checks all interactive stands, this one, apparently, creates a digital avatar in an instant, and a helicopter cockpit simulator creates the effect of flying over the capital of buryatia, ulanuda. again , sergei kiriyenko today announced important news for the participants of the new competition, this is our family presidential platform, russia , the land of opportunities. the deadline for submitting applications for participation has been extended. the president, as always , turned out to be absolutely right, because today’s number is already more than half a million people. and approximately here we are now going to day around 7-8 every day on november 4, national unity day, we planned to stop accepting applications, but the flow of applications did not subside, so we decided that there was no need to make restrictions on who else we managed to meet today at vdnkh, in one of the most remote corners of the exhibition in russia

, dmitry patrushev, your sheep, our sheep, yes, those with black heads, these are meat ones, these are meat dorfers, yes, everything that was allowed to the head of the ministry of agriculture today will be allowed to everyone else tomorrow, well, here’s another exclusive shot from the accelerator or if you like collider, which everyone who comes to the vdk simply must go through. two hundred meters of what feels like limitless digital space sets the tone for absolutely the entire exhibition. impressive, yes, in fact, the largest cinema, yes, that has ever been created, uh, here there was a desire to display everything that the people of our country, citizens have done over the past 6 years, have done for the development of our cities, education system, system healthcare, economics and many other interesting things, so i think here everyone can see what concerns him personally, and from the point of view of how the country is developing, as a country... forward, konstantin

panyushkin, yuri sholmov, andrey morozov, daliyadino, natalya, kiril danilov, andrey kirilov, channel one. the magic of the east and stars of the first magnitude on ice. tatiana navka's grand show, shaherizazada's love story in moscow. about the unifying power of sports and art, anastasia kobozeva. the latest instructions from the director of the play by olympic champion tatyana navka, a show that has already won the hearts of hundreds of thousands of spectators throughout the country, as always, should be held on top. it consumes, takes away from me a huge amount of strength, energy, and now i’m talking to you, everything is bubbling and bubbling inside me, i’m worried, i have to control every, every moment, starting from the creation, from the idea, from directing, there are costumes, naturally, music, ending with technology, projection, this ice fairy tale is special, a reading of the thousand and one nights that is unlike anything else, a flight of fancy at the heart of the plot is a love story, the distorter scheherizade. the main

role of olympic champions nikita kotsalapov and victoria sinitsina. the guys say this is a show they have performed fifty times already, and each one is like the first. we don’t play, we somehow naturally try to convey all this. we live in these images, we really enjoy skating them, and from the very first show, we... somehow we got into it, probably not even from the show , from training, from the production when we just started doing this, enchanting oriental choreography, stunning scenery and special effects, unique costumes, all this immerses the audience in the atmosphere of the east. the love for figure skating developed long ago borders of our country, on the spectator stand you can now see guests from the united arab emirates, in this country today is the day of the national flag and the embassy of the united arab emirates. in russia

they celebrate the holiday in such an unusual setting. i express my gratitude to dear tatyana navka and her team. raise the flags of russia and the united arab emirates. on this day we emphasize the friendship and relations we have between the two countries. sport can become another bridge of friendship between the two countries. popularity of figure skiing in the united arab emirates is gaining momentum. yes, in this hot country ice is no longer exotic. and the figure skater from dubai, zahra lariri - once again proves that our viewers remember

this athlete from her performance at the universiate in krasnoyarsk in 2019. our champions are also familiar with the dubai ice, who knows, perhaps soon the viewers of the eastern country will see shaherizade in russian readings, a start has already been made . anastasia kobazeva, dmitry remizov, tatyana shilina, channel one. the power of memory is great, there is something terrifying in the diversity of its countless depths, this is what avreli augustine wrote in his famous

confession. hello, today we have gathered our thoughts about memory, about its secrets and mysteries. dmitry petrovich bak, literature specialist, candidate. philological sciences, evgeniy germanovich vodolaskin, writer, doctor of philological sciences. friends, i am very glad to see you. it's mutual. who else if not you to talk about such a topic, and you know, i want, i have a pre-question, perhaps, a warm-up question, memory, is it more about hope or damnation? evgeniy germanovich? well, memory - this is something that you often want to get rid of. in fact, this is so, sometimes you want to forget many things, so in some ways there is a trace of the curse, but memory, it gives hope in the sense that if it is a good memory, a good memory, then they give

hope, something it will happen again, petrovich, what do you think, you know, after all, i would put hope in the foreground, because well, we know that the curse of the family, which can weigh, hang, weigh on itself, it definitely exists, yes, because that the golden age is replaced by a silver one, and further until iron, but nothing good happens to the world, therefore, always - memory speaks of a curse, but on the other hand, memory speaks of the best, precisely because the past is happy, this childhood, for example, it almost always has a shade of happiness, a sinless, transparent existence, and the more you remember, the more you hope that at every moment you live in your fullness, and not in the incompleteness that seems to you, the right vanity, i just now, when evgeniy germanovich you said that sometimes you want to get rid of something, yes i thought i remembered, or rather the thought, not my thought

, that this is what confession is, it’s a cry to god, lord, don’t remember me like this, that is , don’t remember me committing this act, forget. well, it’s funny to ask god to forget something, but that’s the whole idea, well, not repentance, but repentance is probably based, no, moreover, i believe that repentance, confession is overcoming time, you return to the time before sin, as it were, because this sin is washed away, it goes away, the only difference is this, you return to the old time, but with memory... sin, this is already a hint of the absence of time, of the absence before and after, and there is simply a repentant sin, and there may be a desire to prevent it from happening

again, it is washed away, but the scars remain, the scars remain, well the famous line of pushkin, but there are strictly sad or shameful options, i don’t wash them away, yes, this is a very important story, that even if you want to get rid of the memory, i agree with my wife, then the work is not to get rid of it, but to understand that this is given for something, well, because there is no tests of superpowers, we understand perfectly well, even if it is a bad memory, a memory of a sinful state of soul or an act, it is still not given in order to be equal to it, memory is what makes us unequal to ourselves in the best sense, look how naturally we now move on to the actual content part: let’s move on to the concept of equal not equal, yuri mikhailovich lotman said that a person is memory, culture is memory, i always tell students that you don’t need a lot of evidence to substantiate this, imagine that you wake up tomorrow and don’t remember anything, yes, what you don’t

remember is not there, that is, it turns out that memory is a culture-forming phenomenon, excuse the involuntary academicism, and a human-forming phenomenon. and the question then is: is a person identical to memory or forgetting or not? there is wisdom unburdened by knowledge, that’s who is with the old people... he doesn’t remember any specific things, but at the same time he is wise, he is absolutely error-free in his choice, although he cannot justify it in any way, maybe something tolstoy had this in mind when he said that when a person leaves for another world, he takes with him memory, but memory not of specific events, but memory as a certain sum of ideas of good and evil, that’s... an extract that already exists in isolation from

specific events, that is, the memory of an old man is the memory of a child, i’m not saying that a person falls into a state at some point, i mean more in this sense, we are approaching our beginning, so this is the same lack of fullness of memory as in childhood, but only the village. experience does not disappear anywhere with experience, extremely interesting, to be honest, at the beginning, when you said not burdened by memory, i grinned, because a different associative series arose for me, but there is a lot of wisdom, a lot of sadness, i thought that you were talking about this, but you are talking about something completely different , yes, about wisdom, which is filled with sadness, probably in some sense, yes, but now he can afford to not remember some individual episodes, yes, yes, absolutely right, i don’t know, an improviser, it seems to me , what is it from the word and mother and take,

memory, yes, it is always selective, it is impossible remember everything, and zhenya is absolutely right and wise here, yes, that is, we are not talking about some details, episodes, they can also be remembered, but it is important that memory constructs itself, yes, i will return my previous thoughts, it changes me , but the task of a person is to remember himself as correct, besides, well, that’s all, but what does it mean to remember himself as correct? and you know, a person very often still records different moments in his life, especially a believer, he thinks about how to preserve the main thing for himself, correctly in a moral sense, that is, again to that, what we were talking about is happening, yes, to catch yourself correctly, there are different things in life, there are delusions, there are sins, but it is important to catch construct to see what is right about yourself, because i am the same boy who hid under the blanket from his mother reading books , i am the same boy who will not be a boy, but someday will die at this moment, like everyone else. yes, but it’s important to remember yourself correctly, this is acceptable at any moment, in youth, in

old age, yes, absolutely, we said, by the way, before the start of the adante program, it’s an amazing plot, i’m not sure it’s found anywhere else in this form, it has two rivers, summer and evnoe, summer is a river that washes away bad memories, then a person goes to evnoe, which... .. this is a good mind, yes, if i put it correctly, again, yes, this is probably true , maybe this system, it should work like that, who knows, dante, in general, was not like that, especially on purpose spiritual authority, but the very idea of ​​something like this is very close to me, because even the idea of ​​adda, there is such an opinion,

that hell is the impossibility of getting away from bad memories, that when you see all the beauty of paradise, then at that moment you become incredibly ashamed of yourself, this memory burns, maybe that’s what it is, well, that’s what your chagin is suffering from ? he does not know how to forget, he cannot forget his betrayal and this is really so, absolutely true, he either , like judas, must hang himself, and either repent, so he repents, and the sincerity of this repentance allows him to come up with a new poem by odisi, in which he gives its new life, i am far from... convincing the reader that you just need to rewrite, no, you need to repent, and then

as such a gift, maybe, maybe, i’m not not saying, but rather a question, can uh, get away from bad memories and stay with good ones before death, today we gathered our thoughts about memory, its... secrets and mysteries dmitry petrovich bak, evgeniy germanovicholan, i am vladimir ligoido, we continue. but look, memory is not only that we forget something, but something we remember. by and large, augustine writes about this, he says that this is like this. a palace in which memories are stored, which are either an understatement or an exaggeration, in any case, there is no interpretation of this word gustina, the construction of selectivity, and reality, and in fact, in a broad sense, i have this question in a narrow sense, a little narrower, then the question of the value of memoirs as historical documents, because in general, what

memoirs are is the memory of an individual. and the memoirs of another contemporary about the same events will be how should others perceive this? well, if you allow me, i would still start with forgetting, so that this topic does not disappear, because in this earthly vale we are always faced with the realization that we have to forget, yes, something completely different, yes, i’m still time i repeat the quatrain of my beloved georgy ivanov, if a new life, oh soul, opens in a black grave, how good it must be so that we forget about the earthly, yes, that is, this moment of possible forgetting of what seems valuable is always present in the face of, well, some other memory, this is not a memoir, of course, a memoir, this is a personal experience, yes, yes, well, a memoir, it’s natural,

a memory, but it’s like that, a memory... very truly selective and special, this is not what actually happened in quotes, because the point is the most mysterious point, in general, by the way, even at the stage of perception, here we are sitting, the three of us, and we see completely different things, that’s not even the point, what we. kaplan, when i consulted him, about roman chagin, he said that even at the stage of vision, vision - this is not optics, this is the brain, the picture is formed in the head, not in the eyes, and a person is able

to see what was not there or not see what is, right away. at the entrance - it’s a completely special picture, and how it’s all later remembered in memory, what changes it undergoes, it’s only in general, one can be surprised, that is, memory, it, uh, stores completely different things, it’s not like what five cameras cost and five identical photographs are taken, this is a completely different story, and memoirists need to, well, at least be checked, well, yes, if we want and historical, i just know, something else i thought about, here the bridge is thrown directly to the topic of imaginary memories, not just interpretations, again in chagina there is this nikolai ivanovich, and this story about a business trip in chagina’s britain, i honestly i’ll say, i still want to think

that this is silent, when in the end i think that he came up with it all, i don’t like it, i will assume that it was, but it’s us. in fact, here is another kaplan, ours, the author of a wonderful fama, he is in his in an article on chagin, yes, he wrote that he, as a mathematician, immediately remembered complex numbers , parts of which are imaginary quantities, but the point is that this creates a kind of volumetric vision, and then you know, i immediately begin to think further, i remember lotman, who says that art is the experience of the unlived, the most important human experience, it turns out that the imaginary memories of any person. they allow him to be a creator in a sense, more than he is, more than he actually is, that is, it is almost art, yes, that is, art without art, no, well, it realizes itself in very different ways, anna karenina, for example, anna karenina, i am convinced that everything that happened to her stems from the desire that she experiences when opening

the book in the carriage, even at the very beginning, when she goes to reconcile steve and his wife and there she meets vronsky with his mother, meets vronsky himself, she though... that’s the whole point, i think the reader experiences the same thing, as a child, i so wished that oneg hadn’t killed lensky when i re-read it, but suddenly i didn’t will kill, i thought, that is, this is generally fiction, this is, in principle, the law of art, when you perceive art, you think that it is reliable, in general memoirs are reliable not in the sense that they correspond to some kind of case itself, as zhenya put it , they match. your rightness, there is no rightness, remember the paintings of picasso or picasso, how convenient it is to say, where dora maar has two noses, yes, because he wants to see her right away. or full face, and we see each other full face, but there are other sides, so any memoirist, uh, is firmly convinced that that he writes the truth, even if he wants to deliberately distort it, like

zhorzhik ivanov in st. petersburg winters, in a word, for me in the memoirs it’s still, uh, the most valuable thing is subjective, yes, kotaev’s in the grass of oblivion, he describes it there , how he considers friendship with bunin, so... that bunin asked him something all the time, well , mayakovsky asked him, but bunin in the damned days, and to him, the only phrase is completely destructive, i don’t want it repeat that he would have sold everyone, including there, if they had paid, and here are the memoirs of two people, and about specific ones. true, yes, solomon’s court, it’s kind of impossible to say here, but what he sold or didn’t sell is not the question, well, yes, but it’s just surprising, so

to speak, the range of opinions, well, yes, although here , you know, i can’t help but remember this one famous buddhist parable, five or how many four blind men approached an elephant, from different sides, and one, which means which trunk, he is absolutely right, he says that it is a snake or a wall. always like this, he cannot grasp everything at once, he cannot give this three-dimensional vision, vision in general, this our apparatus, we don’t see infrared, ultraviolet, a bat sees , well, well, about experience, actually, i have always been fascinated by the fate of an actor, a great actor who really, if he is deeply in a seriously understood sense... relates to his work, then he can actually live several lives and can live them with full dedication, this is a colossal

experience, if you approach it correctly, but the actor is not required to read, but a complete one, by the way, this is a very interesting topic, it is a little we might be taken away now, yes, but maybe we ’ll stop for a second, because we can live, we can’t live, according to the system, not according to the system, again here’s nikita sergeevich mikhalkov, i remember. he said when in his family - mardyukovo - one phrase: oh, 40 takes. 40, and he says that if you come up and she plays in such a way that every time she is taken away by ambulance, then this says it’s just a professional mistake, yes, that is, the actor must be able to instantly switch off somehow, yes, because otherwise these experiences are already is on the verge of schizophrenia, no, as stanislavsky says, and since i... i teach at the moscow art theater, i really love konstantin sergeevich, he says a simple thing, that you can’t play anything, you can only grow, develop something in yourself, this

there must be a genuine emotion of yours, but you need to find something in your life that leads to this emotion and make it yours, appropriate it, and this is scary, of course, on the one hand, this is several lives, on the other hand, it’s like a surge in your throat they will kill, after all, there shouldn’t be a distance, no, i teach acting a lot years, so... i won’t do this all the time, i won’t argue with you, today we gathered our thoughts about memory, dmitry petrovich bak, evgeny germenovich vodolaskin, we continue, i’m always trying to explain to students why memory is needed, they say, well, how is it, well, now we can say that they will turn off the internet, before they said they won’t turn it off, now we understand that they can and the electricity may disappear for some time, yes, but i really liked it - tatyano vladimevno and i chernigovskaya was once talked about on this topic, and i said, well, why? memory? for knowledge, for education, she says, but memory is not about remembering information that is not knowledge, but about contexts, associations,

yes, this is it, if you don’t have this on your shelves, yes, then it’s very difficult to put together this mosaic of knowledge, as this thesis resonates with you, of course , this, in the context it is necessary, because, well, let’s say, if you raise a person, here in the sans souci palace, surrounding him with a wall , then nothing good will come of it, by the way, a wonderful novel by alexei varlamov, my soul pavel, this is the same model, there’s a huge problem here, how many artistic things are based on something

being hidden from someone... so that he doesn’t know, not i remembered, most often these are all unsuccessful attempts, that’s memory, it is certainly contextual, for example, when i remember something, i often don’t even remember exactly what was said, but i remember where with what facial expression, this is such synesthesia , or i remember what it smelled like at that moment, let’s say it smelled. sleepers on stations, olfactory memory, it is one of the strongest, it is considered, i remember, dmitry sergeevich likhachev said that from childhood he remembers the smell of heated boxwood, uh, the crimean smell, and he says, when i am now an old man, i hear this smell, i have the mood immediately improves, memory is not information that can be contained in three

pages like this. to express, memory is the whole totality, this is the world of god, as it appears every moment, but in all its completeness, therefore, in fact, this has always, mm, excited me, so i tried describe the way it comes, not as information, a report about something, in all these, let’s say... if a child is lying in bed, then he sees drawings on the wallpaper, he runs his finger over these drawings, while the grandmother robinson cruz reads to him, the whole world is connected, that’s what kharms talks about, remember, everyone goes on trams and doesn’t know how everyone is connected to each other, but we have to remember this, well, we heard a wonderful essay from the lips of evgeny vodolaskin, this just a fragment from

a novel, and i. not an essay, but such a gelertor thesis, uh, vladimir ramanovich, you asked a little about something else, that’s how it is, yes, this is not knowledge, because my two favorite examples, evgeniy borisovich and pasternak, he told me twice that his father said that if the gospel had the power of mathematics , then there would be no evil in the world, well , because no person, believer, non-believer, atheist, buddhist, whatever , can say that he does not distinguish where good is. evil in the gospel, well, it’s understandable, it’s understandable, like 2:2, like a theorem, but nevertheless the world is in evil, so some more effort is needed, identification with you. i have remembered for the rest of my life a phrase from the memoirs of alexei feodrovich losyev, it’s like this, i know it by heart , when i first learned that the sum of the angles of a triangle is equal to two right angles, i realized that from now on this truth is mine, mine, and no one else’s it won’t take away from me, you know, this moment is missing, yes, newton’s law, it came to newton as an insight

that he understood this at that moment, and things fell with the acceleration of free fall even before he formulated it , this device that we all have in our pockets, it accustoms us to something else, yes, that there is simply naked truth, memory, spied , and it’s as if you appropriated it, nothing like that, you need to make it your own, appropriate it through a hyphen, but still, in your example from the gospel, it seems to me , another difference is that scientific knowledge, well, if you like, is violent, yes, i learned that two and two are four, and if i argue with this, then me. they will take you, but only to kashchenka, dostoevsky says twice two, there will be four besides me, not dostoevsky, but an underground man, yes, yes, but here is knowledge, let’s say, here is the connection of oneself with the gospel truth, it requires a volitional choice, knowledge of the multiplication table, well, it requires, this is another will, yes, but this thing sets us up that this effort requires almost nothing, yes, well, since i looked , i tell the students, what should you do 40 years ago if you don’t remember where the line of the poem comes from,

he tells me to go to the library, so what? well , by the way, you know, i also wanted to talk about these memory stealers, because look, we started with the fact that culture is a collective memory, yes, and a person is an individual memory, but what happens is that this may be too bold a generalization, although in essence it seems to me to be true, any information revolution gives growth. the invention of writing, and printing, and it always hits the individual , yes, the iliad odysseus arises in a learned culture , the need disappears, individual memory decreases, i had a classmate who eugei onegin knew by heart from any moment could continue, we perceived him already like an epic hero, although probably for the ancient greeks he was, well, what’s there to remember, but individual memory, well , we can’t do anything about it, but this is

such an insoluble... history that collective memory with the help of such things, it is somehow still, well, more or less unsolvable, because a person, of course, lives a short life, it takes him some period in order to include... the universal human, so he gets an education, here in this buzzing collective creativity, yes it turns on, turns on, just turned on, you already have to think about the eternal, therefore , well, yes, this is the thing here, personal memory , historical memory, in fact, a person, 90 percent, is formed by personal memory and personal experience. here historical memory enters into him like some small 10% of the prehistory of his existence , they are the most important, but for the formation of a person as

a spiritual phenomenon, personal memory is important first of all, so, ah, this is like some kind of preface, too connected because what if yours. personal memory includes dante, there, i don’t know, the french revolution, like what you know about it, the history of the gospels, this is the meeting place, yes, here the individual and the collective, in any case in this sense, yes, but this that which ultimately becomes one’s own, it is so absorbed by a person that it passes, this too, it must be said, is a special phenomenon when something passes from the sphere of the abstract. in your personal history, i just remember myself, some things, they became facts of my life, for example, ups and downs with dickins's heroes, it was me, and

this is inseparable from me, this is what a person appropriates himself, masters, makes his own, this moves from the category of general historical memory to the category of personal. you really know this, but now a thought just occurred to me, maybe it’s quite immature, but it seems to me that in some sense, collective memory or something that belongs to part of background knowledge, in some sense may change faster than the individual, maybe i'm wrong, but here it is i just thought, they’ve left our background context, for example, ilf and petrov there , well, here i am with the students, when i’m trying to say that i once said that your answers remind me of how shura balaganov boykono monotonously recounted the contents of ochakova’s brochure , i thought that the answer would be a friendly laugh, but the answer was such stupid looks, what are you talking about, yes , it remained in my individual memory, that is, collectively in this sense it changed faster than i no, well, it’s just big volume, because there are the same number of seconds in a day as there were 2.0 years ago, yes

, there are a lot of carriers fighting for us, not only ilf petrov, but trifonov has disappeared, for example, i don’t make any comparison between trifonov and ilf petrov, but galich has disappeared, galich disappeared, but there is no person who does not have three. in the head or makanin, well, here’s another one, when i tell students that this is, well, a classic, well , an absolute classic of a certain time, vladimirovich makanin, there is no such name at all, because well, we’re so used to that literature, art and in general our life exists according to the principle of the media, according to the principle of an informational occasion , what seems to catch you is remembered, as the younger generation says, and what doesn’t catch you goes away, yes, indeed, and this is such a serious story, well some kind of unconditional... pushkin is a genius? but why? can not say. yes, i immediately

begin to tell him why zhenya, why can’t i live without him? but something that is absolutized on the tablets. yes, an absolutely amazing story, i sometimes read fragments of chagin, in public, and there i have a story about lenin, pechnyak, texts by tvordovsky, zoshchenko and nikolai ivanovich , so i look, no one laughs, no reaction, i say, the audience is quite young, and i say, raise your hand who has read leni.

a phrase that lives on its own, here it is absolutely, here is the generation gap, maybe it’s not the worst thing here, it’s not something that needs to be repeated day and night, lenin and the stove maker, but it shows how differently the generation is structured, how different them experience. the flip side of accessibility, democracy, the notorious, yes, because accessibility is means absence, i once said in front of a large audience, well, let me say it. mandelstam's line, who can continue, continue, i didn't even say a line, but two words, quite sulking, the audience stood up, as if i was hosting a parade, said, let's put the papers in the table, yes it was, it's not, well, these were people my age , our age and beyond, but madelshteim couldn’t be bought, couldn’t be gotten, couldn’t be read, but everyone knew it, now it’s there, but there’s nothing on this disc, this is the most important, your thesis, i’m actually from i first heard it from you several years ago, when you said that... the universal availability of information and even knowledge of some kind

, it turns out that you just don’t have to get it , i really like theodor adorn ’s phrase that in order to fully perceive the music you still have to get there where it is performed is terribly important, the symphony does not have a sound recording, there is no technical reproducibility according to benjamin, and therefore if you want to hear the symphony, you must understand where it is performed once a year, and then go there to the philharmonic in another city and then listen. now what are we doing? click, click, beethoven's ninth, yes, the first scriabin, but this is not completeness, this is lightness, which is false, and lightness, even something more, as i remember, zanusi told me, and who did not use it at all for a long, long time mobile phone, and he was talking about some priest he knew, who had a dog barking on the call, he says, why, he says, well, this is an alert, here i am a man from the village, when we have someone... layla the dog came, and when excuse me,

you’re in the restroom and vivalda, yes, yes, this is something like that, well, this is some kind of cultural breakdown , a combination of incompatibility, one process and another, i think, let’s make a risky joke, dear friends, well, we didn’t have time we, of course, i think that we will have to gather our thoughts again, i wanted to talk more about the memory of time, to continue the topic of forgetting a little, well, maybe with your permission, next time, but you know where i would like to end, well, in a sense, we are in captivity of pragmatism today, yes, i would like to ask you, i have the following instrumental question: if you think memory training is important, can you advise something, but for this very training, i’m generally not the one who could advise on memory, but it seems to me that something yes, i have heard and i think that this is true.

you need to learn poetry, that’s exactly what i mean, they say that in a foreign language it’s better, well, you can, in your own language, less, less effect, but i’m against the word learning, you need to learn, recognize, and good poems, they are simply remembered, lived, lie on the heart, a national goal, well, russian literature is poetry, yes , it’s like the quintessence of language, any speech dies at the moment of utterance, including ours, but poems about... yes, poems, they are generally a universal remedy for everything. likhachev said that during the blockade , when it was -20 in the room, it was impossible to read a book, everyone was lying under all the blankets, but he said, but they read poetry out loud, it could be done, and it saved. i agree, completely, poetry, in russian, and not in russian, not in russian, i i agree with you. but this is a special charm, it’s still an effort, unless of course it

’s your native, second language, yes, that is, you understand in a special way what neuchonatva postach is, not a made-up word, not a face, not an eye over others, not blysk, well, polish is not my native language, but this is mickiewicz, and he perfectly allows you to preserve the difficulties of learning russian poetry in translation, so they talked , switching to their native languages, and you know, in this regard, what i really like, the ancients say the greeks used it, the pythagoreans did not pythagoreans, i don’t know, when you are already going to bed, going to bed, try to remember the day in all its details, in all the smallest.

details, this, well, firstly, you immediately fall asleep, they say, if, if you practice, yes, well, indeed , your memory is trained, thank you very much, dear friends, i really don’t want to part with you, but time is inexorable, but the memory remains for us, evgeniy germanovich vadolaskin, dmitry petrovich bak, today we gathered our thoughts about memory. hello dear viewers, are you watching? podcast t with you its host tatyana krasnovskaya psychologist psychotherapist psychologist psychotherapist sergey nasebyan. our guest today is the beautiful elena, let's talk about her story. hello, hello, elena, tell us what you came to us with? i came with my story on the topic of relationships, i would like

to talk about what kind of men i meet on my way. i do very often. i am faced with abusive relationships, and usually in a row, yes, that is, uh, the first relationship of this format was with the father of my child, and yes, it turns out we lived together about a year, and as a rule they tried to change me in this relationship , i was 25 years old, we met, he was older than me, everything happened in such a way that i was somehow wrong in everything, i was younger, and thus, yes, everything time there was some kind of suppression of me, and i was always a noticeable girl, let’s say, i basically always wanted to be liked by others, from a very early age, from kindergarten, probably, yes, i had such a desire to be the center of

attention, and uh, i thought that if i was next to a person, he should be proud of this, on the contrary, that if i walk in some beautiful clothes, yes, i don’t mean some provocative clothes, but just in beautiful clothes, and on the contrary they tried to somehow to say on the topic that look, why these bright colors, you need to be more modest, but you need to be more modest, i didn’t understand who needed it, yes, at that moment it seemed to me, okay, i’ll be what you want, yes , as long as you like it, as long as nothing... could separate us, let’s say, then gradually, gradually, i felt that i was no longer left in this relationship in principle as an individual, that is, i was already doing what the person liked, yes, i was constantly doing what he wanted, and when this relationship ended, it ended on

the fact that i was told that there is another, or more so, flexible, more, who doesn’t...’ trying to be bright, trying to be what needs to be, then for the first time i was faced with the fact that i don’t know who i, in fact, that is, having left this relationship, i, in principle, like a white sheet, transparent, i don’t understand who i am, in fact, i’m leaving this relationship , plus yes, i was pregnant, but they told me that i’m sorry, this way and that, he knew that he was leaving you pregnant, yes, yeah, and...' i gave birth to a child, yes, some time passed, i basically didn’t see anyone around me at all, in principle i didn’t even consider any relationships, there was a certain state of searching for myself, gradually , gradually i became interested in something, yes, i went to sports, went to the gym, that is, i somehow tried myself

distract, yes, i tried to become better, so i just wanted to be some kind of ideal and yes, not only for myself, probably. well, also in order to prove this to the world around me, in the end i get into a relationship, saying that no, i don’t need a relationship at all, but again i feel some kind of thing, when i get into a relationship, that a person is weaker me, and it’s kind of easier for me, the relationship wasn’t long-term for me, yes, that is, one relationship was replaced by another and then another relationship, then the next one, let’s just say i entered into in a relationship with a person older than me, gradually, gradually, i again begin to feel this state that i am gone again, literally 2 months after the relationship, that is, i am again trying to fit in, i want to be perfect.