god determines everyone’s own path, and so everyone... follows this path, because when i came to faith, when i probably had a second such important crisis, it was a meeting with a saint, with father nikolai guryan, well, with

a great elder, so i had a lot questions, but one of them, since i heard a lot about music, about rock and other things, it was in the bowels of the church that i approached the priest, and i said, father, is my craft pleasing to god? or not, so he smiled and said: whatever, whatever, so he knew that i had positive and negative experiences, once upon a time, when the park appeared, and we made different works, somewhere we tried to go deeper, something... then we had just such a straight rock-rock, but it’s true that along the way we began to change very strongly changed a lot, changed, until the very end, while the group, so to speak, functioned in its entirety , changed all the time, when the first album came out, then there was no internet and letters poured in from all over the world, i saw these bags melted bags, bags, bags, it was just one

day, and they told me, read this pile of letters, so i started reading, the letters were from all over the world, and in almost all the letters it was written like this, it was about just one song , thanks to you, this song helped me not to commit suicide, this was my first positive experience. although i didn’t change then rockrol remained, i was still flying like a meteor, for a long time, a few more years, now forward, and later there was a negative experience, and this is all part of the journey, that’s why i was just embarrassed and i needed to ask this question, and i asked, well, look, this is a question, it’s even, today we remembered gogal, maybe not by chance, yes, after all, gogal without any fate experienced this colossal internal conflict, and i think this is your question, my craft maybe he said creativity, i don’t know if it’s god’s way, it’s not at all a fact that he

answered it, and or it’s definitely not a fact that he answered the same way as you, yes, rather, he said, my craft, my creativity is neither which is not necessary before, i’m deliberately emphasizing now, yes, that is, this conflict, how did the program go for you. but it exists, yes, it exists, and i think it will develop in some way , alexey was just talking about these things, and i remembered bosch’s famous painting triptych called the garden of earthly delights, and you see, the 14th-15th centuries were strict times, then playing music was already considered... it was sinful, and although it was, in general, by our standards, completely harmless things, just playing musical instruments, notes are also depicted there,

therefore, it seems to me that in this case, this is the measure that a person chooses for himself, of course, that’s how much it pleases, and if you really want it to be as you please, you just need to cut it off in yourself. any blasphemy, any heresy, and any foul language, you just need to clean, everyone did this, including revolutionaries, but... i don’t think that gogol didn’t understand this, he understood, of course, but why did he have such a decision then, there, i don’t want to go into biographical details now, but he well, this is a sinusoid, this is typical for a person, this is human nature, and i think that maybe there was no such person next to him, or he was not looking for such a person, although uh, we used to often go to optina

putin and... even lived in a monastery, right now there women are not allowed in, but before, before they were allowed in, and we went to night services, they gave me the memorial service to read, those who came there, and there was gogal, there was dostoevsky, they got there, they got there, they came into the skit, difference from the fat one, yes, yes, i think that maybe he did not ask the most important question from one of these elders, but about his creativity. maybe everything would have been different, i’m just saying, swearing is such a terrible thing, yes, that’s why i just want to come back to you, i asked about the generation there or is it related with creativity, because this is how it seems to me, god knows, maybe i’m being deceived, but it seems to me that my path, for example, is quite standard, that is, at the end of school - this is russian literature, this is dostoevsky, like this for the first time there you start to think, then it’s just the end of eight

... they start publishing russian philosophers whom we didn’t know, and you start reading about the gospel, about the church, and the gospel itself, and then at some point in my in life he was just a person, we were taught, by the way, from i taught music history at the conservatory, and he was generally casual, he told us about the music of ancient india or something, there may be latin america, topinatsli, chilitli, this whole history, musical instruments, i still remember the name, and we asked him about something, the word church came up, he said it was fasting. now i understand that he himself was such an absolute neophyte, he says, well, i think that of course you don’t eat white bread there, but black bread there, and it wasn’t that he said, yes, that it was such an unofficial twist, yes, in that he said that well, what’s the point of reading if you don’t go there, if you don’t live in this house, that’s how it is, and this path, it seems to me, well, as i say, the path of such university boys, here it was probably different somewhere, it doesn’t matter, or it seems, we sometimes had to

go down. in order to push off, so to understand that there is such a bottom , so, probably, after all, there is another way, somewhat, well, this is a strong phrase, i think that i’m quite late in general for church i came because it was my fate that i lived for 15 years in krasnoyarsk , where i was born, and i’ll be honest, i then tried, remember, at least one church, i didn’t remember it, purely physically, i’m just on my way i didn’t see a church, which means either i didn’t see it, that is, my perception was so dulled, yes, or they really weren’t there, which is possible, because the city is quite new, plus, so to speak, the consequences of the bolshevik destruction, but still no less, now i have come... after college, after

even after school, after i worked as a specialist, an architect, and for a long time i perceived music only as an amateur activity, as actual entertainment for myself. alexey nikolavich, your phrase that we had to go to hell haunts me, this is how you live with these memories now, what do they mean in your life today? no, they can’t forget it, i think that you need to remember, you need to remember, so to speak, not to be forgotten, this is all for a reason, it’s all part of the path, that’s it the thief had to be crucified next to christ in order to understand who was hanging on the cross next to him to shout to him, lord, in your kingdom, when you come to the kingdom in and

this is also a terrible path, he killed people, he definitely visited ado , before that, that’s when i was the first to enter heaven , today we gathered our thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon, vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, i’m vladimir, we continue, a little bit, to the search for generations i want to go back, because among people, and that means in different spheres of culture, this is the time when so we were looking, we were all looking, yes, there were these searches in the cinema, now we have a film about balabanov coming out, here was slava’s anniversary, everyone gathered at my house. they gave an interview, quietly, hello, but are they celebrating here? no, no, glory, what are you talking about, i said, the very top to the left, oh, sorry, you have,

man, experience, yes, interaction with him, that’s how you remember it, now, first of all, we i had known alexey for a long time. starting from college times, then he moved to st. petersburg, then i ended up there, yes, she read the world like a novel, and he ended up i once gathered a crowd of extras in a cafe, a huge cafe, extras, only because there slava butus would play a song, and it was a feature film, it turned out, free, everything is absolutely, a walk... in the park without a dog, it can become too expensive for you, mother

learns by heart, phone number of the morgue, when she is away, at home for too long, all this time, so to speak, we watched each other, in the sense that he was building a cinematic career, and i saw all this before my eyes was happening, he naturally, so to speak, observed what we had it’s happening, at a certain stage i already had thoughts , well, somehow, that we need to help each other, so to speak , just on this path, yes, on the path to god, i may not be very good , so to speak, in this sense, an assistant in terms of eloquence, to pronounce the necessary words. yes, but one way or another, in general , i tried to talk with alexey on this topic, but sometimes he had a categorical attitude for a long time, because he was very passionate about cinema, for him it was a whole world, in where he lived, the owner, nothing, everything else had, so to speak

, applied significance to this, as it seemed to me, but as you can see, at the end, so to speak, of his path, so to speak... he still came to this topic, i tried for a very long time to persuade him to film some kind of fairy tale or something like that, well, relatively speaking, yes, i even had options written for various stories for synopses, and every time he told me that i was not ready yet, i was mentally not ready for this, i want to, but i'm not ready, by the way, here's the last one the film is actually such a parable, by and large, all this is already happening there in this abandoned bell tower, and the film itself, the name of the film, and the essence of this story, what i

also want, everyone wants, in the end, and i, like fool, the cross almost fell, a heavy wooden, huge cross , so i’m waiting, precisely because of that, i could have fallen and that’s it, but because of the people who followed me, here’s a strange story, yes, i know, it just clicks with me, you said it correctly, how to connect this with what we’re talking about, that’s why for me, russian rock is a continuation of russian literature, yes... it follows russian literature, because russian literature is what gives us the space of meaning and language, yes, we speak with these images, we remember these heroes and the same russian rock, yes, here are your songs, they enter our lives, it’s interesting that soviet cinema was the cinema of our language, yes,