[000:00:00;00] hello, this is the podcast schrödinger's cat, and i am its host, grigory tarasevich, editor-in-chief of the popular science magazine schrödinger's cat, and we simply talk about complex scientific things, we talk scientifically about very simple things, and today we will talk about, it would seem that such a simple thing as plastic, it is everywhere in furniture, in bags, in packaging , everywhere, but is it safe, is it good or vice versa, is it so scary, we have two guests, one guest is artist, yulia che, hello, yulia, hello,

another guest of the academy is alexey romovich khakhlov, head of the department at moscow state university, a scientist who works, among other things, with polymers and knows proplastics well from the inside at the molecular level. hello, hello, and my first question is a little philosophical. is plastic good or bad? here is alexey ramovich. plastic, of course, is good. the polymer industry began to develop about 100 years ago, and over these 100 years , the objects around us have changed beyond recognition, whereas before it was all mostly wood, well, some kind of metals and so on, now almost most of the objects that surround us are made of polymer, plastic or rubber, well, in general , these are also polymer products, and of course, modern life cannot be imagined without plastic products, so this is good, but

is there a threat from plastic? there is a threat, because the threat is connected with the fact that over these 100 years industry, polymers, have developed so quickly that corresponding waste arises, plastic is ordinary polyethylene, polypropylene, these are the usual plastics, they decompose very slowly, so really garbage ones appear, even islands in the ocean, which many people talk about, and this is a really big problem, because pollution occurs, including pollution of the aquatic environment, and of course, this is a problem in this sense, and she needs to be dealt with, before i ask julia a question, i want to draw your attention to these art objects that you probably see on the screen now, they were created by julia che and made from plastic,

which we, unfortunately, are used to throwing away, julia, you you create your works from plastic, as you do plastic, it doesn’t seem somehow hostile, inanimate, no, of course, i adore plastic, it’s my favorite material, i adore it, it ’s under my control, and for the last 6 years, i ’ve been putting it in priorities are working with plastic, in fact, since 2013, i have been closely engaged in design based on the principle of upcycling, this is the reuse of old... things, so, initially, it was old jewelry, and old clothes, even dishes that have already come out building, i created clothes, accessories, art objects from these things, and one day, accordingly, my friend, a photographer who is not indifferent to