[000:00:00;00] this is not a good tactic in terms of the fact that i did not have an understanding of how to act, that is, well, i went there for an ultrasound, it seemed like it was no big deal, i had, i had some period of searching for doctors, yes, who were they are wary and who sent me, but don’t, as they say, the sleep of the mind draws monsters, you won’t die overnight, but here i would also like to agree. that you shouldn’t think that you ’re dying right now, that is, but you think that right now there’s another 20 minutes, he’ll take over there, i don’t know, the heart, it will stop and you will die, this is not so, you just need to gather your courage, start acting with your thoughts, that’s what is important to emphasize, not to be inactive, but to act, but with your head on, no matter how calmly you began to act, with reason, as you began to act, as soon as they confirmed to me by biopsy that

it was cancer. and accordingly, a lymph node is a metastasis of cancer, i started looking for a new doctor, because in the place where i had a biopsy, the doctor, unfortunately, was not very gentle with me, let’s just say, i was in such a limited psychological state , and he somehow rudely told me the phrase that don’t whine, otherwise i won’t treat you, and somehow i immediately realized that we were not on the same path, and... after i realized that i was not on the same path with this doctor, i wrote to anna, because she had already walked this path, and it was important for me to get her advice, as if about the doctor and further tactics. , what i want now for our viewers is to emphasize this point, that today’s structure, let’s say information society is very helpful.

you can find those people who, like anya, are... such educators, information volunteers, or on some forum you can find those people who are in remission or those who are undergoing treatment right now, maybe there are just two steps forward there has already left, this is very important, because indeed, very often, especially in the first stage of the disease, the patient really wants to be only in that circle where, as they say , nothing needs to be explained, because of course well, the first stage, when a person finds out about his cancer diagnosis, when a shock occurs, it is still always a shock, someone cries, yes, someone like you goes into thoughts that i will not live until the morning, someone she runs, as i once ran through the autumn city, i just really ran , very differently, the shock still happens, and you are with this shock, as if you are protecting yourself with a glass cube, behind which there is

a whole other... life , this seems to me to be a very common scenario in the first stage, when you find out about the disease, you separate yourself from the whole world, still appears, and the world also separates, and as the world separates, for example, you may not be invited to your birthday, i specifically encountered this, from those same prejudices, yes, yes, what we touched on at the beginning of the conversation, friends, evidence-based medicine has proclaimed this many times, that you will draw attention to your diseases, but you know, it turned out so funny, during treatment i helped not only those people psychologically, i motivated them, and as they told me, you are a motivator , you are the kind of person who is ahead walking with a flashlight, healthy people called me with their own , as it seemed to them, unsolvable situations, and i was about green in color, could not lift my head from the pillow, because side effects from

chemotherapy and advice had already accumulated, they said: an, this, this is a very strange story, that is, we are now calling a person who, well, it’s as if he’s already somewhere out there, and has walked such a path, and we almost said goodbye to you there, and you show us life, you about life, it is very important to be human during treatment about life, and how some women wrote to me, so i’m going to the dacha, i’ll wear a headscarf, what should i answer to people, why am i wearing a headscarf, i say? you say, i’m being treated, oh, it’s so simple, nothing to explain, yes , two words, i’m being treated, there’s nothing like that, and mm, i don’t know, i’m so smart, because i ’m a positive person in myself, or is it still because the first doctor i had after the oncologist was a psychologist, i immediately wrote to the psychologist because i needed a person who would speed up my path to the right one

accepting the diagnosis is very important. quickly reach the stage of accepting the diagnosis, but there are girls who do not accept the diagnosis, and it is most difficult for them, even after going into remission they continue to live with it, but how was it for you? you had some kind of feeling that your usual environment, when they found out about your diagnosis, was a little fenced off from us, and i can even call it, well, first of all, everyone was in shock, because somehow... it so happened that a large circle of my friends did not have anyone who suffered from cancer illness, so for them you know , when you watch something on tv and it happens somewhere far away, and then it happens to your friend, just like that... such a sporty yulia with red lips made up, that is me in general, this is a person who is as far away from this diagnosis as possible, and what’s more, i kind of care about health , that is, he likes to talk like you brought

it to the point where you started it, i’m a person who regularly underwent check-ups in the hospital, that is, such it couldn't happen to me even doctors say this, unfortunately, when you come, i immediately realized that you need to accept help, you need to help yourself in this situation, and how did you help yourself? actually, when i found out about the diagnosis, i stopped sleeping normally, well then i just had, i just couldn’t sleep, because in my head i had this squadron of crazy thoughts that i was dying, what to do, how was this your type of stress and shock and you helped yourself by writing to anna, yes when they found me i found a psychologist and went to a psychologist turned to a psychiatrist. for medicinal support, so that i can be prescribed antidepressants, which will help me to be in a calm, normal state , because it is important to emphasize, this is very important for treatment, not to experience unnecessary stress during it, well, which

are connected, and neurophysiologists and neurophysiologists, who deal with the problem of communication , stress and cancer, they say that this is definitely necessary... i am very grateful to the psychologist and psychiatrist, because in the shortest possible time after prescribing therapy, i my sleep was restored, my condition stabilized and i completed the treatment without delays, exactly on time, without any emotional jumps that i absolutely didn’t need at that time, girls, let’s talk about life after cancer, i practically don’t know , density, people who go into remission after cancer, they undergo some kind of colossal internal reboot, and come out with completely different

radars and sensitivity to the thrill of life, that is, you begin to receive joy unspeakable, enormous from those things that were absolutely so, you know, ordinary for you. background, you didn’t know how to rejoice, yes, you didn’t know how to get high, you understand the thrill of life when you went out, closing the doors behind you, of the oncology center or, in my case , the radiological department, so i remember how i walk along this path from radiology in winter, there was snow, lard and breasts bouncing there, and it was such happiness, just from the fact that you see this snow, snow, continues, how it will be further is unknown, but you live here now, in general, you don’t care about anything else, i even made a video of me throwing away some hundredth pair of shoe covers there, i, i didn’t even have a mobile phone then, some video i

specially filmed then posted on social networks that the stage is completed, everything is rebooted, but what’s interesting is that i’m such a fairly optimistic person in life, and sometimes they even reproached me for being happy where it seems like... and there’s nothing to be happy about, in principle, i have such a style in life that any minus must be turned into a plus, and i can’t even today i can say that cancer , the cancer diagnosis was the most difficult test in my life , i can’t say about it, it was a difficult adventure, a difficult marathon that i needed, in general, it’s not easy when you finish treatment, because the doctors are cooing with you here, you... write at any moment , and then you, like a bird, flew out of the nest, and i remember these words of the doctor, that you don’t need us anymore, come back in so much time, well, of course, there is a series of

necessary examinations, but to these doctors, so that we they didn’t see you, you’ll come there and change the implants after some time, and you’re like, that’s it, you’re alone, like in this cube, like that, and that’s it, now i’m responsible myself, you know, it’s exciting, you’re standing in front of an abyss, a huge new one... which open up in front of you and which maybe you did not give way, they are a little scary, here you have to choose, because i began to directly change my life, change jobs, change some areas, try new things, my family can't keep up with me, sometimes, we just know now that there is no draft, you live your life honestly, and this is very important to say, because i am currently in prophylaxis, that is, i am at the stage... the operation has been completed , now i am undergoing prophylaxis in the form of

a targeted drug, they will give me a drop of it until may next year, but when i left the surgery where i had the operation, they told me, we congratulate you, you no longer have cancer, and i somehow start from this, that there is no more cancer in me, and now uh i want to agree with anna that i have become very selective, that’s who i’m with i communicate, what i watch, what i do, because i understand that i should get the most out of it, because this is life, now it’s happening, no one will wait, uh, until i somehow get together or something- then i’ll decide, it’s happening here now, so you need to live here and now, and this seems to me very important, because for my many friends during the diagnosis, i crowded on them so closely so that they would go and get checked, because what am i saying, please please do something nice for me. go get checked, i'll know

that it’s not in vain that i’m going through this, if i help someone, i’ll be just happy, and they answered me something like, okay , i’ll go next week, or in a month i’ll go , or in 2 months i’ll go, and i i understand that they don’t understand this yet, this fact that life is a moment, yes , it was, it may not be, because there is no such notorious danger that constantly spurs you on. i want to talk to you about something else on a rather controversial topic: this is how it should be the status of a cancer patient, well, a person who or there is a term in the english language, we don’t have, unfortunately, a similar analogous term has not caught on, khansa survivor, a cancer survivor, in many western traditions, a person who has gone through cancer, he is in his own eyes, in in the eyes of his environment, in society, such a hero, yes, he is such a special... person, that is , you walk around with a medal on your chest, this is one

concept, there is another concept that says that you should not get hung up, yes, that’s all, it was, passed, let go, don't ask, don't remember what is more correct, in your opinion, it seems to me that there is no correct one, because, well, i’ve been on this topic for 3 years, more than 3 years, and i don’t let go of this topic, because it’s wildly interesting to me, in in principle, i was interested in medicine, and i’m wondering how it is now... i haven’t left a single chat, my area of ​​interest, in fact, one of the layers of life is focused on how medicine is developing, how science is developing, whether any new ones are appearing options for patients, yulia mentioned a psychologist and i, and perhaps people will now say, well, it’s expensive, but you know that there are foundations that provide these opportunities for free, and there are volunteer psychologists who are volunteer psychologists, and...

professional ones, so i think that , this is probably a big word mission, but this is a big part of my life that i don’t want to give up, i don’t want a biased attitude towards myself, i don’t want to be pitied, in principle, well, in my work i do everything on an equal basis with everyone else , but i have yes, let's say this is a pink ribbon icon that signals that you can come to me and ask if you have a problem, it seems to me that this is a very... dangerous concept that has passed and passed, passed and passed, yeah, not because you need to live with a disease, because there is no disease , if necessary, if the doctor said that you are in remission, live and enjoy the fact that you are in remission , because if you constantly think about the disease, this is not life, it’s you again, you are still sick, because in you're sick in your head, but it's very important to help others, that's why i i think that forgetting and... moving on there is not very good, i can say that

i get great pleasure if i help someone, even if i listen for 20 minutes to the hysteria of a woman who writes about that everything, everything is gone, i’ve been talking for 20 minutes about how i’m here, i’m with you, i can’t hug you, but i’m just like you, i’m 33, that is, women are often a little older, they’re already then they decide that life is over, but i’m 33, i still don’t have much of a life, yes, but i’m here with you, i’m holding you mentally by the hand, i want to tell you that everything will be fine, these are not just words, because you must always believe in... the outcome and it seems to me that because anya answered me, i had, i had a feeling of security, you know, that there was someone with me who understood me, in fact , actions help more, for example, and my friend and i had a tradition before chemotherapy, we went to some trendy restaurant to have breakfast, and i was not looking forward to the day of chemotherapy

as the day when i would be sick in the evening, and like that day, when in the morning we are having a great time with a friend, i stop by for a healing cocktail. i just continue to recover, this is a very correct phrase, i don’t continue to be treated, but i continue to recover, yes, among the girls we have this phrase that we are cancer patients, we are recovering from cancer, that’s what we call ourselves, no, unfortunately, today -that’s a russian phrase, yes there is a survivor, but there are people recovering from cancer, yes, it’s worth emphasizing here that i was very lucky with my... close circle with my friends, the fact that these are people who sometimes awkwardly said these phrases about holding on, but i forgave them, because i knew that they had never encountered this, they don’t know, and i want to tell everyone , he is saying to someone in recovery that if they say such phrases to you, don’t be offended

, you keep it in your head that people almost never know how to communicate with you, they don’t want to offend you, they want to somehow protect you so that ... so you just say that you’re upset, i’m nearby, everyone is mine friends and my beloved husband were there and thanks to them, i think that i am now in such a positive state , basically, i am in the mood, this is colossal support, yes, well, friends, this is how unexpectedly, positively we are talking today about cancer, about the fact that this, as you rightly said, anya, is a marathon. marathon adventure of self-discovery adventure , so don’t be afraid, live life as if everything is just beginning, in some ways this is really true, we talked today about fears of cancer, of cancer diagnosis, in front of people who are diagnosed with

cancer, and our conversation, of course , is timed to coincide with the month when we talk about breast cancer. but not only about breast cancer , of course we are talking about the test that befalls a huge number of families and people, thank god, today it is possible to pass it successfully, healthy, maintaining both health and good psyche, psyche podcast. hello, here is dmitry bak, host of a literary podcast called very important words, let them not speak, let them read. our guest today is an actor theater and cinema and writer, veniamin borisovich

smekhov. hello, benjamin. hello, let's start, if you don't mind from the very beginning, this is how it all started for you. what was in the foreground or what was at the beginning, and what then? so, so, he was born in moscow, a year before the start of the terrible war, dad went to the front, already being a candidate of economic sciences, he was already in charge of some sector in the main house of the soviet union, which was called the gas plan of the ussr. my father is a scientist, and when they celebrated him without him century, it was in the current plekhanov academy, where dad taught for many years and professor smekhov’s classroom was opened,

now when i appear in plekhanovka, my middle grandson studied there, i visited him and... several teachers approached this classroom they reported that there is a rumor among students that if you pass the smekhova test in this classroom, then this promises you good luck , well, this is a good reputation, this is a wonderful, yes, this is an ideal reputation, yeah, but my father still went to the front, in 1945 mine has begun family, what was my beloved... mother, naturally, i had nothing else in the world next to me, and do not have anything more sublime and beautiful and beloved.

we left for evacuation to the red key between chistopol and yelabuga, understandable places, yes , from the second year my mother was already forced to become a doctor, a doctor, like a successful therapist all her life, my mother, and my father appeared in a summer kindergarten with my mother, in military uniform , even then... he didn’t go to civilian clothes, so, but of course i didn’t recognize him, because all 5 years war, my mother and i received letters where dad drew me, that is, he imagined what you were like, yes, yes, these are very touching, downright sentimental letters, they have been preserved, they have been preserved, they have been preserved, how great it is, my little sister, yeah, galochka, she made a whole book out of it. yeah, in a word, dad showed up, and dad brought a bunch of gifts from germany, these were

toys, and dad brought poems from the front, like this until his death until he was 97 years old, he knew a lot of poems from pushkin to pleshcheev, copied by hand or or in books, or does it matter which ones? he loved, you remember, well, at least something there, maikovsky, pushkin, lermontov, bryusov, kozma prutkov, well, that’s enough, well, bryusov is not so banal, yes, it’s such an original thing, after all, loving bryusov for the new time , yes, but for tsvetaeva , for example, of course, of course, well, in moscow there is bryusov’s house and it is included in our museum, of course, there is no doubt about it, do you think that’s when you start reading poetry? around, well, not on stage, but somewhere at home, at the table, when people

they will find out that you remember, i remember too, a lot of poems, even though god forbid, if i’m not an actor, people perceive it with surprise or as something else, dima, when the taganka theater was born, and i was born with it, i have run out of doubts about whether i am an actor or whether i will go into literature, it was taganka and... it was a poetic genre that my beloved and i discovered, but maybe before moving on to that taganka, well, just we’ll tell you about this time again, in recent years there has been very close attention chained to this decade or fifteen years, yes, between 56 and sixty-eight, approximately how it looked from the inside, we know a set of, well, also such cliches, not cliches, well, such common opinions, and up to ... freedom, as it was seen , i felt a fresh wind of hope, a fresh wind of hope, yes, this, yes, i was already

an independent adult guy, i had already canceled my dreams of teaching russian language and literature, and i followed the lead of my inner voice, or how else to say the demon, the inner , the existence of which you know how a wonderful teacher at the theater institute, we all followed the lead of some devil, well, socrates was executed for this, because he spoke with some kind of deinion, remember, with some kind of demon, that is, not only us, but quite a long time ago already, well, he’s a good devil, positive, and the main thing in our profession, of course, is who, for example, my older friend was an amazing actor, oleg pavlovich

tabakov, a clown, a clown with a capital c, the clownery tormented me, pulled me, insomnia me my tomilla, as mozart says, yes, but here it’s more likely not clowning, but maybe irony, yes, probably so, not quite, still exactly... a clown is the one who knows how to pretend, yeah, this is a word with a double meaning, of course, with the negative with the positive, to pretend, to act with one’s face, yes, that is, to not be oneself, to pretend, to imitate life or to reincarnate, but we will go aside, well, it’s time to ataganka, senior tova, so i did. to the then best theater institute, the chyukin school, to

the young master vladimir etush, and here further i can... already remind those viewers who are also my readers, and i have described this many times, how after the end of the first year he suggested that i go into mathematics, get away from acting, that is, not even into a writer, into mathematics, he didn’t believe it, why exactly in mathematics , well, that’s how the word mathematician is rounded off, the concept is too smart, i think, but it’s impossible, the actor shouldn’t be convinced that this is so, the actor sometimes seems to outweigh his head, yes, that is he should be all skin, gesture, again let's go into technology, dim, that means, yes, indeed, being a stupid person and an actor, well, not the most interesting combination for me, but an actor is smart, well, my

favorite actors are smaktunovsky, stegneev, oleg borisov, the most beautiful, of course , these, these are super actors, because there are wonderful actors, and there are super, there was some case when marlon brondo in london asked laurence olivier, these are two giants, but young brondo, who went through the stanislavsky school in new york, when asked how you do it all, he... olivier, a genius, of all times, i am a representative of the school of experience of konstantin stanislavsky, well, what laurence olivier answered, and i don’t really know what swear words sound like in english, well, it’s roughly clear, it doesn’t matter, well,

yes, and when brondo asked him, how do you do it? that’s all, he said: you have to be good at pretending, that’s all, well, look, the common opinion is a cliche, not mine, that taganka is not very stanislavsky, even, maybe even quite the opposite, yes or whatever, that’s all -so what kind of theater was that then? then dmitry petrovich, you always find yourself in a difficult topic, which makes you tempted to go aside just about this and talk, well, a little bit, but it’s still important to open it up if there is one. there is a contrast between the theater of experience and the theater of presentation, here is the theater of experience, this is stanislavsky’s theater, the actor must penetrate inside the image, must shelter himself, feel like this person, there inside, grow in himself what

is there, yeah, but the theater of presentation, turned out to be stronger in new times, yeah, and if only because that one way or another, but in its best manifestations, this is a connection, experiences and ideas, therefore brecht , therefore mayakovsky, therefore external, yes, to go from internal to external, this is stanislavsky, to go from external to internal. this is vakhtangov, stanislavsky’s favorite student, that’s how they branched off from him, from the brilliant stanislavsky, vakhtangov towards fantastic realism, we will quote, dostoevsky, yes, and mirholt, so in some direction of the theater of constructivism, yeah, theater,

avant-garde, maybe , yes, this is the place probably, yeah, well, it’s actually surprising. again, we won’t go away, but let’s say that it’s not a person, it’s a theater, there’s haideburg, tairov, vakhtangov , stanislavsky, miirhold, well, it’s all very close, and komissarsko, it’s not too long ago, compared to those like you you know the stories well, what are you saying, i’m a spectator, i’m a teacher at the studio school, nothing more, but this is an amazing time, it was taganka who still didn’t continue anything, literally, an amateur’s judgment, but synthesized it all so twisted, so tied up what did it hit like my students say, they say: i was hit, that it hit millions of people , respecting the mode of the podcast lab, i shorten and answer, i didn’t succeed at the very beginning, i graduated with honors, at first - for the second year i was like it’s called

a non-valid listener, a volunteer listener, so... in the middle of the second year, etuzh demanded that i return, both me and sasha zbruev, my classmate, whom etuzh also deprived of certificates. course was also too smart, yes , probably not, something else, everyone, well , actually everyone was too smart, and you and i, now the shukin school is ending, and i choose , not only according to my taste, but according to the taste of that new russian literature, prose , which i endlessly loved, the opening of the magazine youth, the appearance... and i voraciously read the new prose, the young prose they said then,

yes, young prose is new, in my opinion, and there , one way or another, i heard a call to leave moscow, because moscow is not russia, it is the capital, but to go to where the real one breathes, that is, all russian literature between the two. calls to get out of moscow or to moscow to moscow, it’s just me what i came up with, but in my opinion it’s very good, we demand tronsky , krossky, prosky, prosky, trutsky, from the first... on november , on the first, i tell you, take this force,

tame it, arm it, it will sweep away, everything on its own paths, yes, my russia will say so, and we are united forever, like the sun, air and water, all over the place, the most russian will wash the bitter soul, and let my heart ache for those whom i do not ask, to breathe and believe with a wounded heart, yes, this my fight, to the last tolsa my fight, even if my pain is bad, until there are guests, the heart beats or is alive, goes to the strength in the chest.

our eternal, i go to the end, shaman, i am russian, premiere on november 4, on the first, we continue, and i remind you that our guest today is a theater actor. cinema and writer borisovich smekhov. veniamin borisovich, maybe you still read what i should be. now i will finish what i started, which means i left, of my own free will i went to the volga, kuibysh, samara , it lasted me for a year, in a year i went through a gigantic school of experience, nine performances in which i participated, three main roles , simultaneously television, radio, kapus. something else this year was damn, what a new thing in my destiny, and he was there, without him nothing happy would have happened, nikolai

zasukhin, a great artist, a great actor, and i saw how this man works, he is a front-line soldier, he came from the war, young, wonderful, a miracle actor, in general, he was my first real... after etush, and then i returned to moscow because of nostalgia for my hometown, nostalgia ate me up about this i wrote a story on the way to moscow, the story was given by my teacher, whom you probably knew, yuri borisovich borev, of course, he gave his youth to the magazine, they wanted to publish my youth story, a story about a young man who went to the volga and from there returns to moscow, that’s all. and there, of course, is zasukhin, one of the main characters.

this story was not published, thank god, but the romance with the magazine youth continued, a little later. at the same time, i entered the drama and comedy theater, because i need to earn a living and somehow live. then, which. then it became the taganka theater, through year, yuri lyubimov came to this theater, with him the eight main characters of a kind man from sizuan, the diploma performance school and lyubimov’s first director’s masterpiece described in all the theater anthologies, of course, of course, well, well, i didn’t know my fate, but i was already working in drama and comedy and was planning to leave there too, to go into literature, for sure, all the time there is some kind of fork in the road, do you

always go into literature? this is the norm for an artist for a normal person to doubt well yes, in such distances, pasternak abandoned music, abandoned philosophy, and without drawing parallels, but i kept saying something all the time, this is not the first time, he did not part with the word, he did not part with the word, but his music was manilla, scriabin , remember, everything, of course, we remember this with you, scriabin , where can i go from the steps of my deity, here , here, well... theater from the former theater there are not many actors left in whom he believed, including

three . uh, young, also yura smirnov, all volod sobolev, here i am, well, and some other a group of actors, we connected with him, with his heroes of a good man, and gave birth to this performance, a kind man and sizuana, already on the stage of the theater, opposite the taganskoye metro station, the theater was called very stupidly, dramas and comedies. we called it trauma and comedy, of course, everything was wonderful, theater was born, and life was born at 24, now it’s 7:24, yes, yes, around the clock, that means this kind of life began, that’s it, that’s how it is, that’s how life began, it was necessary, after this gigantic success, to perform

the play every day. but they played let's say, after 2 days on the third, there were some two performances left from the previous repertoire, especially a new performance , it was, it was the debut of pyotr naumovich fomenko, microdistrict, microdistrict, and fomenko himself, a man of extraordinary attractiveness, a brilliant man of theatrical art, became my god in the theater, this is the most... favorite creature in culture, if we needed somewhere with my beloved wife and your friend galina aksenova, wonderful, we had to go somewhere, i called fomenko, i say, bless, he says , bless you, let's expand the vessels and narrow them at once, long live the muses, let the mind hide , wonderful, wonderful, well, our interlocutor... remember, of course, pushkin's original,

there are no vessels, and the mind, on the contrary, does not hide, appears, but, so, remained, my soul, my brains, i don’t know, my stupidity, still held, the name closest to my heart is vladimir mayakovsky, and i am very glad, i came to visit you dmitry petrovich, because my life, let’s say, the last performance in memory of mayakovsky, began before your eyes, and quite correctly, in rome, it was, well, some amazing family of a grandiose artist who was in love, an italian, who was in love with maykovsky and came up with the book bedbug,

illustrations for all the scenes. and his wife larisa ballerina from the astrakhan theater, who wanted to arrange a grand presentation of her husband’s book, but so that the russian word would be heard, that’s it, they found my glasha, galina gennadievna, she said, well, of course, we can come, and venya will read maikovsky, he can wake up, he can always read. but he’d better come up with a performance, and i came up with it a performance for three, here you go, masha matveeva, dima vysotsky and me, in rome. after the presentation of the wonderful book bug, we play for the first time the glass play flute spine, aksionova is actually the director of the play, she is a merciless theater director,

it’s the theaters with, well, how can i say it, at the start, this is zero directing, and the theaters are already in full swing. necessarily a director, this will be your opinion, today’s, this is a formula that i attach great importance to, well, this is known, well, here the performance is going on, they are sitting in the hall, russian emigrants, soviets, well then yes, already russian, yes, russian journalists, guests, a lot of russian-hearing people. russian-speaking lovers of the italian mayakovsky, the credits are in italian and so on, you were, you were one of the dear guests of this, it was very dear to me, this evening,

so i include my first words from this performance, for all of you, which we liked or like, we keep them as icons near our souls in a cave. like a cup of wine in a table toast, i raise my skull filled with poetry, more and more often i think, not is it better to put a bullet point at the end, today, just in case, i’m giving a farewell concert, this is the beginning of the performance, and my favorite verses from mayakovsky’s favorite poem also sound there, man, in the sky of my bethlehem there were no signs burning, no one was interfering with graves to sleep with the curly-headed wise men, it was absolutely like everyone else , the day of my descent to you was sickeningly the same, and no one guessed

to hint to the narrow-minded, indelicate star, the star supposedly is too lazy to shine in vain for you, if not the day of human birth, then the devil’s star then... to celebrate and so on and maikovsky for life, maikovsky is my admission to the theater institute, i read in 140 a dream the sunset was burning at the mkhat studios school to my senior close venyamin zakharovich rodomyslensky rector, rector of the studio school yes, immortal , beloved, papa vena, as everyone called him papa vena, and from tabakovo to batalovo, he entered the school-studio, he entered... to boris evgenievich zakhava, the rector, vakhtangov’s favorite, he graduated and preferred vakhtangov, the performance theater, we continue, and i remind you that we have today our guest is theater and film actor and

writer veniamin borisovich smekhov. it seems to me that you have finally come to literature, new, new books, not only memoirs, but also books of different genres. yes, that’s what it is for you, and what seems most important to you, a memory, or your original ones, now, now i’ll combine two names, fomenko and lyubimov, fomenko and lyubimov, the theater, that is, the workshop of pyotr fomenko and taganka yuri petrovich lyubimy are different from everyone else other theaters, much more, but most of all, of course. devotion to in a word, for my beloved prose on stage was a very important genre, and poetry on stage was very important, theater of words, theater of verse, yes, that