cabbage on the ground, just tenderness, it was just as empty on the ground, and when the exuteri flew, the foliage in the gardens also fell, and i couldn’t imagine. oh, earth, how can we live without him? while he was flying, flying, all the stars gave him their tenderness.

there is a big game on the air, today the discussion of yesterday's statement is still ongoing.

president of russia about the events in dagestan , more precisely at the airport in the city of mukhachkala, and today specific facts are emerging that help us better understand the situation, what happened, who is responsible for it, and how to different forces in the world react to this. well, first, let's say what the situation is at the airport. that it has stabilized, that the airport is functioning at least normally for now, and that the security forces of dagestan, according to all available information, are doing their job with dignity, so let’s see how they will treat those who took part in these riots, now several words to those who directly participated in yesterday’s atrocities, you believe that you will not

receive the deserved punishment, you are deeply mistaken, there will be no leniency for anyone of the perpetrators, in many cases, criminal cases have already been initiated. and another comment, again from an important person for dagestan, magomet musaev, owner of forbes russia. let's listen. what happened yesterday at the airport. evokes a feeling of complete shock of shame, but a shame of such a scale, the analogue of which i have never seen or heard of before in relation to dagestan, people who with their families are fleeing the madness of war, it does not matter what nationality they are, instead of offering them blood, food, began to be bullied.

humiliation of human dignity, this casts a terrible shadow, on a completely different essence of the fabric of which the real dagestan consists, these are the assessments of the head of dagestan and one of the most prominent representatives of dagestan, a prominent russian businessman, it seems to me that there is no ambiguity here about how to relate to what happened, both the russian authorities and the russian public. now how did this happen? well, i said yesterday on - our previous program that it seems to me that it is simply implausible the idea that a crowd of thousands of people gathered, or at least many hundreds, and suddenly they went to the airport, to destroy some

plane unknown to them, to demand that people give an account of what their nationality is, what their religion is, why they are coming to dagestan, but it was clear that someone inspired these people to take this kind of action, and the head of dagestan gave his own explanation for this, it is no longer a secret to anyone, and this is not the first time we are faced with the fact that attempts to destabilize the situation in dagestan and create a protest background in in dagestan, including the use of prohibited methods associated with inciting interethnic hatred, interfaith problems, carried out by our enemies, the enemies of our country, today we

have received absolutely reliable open information that the morning channel of dagestan is administered and regulated from the territory of ukraine. this was stated by sergei melikov, the head of dagestan, but we received oblique confirmation from an unexpected source, ilya ponomarev, who has been talked about for a long time, and he himself confirmed, is actively operating, from kiev, to organize instability in russia, he himself stated that he had. with this channel, then he says: this connection was severed because it was no longer necessary, i want to remind you that mr. ponomarev had previously admitted his connection with groups that organized the invasion

of sabotage groups into russian territory, he admitted this, even didn’t so much admit it as boast about it, and his connection with those who... organized the assassination attempt on daria dugin and vladlen tatarsky was admitted, so here i don’t know whether this is enough evidence for the court, the investigative committee is conducting its investigation, and no one is guilty until there is a court verdict, but with fairly confident preliminary assumptions that there is a serious ukrainian trace here, i have this no doubt. the fact that the president denied this, well, the president is a pathological liar who has repeatedly denied his involvement in anything, including the assassination attempt on daria dugin, is now considered

an established fact, the newspaper wrote about it the new york times, they talked about it, the most misteralensky, that these attempts. in this situation, i think the reaction of american officials is especially interesting , so let’s listen to what john carby, coordinator for public affairs, strategic communications, of the national security council, said about this; by the way, he is not just a prominent official, but also a rear admiral. let's listen. the west has nothing to do with this, it's just hatred, fanaticism and intimidation in its purest form. some people compare these events with the pogroms of the late nineteenth and early years. well, from the same area, comments from state

department spokesman matthew miller. let's listen. i would say that we condemn the violent anti-semitic protests that have been threateningly reported in russia. a jew, i watched the video, i’m sure you watched it too, it seemed like a pogrom to me, even so, well, besides, mr. miller has already established that i saw their statement accusing ukraine, this is absurd, of course, i can’t give any assessment given the situation, i saw a message that arrests are possible, but i am not aware of what they are planning to do, i will only say that we believe that they should bring to justice all the perpetrators, well, in fact, bring to justice all the perpetrators, this is the position of the russian government and the leadership of dagestan, i don’t know whether, at least in the near future, it will be possible to attract all the culprits, because it seems that the customers were in

kiev, so far it is possible to attract them, but holding them accountable for their actions may prove more difficult for now. well, what i want to say is that for me the statements of these american officials seem ignorantly offensive. i'll start with the obvious: the pogroms that took place in russia at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries, they, yes, to some extent, reflected the mood of a certain part of the population, the okhotnaryads in moscow, and to an even greater extent, if you like, some declassed elements in ukraine, but pogroms, as a rule, were carried out... where they took part

or at least supported the local authorities, where the authorities, where the governor opposed this kind of phenomena, there were no pogroms, there were attempts at pogroms, but these attempts, if the authorities were against them, were successfully suppressed, i will give an example, after an assassination attempt, in 1911, unfortunately, an unsuccessful attempt on the life of prime minister stolypin, someone in kiev tried to organize a jewish pogrom, fortunately , the minister of finance from the head of the government kokovtsev was in kiev, who in the absence of stolypin took responsibility the head of the cabinet of ministers, and although the troops were called to ... where the emperor himself was in his power, having accepted

responsibility, kokovtsev called several cossack regiments back to kiev, of course there was no pogrom, so the pogrom, the pogrom, is usually associated not only with human tragedy, not only with the dispersed crowd, but with the connivance of the authorities. we saw exactly the opposite in makhachkala, there was immediate and effective prevention of a pogrom, in which , by the way, people suffered and were injured several law enforcement officials , under these conditions, instead of paying tribute to how russian law enforcement agencies behaved.

instead, to say that it looked like, if you like, an old jewish pogrom, it seems to me, is really a manifestation of ignorance, is insulting, but as for the fact that ukraine was not involved in this, i don’t know where mr. meador got such information, maybe he zelsky said so, maybe the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine said so to him, people known for their... penchant for lies, no, it was cia employees who told him that they organized all this there, cia employees, however, in their numerous interviews with the new york times, they said that the cia was worried that the ukrainian special services were going too far, and i want to remind you of the cynical provocation that the ukrainian special services tried to organize. having captured, as they hoped, russian military contractors who

were lured to belarus under a flimsy pretext, it was assumed that they would be taken to some another country in latin america, to fight there, in fact, it was assumed that this plane would be forcibly landed , would be forcibly landed in ukraine , in order to arrest these people, it was established, it was established not in moscow, but it was established in ukraine itself that president zelsky personally knew about this operation, so they wanted to organize such a provocation, blaming russia, as they made it clear to president lukashenko that these people arrived in belarus to help... overthrow, in these conditions, the official

a representative of the state department speaks about the self-evident, how such wonderful, honest people as those who rule in kiev, how could they do something like that, i want to ask you, andrei ivanovich denisov, deputy chairman of the international affairs committee of the federation council, i want to ask you: is this how you react to this situation? in this case, i react like our entire society, like absolutely in general. to generalize, there can be many different epithets here, i react with bitterness, with bitterness with extreme annoyance, that in in the tense situation that we are facing, such disgusting, disgusting phenomena have become possible, but on

the other hand, on the other hand, you know, i am always guided by the characteristic chinese doos to look from one side to the other side, and so on the other hand, the reaction of our society, and the reaction of the authorities and the reaction of the media, in my opinion, showed our maturity, yes, we missed a shot, you know, as happens in boxing, or they scored a goal against us, as happens in football, but we pulled ourselves together, we reacted, i think , what very worthy, the leader of dagestan, the head of the administration, sergei melikov, spoke, a man with vast experience in this area, professional experience, but he spoke not as a professional, not as a military man with a forty-year track record, but as a state leader, not only regional , but perhaps

also on a national scale, and of course, and of course, i am very impressed by the assessment that our president immediately... literally the next day, having gathered a large meeting, this suggests that the consequences, the consequences will be stopped, so it seems to me, as a member of the federation council, you probably monitor the mood not only in one of your regions, but also in many others, communicate with your colleagues, do you have the feeling that - not necessarily for you personally , your colleagues from some regions are concerned that anti-semitic sentiments are quite widespread in russia and that this is a force that we will suddenly have to deal with, as in spirit, as they say, nowhere, never and

to no extent , i've never heard anything like it neither from their colleagues, nor from their... interlocutors, and in general i think that in our society this is simply impossible, there is another danger, we still have the seeds, the seeds of islamic or islamist, so to speak, radicalism, in our the soil is still sown, it is there, here, of course, the distance to various kinds of such violent, extremist actions is short and passes quite quickly, so apparently we need to pay more attention to this, and as such anti-semitism, well, it is completely on our soil it has not taken root and does not manifest itself in any way. thank you, vitaly vyacheslavovich naumkin, scientific director of the institute of higher studies of the academy of sciences, academician, and

indeed, perhaps the most authoritative russian high. i know that you, among other things, are familiar with the caucasus and with the muslim islamic movements in russia, are these movements really so easy to inspire on an anti-semitic theme? no, i think it is very difficult to inspire them, very careful work has been carried out here by those intelligence services that you, which you mentioned, it is quite obvious that this is a strong opponent and it is no coincidence that this was... timed literally to the next day after our president gathered the heads of the confession and called on everyone to strengthen interfaith, interethnic peace, calling it one of the main achievements of our life, of our society, which is true, i agree with andrei ivanovich that this is exactly the case, and there are no

grounds for any seeds to sprout, anti-semitism or anti-islam. in this case, there may be different options for such hatred, reasons for this there are none, but of course, it is true that after the years that we experienced not so long ago in the fight against various organizations banned in russia, something remained, some trace of these people, of those who were the engines of these movements. the leaders of these groups, as evidenced by the huge number, literally thousands of people from these regions, regions of the north caucasus. who went to study at islamist radical training centers for people, mainly in the middle east, they are there today, they are

sympathizers of both al-qaeda and the so-called of the banned islamic state, of course these people were the ones who apparently called for these events , which... were called pogroms, although this is not entirely accurate, it must be said frankly that on that plane that flew from israel there were local people national groups, in dagestan there are two national groups, it is a multinational republic, one of the journalists remembered here, catching the words of de gaulle, who said about france that it is difficult to govern a country where there are 256 varieties of cheese, it is even more difficult to govern such a republic, but they ruled well, and there was no hostility there, there were these two groups that were there, these are the tats, these are the mountain jews, no,

the mountain jews and the tats are two different groups, some, yes, some of them are muslims, the tats , and others, jews are jews, or as they are considered, perhaps, judaized, judaized, subjected to, accepted judaism. at one time, the same tats, and they lived wonderfully , lived wonderfully, firstly, they generally flourished and there was complete trust between all these groups, so no one could even imagine that such an unexpected explosion can happen without an external impulse, it was quite obvious that it happened, thank you, konstantin valentinovich sevkov, leading military expert and regular participant in our program, you heard what your colleagues said, uh, that serious anti-semitism is not visible in russia, you heard that in general- then, even the islamists do not have any strong

, regular anti-semitic impulses, but nevertheless, what happened happened, and many western commentators, they feel satisfaction from this incident, hope, they remember the chechen wars basayev’s invasion of dagestan, they remember the recent incident with wagner, which few people expected, and they say, well, look, maybe there are these people who went to riot, maybe they did it not because they don’t necessarily hate jews, but because what do they have...' great opposition to the authorities, they especially don’t like it when their children are called up for military service, do you have the feeling that in

the caucasus there is still some kind of, well, if you like, not up to finally understood by us, a flammable material that can be used opponents of russia, i will start with the fact that ... nazism, with which we are at war, and the phobia against peoples, including anti-semitism, are two sides of the same coin, it cannot be, the phobia against the people is separated from nazism, when we are fighting against nazism, we must also strictly suppress all kinds of such people-phobias, first, second, what i want to say is that there are no bad peoples, there are bad politicians, bad governments. and bad leaders, so when we speak, this is primarily addressed to those people who

they oppose politics there in such a harsh way, they essentially work against their country into the hands of the enemy, this time, as for combustible material, it means flammable material, it cannot be single, it is always a mass, this mass is always formed on the basis the entire complex. problems that exist in society as a whole in the state, today we must say that in russia, as in any other state, look at all of europe and the same states, the situation there is much more explosive, there are always similar, dissatisfied with the situation of the layers in western europe, we see their example enough, so now there is no escape from this, so the fight is against these directions.

first, this is the harsh suppression of bad politicians, bad leaders, without this, all these problems cannot be solved , as for the situation, in this very thing, what happened in dagestan, there is clearly a clearly worked out game here, the game, of course, is not ukrainians, ukrainians could only be one of the technical performers, this is the work of very well trained western intelligence services, good puppeteers, that’s right, i most likely used the expression puppeteers when he said who is absolutely, absolutely right. but we only need to remember one thing: no puppeteer can ever do anything like this if there is no base for it, therefore, there are two directions, we cannot destroy the puppeteers in the form of mi6, the same cia, these are those who work in their interests , regardless of positions and posts, sometimes they do not even secretly announce that he is a spy there, but simply through his activities leads to this matter, creating a secret service the ability to do this, regardless of positions and titles, this is very important,

fortunately this is now beginning to be done. again, konstantin yesterday, when we talked about this situation on the program, one of the participants expressed concern that the powerful words of the president, that they could somehow hang in the air, and it seemed to me personally that this was an absolute natural concern, but however, one must understand that although it is not always easy to move the bureaucracy, force it to go in a new direction, and admit it from my point of view, it is not frontism, but recognition of reality, but on the other hand, you need to understand, of course, the president had to first coordinate everything and then announce the measures taken, it seems to me that he took a different path, he went to... well,

i’m not afraid to say very a personal statement, a very personal statement without a teleprompter, it was clear that he was working on it until the last moment, it was obvious that only the first person of the state, perhaps, i’m not afraid to say, is obliged to state the position of the authorities, this was done. and then i’ll imagine a little imagine how presidential orders are carried out in russia, especially on this scale, and of course, not everything happens so quickly in russia, and i don’t know what you think, senator, we can expect that there will be a elaboration of a whole range of measures, maybe even the emergence

of course, we will see some new... attempts to shake up the situation in russia, steps that would help, after all, this did not happen out of nowhere, it didn’t start yesterday, certain measures were taken, are being taken and will be taken, quite serious, not the first year and not even the first decade we we are faced with these forces, they are becoming more and more complicated, the work of those who are authorized to resist them is becoming more complicated, and the president , as far as we all can see, is leading this process of confrontation quite effectively, his will reaches, as they say, to the lowest levels of the executive branch, i would like , so that it will be like this in the future, although, of course, although, of course, i’m here , i’m partly ready to agree, well, in the part that concerns this particular issue with

my respected colleague, it’s quite possible, quite possible, that some kind of structural, rearrangements, do you know why? for precisely, as you rightly said, to reduce the influence of bureaucratic subordination, commands need to be communicated more directly, faster to the performers, we need to react faster, by the way, i’ve already talked about this in general ... in makhachkala, the events at the airport were just so positive the moment was a quick reaction, just a quick reaction, it would be good if it were like this in the future, not just good, we should all be sure of this, but the factor of unborn officials is still there, there’s no escape, of course, of course, i mean this is what i’m saying, i should have talked about it, you need to understand that a non-born official, in the current conditions, is no longer just

a non-born official, yes, of course. this is an enemy of the state, they know him well and regularly meet with him, in one voice, they said that they had rarely seen a president so motivated and so focused on achieving results, it was not a staged speech, no, the person was extremely collected, of course, second, i’ll allow myself to share my, america’s, positive, and i’m never afraid of it, because in america a lot of things don’t work or work against russia, but there are things where you can learn something, but there are things where you can learn from ours. here in the united states there was a terrible disaster on september 11th. and of course, this , this event, this misfortune had many reasons, but one reason was the services, and when

some had information that some terrorists were penetrating inside the united states, they could have had some evil intentions, but they not shared with others and not with anyone... the full picture, now less misfortune is also not fortunately there was a terrorist attack during the boston marathon, because the relevant structures warned that the tsarnaev brothers, that when they were in russia, that they had some very suspicious extremist contacts. and the federal security service, the relevant russian structures, were informed about this, but the american ones really don’t like to challenge political correctness,

political correctness dictated that when an organization like the fsb informs an organization like the fbi that something unfavorably with people from chechnya, then in order to do something about it, but the people who made this decision in the fbr, they didn’t even reach the leadership, it’s one thing to imprison someone, someone then to punish without trial, and another thing, in the presence of such signals, to establish some kind of surveillance over these people? even this was not done, and of course, it is very important that in russia there is a new, dare i say, interdepartmental system of coordination and delivery of information to senior

management, by the way, in israel we are now we know that there were signals about an impending hamas attack, but this is how these signals reached the leadership. so they were taught that, in general, they didn’t pay much attention to them, and you can, of course , blame everything on prime minister netanyahu, but you can say that, unfortunately, in bureaucracies there is a tendency if you assume that the leadership has something... if they don’t like it, then even if you report something to them, you will report it to them in such a way as not to make matters worse. don’t upset me, of course, with this trend, it seems to me that in russia we need to very very to fight seriously, we must understand that this tendency is natural, that it is far from being unique to russia, but nevertheless we must deal with it, i have a clear

feeling that this is understood in the top russian leadership. we're going out to advertise, we'll be back in just a few minutes. gin snob, a product of the stellar group. there's a big game on the air. the eyes of the whole world are now focused on gas, of course, also on israel, of course, also on iran, of course, on what is happening in libya, and to some extent syria. even, it seems, in other countries, the middle east, including yemen, that some events related to gaza are starting to take place there, but before we discuss

broader geopolitical issues, let's ask konstantin sevkov about the ongoing and upcoming military operation, this is what netanyahu says about it, he announces that israel will not stop the war until complete victory, let’s listen, i want to clarify my position. ceasefire, just as the united states did not agree to a ceasefire after the bombing of pearl harbor or after the terrorist attacks of september 11, 7 attacks october. calls for reconciliation are calls for israel to surrender to hamas, to surrender to terrorism, to surrender to barbarism, this will not happen. the bible says there is a time for peace and a time for war, now is the time for war, war for our common future. and netanyahu announced that the third stage of the operation had begun, let’s listen. we are in the midst of a war, we have set ourselves

a clear goal - to destroy the military and regime potential of hamas. we do this systematically. first of all, the braking stage is completed. the second stage is constantly ongoing attacks with air. the third stage is the expansion of ground penetration into the gas sector. sahal does this in measured, very powerful steps, systematically, moving forward step by step. as they say, i understand prime minister netanyahu as a human being; he is in a difficult situation. after everything that hamas did to israel, after the destruction of hundreds, more than several hundred innocent people, every day there are some new stories about victims, i repeat, women, children, civilians, of hamas reprisals, but in general, somehow... then probably for an israeli politician, but not to

end, to complete this operation without getting rid of hamas and without eliminating hamas’s control over gaza, it seems to me that this is a completely understandable feeling, but when yesterday president putin said that emotions can be the most understandable and legitimate, but for a statesman emotions it is impossible to be guided, he of course spoke about the situation in russia. but in general this statement is quite applicable to the situation in which the prime minister of israel finds himself. we understand that he has legitimate indignation, we understand that he has pressure from his voters, but nevertheless, this does not relieve anyone from responsibility for their decisions, and so that the decision does not worsen the situation, this is what netanyahu is really going to do, and how it is possible. carry out this operation, but without any absolutely

colossal casualties among the civilian population. this means that the task that sets the political goal , which was announced by the prime minister of israel, involves taking control of the entire gas territory, the gas territory is 376 km of continuous urban development, with a very dense, unprecedented dense population. there is probably no denser distribution of civilians in the world , so this operation will inevitably be accompanied by two things, the first is monstrous casualties among the civilian population, the second is large losses of personnel of the israeli armed forces. it will be more difficult than the capture of mariupol, more difficult than the capture of bakhmut, these cities are smaller in area, these cities do not have such a developed underground system. tunnels that are in gas, so this is a very

difficult task, the proposed options the use of weapons of mass destruction, such as chemical weapons, pumping gases into them, this has been discussed periodically, this will be an extremely dangerous step, since in these tunnels , in addition to military gas, a large number of civilians are hiding from bomb attacks, which means the second factor that is discussed ... to say, in addition to large losses, and this is associated with losses of civilians, this is the changing position of the countries of the arab and non-arab world, as casualties among the civilian population increase, the actions of israeli troops in in this direction, we should expect an increase in the activity of iran, up to the possible entry into this conflict, turkey , jordan, which has already stated that if israel

pushes out the palestinians here, it could offend the war in egypt, and the further the operation drags on, the more countries will oppose such methods and methods of warfare. and israel, because the solution to this problem, has only two ways. the first way is to wipe out the face of the city and, together with the population, occupy the devastated area. this will certainly lead to monstrous ones, not by protest, but by an action, perhaps open by other countries, against israel. on the other hand, there is another way, this is the way we acted, in the same mariupol, but in any case it will be a protracted, quite serious conflict, mariupol took more than a month, yes, it will be much longer here, because the area is much larger, in mariupol there are not so many underground passages, the most unpleasant

thing for israel is that when entering a battle within the city limits, where... uh, there is no possibility provide direct fire support to the advancing troops, because the fire battle takes place from a distance of 50, 100, 200 meters maximum, and the radius of destruction of, say, missiles is 300-400 m. therefore, you can’t beat the dispersion of shells, everything else is that uh, the technological superiority of israel, that’s in urban development will be largely leveled out, therefore a very difficult task for the idf, which was set by the prime minister of israel, a very difficult task for the prime minister of israel in terms of conducting foreign policy. it's a very difficult task, i i believe that based on the current situation,

they will be forced to accept israel to a certain agreement, in the case where there were losses, a protest. these two lines inevitably converge, this will be a point of reconciliation; i hope that a normal civil organization, in which hamasu belongs, will still be restored in this enclave. there will be no, thank you, about reconciliation, i am sure that israel will not have reconciliation with hamas, but if it appeared, if they found a way to create some other system of government there, then a lot

it probably could have been possible, the floor is yours, well, it seems to me that now it is not necessary to tell any other administration in conditions when such a miracle... attacks on civilians in gas under the pretext of killing hamas fighters, it seems to me that it is difficult to foresee any then for now, a solution other than israel’s ongoing attempts to destroy all hamas members, simultaneously destroying everyone who is close to them, is difficult, because today there is already evidence that more than 8,000 civilians have died, and if the aon and the un institutions are right, who say that 70% of them are women and children, then this is terrible, simply terrible , we don’t know other examples like this, these are 6,000

innocent people, we are not talking about justifying what they did, especially in the first days , and the hamas fighters who came there, but the point is that what israel is doing today is, in my opinion, unacceptable, it is already causing a very harsh reaction from israel’s neighbors, our neighbors, the entire islamic world, and this will happen, so whatever you say, of course, it really works in your favor to those puppeteers who would like to restore the islamic world against all normal states, and above all ... russia, let’s not forget that our new formats, where we unite around us, there are already a lot of states from both the global south and the global east, this and brix, and the sco, where there are many islamic states that today are very

wary of the prospects for some kind of settlement, this includes saudi arabia, and the emirates and other states and... asia, where, of course, protests are growing very much, all over the world is growing protests on what israel is doing, and how today netanyahu and his government will deal with these protests, and what they can come up with, the ideology of what they are doing, in addition to the stuff that appears all the time, that some will new bombs that seal the entrances underground, then the deportation of the eviction of all palestinians not ha in all palestinians to egypt and the liberation of this entire territory, which will be placed under israeli control, nothing else is proposed, and we generally do not know anything, what details from those plans which today, the plans that israel is hatching today, and which would differ from this wholesale

murder of innocents, in addition to the fighters on whom they are taking revenge, i don’t see, a quick question, and mr. sevkov does not see the possibility of a military victory for israel, for an acceptable political price , you don’t see the possibility of reconciliation, but what opportunity will you see then? i think that it will be possible to talk about some kind of reconciliation only when these crazy plans of the netanyahu government fail , they must fail, because that it’s impossible to fight, i don’t know, terrorism, against threats to your population, to ensure the security of your population

, when it becomes clear that you need to act differently, i think that then new times may come, but now i don’t see any possibilities change something, that’s what the professor says, naumkin, but i’ll say one thing about the professor, who, to put it mildly, doesn’t need my recommendations, but what is called for the purpose... cooperation with israel, it’s true, that’s what you’re saying now so this is special for me weighty, let's go to advertising, we'll be back in just a few minutes, the senator, and before that the ambassador, will tell us whether we can hope for anything from the united nations? a charming person and a favorite

of all generations, frekenbock is a housewife who challenged everyday life. and to myself, fantastic, next level, on friday, on the first, the big game is on air, we learned the hard way not to expect too much from the united nations, but sometimes an organization can do something useful, and sometimes you simply turn to someone

other than her, because there is no one else to turn to, and you want, even without suffering from excessive optimism, to allow the united nations to play some role as a mediator, such an attempt was made by the un secretary general, but this attempt was very sharply interrupted and condemned by prime minister netanyahu, and israeli representatives to the un generally demanded that the un secretary general resign because he allegedly allowed himself to insult israel in such a way, senator denisov, who was ambassador to a number of major countries, including, of course, china, but you were also ambassador to the united nations. tell me how you react to this behavior of israel, and

is this just a storm in a teacup, or a refusal of any, at least some real opportunity to seek a compromise. yes. uh, you know, dmitry, i will respond in response to your words that, at the very beginning of the speech, that there is no one else to turn to, there really is no one. the un, with all the costs, with all the weaknesses locally, it is the only international organization with, as we say, universal legitimacy. we, humanity, if you like, don’t have any more such structures. in the un, such a phrase is very common, everyone there knows it, which was said by one of the founders of this organization, in the forties, that it is being created not in order to pave the road to heaven, but in order to prevent

the fall into hell, right now we are right on... the edge of this very fall, what is happening at the un, in my opinion, i of course judging from the outside, the information is very fragmentary, most often has such, as they say, an external character, but nevertheless, it is nevertheless clear that something is happening , perhaps even more terrible than our idea of ​​​​the current situation, is happening the growing, as you can see, the growing split between north and south, when the position. sides are no longer determined by some arguments, right or wrong, by some goals, again righteous or unrighteous, let’s say, but by some irrational moments, irrational approaches, which, unfortunately, unfortunately, will prevail over not just the logic of political decisions, but even over common sense;

i would include this story with yellow stars, which the israeli delegation to the un decided to wear on itself, to such manifestations, absolutely right , it is extremely rare that it is good or appropriate, most often it goes to a minus, but here there is some kind of double minus, because he, this is not just some kind of meeting, krasnobaev, who, so to speak, talk about politics, this is an intergovernmental organization, everyone there works, whom we see on the screen and their apparatus, which actually does all the work, because what we see is not even the tip of the iceberg, this is the very tip of this tip, all the work is done on the sidelines, so that’s everyone who is there works, express an intergovernmental position, and not what they themselves think about this , therefore, this kind of outrageous

behavior is not only... unworthy from a moral point of view, it is also deeply vicious from a purely formal point of view , because it is, it is just even more strengthens this irrational note and further complicates the path to finding, well, at least some common points, you still have to look for them, one way or another, you have to at least, at least on the sidelines, even if it’s not indicative, but try , to build bridges, we see that it is not only difficult, that at the moment it may be impossible, but uh, if, if you finally lose optimism, then it is better not to work at uon. for many years, the ambassador of russia, he was such a wonderful person as vitaly churkin, absolutely true, and - he often visited,

if you like, tough showdowns with american representatives, and for me it was surprising that when i talked with my close friend, colleague, ambassador zalay khalizad, the american ambassador to the un, who was then the american ambassador to iraq, did a lot of significant things , he was actually the viceroy in iraq. khalizad told me: listen, if you see vitaly, as he called him, say hi to him, i still think with great warmth about the time when we worked together, i of course conveyed this to churkin, and he said, yes we of course, he says, we disagreed with khalizad in many ways, but on a personal level

we had not just normal and good relations, and then suddenly the obama administration called me, who was the national security adviser, she said, you invited me to come to such an event, and i not only accept the invitation with pleasure, but i will also be ready if you want to say something there, i was pleasantly surprised, because let’s say, within the framework of that there is such a short but correct statement, and then she told me, i really wanted to meet you, because i heard a lot of good things from you from our mutual friends, i

said, yes, he is vitaly churkin. of course, i was amazed that the words of the russian ambassador, good words about someone in washington, could be perceived not as... a criminative circumstance, but on the contrary, as evidence that maybe you can talk to this person, i mean to which i say that from these difficult, but in general, still civilized times, we have completely moved away from the un, completely, at least to the extent that i know, and of course, the responsibility for this lies with the united states, unfortunately, yes, this is so, and i have repeatedly heard from russian representatives, including representatives to the un and the ambassador in washington, that they are quite open

to dialogue with the united states in different formats at different levels, but america says no, tell me, mr. ambassador, am i exaggerating if? that among the many, among the many factors that have led to the situation we are faced with in the case of gases, one important factor is fixation the united states in ukraine, the subordination of american foreign policy to the requirements of this comprehensive struggle with russia around ukraine. and a refusal, an actual refusal, to have any serious, constructive dialogue with another leading nuclear power.