[000:00:00;00] and like a fool, the cross almost fell, it’s heavy, wooden, a huge cross , so i’m waiting for someone to support me, because i might fall, and a crowd of people is following me, and i’m somehow i passed like that, precisely because of that, i could have fallen and that’s it, but because of the people who followed me, that’s a strange story, right? i know, how it fits together for me, you said correctly, how to connect this with what we are talking about, that’s why for me russian rock is a continuation of russian literature, and inherits russian literature, because russian literature is what gives us a space of meaning and language , yes, we speak with these images, we remember these heroes, and the same thing with russian rock, yes, here are your songs, they enter our lives, it’s interesting that

soviet cinema was the cinema of our language, yes, it’s post-soviet, as far as i’m concerned... maybe many will disagree with me, but by and large , the films brother brother i are those that entered the language, it seems to me that this also comes together here , yes, these searches are some kind of internal and well the result, yes, when something made by a person becomes part of the language, of course, yes, but i also wanted to add that in addition to literature, symphonic music is still of great importance, i have been actively interested in this for recent years , and i can say that there is a lot of such pressure in academic music, in symphonic music, which sweeps away even worse than rock music, you know, there at the beginning for its time it was cool rock, just yes, time is forward, it’s just a specific example is

that a bulldozer is driving like this, against which you just can’t agree with, but look, we said about the bright future of russian rock, we said about symphonic music, but young people, let’s be honest, don’t listen, not all of them, young people are different, and any generalization is unfair to anyone, but still, today they don’t listen to rock, as they did once upon a time, some time ago, so i may be sharpening, yes, well , intentionally, but i don’t see continuity in modern russian music with the great russian literature, with the great russian culture with russian rock, i have it there i don’t see, i’m wrong, at one time such a terrible word of music appeared, it appeared in the nineties, the word format, then everything began to be divided, because before that somehow everything was together, so if we take it there, let’s say, there are the seventies years, there was rock pop music and some kind of disc, it was all together, and then it began to be divided into

formats, and then trends appeared. rap didn’t just appear out of nowhere, you don’t need to know anything special, you don’t need to study music especially there, make yourself these beats, so to speak, there, so keep talking, what came to mind, this is something like this, and it is also supported by the industry, it would not have existed on its own for long, this is also a stage that says that everything should begin, so to speak, develop in a new circle, and go nowhere it won’t go away and... and over time it will be the seeds that are the most tenacious that will sprout, that is , the more interesting ones that have some kind of meaning behind them, but still, one way or another , music, and fundamentally as a manifestation of culture, literature yes this is the connection, this symbiosis, and people will always return to them, because this is actually folk art, today you are amazingly

diplomatic for literary expression than in rock, because there you need something, something to broadcast constantly, and there is a lot of it, there are a lot of opportunities, yes, yes, yes, another thing is how it is used, it is used little, unfortunately, today we, of course, we had so much theological and cultural, musical, i’m not afraid of that word dimension, but i know, in conclusion, what i would like to ask you about, since we talked a lot today about russian literature, if you had to advise our contemporaries, foreigners, to get acquainted with russian literature, well, through some work or work, i won’t say there,

name three there, right? well, that’s what first comes to mind, falls on the heart, what would you advise first of all, i’m always ready to easily name pushkin, he also has poems. and prose, yes, this is one circumstance, the second circumstance is that he reached such heights in poetry, which are already called fairy tales, and in poetry, well, actually, in general, pushkin, our everything, yes, yes, alexey nikolaevich, what would you advise, well , i would probably slash at dostoevsky, of course, but this is not for everyone, according to teeth, yes, yes, yes, this is a man who discovered for himself, said that he writes about terrible things from a position of light, not everyone can probably understand this, but nevertheless, i said in some interviews that i just had such friends who, uh, they are such cult

musicians, there and still they are cult there musicians in the west, now we have been to such very interesting gatherings , where you come to such a house, and people walk around in clothes from the eighteenth... century, and the hostess sits down at the piano, everyone came just for this, they start playing neoclassical music like that interesting, then they start talking, it turns out that one of the people is such a leading screenwriter goriovsky, i didn’t even know he wrote so many films, so we just talked to him about literature and when i said the word dostoevsky and he suddenly changed in his face, he changed and so straight someone became completely different and suddenly bowed like that, i think he’s bowing to me or something, so bow, said: “oh dostoevsky, and of course, there are people who understand this, yes,

they understand, sooner or later, after all , i was listening to you just now, i remembered, i recently watched some series, an american one, a detective series, and there are two detectives sitting in a car, one opens the glove compartment, the other takes it out, there is an idiot of dostoevsky, he says, it’s a good book, then the doctor says, it’s dostoevsky , he says, “well, the book is good”? and here even for the second time he doesn’t say anything to him anymore, he just looks, well, what should i explain to you? thank you, dear friends, i am eternally grateful to you, today we had iconic musicians, alexey bilov, vyacheslav butusov, i’m vladimir legoyda, we gathered our thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon, thank you. hello, i'm dmitry bak and here is a literary podcast called let them not talk, let them read, we talk about different topics, about different writers, about classics or about

those who are close to us, but today we are talking about an author who one on the one hand, he passed away quite a long time ago, on the other hand, he is with us, he is nearby, this is sergei aleksandrovich yesenin. and a very popular poet, many say that he is a national poet, his anniversary was celebrated - not this year, but earlier, this year we just remember every time the dawning with a special feeling at the beginning of autumn, when he was born, today in our guests are the general director of the museum of the reserve sergei sanovich yesenin, boris igorevich yoganson, hello, hello, and today our guest is also andrei veshkurtsev, an actor from the moscow art academic theater named after maxim gurkov. hello, andrey, andrey, performer of the role of sergei yesenin in the sensational play called yesenin's woman. we will talk about yeseninen from

the point of view of museum exhibitions, from the point of view of a modern reader. let’s start, boris, i’ll ask you a very simple thing, what sergei yesenin takes us with today, exactly what is the main thing about him, what do you think, the main thing is that the great russian poet, sergei aleksandrovich yesenin is understandable and close to a wide circle readers, those who appreciate and his appeal to nature, but also to those who provide food for a strictly scientific mindset, pushkin, lerman, the greatest tyutchev, the greatest poets, but what if i say this, that they cannot be sung right away, so if i could tell you now asked, it’s absolutely amazing

that you’re standing bent over under a white snowstorm, well , the experiment was a success, we even sang four, it was difficult to stop, but no offense to the guns. well, or lermonova, well, not right off the bat , somehow it’s all going out onto the road, or i remember, just to the moment, beautiful romances, i understand what you’re talking about dmitry, that’s the point the fact is, probably, that there are two definitions: a poet from the people, this is very important, a people’s poet, we can certainly include alexander sergegevich pushkin among the people’s poets, probably vladimir simenovich vysotsky, mikhailovich lermontov, sergei alexandrovich yesenin, and me i probably wouldn’t take the risk of expanding this list too much. with all that, my god, my god, how our

wonderful homeland is rich in magnificent , wonderful, brilliant talents, derzhava, and lamonosova throughout the entire golden bloc century russian poetry, through the silver age, through the sixties to our wonderful contemporaries, so we can say that sergei aleksandrovich yesenin, certainly a poet from the people, but who definitely became a people 's poet, let's turn to the photographs and yet this photograph, i think that you boris, you will be able to comment on it, moreover, this is a group photograph - young residents of the village of konstantinovo, we see young sergei alexandrovich in a cap, in the middle, he is in order to put it on par - with a girl,

who he liked, uh, climbed on... how do you know this is a legend or in fact, well, we figured it out after all, since we take this kind of facts seriously , the girl is noble, of course a beauty, this is all against the backdrop of the church of the kazan icon of the mother of god, on the right the estate of sergei aleksandrovich yesenin’s parents is located, where he was born and where he spent his childhood, where he came later in his youth, when he was studying. spasklepikovskaya second-grade teacher's school, when he left konstantinov for moscow, well, just in the next photo is the spasklepikovskaya school, her students, yes correctly, i understand, yes absolutely correctly, here yesenin stands, third in the last row, he was such a serious young man, he had a lot of friends, with some he was in such highly artistic and highly moral correspondence.

shared his uh poems, uh experiences, so i look at this man in the top row, third from the right and involuntarily turned my gaze to veshkurtsev, many say that andrey, you seem to be perceived as yesenin, have you looked at these photographs yes, of course, i looked, yeah to get the role, i naturally didn’t transform myself, in no way did i try to trick myself in any way, probably someone did. i saw it by chance, anyway, i think that the most important thing when they give a role is the gut feeling, the ability, the talent, but the most interesting thing is that personally it seems to me that i become like yesenin exactly when the moment of the game occurs, and this is wonderful, well, boris, i’m turning to you again, how widespread was literacy, at the time when sergei sanovich was still very young, in the ryazan province from in particular, in the village of konstantinovo, things were

approximately the same as in all more or less large villages in the central part of the russian empire. the zemstvo school in konstantinovo operated since 1879 and they taught arithmetic there, basic basics, russian language, calligraphy, the law of god, and several other subjects; as a rule, children studied there, studying once at a time. that’s all, well, that’s the percentage, well, relatively speaking, every second person, as a rule, well, probably 90 percent, but yes, yes, after the second or third grade the percentage became smaller, yesenin zemstvo school graduated very well, uh, but he stayed for the second year, he stayed for the second year because of his behavior, even then he was , well, probably not yet a hooligan, not a brawler, that’s the kind of guy he was, that’s the kind of guy he was, that’s

it all clear. let's remind our interlocutors that zemstvo schools are a relatively recent innovation in russia , yes, this is a reform already in the seventies of the 21st century, that is, well, relatively shortly before the birth of sergei sanovich, that is, it is still something that was perceived as new , positive, yes, innovative probably, but no less , several decades have passed since their introduction, this appearance. his spiritual mentor, priest ion yakolevich smirnov, to whom he addressed in his poems, considered him a very important person in his life. yeah, it’s clear, while we were talking about the fact that, well, it’s clear without words, well, an absolutely brilliant person, a nugget, well , a treasure of the russian land, who just

grew straight from these places near og, and then, here’s what i’ll ask about, this is the combination of a city dweller, smartly dressed, a stylistically impeccable person, and a person who maintains a connection with the village, now we see him in a new look, after all , the rural remained, authentic, or was it stylized, well, you know, there are different points of view here, it seems to me that o rural, such a predominant... direction in his poetry can only be said very conditionally, look, in the twelfth year sergei yesenin leaves konstantinov and goes to moscow, in moscow he is at this

time, how old is he, at this time, about 17 years old, 17 years old, 17 years old man, he enters the artistic and musical circle named after surikov, attends lectures at the people's... university of shannyavsky, of course, he wanted this, he achieved this, and he used this time to get an education, and then , well, what can we say, where is the rural way of life and where is it - life in petrograd at that time, although of course, he played there such an operatic peasant boy, after all, he played a peasant boy, of course, according to memories, numerous memories, and then moscow , and what to say about the period of imagism, later, there are already concerts , there is a completely different story, but still

this combination of rural and urban with you is a different matter, this is a subtle state. which he carried through all his poetry was the feeling of russian nature. so, we continue our conversation, we are talking about sergei alexandrovich yesenin, about the brilliant russian poet, and today we are talking with the director of the state museum of the sergeyasanovich yesenin reserve, boris joganson, and with the actor of the moscow art academic theater named after maxim korkovova. andrey veshkurtsev, i’m turning to andrey again, but it’s very important for me to ask you, are the elements of senin, but still simple, fruitfully ingenuous in pushkin’s way, or do they contain something in your opinion, as you think? here you don’t need to show any expertise, just how

you perceive them, well, it seems to me that yesenin’s poems, poetry itself, are probably some kind of the most extreme form of expressiveness. feelings, thoughts, and yesenin made his way to a new stage in poetry, in language in general, yeah, but to say that they are simple, it seems to me, is a good word, simple, not in the sense that this is some kind of, yes, primitiveness, yes, of course, of course, they are simple in a good sense, at the same time they are incredibly difficult to decipher, to describe, this is important, but in terms of acting , it’s generally very difficult to read them and... this is not for the actor, come on, excuse me, yes, yes, yes, and it seems to me that yesenin is captivating with his youth and energy, youth and energy, yes, look at today day, and how many young people we have, you can

see yesenin in everyone, now 100 years have passed, and here we have the same active, same talented, unrestrained guys that sergei yesenin was then. they also want to live, they want to give themselves, they want to do everything, this energy and youth, it seems to me that it is very understandable for our time, too , a wonderful idea, yes boris, it seems to me that he formulated nothing wonderfully to add, maybe you should read, everything alive, special characteristics are noted from an early age, if i weren’t a poet, i would probably be a swindler, skinny and short, always a hero among boys,

often with a broken nose. i came to home to meet my frightened mother, i was talking through my bloody mouth, nothing, i stumbled, a stone, it will all heal by tomorrow, and now, when i got a cold, these days the boiling water ligature, the restless, daring force, spilled onto my poems, a golden pile of words, over each line endlessly reflects the former prowess of a bully and a tomboy, how brave and proud i was then, only my step leaps with new steps, if before they hit me in the face, now my soul is all covered in blood, i’m not talking to my mother, but to their laughing rabble that is someone else’s, nothing, i

stumbled, and the stone is all for tomorrow will heal, let’s continue this line of mine, well, not a provocative line, but still an attempt, to look at yesenin not from such a standard side, but to somehow see the problem here, after all, he’s a bully, his face is covered in blood, well, doesn’t a person flaunt this from a certain moment, yes, it’s as if he doesn’t , doesn’t he succumb to this appearance of his, well, as an actor, sometimes an actor becomes very famous for some role, enters into a series, as if they are already starting to play no no not the role, but yourself in the previous role, then there is no such freezing here, i’m actually asking both of you, a question, well, even this if there is, then why not when it is located.

there is a beautiful, poetic, brilliant embodiment, then this shouldn’t be, it remains in time for centuries, this is a crazy, mad, bloody dregs, that you are death or healing collectem, lead me, lead me to him, i want to see this man, you understand , well , this is wonderful, maybe it’s so wrong to say, but still i feel sorry for early yesenin, sorry for that yesenin. which was pushed aside by himself, of course, well, sort of into the background a little, because his early poems, conditionally early, immature poems, especially those that were included in the collection radunitsa, which came out in two editions, in the sixteenth year in the eighteenth, unless i ’m mistaken, but it seems not, there’s no brawler there, there’s no muzzle in the blood yet , he was already in life, as we know, a little later it was all the mazhenist period and moscow, obatskaya, and then pugachev , and then the rest of his works, of course, a black man, and many works

dating back to the last year, his life in 1925, but still, here are completely different lines, the lord came to torture people in love, he went out as a beggar in the middle of nowhere, well, remember, pushkin’s desert sower of freedom, or these poor villages, tyutchev. next, here is a poem, i just opened a book, quietly in a thicket of junipers along a cliff, in autumn a red mare is scratching her mane , there is such a revival of nature when - well, actually it’s not very clear what is in front of you, a hut, an animal, or grass, or a burry or rain, i adore this yesenia, well, we love this too, why not, of course, this and people like it. and uh, these poems are also wonderful and form the basis of so many - song works, the noise and din in this

creepy lair and so on and so forth, well, yes, this is wonderful, like andrey, it seems to you that yesenin - these are all these poems -he pushed it away from himself, or after all, the image of shackling is a natural evolutionary thing for him, but i think that this is the path of development and. if we say that this is a little like tyutchev’s poetry, uh, every person, at the very beginning of his path, imitates a master, a mentor, he searches, but at the same time, some roots appear, so i think it’s even more interesting to watch how it starts from nature and ends with mosca kabbat, understandable, but i’m ready to argue with you here, because in what sense, no, he doesn’t learn how to iron . and he doesn’t teach tyuchev, he’s just completely different, no, i’m not byron, i’m different, because, well, fyodor ivanovich tyuchev, of course, is a native of bryansk, and

also part and parcel of the russian province, but still 22 years old. in bavaria in italy, after all, this sophisticated noble culture, and we just saw yesenen, yes, he’s just flesh and blood, these places, tyuchev comes from schelling and philosophy, he talked with the great philosopher schelling in munich, and yesenin was at the sklepikov school, after all, schelling is not i had, thank god, interlocutors, well, here i’m ready to discuss with you, i still had education. comprehensive and access to all the literature of that time, sergei alexandrovich had, and in that chest that he went from konstantinov to moscow already lay gogol, here is pushkin, his favorite authors, and lermontov, of course, he was deeply influenced by, and many of his poems

in the first collections, especially inscribed, were under their influence. well, okay, you already mentioned the imagists, this is such a foreign word, image or image, this is an image, well, this is such a group of poets, there were not many of them, who already, well, mostly came into force in soviet times, although all of them we started earlier, this is shishinevich, this is maringov, kusikov, kusikov, yes, here is yesenin, yesenin, of course, well, of these four names you don’t even have to guess who. remained in the history of poetry, yes, the guys frolicked, of course, as best they could, they renamed the streets after their own names, they hung a sign on the monument to pushkin saying that pushkin was with them, that is, pushkin with us, so, but i think that after all, this is the current from which yesenin came out, through not, which

entered and left, yes, it is, now of course. it’s very interesting how such a unique monument to the study of the history and culture of moscow, although there is still a significant writer, there are, of course, scientific works that are biographies, and biographies that put these writers, if not in the first row of russian poetry, then as a rule they are all in plain sight, well, here is a photograph that you can comment on in such beauty, and i must say, they look wonderful here, but the time was so scary, it was the period of the civil war was still, it was a rather hungry time, you can’t say that these people , yes, or they were very friendly, they treated each other well, it’s just a pity that

the beautiful story of friendship, it was somewhat turned around by mutual... it is clear that this period is important, it seems especially important to me that they went on tour, can you imagine tyuchev on tour there, for example, or well, lermontov is not allowed, he was just early, quite easy, after all, they lived by their literary work, and of course they went to this is an important point, they are professionals, they dreamed of their own publishing house, they practically succeeded, but they traveled , they had a very wide range of trips, this is especially true for yesenin, yes, this is central asia, and

crimea, here is st. petersburg, persia, yes all this it’s clear, the trips from which he brought from the orenburg region, pukachev from persian motifs from azerbaijan, bolsitsky - this is tsikalachov - this is a beautiful poem, well, well, through the journey, let’s move on to another such, well, sort of mythologized topic in many ways, that’s the name of the play yesenin’s women, well, this is not too much emphasis, well, many women... loved, in different forms , this idea is repeated in the poems themselves, yes, this is emphasized by sergei yesenin himself, but still, what is here, sincere, truthful, tragic, and what could be so superficial here, or not, i think that this is primarily a question for the interlocutor, and not for a father with many children, a father with many children, okay, well, well,

there are several wives, there are several companions, yes, well . how do you feel about this from the inside of the play, which is so named, woman, what would you, andrey, say about this, to the women in it... he still ran away from everyone, so we came up with a concept that yesenin is a performance that yesenin is the sun, and a woman approaches him to keep warm in its rays, but as soon as... so at some point he must break off these how do you feel about this metaphor, i think i would probably agree, because indeed women played such a special

, decisive role in the fate of our great russian poet, therefore, we can say that he was still married several times, not officially to a significant person, well , officially, it seems, officially , the photograph is sidora duncan, of course, and also very important, we can look at this irma, her daughter, and there were miklashevskaya, lady ivanna kashina, who is associated with creativity, is another wonderful one.

from this circle, of course, who identified and played a decisive role, alexandrovich yesenin, well, continuing andrei’s thought, i think that, after all, sergei alexandrovich yesenin, by nature, was a rather cold person in relationships, and this... their number around him, maybe not cold, disappointingly cold in relationships, of course, well, it seems to me that as soon as love burned out, he could write poetry, in order to write he needed something to survive, love, creativity seems to provoke, yes, pushkin, well, pushkin says differently, pushkin says love has passed, a muse has appeared, that is, too much... well , such a tormented and immediate love from within needs to be distanced a little, so says the harmonious, balanced

, in creativity, not in life, pushkin, yesenin is still not so, yes, if we base our conclusions on some love vicissitudes, sergei aleksandrovich yeseninin, here it is clear, of course, he was a favorite, female and.. nothing, here, but if we we pay attention to some encyclopedic data, and highbrow scientists have deduced quite clearly, almost every day of his existence, after the sixteenth or seventeenth year, then we can conclude that, after all, of course, he was quite definite in our relationships with women, and of course, everything was not so simple, well, i think that this dispute, well, cannot be finally resolved, but if we try to resolve it, then maybe in poetry, maybe inside

the poem we will not hear our reasoning , well, kind of like that, coming after the fact and coming from the outside, from the inside, maybe , andrey, you are revered by us, i have one left for... fingers in my mouth and a cheerful whistle, the notoriety has spread that i am a bawdy, a brawler, ah, what a funny loss, there are many funny losses in life, i’m ashamed. that i believed in god, it’s bitter to me that i don’t believe now, the golden distant distances, everything is burned

by the death of life, i was obscene, scandalous in order to burn brighter, the poet’s gift to caress and scribble, the fatal seal on him, a rose with a black toad , i wanted to get married on earth, let these thoughts of rosy days not come true, let them not succeed, let them not come true. but the demons nested in the soul, which means angels lived in it. it’s for this fun of muti, going with her to another land, that at the last minute i want to ask those who will be with me, so that for all my serious sins, for disbelief in grace, they put

me in a russian shirt, under icons, to die, by the way, there’s a remark there, the poet’s gift to caress and grumble, i was rude, i made a row in order to burn brighter, well, this does not contradict the concept that boris says, but maybe maybe it confirms, maybe it confirms, yes, there was a kind of popularism and such an overly, well, obvious goal setting, but we know that lines with blood kill, rush up the throat and kill, as another poet said, yes, that is you can’t play with this, you can’t calculate it, you can’t, well, i’ll fall in love a little, and then i’ll write something, no, it all leads to death, organically and eternity, at the end of our conversation, i’ll ask you, andrei, to read the text, it’s strange, complex, which is in the process of preparation, performance woman

yesenina. work on it, served as either a counting rhyme, or a spell, or a prayer, but i know, i just heard that there is such an attempt to collect a text from different lines, different poems by yeseninan, let’s listen, i don’t regret it, i don’t call, i’m not crying, once upon a time in that girl’s cage, i was 16 years old, i am a citizen of the village, which will only be famous for the fact that the low house stoops without me, we all loved during these years, which means they loved us? goy russia, my dear, i am a mischievous moscow reveler, a red-maned colt gallops, you know from that, so i want to run after

the komsomol with my pants in my pants, that’s all. now it’s decided without return, goodbye, my friend, goodbye, you’re still alive, my old lady, i’m still alive, hello, hello, you can treat the genre differently, but it seems to me that this is really an interesting attempt, it’s very consistent what was the topic of today's... conversation, and the topic of our conversation was the eternal posthumous fate of sergei sanovich yesenin, who, like any major poet, a brilliant poet, only begins his journey when his ends earthly path, these days we understand with a special feeling how close esenin is to us, how modern he is, how strong

he is, how energetic he is despite all the tragedy, of course we didn’t talk about a lot of things, we didn’t talk, for example, about yesenin’s travels , sergei yesenin’s travels, well, were of such an educational nature, we know that he was a lot in the east , eastern, his routes are many, because they gave him, yes, who is the shaganaya, maybe you can tell us, shaganet and shaganaya, that i'm from the north, or something, well, everyone knows that, but... who is behind this, indeed, sergei aleksandrovich yesenin really loved to travel, and uh, he visited baku several times, they loved him very much there, and he collaborated with the local press, with the baku workers newspaper, of course he strove to iran, to persia first of all, but they arranged for him such a unique persia in the area in the suburbs of baku, in mordoki, he was settled in a wonderful place, this did not

contradict in any way... because you are from the north, or something, i am ready to show you the field and the high face of the moon , shagan - nevertheless shagan, you are mine shagan, so the result was such a persian, a cycle of persian motifs, which was republished several times, yeah, well, that is , this is such a wonderful synthesis, north and south and east of the west, yes, because... western dandy, especially in those years, when he was with sisidora dunka, the strange thing is that during duncan’s trip abroad, he practically didn’t have a long trip, yes, yes, maybe no, well, to put it mildly, it was looming, but his such an extraordinary scale this nature, not only nature, the point is probably in general this, probably everything in everything that was woven

around yesenin during this period, yeah, these were meetings, in immigration with his friends, with his opponents, trips to numerous places. the cities of europe, from which, of course, he received such a definite impression, a trip overseas, where he had an extremely negative attitude towards what he saw and wrote, vsekonsky at another time absolutely sincerely, that is, that is, it was unproductive, that is the west and america were less productive than the east, than the east and than its the native side, well, the native side is not discussed at all, but there is no poet who does not depend. from the land of which he was born, there is no such poet, but if you choose between the west and the east, a curious thought, it did not occur to me that yesenin, of course, is a european, american traveler, but there are much fewer visible creative results

than trips to the east, this is an important story, we strive in our conversations not to repeat what everyone knows, but still to find some... new twists, well that’s why it’s interesting to be together with those who are having a conversation in a literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read, you are watching the precious stories podcast, me and its host. arkan and today our guest is the people's artist of russia, sergei petrovich nikonenko, but in addition to the fact that our favorite actor is wonderful, he is also a great admirer of sergei alexandrovich yeseninan, he has put great effort into preserving his

memory, and i know sergei petrovich that you have been to konstantin many times, and i have been too, i remember how i was there as a little girl i was there, i came for the first time, my parents brought me, all the girls... love yeseninin , so i come out to this shore, it’s beautiful, i see aku , i understand why he wrote such poems, only there it was possible, strictly speaking, to write such poems, so this air, this is how hands are made, a very beautiful, magnificent place, you know, i first came to konstantinovo during the filming of a film about yesenin, and when we arrived, i went out for a walk, went outside the church, and there it was just beginning, towards it lifts me up... with a broken face bleeding simply here i remember in front of my eyes, meeting my frightened mother, i muttered nothing through my bloody mouth, i tripped and this stone will all heal by tomorrow

, i asked him, guy, why are you, where did you hit yourself like that, and on a bicycle i decided to roll down this steep slope, but it’s simply impossible . it’s so cool there, this cool mountain is so incredible, well, this is the first impression, and of course, this open space , which probably gave birth to sergei alexandrovich’s lines, oh my dear russia, huts in the vestments of the image, no end in sight, only blue sucks his eyes, well, we went there many times, one time was wonderful ... bitov went there, and he sat down near the church, a pebble you know well, he sits, meditates, also yes, 5 minutes pass, 10, that's it he sits, 40 minutes pass, something happened, we come up, touch him so carefully, and he looks up and says,