[000:00:00;00] i got along well, the colors appeared, somehow my hearing cleared up, and the brain, which remembered that today was a set, and not to come to me, was amazing, and i went, i looked strange, i, i had some kind of high black boots , black pants, a black shirt and a partupe, for some reason, they asked me to dance, i danced, which i danced then, yes, but you were, the world champion, russia, russia, the champion of russia, yes, the champion of russia, there the robot robot is brilliant i remember this, this is this, this is this, this is what i remember, this was amazing, of course, but you made myself made, i remember in front of the mirror everything stood out almost what kind of mirror i didn’t have a mirror chiffoner chiffoner well

varnished i’m in front of a transparent door. got hooked, and you said: okay, stop doing bullshit, son, study. by the way, you even had a moment when you said that there was nothing but a break, for today, i want to leave school, i remember this very well, i persuaded you, i continue, to finish 10th grade, then no, dad, i have , this is fundamental, i say bone the time will come, and then you will tell me that this is not the most the main thing is, where can i get money like this today between yes, no, well, i thought that this was my future profession, then i started earning money to go to school already. and you said, son, finish school, you were absolutely right that you need to finish school, on the twentieth side, this is a great parental lie when they tell you: quit this, finish school later, that’s the most important thing, do what you want, why lie? because you finish school, then they start telling you this, so go to college, and

then do what you want, you go to college, and then you get the next one, college and you don’t do what you want , it’s a parental lie, because you finish everything, childhood is over, you’re already going to work somewhere, and then you you don’t do what you want, but you do what the boss wants, by the way, thanks to this program, i ’m already starting to clarify something for myself , so many years have passed, i still had a lot of mysteries, as i remember, you avoided at home, all of these were some of your own... these are small children's protests, i don’t remember something for a long time, i was looking for you for two days, i think it was distorted, on the third day we were driving with my mother in a car, suddenly my son was walking with some guy in the middle of the road on the dividing line who, in such despair, ran away from home

hurray freedom freedom and what's next, what's next i'm sorry, but i think i hit someone but not you , why did a friend fly in who had nothing to do with it at all, who was just hanging out with us from there, and you, probably, wanted to hit me, took it out, changed my mind, kolyan, i’m sorry, please, what are you friends, it’s still not, we once called on the phone, and somehow it didn’t work out to meet, but i think that we ’ll meet again somehow, you know, i also want to apologize to you here, that i didn’t even lay a finger on you and i didn’t help... you, when you were studying at the institute, unlike seryozha bezrukov, i remember that vitali bezrukov, he spent days there, spent the night and he drilled his son and of course, you you helped me a lot when i asked you, you didn’t help when i didn’t ask you, i did everything

independently, but it was precisely when there was a show of independent works, and yes, vitaly bezrukov helped the earring a lot, and maybe that’s why he was so successful, because he also had, in addition to all the teachers who taught us the actor’s profession, this is oleg pavlovich tabakov, this alexey sanovich silverstov, this is, of course, mikhail andrevich labanov, literally our dad, and seryoga had another teacher, this is his dad, dad, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, but when i asked you, remember, that you have one of the most successful exits to the scene was precisely in the role of radion. this was back in my student days, well, this was my first job in the drama theater after graduation, i was taken to the drama theater in vladivostok and the first role was radionov and i thought you were immediately assigned to saratov no, no, no, i worked there for a year and a half, i worked in lladevostok, and then i was invited to replace oleg yankovsky, of course, but who was taken to moscow, not whom they took, we

worked here for 9 years with oleg ivanovich. for 9 years he played five roles, he acted a lot then, shield and sword, i am francis corina, two comrades served and he needed a replacement, they couldn’t get it from moscow. well, i’m not going to the province, but from the province, from vladivostok, i was invited to saratov, then there was natanichin, he was the artistic director, artistic director, of the saratov drama theater and he knew me, i said, i have this guy, let’s invite him, they invited then, well, i was a little taller, but not in terms of talent , oleg was a little taller in height, and oleg and i became friends, and well, i went through a very powerful provincial school, worked for 10 years in saratov, and we lived in his apartment, an apartment, and they moved to the center, closer to the cent, closer to the center, so i asked my father to help me work on the role of raskolnikov, and it

seems to me that it helped me a lot, but it doesn’t seem exactly it helped, that’s exactly the nerve, i took it from my father, i remember that when i even went out, in order to somehow catch this state, to get out of... the state of rest, i went downstairs, it was winter , i just dipped my head in the snow, powdered myself a little more, and so, in this snowy mood, i walked into olesya patashinskaya’s frame stage, she was a sleepyhead, yes , yes, yes, and you studied there, how long you studied there, 2 years, 2 years, 2 years, i have a feeling, maybe i’m wrong, i have a feeling that how... when oleg found out and oleg pavlovich found out that i’m your son, some kind of training began , i didn’t know that you and him were a little at odds, well, somehow we weren’t in much contact with you, but, in general, one of those

cases when kinship with the people's artist of the russian soviet federative socialist republic played a sad role, a sad role, well, probably everything turned out the way it did, because i haven’t lost 2 more year, i... went to study at higher directing courses, by the way, yes, i will never forget, stashenko, yes, in my opinion, yes, there was a hero, oksana stashenko, yes, she was the first to act with me, and she taught with you, tumanishvili and atinov, yes, a very amazing person, and i remember some work of yours, you did it at the dacha, i remember very well, and you were filming, which means you pressed, you pressed, that means, some kind of lighting button there or equipment. i mean, i directed it myself, i played it all, it was so interesting, i watched how interesting it was, and i thought it was yours future, director, director, i’ll still shoot my own, listen, i was just sucked in by the radio, somehow television was too, so i think i’ll shoot

something else, but yes, working as a director was incredibly interesting and i think this is this thesis it turned out very well, you wrote the script yourself, i wrote the script myself based on ray bradberry's story the smell of sarsapore? yes, i brought it to our time , i did it all kind of at the dacha, there oksana stashenko was in the title role, igor kitaev, at that time her husband, i had as a cameraman magnificent sasha ilkhovsky, that’s cool, and the producer is dad, yes, well, the producer, how i was just a participant in these things, well, you sponsored us a little, but what did you sponsor, well, money, we had to eat at the dacha, that’s it , yes, yes, they gave us money for food, and i thought that you would go into directing, well , there were financial problems then, some kind of all the perestroika things began, all the twist, the twist for some very bad movie went our way at that time, yes, yes, some

very funny comedies, this movie is still not it came out of this kind of routine, i don’t like today’s cinema, this is my opinion, where there is a mountain of corpses and a sea of ​​blood, now a good movie came out, it saved me, right? you know, now a good movie has started, including thanks to the first channel, for example, the film challenge with yulia peresilt, the movie, i recommend it, a very good movie, which was filmed in orbit in space, klim shipenko and yulia peresilt, the two of them flew together with anton shkaplerov, who by the way hosts our space podcast and he helped the guys there in orbit he told me how to do everything and it’s crazy. because yes, this is the first film that was shot in space, a feature film, well, yes, yes, and there are no corpses, there is no crime, everything is very good there, and there is humor, and you can laugh and cry, but look, i’ll see

, just look, and you know, i watch similar movies, and i understand that we have a future, it’s interesting, your point is not very expensive , zhenya, yes, this is the man who buried russian cinema at that time, exactly there 20 years ago, just, i thought, well, that's it, we're not let's get to this level, and i remember that there were times when hollywood was jealous of us, hollywood learned to do special effects on us. it’s amazing to realize this now. this is a podcast 20 years later and we continue the conversation with my father, people's artist of the rsfsr alexander mikhailov. what is your favorite soviet film? i recently watched 9 days of one year, i’m shocked, how many years have passed since this picture. i ’m not talking about the amazing lineup, there’s mikhailovich moktunovsky, batalov, lavava,

amazing, you know, so i’m somehow one of my favorite actors, jean gabbin, in my opinion, said this phrase, when they asked me what is the basis of cinema, he said three factors, firstly the script, secondly the script, thirdly the script, yeah, a little ... you just add some kind of conflict, one or two conflict situations, and you get the result, you have to be a mediocre director, including operators and, in general, service personnel. to spoil good, good material, which happens, not so often, but it happens, what is your favorite role, i have a favorite now, an enchanted wanderer, and that’s what i thought, leskov is an enchanted wanderer, i’m not talking about the quality and how i played, but to touch real material, for ivan flyagin, this is something, it was such happiness, although there were so many problems there,

i had so many frostbitten legs, and i fell from a four-meter height and broke my arm, then we had a terrible tragedy there, there was a horse, there was a beautiful horse in this film, and he is my hero sings a song: if only he had zlotys, mountains and rivers full of wine, all the fucks for the caressing glances, only you were with me at the bottom, and and this beautiful horse was an amazing shoot. they paid dollars for the process, just for this, and one of the director’s assistants stuck her there, stuck her in a double horse from another horse into a carriage, she breaks her leg and shoots her, there was a whole story, that ’s how it was, this beauty was taken there, well, there were a lot of very dramatic moments there, you can’t turn your back there, like anastasia, he’s throwing out all these

candles, he’s extinguishing the devils there, you’re the devils there, he was indignant, the parishioners were indignant, i had a hard time persuading them, it’s necessary somehow in the floor , to it was, and the colostas, yeah, it was obvious to blow out those candles, there was a lot of stuff there too , i repeat again, i’m not talking about the quality of the picture, but the fact that this film was in my life is... it costs me a lot , very dear, i remember many more wonderful films with you, and olekhin, of course, just alekhin, the white snow of russia, chess player, handsome, chic, yes, my homeland forgave me, yes, my homeland forgave me, no, there’s a good phrase there, man , a person without a homeland is always alone, alone in happiness and alone in slaughter, i also remember you will find in battle, i remember the kidnapping of sovoya, where you played a racer, yes a swede, yes, yes, a guide torstenson, yeah.

but there was also my picture, this is a special forces detachment, i touched on the role of nikolaych kuznetsov, our intelligence officer, this is a unique phenomenon, as if i always remember it with pain, the lonely are provided with a hostel, you are with natalya gundareva, this is also the image of such a pirate from the scar of that evil sailor, pirate, you took it from the sea, and probably some kind of boatswain, well, first of all, i really liked samsonovich samsonov, amazing, then he... a mystical tragedy, a completely unique director, and i think samsonovich suggested samsonov, inin, arkady inin, when he wrote the script, and he suggested me for this role, and i was practically approved immediately without a screen test, well, working with natasha gundareva is, of course, a great happiness, a great happiness, such a pleasure, and natasha and i had two films, the first was a picture, it was a series

with me playing a bandit, well, it’s like a bandit, she’s a bandit, they sang romances, and there it is for children babble, what is happening, happened and is still happening , as he says, why, he says, did you commit this crime, what a crime, he began to paint something like that, save money, you need to paint the material there, and he says, when i saw these little hands on my wife when she was washing clothes, i gave my word that i would make sure that her hands were beautiful hands, that here she was, so he stole like a little girl, but such baby talk, risk is a noble cause, one of my favorite films, where you... shegel yes amazing, he didn’t do the stunts himself everything, but half of the stunts were mine, there was one trick that was very strong, when there are two cars and i have to move at full speed, high speed 60 km, even 70, from a passenger

car to a cargo to a truck to move, this is all filmed, all this it happened, my back was burning, my back was being set on fire. yes, and then for a week i lost my temper, everything was burned, i was soaked in there, burning , as the koskhadis say, is one of the most difficult tricks, yes, you have to run against the flames, against the wind, and then the wind is in the other direction, do nothing, necessary there was a pause, it was burning, but the engine was holding on, i had to wait for the command to jump into another episode to run away, it was burning, i felt it, it was burning, the director said, i’ll endure it, i’ll endure it, come on, let’s go, let’s go, i went, but i’m crazy this whole back, at what moment did you feel that they began to recognize you on the street, after what film did you arrive, and after arriving, after arriving, but mostly, yes, after arriving, how old were you, i don’t even remember, i’m by age i don’t

remember, you know what, i was not 16, of course, but older, but i was already a decent age, well, i, i graduated from college when m'. i was 23 already then 10 years old, well, somewhere between 30 and 40 , how do you generally feel about this popular love of fame? calm, calm, yes, i myself am very friendly to people, i don’t have this fanabery, i have a lot of awards , i try to take off my shoulder straps, put the awards in my locker and not boast about it, and i try something like this, you’re a people’s person, i try to tell the guys, there is no one to call. yes, i, i’m just an actor, the greatest title is an actor who is respected, who did not let you down, yeah, who doesn’t act in commercials, i never act in commercials, so i don’t judge my colleagues, i know that you wrap up a lot of scripts and don’t act in whatever you’re wearing, yes, my left hand is very sensitive, i

’m reading, suddenly you get goosebumps, oh, this is mine, this is mine, this one lies, lies, lays down, lays down, and so you read , they just sent me with a cold nose, here’s a good sir, but he doesn’t touch me, nothing, why? yeah, we're on a podcast 20 years later, if you could go back to 2000, where would you go? returned, maybe i would change something, i returned to my 18-17 years, i went to the seas, you would choose the sea, yes, this is something extraordinary, one can even imagine, so i think that at any age you need to take something... this is a situation where you need to test yourself, experience, and i, since i fell in love with the sea since childhood after ivazovsky’s painting, i was still a boy, in the fourth grade, yeah, i ran to khimovskoye twice school, it’s a long story, and then they caught me, my mother

spanked me with a wet towel, she always beat me off i'm so excited about these travels with biscuits, i also said that i'm an orphan, i say, what kind , i'll show you the orphan, she fooled me so much, stood in the corner all night, and then after the seventh grade i finally persuaded him, i say, mom, after all, i can’t live without the sea, let’s go, well, let’s go, pack a suitcase with these metal corners, the whole bag, let’s go, i couldn’t go to marikhodny, because i didn’t have enough years, i went to the military craft school, because in this school instead of soldiers t-shirts were given to vests, that's from i entered the ethylnyashki, but it’s buhtamite, it’s an open gate, the golden rock bay is all freedom... it’s this sea, the smell of the sea, after all, after graduating from college i came to the ship, and i’ll never forget, i tied myself when i got four points five there was a storm, i tied myself with ropes, i had a specially designed train, a hall, like this

, it stood on the bow when the ship plunged into a wave, it overwhelmed me and washed me all over, there above me he said, well, our guy is ours. like our young man, and i screamed, again these are these songs from behind the island on strezhin, here it is stretched across the wide sea, i loved these things, i screamed, i just loved these things, i understood where i got it from, when we went on a cruise on a turbo ship leonid sobinov, i did the same thing in a storm, i don’t know that you did it, i didn’t tie myself down, but i also stood on the bow of the ship, clutching it and also caught it with my face. their years were loved not just by the rain, but by the downpour, i adored the downpour, how the real downpour would jump out into the street to the point of one’s underpants, rain, let it rain, we’ll go into the bushes, pray, bow to the king, and i’m like that i got pleasure from the thunderstorm, this whole element, i just adore these things, i just

adore them, listen, let’s put an end to this, in the next episode we’ll talk about your most famous film, love and doves. this is a podcast 20 years later, i am the host konstantin mikhailov, we continue with the people's artist of the russian soviet federative socialist republic, with my father alexander mikhailov, today we remember the film love and doves, will we kiss or not, what else have you come up with, kissing, look there at the resorts something, happily. stay, we

met you, that’s all, nashartam in the south, it was absolutely amazing, because it’s really without editing, you have to learn it, everything was shot in one shot, everything was shot in one shot, it’s a piece of a house, as i understand it, they didn’t build houses on the piers, they brought the door, they just brought the door, and when you look carefully at the picture, the door sways a little, because there was a tap at the top. and they held this door by a cable and without a threshold, without a threshold, why immediately, when nevsky entered the operator, with me into the sea, they lifted this door without a threshold, and he i was filming for a long time when lyusya and i were filming in the water there, it was 14°c then in november , in batum, i was filming the entire frame, the entire frame went through a whole whole, due to this it was not very warm for you to swim, of course, there was, but there but there was not a single one on the beach, there was no one... there was no one there, the lights were removed from the driver , they were paid some kind of money, they created the appearance

, he always said, let's quickly abandon your hero, let's abandon sanya, i'm already numb, he says, one freezing creature it was scary there were a little divers down there when they lowered me there, i fell there, well, the quality of a person emerges, and there were two divers there on purpose, they waited, they let me in and undressed me, they helped me so that in a suit i should emerge in my underpants, yes, i heard there was a moment when the tie forgot you, well, yes, yes, yes, it’s a long story, it wasn’t there, there was a double, a burbashka double, a penshaka , there were cowards, and even cowards, but there was only one tie, this woolen tie, and there was a general problem, they filmed the first take, they took a long time to undress me and volodya gave them a scandal, guys, we need to quickly, the faster the better, you two healthy men can’t undress one, and i remember very well when i fell

there, and the dresser came up to me and pulled up this tie, and it was wet, they dried it, but he pulled up the still wet knot , and with the shistina, when they began to untie it, it tightened so much that it was impossible to untie it, and that means i began to fight, choking, that’s it, i can’t float up. they are dragging, dragging, i'm tugging, tugging here, then i accidentally saw one, and at first i started hitting mask, guy, he fell behind me, hit the second one, i think, with the reproductive organ , laid him down, they fell behind, i began to float up, because i was suffocating, to float up, one of them came, came to his senses, took me by the leg and brought me back , he returned it and grabbed the tie again, because well, volodya said until the goal, they took everything off, but the tie. and i, god still exists, i don’t know about me, but it could have been a drama , if not a tragedy, because i saw

them, the frightened eyes of these two, two healthy men, frightened that completed task, the next director, it was the second take, and they can’t do anything, they can’t break it, i’ll see and i saw, the udalaza attached to his leg accidentally took a knife, a knife and he took out a knife and began to fight on it, he took it out, cut it, then i got stuck, so only the third take came in, because after the second take they baited a thread, just a little bit, they were the first to grab it right away in the third take, immediately broke the tack, did everything else, there were three takes in total, and all in 2009 mtv, russia recognized love and doves as the best soviet film, that is, it turns out that you bypassed and i don’t know, a caucasian captive, ivan vasilyevich changes his profession and not only. comedies, but even there are soviet films such as the fate of man, do you agree with this? not really, well, this is my subjective opinion, i

adore ivan vasilyevich changing his profession, i adore this picture. and how we could bypass these films, it’s a mystery to me, i just can’t understand, i remember everything like this, i think , i don’t have to act in the eighty films that i did before, i can act in one film, love and doves are guaranteed popularity, recognition for many, many years, already 40 years of paintings and you come, from little to great, oh, oh, love and doves, love and doves. it’s nice, nice, because it always brings some kind of smile, yeah, it’s expensive, i remember that you appeared on the set, it was in medvezhiy gorsk, in karelia, 1984, when filming love and pigeons it was cloudy all the time , i remember, even when the sun came out, minshov said stop, because it was out of the general picture of love and the dove, if you

remember, there’s a gray sky there all the time, yes, and menshov waited until... the clouds and then the engine spoke. and i remember that you appeared earlier, minsho on the set, all the actors, yursky, natalya tinyakova, sergei yurivich, you, nina doroshina, there, yana, igor lyakh, and did you come up with something yourself? a lot, we, you know, i’ll tell you a secret now, many years have passed, almost 40 years, we had the same atmosphere. firstly , he was amazing, friendly, and secondly, we were hooligans, we were hooligans a lot, and volodya always entered into our atmosphere, and volodya laughed the most, he was the one who laughed the most, i’ll never forget, we were playing with lyusya , human marks on some stage, then volodya fell, which means minshov fell to the ground, lifted his legs up, he was such a hooligan too and

laughed, we stand, covered in mucus, watching how he laughs, then. colleague says: well, let's take more takes, let's try another, this is the option, it was so cool, he worked with such love, he worked with the actors, and my only regret is that many scenes were cut, what scenes were there, i heard there half the film was literally scrapped, we ended up in an anti-alcohol company, an anti-alcohol company, a company, we were everywhere, no matter what happened, only once we cut it all out, yeah, secondly, thirdly, volodya was removed from editing, you knew about it ? some other director edited it there, it was all very bad, then they brought volodya back, volodya was in a terrible trance there, iago found him during this period , he didn’t have his face on it at all, then they brought him back, so he’s from this, from these pieces to mount again, because she has

the whole picture had already been played out here, all of it and he remembered, he did it all. then, when there was a premiere, they never call me, we were sitting next to volodya, in the movie house there was a premiere, and i looked, with horror, look, this scene is not there, this scene is not there, this scene is not there, volodya is sitting, also looking at screen, i say, what don’t i understand, we remember, it was one of the amazing scenes, and you were happy about everything , he says, footage, aantial, i now understand what you’re talking about, i remember that yes, i was present there when i was little on... the site even there in at some point they filmed me in the episode, but i regretted it, by the way, by the way, i tell volodya, well, there should have been more, you appear there for 3-4 seconds somewhere, this is such a sad moment in the film when you you remember this village fool, and in your childhood, and in your childhood why you fell in love with pigeons, this funeral is such a moment, such a dark moment,

and i remember at some point. moment - either you or menshov came up to me and said: “so, you will be kuzyakin jr., yes, stand by the tree and, look, look, it’s sad, and i stood up, by the way, here’s an episode, what good eyes you had there, menshov then said, sasha, how wonderfully your son knows how to remain silent, let ’s watch this episode, little me, i’m leaving, to a resort, a bar, i’ll go, what’s his name, i’ll try this cocktail. yeah, the new ones will soon have chicks, make sure the cat doesn’t drown, buy some wheat, don’t forget, okay , yes, i know, i’m okay, dad, but show me your trick, what a trick, well, popeye pigeons, what a trick, daughter , this is studying, well, give me a mug

, come on, he drinks, you must not be afraid, ours was a fool, so he took them from one sip i ate five of them, fool, yeah, i loved my ears. the whole village loved, whoever asks for help with the housework, he will immediately come, work, resist, a bunch of owners, yeah, god didn’t give him a mind, but soul and strength, take as much as you want, and there ’s no end in sight, they killed his poor fellow, who ? yes , the shabatniks came in large numbers from the city, they settled in our village, before, they didn’t seem to settle the hedgehog cat, but here they settled something. well, what about you, let’s get rowdy, drink and fight , volodka just ran into such a fight, well, like kids threaten, the little one started shaking his finger, saying, it’s not good, you bastards, what are you doing, what are you fighting, but those who

would investigate took him and stabbed him with a knife, our church was abandoned, pigeons lived in this church, so volodka began to feed them, he’ll come and make a loaf of bread for them, they’ll cling to him from all sides, surround him in the face, on the cheeks, they go crazy, funny, funny, they’re not afraid of him, they weren’t afraid of him alone , volodka, yeah, i remember, still in his shirts she had a red taka, all covered in small holes from claws, they kept it in it. while they were digging, they kept circling over grave, and then, when everyone had dispersed,

they circled around and flew away a little, we never saw them again, they are a smart cat. yes. yes, well, this small green hose in padded jackets, just a little bit, just a little bit , it’s normal there, oh, what a shame, listen, and by the way, my uniform, here’s a padded jacket, kerzachi - that’s exactly how vladimir minshov appeared on the set, i remember, and yes, the guys came up with something, sergei yurievich, natasha, dad were there. nina doroshina, comes up with something, comes up with some jokes, gags, as i understand it, half the jokes in the film were invented by you on the set, the biggest one was imagining - this is, of course, lyudmila markovna

, and i will never forget, volodya told me, there came, says lyusya, came, says volodya, no matter what they told me, i’m a hooligan and a swearer, i’ll remember this once and for all, i love you very much, i like the scripts, i’m in front of you with a blank sheet of paper. what news all she has never even hinted at any such conflict situation , she has never been an amazing writer herself, she has two books published brilliant, by the way, in one of the books, i even wrote something about the filming about me , she wrote a lot of dialogues, yes i remember minishov appeared in this village in the courtyard of this house in karelian medvezhegorsk and the actors showed him what they had come up with, he was like that,

he he laughed, they told him, we’re filming, yura nevsky, the cameraman, they were filming in the camera, and i remember menshov also appeared in a padded jacket , in tarpaulins, with a little chick sticking out of one boot, yes, yes, he allowed it a little, a little, well for the atmosphere, there lived, there was, a noblewoman, noblewoman, rezbian, kaisa ollengren, minister of defense of the netherlands, supporting ukraine is a very cheap way to ensure that russia and its regime cease to be a threat to nato allies. it is quite possible to supply f16 fighters. as the pilots and commanders of the air defense systems did not say, this is our dream; they are waiting for this equipment in the ukrainian air. lists of participants of the belder club kaisa alongrin. this is a club that professes the concept of the golden billion. her father and her grandfather were truly loyal to russia, a creature who, instead of carrying on to continue his family, decided to end this family on himself, these two elsbean girls managed to have two adopted children for themselves, they have companies that offer children for rent, the children were rented out for

sexual pleasure, and they find themselves taken forcibly from eastern ukraine, they still depicted themselves as warts and rainbows , in fact they are monsters, karin hildur alongrin and other dutch diseases, dolls: heir tutti, tomorrow on the first, season premiere, you ivan petrovich cherkasov, yes a murderer, you are not. are you worried about your age? is it here why i’m not worried about anything? yes or no? well, finally, glad, glad. hello. how old is dasha? do you have a family? no, just work. this is interesting. mosgaz, last

thing. kossov there are two types of majors, already a major is him, still a major is you, and i don’t want to choose between you, understand? from november 13 after the program, time is first. this is a podcast 20 years later, and we continue to discuss the film love and doves with the people's artist rssr, my father, alexander mikhailov. listen, i’m looking at it now, too, this image of such a simpleton. where did you get it from? and from there from my childhood, almost all of my roles were of this kind, there weren’t many of them, but they were there, i knew them, there was an interesting episode when volodya says, when he first met me, i was in a suit, and he looked at me somehow indifferently, the assistant really insisted on me, about me, persuaded him, looked, said, well, i don’t have time, he says, well, let's get together some other time, i see that he is so cool towards me

, i came to the sports department for something for the second time, he also didn’t really like something again, and then i tell everyone, listen, san , come on, he says, let’s go with you to the seedy places, let’s go, he says, let’s go to a pub, let’s see, i need you to look for character, that’s the character of the mensch, he tells me , that is, he’s already started to take a closer look at you, he’s started to take a closer look, but he didn’t trust me yet, and we came, then there were these bogaduls, blue-eyed ones, all these homeless people there there’s all this beer there, he says, keep an eye on it, i say, volodya, i grew up among them, i’m a villager myself... i know all of them , and there are all these lame-legged people there, and pigeons with pigeons, i say, i’m in touch, i’m doing screen tests, he says everything i did the screen test well, everything was in order, the whole role was ready, it was so very touching and of course he and i had great respect for each other , that’s what it will show, well, i’ve never had a moment of conflict, i don’t remember, yeah. amazing jurassic, how much he

came up with there too, and the great doroshina, well great doroshina, and natalya tenyakova, how she is 37 years old, 37 years old, she was so brave that she allowed herself to become outdated, and these undershirts, you don’t feel sorry for yourself, you don’t feel sorry for him, this manira, this is young, beautiful a woman, stylish, suddenly played such a grandmother, and there was a lot of theatricality there. and unexpected, paradoxical, this is the charm of this picture, class, but this character is close to you, very close, very close, i love him, i love him madly, because he has, you know, that there is such a thing in our acting the skill of the extension, if he played ivan the terrible, when the extension is on top, it is above, above, no matter what it is, no matter how tall i am, it is still above, but here there is an extension below, an extension from below, a children's extension.

this childishness, naivety, this, it was like a super task, everything seemed to have never happened, i’m ready to forgive everything , i love everything, i like everything, a colossal love for people, for nature, for pigeons, naturally, well this little guy, even he, it would seem, is younger than you, he still fit in with his daughter settled down, the lover led, this is the openness, openness this is, and so to the closeness of the actor, vasya kuzyakin is always lyutka and lyutka meets me with a chic markovna this is lyudka lyudka village let's see this famous pete and the brilliant village

this is nina and this is this she tore it off, this is a pompom, that’s how she is, this one is like disgusting, it’s her, she, this is something, it’s so strong, listen, but - vasya kuzyakin, he’s ambiguous, he still cheated, he loved pigeons more women who surrounded him, maybe he probably loved his daughter more than pigeons, you know, i remember that there is such a wonderful phrase, he says, well, he says, so you don’t know , he says, and what does he say, the damned capitalists are rocking us and you don’t know how to give birth, well, mine says, vasya says, well, they were probably already reflected, everything was directly reflected, bye, what about yourself? oh, like this, he says, and i don’t know what this trouble is, and he says, and you know, he says, vasya, it’s so good that he speaks, raisa pisa also says, it’s a kind of war, as he says, raisa, like war, well don't happen, that's it

this trouble, with us and we wouldn’t know how much you love me, how i love you, oh , how great, how it works, this is also like a test, a big test, and having gone through the test, it is more interesting, i now, sorry, let's rewind, i remembered the scene that i saw being filmed, which was not included in the film, here's what you told the anti-alcohol company, on the pier, you and yursky were sitting, drinking beer, took three or so large mugs , only six, you are sitting, drinking beer, you see, yursky says, oh my coming, and you leave the beer, evaporate somewhere, here a guy is walking, they filmed it in one shot, they actually found a man who can drink six glasses of beer, six of them, bought everything in shock, they filmed it all, i remember, yes, they filmed it, menshov says the engine, the man squats down,

and drinks six mugs in a row, yes, yes, yes, they cut it out, and they cut it all out, it was very funny , very funny, i have one more scene, i never knew, remember when lesya dances in front of me, like a georgian where fits, it's all there. well, vasil kuzakin’s dream came true it means he’s going to the bar, that’s another phrase that says, why bother and come back , he’s going to get to the bar, drink this cocktail from a straw, a cocktail, this is a drink, that’s it, complete pleasure, a beautiful woman, and he’s just admiring the it, turns, then you didn’t know about it, and there’s a big bar table, a counter, like a bar, and... he turns like that, looks, looks there, and there baba shora and uncle mitya are also drinking a cocktail from this they drink the same straws, he looks at them, then looks at lucy, lucy dances, the doctor continues, the whole family is drinking from this straw, judging, looking at

him, then it was shocking, this was all cut out, this was all filmed, and here i would have a fishing line attached, and there was a dove below, yeah, the second director, he kept this dove there, and when you let go of the dove, it will go up, along this line, tied from the paw to the line of the paw, and he looks at it at this time, he lets go of volodin’s idea , and this pigeon began to rise and clap, clap and hit him on the cheeks, and he began to cry, at this time the montage and lyudmila markovna, he’s in tears, he’s in her apartment, this void dog was also voiced, he’s also with him and this one is crying and he’s lying there and sobbing, everyone’s crying, suddenly he’s like my father’s cat , he forgot and it seems he turned on the washing machine and

this machine was made like this, they tied a boom there and he jumps out and it’s all over the apartment, this washing machine is jumping and he sits on it and doesn’t understand anything what to do , he says they’re crazy, that’s not there either, it’s all cut out. why, why do i remember this , i don’t know why, but you probably had something, you, i obviously watched some kind of work show of the entire material, yes, by the way, look, i often watched work shows, yes, i remember all these scenes as they were on the screen, yes, and that you were jumping on this washing machine, yes, yes, it was, oh, we were like that, all this and i cried, i was talking to vology, and why was it cut out, it’s not anti-alcohol , nothing, two episodes, the worst thing, you know what happened, everything was washed away, negative , everything was washed away, these ones that have already been cut out, nothing can be returned, such cruelty, not a single the review was not positive, that when the mockery of the russian peasant, that of the people, why are they in ruins, and we seem

to be ahead of fashion, after 40 years this fashion appeared in france, these boots are walking around, we turned out to be legislators, and then this that's simple. someone was so humiliated, volodya too, he was in such a state, we didn’t have a single festival, not a single award, not one, there was nothing, it’s as if this picture doesn’t exist, listen, for which scene are you most offended, which didn’t enter the bar, it’s very beautiful and the scene when everyone is sitting, yes, it’s it’s so funny, we laughed so hard, well, you should see the faces, how they played it all, how it was, full synchronization in the tubes , seeming a little judgmental. shows with his finger, this is an image there, well, there were a lot, a lot, i remember some kind of new year's light, where you seem to be like, this is like a new option after the lapse of something like twenty years, she

walks at the station, something such a harlot by chance , it means she walks around the station and meets vasya with a suitcase there is a pigeon, well, this is such a remake, not a remake just like that, a continuation meeting after a certain number of years, well, it was so unfortunate, but lyus was very funny, but she was so funny, so touching, this is talented, and my favorite scene, you know. it’s not strange, this dream, when they, when they fall asleep, the two of them are against each other, she says, electro-sleep, yes, electro-sleep, it’s very something i just had my head and was snoring, you had something else like that thing, some kind, whom? and these, yes, these devices are still in pyatogorsk, in my opinion, somewhere there is this

scene when i also know that some big shots at the top they were against this scene, where at the end you and nina doroshina are literally having a picnic there, where the flowers are blooming, that’s where the magicians loaded up and the magicians charged up, not everyone opened what they opened, yes, let’s see, vasenka, nadenka, vasenka, nadenka, vasenka, nadya, vlasenka, what are you, vlasenka, are you interested right now or something? there are precedents like this on a film set, when the actors give directions to the director, now everything is clear according to the timing, according to

the script, which director, look which one, here now i’ve shot pictures at the rap, i played an alcoholic singing, an alcoholic sings, he gets drunk, so a good alcoholic sings, but i wrote and recorded, in my opinion, 11, 12 songs, now they’re making a sequel, seven more, seven episodes, and i’ll be there eight... more to sing , i’m getting pleasure with my hoarse voice, my old voice, so to speak, and he ’s like this on his own, his own world, he has his own world, his own world of this beauty, melody , someone like that, very reverent, and the director is very pliable, he goes to many things, i really like it, it’s great, returning to this small moment, vasya kuzyakin meets lyudmila markovna, after many years.

now many films are being remade, remakes are being made, yes, how would you feel if it were bad, i’m bad, we continue with the people’s artist of the rsfsr, with my father alexander mikhailov, i’m trying to remember when i captured you for the first time, and a flashback the first one that pops up is usnarva, lighthouse, you come from hungary, tanned, uh-huh. the first ones with a beard, yes, i had that beard, yes, i let it go then, yes, yes, yes, yes, he brought me a plastic hammer that made sounds , sounds, yes, such sounds, i remember the second time when you took me to filming, they were waiting for me on the ground, the pilots, i remember in saratov, oh, wow , this is elka we had, yes, a dog, elka, dal terrier, brilliant, i remember how you first pushed me in a sled along the volga, frozen, tender, and then the idea came to harness the elka in the sled, and you ran away from her, called her , she

ran and rolled me on the remains, yes, i remember how you brought a tape recorder from france, single-cassette mg, 1.100, i remember right now, i don’t remember, i don’t remember, a little cassette player, i brought a hairdryer for my mom, an orange one, and french magazines, it was the first glossy magazine in my life, you brought some other chewies, several blocks of different ones, oh well, stuck them on shafanir, on closet, but i found it, and i chewed it, calmed down, moreover, i stole them myself and distributed them to classmates in order to earn this unsteady, unreliable friendship based on envy, oh, how interesting, look, how interesting, i remember, how we sat with the whole family, stuffing dumplings for the whole winter we ate them in the freezer all winter and then you

tried raw minced meat, yes, i want to apologize to you again, maybe i’m a little into you. overlaid and all the same, i still needed more, more, something, something i missed , although i am very grateful to fate, and you are great, you yourself, you created yourself, when now, well, they call, sometimes, i meet you like that, he says, and i know your bones, and i’m so proud that you didn’t become an alcoholic, not a drug addict, i didn’t become a drug addict, that’s also thanks to you, because i...’ remember this wonderful moment, when i arrived, it was marina roshcha, and naturally, i’m in my teenage period , i tried everything, and i swallowed some stupid pills, i came, my eyes were big, like the cat from shrek, a smile from ear to ear , yes, i didn’t understand you, and then i realized that i didn’t, then i still have in my hands

a torn out capacitor from a fluorescent lamp, from which acid is flowing, i’m laughing, i’m standing, and you opened it? at first i didn’t understand what , but then i realized by the pupils, and how he slapped me with a juicy, good slap on the wrist, until now, and he broke his finger, in me, and in your forehead it clicked a little, just a little, clicked, clicked, clicked a little, and it still clicks, by the way, journalists found out about this story, and they started interviewing me, precisely on this topic, and even veiled there, we'll talk about you, it definitely comes up with... this topic, but it's true that your father beat you as a child, this is the wording, you know, your father beat you as a child, well, to say no, it's stupid, because once, that's all, that's more , one time, yes, well, okay, straight, it probably saved me, and i told you, remember when you in the morning he got up, he came, he said, dad, what are you saying, i have a challenge, i had

something like that, yes, i say, not you, i say , i you, i say, i read taras bulda, i read it, remember there's a phrase there. gave birth to you, i’ll kill you, i’ll kill you again with these pills, i’ll kill you, and you stopped everything, it was just such happiness, i tried it, that’s enough, and that’s when i heard this wording performed by journalists, but it’s true that your father beat you , i say, really, but what you see now is exclusively the result domestic violence, my father beat me and did it often, and moreover, we now see each other much less often than i would like, but every time we meet, i... dad, i ask you to beat me, and since i am a public person, then dad does it either in the stomach, or with a phone and a book on the head, but after that i somehow become younger immediately, somehow i cleanse myself, and you know why, journalists too, if i’m stupid, he believes, he sees, it worked when i i was 17 years old, first flight, i’m an apprentice mechanic, uh, 4, in eight,

no days off, and we came petropavlov with kamchansky and a guy comes up to me, mine, also a mechanic, a colleague, already... second class, san, he says it’s my birthday, come, we stayed for three days, and i was happy, i was all so ironed some kind of shirt , i had such a checkered sweater, but the first time the sailors accepted me as a kid there, into their clan, so the sailors came to the restaurant and they got me drunk, well , the first time they got me so drunk that they dragged me to the ship, literally, it’s just a drag, how they didn’t throw me off the ladder, it’s a mystery to me, the ladder is narrow. raised up, then i heard someone like that, bang, something on the head, i was either being a hooligan, something like that or i was laughing a lot, screaming there, and so bang, i keep waking up in the morning, i got a black eye, and bang and blackout, black eye, they turned me off, threw me into the cabin, i have a black eye, i wake up in the morning, the boatswain is standing , i grew up with such sledgehammers, a healthy

handsome man, the man was so clouded, looking at me, and what the hell, my son, i’ve recovered, i.. .look, his eye is so cunning, i say, dad, it’s not you, he says, i’m you, with such pleasure, i say, what’s up, i’m the first i drank once, i’m 17 years old, he keeps talking, he looked at me , he got hooked, he says, remember, son, three things, get married, when to sing with whom and how much, if you don’t remember, you’ll die, you want this, i say, don’t i want, hand in hand, hand in hand, it was 61 years ago , golden words, like this, i still know with whom, when, how much, i won’t do this, i would have drunk myself long ago, after the men, such a number of batteries wherever vodnyarov didn’t come in right away, you’re our fellow countryman, you’re a siberian, let’s have a drink with you , i got into a fight twice, i say, i don’t drink and i don’t i want, i don’t want, i don’t want everything, well, how do you disdain the date, it usually comes up, these are the things it was, listen, people’s love , it is expressed here as let’s go and have a drink

, the whole country loves you and how you fight it , sponybras calmly now calmly, i know how i passed alone in that case, it was amazing, i was sitting somewhere in some restaurant , i saw two guys coming up, wonderful guys, handsome, like that, listen, mikhaev, yes mikha, i’m from the pimp. can we have a drink with you, i say, guys, i don’t drink, how can i not you drink, how can this not be, i say, well, really, i don’t drink, i say, that means no, i say, i’m an alcoholic, i said, i’m an alcoholic, i say, well, what can’t be seen from you, i say , i’m an alcoholic, i just got screwed, i swear, i don’t know what ampals are, i’ve never even seen them , i know that many of my colleagues got screwed, i won’t give my last name, and i say, i got screwed, i say, well, bro , then excuse me, but can we sit with you, sit down? they’re sitting, talking, they drink so little, they turned out to be cool guys, well, they’re just great

it’s interesting to talk, that’s it, and i’m sitting there, thinking, listen, guys, this says, it happened a long time ago, i’ve been in trouble for a long time, let me get 100 grams , that’s it, he says, no, no, bro, you can’t, that’s it bro, you can’t, he saved me three times, i swear to him that he’s like that, bro, you can’t, still on this, nothing, it’s me , still, bro, i need a hug, come on, my dear, i love you, you’re great, i love you too love you so much, thanks guys, call your parents, talk to your loved ones, hug, podcast 20 years later, my guest today was my father, people's artist

of the russian ssr, alexander mikhailov, i am konstantin mikhailov, thank you, well done , hello, this is a podcast of the psyche and we continue to put together our psychological puzzles, no matter what they concern, today the expert of our meeting, doctor of science, family psychologist, andrei zaberovsky, hello, andrei, good afternoon, father... artyom, who came to us with a request that now confidently responds in the heart of, well, almost every parent, let's just say how to tear off the child from the gadget, everything is so, absolutely, but why are you going to tear the child away from the gadget? i have a daughter , eva, who is in her eleventh year, a wonderful child, but 95% of her time she studies on her phone, on the computer, she watches endless video hosting sites. she plays some games , these games are not kind plus, now in these on these internets of yours, yours

, yes, yes, well, i, yes, yes, in these in these of yours, there are some maniacs there, some girl wrote there , and this constantly has to be controlled, and any other action, and my wife and i are trying to introduce her to a music school, to take her to dances there, to a modeling agency, she does it all, she basically succeeds, yes, in this world of hers it’s more interesting, let’s figure it out, after all, what worries you more is that she is sitting on her phone, or the content that she consumes from there, it worries me that this is almost all of her free time, and any other action causes resistance in her, we live in sochi, let's go, go, go shopping at the sea, but it’s better here i still have something here to finish playing, watching, almost anything action, it is constant. wants, this is your beauty, yes, this is my beauty , yet you did not answer my question, what really bothers you, the time she spends with a gadget or the content

she draws from if she were sitting on your phone or tablet, but at the same time i watched some good films or some cool educational tutorials, or some i don’t know, there are films about travel, educational games , educational games, would this bother you less? probably less, but too much. this and there is practically nothing else, there is nothing other, i would actually look at this problem from different aspects, because in my opinion both are important, it is important what our children do with gadgets and how much time they spend, we’ll probably start, let’s start with your scientific point of view, that today, in your opinion, at the moment the gadget itself or the content poses a great threat to the child, you need to understand that gadgetomania, which has now spread, and there is already gadgetomania, which has become relevant for the last decade

, it is connected with the fact that what for our psyche, there has been a proverb for a long time, it is better to see once than to hear 100 times, in this regard, video information is digestible, it is very easy for a person to perceive, especially a child, whose brain has not yet reached the working mode of an adult, in terms of, after all, when we read a book, when we read a word , which is a complex symbol that is unpacked in our brain, and this requires certain analytical work, we need to connect the word with other words and then video... content, any video content, it it enters the brain very easily, it allows you to absorb it all in a relaxed mode, as they say, naturally, we are a little lazy people, but we get what is easier for us, i ’ll interrupt you, not only lazy people, you know, what would it be now a colleague, an evolutionary psychologist, told us, he would immediately draw our attention to the obvious thing , moves evolution, not about this, not about this, look,

what would an evolutionary psychologist tell us, that, to see something, look, see, collect brain picture, but we understand when we look, yes, we use a variety of different parts of the brain, yes, some are responsible for taking information, others for comparing it, the third for completing the image, such a machine of incredible complexity was given to us by nature, by god, yes, we we were born with this, reading is already something that we learn, but he wasn’t born, you know, yes , if you don’t teach him, it won’t happen, that is , for a person, it’s not even a matter of him being lazy, it ’s just that for him it’s natural for nature to look and hear, that’s all, you know, as you rightly say, but not just

see the letters, reduce them into a certain word, take the word, place it in some ... part of the brain that will pull out the meanings, yes, compare them , this is, well, this is a gigantic job, why do it, when, please, everything is shown here , what you say is all very cool, there is scientific progress, i understand what is coming there, i don’t want her to read a bunch of books there, i want me to have a child, for the child to be social, for the child communicated with my parents, dad, mom, ate on time, happily went to classes there and plus she spends 2-3 hours working on gadgets, for the whole time there, all the time there, the gadget was stolen from you by a child, well, this is gadget mania , yes, which we said, but let’s take the other side, on the one hand, it’s easier for a child’s brain to perceive video information, than reading books, on the other hand, you need to understand that the creators of these video games, entire video worlds, entire video universes, yes, game universes, are also specialists, psychologists, of a very good level, which of course models human emotions, because the main

specificity is, so to speak such gadgetomania - this is that the child is emotionally involved in the game, he receives those emotions that in ordinary life, even with very warm parental relationships - to the child in the family, he will not receive, how these colors are super bright, and super emotional, and therefore here we have now this is actually a very good topic, because millions of parents are faced with what artyom will face, because with ordinary instruments, that is, a music school, and then you can’t take a child away from a gadget, from playing in the park in the evening, because these emotions you won’t, so i want to say right away, as a practicing psychologist, that in this situation, if the child has really been hooked on emotional dependence on the game for years, has become such a gaming addict, let’s be honest , the same centers the brain is involved, this dependence is located

on the gadget exactly where. addiction to alcohol, sweets or drugs , endorphin addiction center, they are in this case, that is, you are like a dad, and with the full support of your wife, you must offer for the child something that will be acutely emotional for him, that can be an alternative to the emotions that the game gives, in this situation, i’ll give you this recent kay, doctor, and i can’t even imagine what he should do , so that it would be comparable in such a volume, you know, she has a gadget. always at hand and there’s this flurry of emotions, it’s in huge quantities in the bottomless, this is what dad should do , that is, every day he should arrange some kind of quests and adventures so that she can have one, they’ve already said one, one a wonderful word that we use in practice, so i’ll give you several cases this year, for example, but in one situation the child is also a girl, a little older than your daughter, we suggested that dad and

mom began to actively attend quests, that is this is now... the story has been developed in almost any city, as it were, quests and now , fortunately, this is already an inexpensive story, that is, they began systematically every weekend, attracting girl friends, that is, gathering such a microgroup, going on quests that give a very emotional, scary reaction, yes, because quests are most often built on such fears, and there is a need to overcome some obstacles, well , i also personally have questions for most of our quests, but that’s a topic for another day, but all sorts of things are smaller? yes, in a situation where the child’s studies have already begun, when the child ’s emotional sphere has gone, because again, artyom correctly said that getting addicted to gadgets gives a negative, aggressive... reaction of the child to being distracted from the game, because the child just starts to get irritated, starts to conflict, moves away from his parents, like a drug addict’s withdrawal, a completely pure endorphin withdrawal, which becomes so adrenaline, aggressive, in this situation, let it be a quest, for me it

’s conflictual, yeah, that is she needs to have a conflict there with her mother, she was like that or became in the procession, she was, but more, it becomes more, she conflicts with her peers quite often. and i understood why she needs emotion, she needs a strong emotion there, so that they will push her there somehow, this is what she needs, yes, just to get endorphin, she lacks these emotions in normal life, she needs conflict, that’s why artyom, standard, standard techniques, like dancing, singing, something else , you won’t solve the issue, you need to give the child alternative emotions that are manageable, yes legal, that do not create problems for her life, but just emotion, regular weekend trips on a bicycle, but not just ride around the district, but 50,

100 kilometers , these are accordingly others already there territory, and with an overnight stay somewhere in these roadside motels, the child is scared, the child discovers the world, the child is interested, again, if he goes with his parents or can he take with him a certain number of girlfriends and friends there, that’s it only an acute, controlled emotion, i repeat, such...’ not a problematic emotion, but an acute emotion, only it will allow the child to find something alternative to toys, this is precisely the problem of parents, they go the usual way, which does not work. andrey, still, i ’ll clarify, this needs to be done constantly, or is it how's the reboot? we say that our dear listeners should not be afraid of us, we are talking about a transition period, a period when we remove this very dependence temporarily, yes, and then of course we lower the speed a little and introduce the child into more systematic, ordinary activities, but at the stage of separation a child deeply immersed in play activities, this is unfortunately necessary, my wife is a super traveler, even i don’t get into her rhythm, so i don’t go on all her trips, but the child goes with her,

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psychologist, doctor of science, andrei sberovsky our guest artyom tikhomirov, the father of eleven-year-old eva, we are talking about how to pull a child out of captivity of gadgets, and you tried to give your daughter some kind of sport , maybe, i... at one time i took the child to wrestling, but then i couldn’t come to an agreement with my wife, because she said that after all, it’s a girl and wrestling not quite as good, but for the girl it’s i liked it, it was interesting, my girl from kindergarten likes boys, and there it was, yes, you can only be happy for you in this case, and there were so many boys, she of course liked it, she liked it there, well, how would it be not a section, in the sense of some kind of section, there was, uh, a school of soviet training there, classical wrestling, well, unfortunately , my wife and i could not come to an agreement, so if you now say so, from the podium of channel one you

say that natasha ? need to give the child away there was a wrestling section, then maybe she’ll listen, no, well, it’s not necessary to go into wrestling, well, listen , it seems to me that the three of you all need to agree, especially since when the child is 11 years old, i already think her voice can be taken into account, of course , and most importantly, the struggle is precisely that very highly emotional activity, precisely the presence , if you even say that the child has a certain conflict there, a certain request for something so sharp around her, then she should receive this, without getting it in such a legal useful... mode in the same highly emotional sport, but from work experience , let’s say mine, again, i advise in such cases not just sports, sports where there is a team, volleyball, basketball, football, that is, where there is more the energy of conflict, because any group activity is a conflict, and in this case the child will get, will get those very emotions that the child may not get, well, in real life, if he is so highly emotional, so this is exactly the thesis hear

our dear listeners, what is needed... and alternative emotional activity, each child can have it individually, yes, that is, you need to understand , for some, a panda park somewhere where there are climbing frames, respectively, or a climbing wall will give this very emotion and distract someone from the game, something more , well, sports or more educational, by the way, in this situation, when you described that your wife’s daughter went on very interesting trips, maybe they didn’t do enough in the situation, that you could read with your daughter the history of these countries and cities where they are going, yes, accordingly, something viewing is informative and maybe in a real trip it would go into just those same cognitive matters. the next topic i would like to discuss with you is, if little by little, what is called cultivating showing a child, i understand that this is work, well, practically, sometimes the titanic one will seem in vain, you know, the artillery is wasted work, yes, this can also happen, but this path, which in my opinion makes sense to go through, especially since the child is an adult, try to come to an agreement, and say, listen, look, and come on here you are

this, you’re looking at this, look what i found, i found look what a cool quest on the phone that improves physics, especially since now there are probably quite a lot of such toys, here i am in unison, i ’ll tell you your thesis, because here it is important not just to go with the child into some educational topic , i recommend that parents still try to determine the possible profession and self-realization of the child, i emphasize the age of your child, of course, we can make a mistake, the child can change interests five more times , as if goals, but nevertheless, if we even preliminary outline some kind of goal, then with the child, look for some kind of educational programs on the same internet, there accordingly tying it to the task that you want to become a great businessman there or a chemist or a physicist or someone else, let's look at materials that will be useful to you, and this will naturally reflect positively on grades at school, like this... then we will interest the child better than

just as parents say: well, i should have looked something educational, there, well, look how much interesting it is, the child just doesn’t have a request for something simple yet, he wants to have a practical aspect, so if we add to the cognitive programs the child’s target task, his game of profession, we show the usefulness of receiving additional knowledge, for something, absolutely, so that this goal would probably be closer, yes, that is , not sometime in 10 years you will need it, this will be useful to you in this, she has been attending programming with us for the second year, you know , which is one of the most prestigious now, creative professions, called a game designer, these are people who come up with game scenarios, game plots, game scenarios, this may actually be the case now in your specific case, i’m not saying that for everyone, friends, this is not for yours, i can relax,

the child is on the right path, it’s okay that i don’t see the child, she will be a game designer, maybe she needs to study mathematics, physics, chemistry, because you don’t just have to come up with some kind of scenario, but you have to understand, for example, you have an action happens on the moon, and how on your moon an object will come into contact with the surface of the moon, with what force, in fact, in your case, your child has such a creative imagination, plus the child went to programming, you can actually say, the child , you can be a successful person, earn good money, but in this case, come on, you look at these games without getting emotionally involved in them, treat it like an expert, look at the game, what can you take from it to create your own game, creating your own virtual world, in this case, if you start talking about it with your child, daughter, what kind of world would you come up with?

let’s come up with a set of plots, a set of characters, what kind of characters they will have, what they will overcome, if you teach your child to write down his thoughts, you can create such a mini family laboratory using some new scenarios, new moves, maybe this will gradually captivate your child and then we will really get a bright, successful specialist in creating these very gaming realities, and we we will solve all your problems, and the child will receive a prestigious profession in the future, will take those subjects at school that will be important for this, this is actually a very good, correct scenario, yes, it’s god that it should be like this, but she doesn’t watch that content from me , on which one can kind of say, there is thomas soyer, i don’t know there that we watched the adventures of petrov in vasechkina, she watches the same narrow-minded bloggers who are now overwhelmed with everything, and accordingly, she copies them, and to attract her , let's watch a movie with you there, i don't know, there she’s not interested in timur, his team, and there’s one more thing, also important, i wanted

to discuss with a psychologist, uh, the only way, uh, to control my child now, is either uh, as a reward, give him a gadget. as a punishment, accordingly, turn off the internet there, we have no other way, and of course we use it, that is, we did our homework, turned on the internet, got a bad mark, there will be no internet there today, we come to the theater for a beautiful ice show there, where, well, we we’re watching a circus, the child just falls asleep at the fifteenth, second, third minute, that’s it, she wakes up, when everyone claps and that’s it, that’s it, because you described the picture, when the child is already dependent, that’s the receiving. he doesn’t fall asleep there because these no longer compete, yes, real life cannot compete with shyness, that’s what we said right at the beginning of our conversation, that parental attempts, so reasonable and beautiful, to distract with something standard , what they were distracted with in childhood no longer works, so artyom, in this case i advise, you can

still be a child, let’s have this kind of transitional period or such a transitional type activity, you played a game there, spend 15 minutes or half an hour there. to tell your mother and me about what you played there, what alternatives are possible , what you would have done differently in this game, we are trying to verbalize this game, we are trying to make it more intellectual, in fact, probably your child, andrey , she really wants to copy these bloggers, she repeats, i say, let’s shoot beautifully, mom will support the light, i will support the camera, we’ll do everything beautifully, let’s see what we have, what kind of f there is, well let’s create a script somehow, write a script, my mother tells her, i say, i’m ready to help , let’s do it with pleasure, we are ready to participate, we were filming something there, the fact that she categorically refuses our participation, then, that she is the content that she produces, that is, she also makes some

kind of content, yes, well, like almost all schoolchildren now, she makes content, and what is there, what is she doing there that is good, interesting, what happened, what did you like, what is he even doing there? i'm glad she's doing this that she not only absorbs, but tries to give something to this world, i really like that she draws these heroes of games, these videos, cartoons , she draws them, i don’t like that she draws only these heroes and no others, it’s good for her, well, well, drawing the same characters for two years is good, have you ever said that you like what he draws, moreover, she draws much more on these characters. and you suggested again to tell the child, here you are doing some kind of activity, but let’s we will do this activity at a more professional level, that is, we will call a good stylist there, we can choose an interesting design for your clothes, we can hire an animator who will animate your

drawings and try to do it, excuse me, there was a photograph, well, here is the first photograph. with maycaps, that means in the studio, but this also needs to be said there, that you won’t go depriving me of the internet, i’m like born, yes, here i am, very important, but return your passport, there is a very important nuance, if you tried at least once or twice to professionalize a little what she films. try to raise the quality of this content at the expense of other people there, and at the expense of specialists, show the child that you watch, what you film yourself gets roughly 500 views, and what we did with the involvement of a professional immediately gave 1,500 or 5,500, for this is her main currency, likes are her main currency, if you

and your wife now come up with, truly , without fools, how to monetize her content, this is where she will become your ally, here these were your attempts. have you tried the sides? yes, and how? here’s another time when there was a noticeable increase in the viewability of content? i myself am partly involved in journalism, when we started trying experiments with... with the internet, with youtube, the first thing my daughter did, she destroyed, she had access to my youtube channel, she erased all my videos from which there are 100-200,000, you are a small aggressor, and for me, that is, well, i didn’t even hit her, well, the fact that the shock went away from this, you just don’t seem to me, you didn’t realize, that is, everything that he himself is like

video blogger, did. dad, you don’t need this video anymore, this is a podcast of the psyche, my name is natalya loseva, i am a journalist, our expert , family psychologist, doctor of science, andrei sberovsky, our guest artyom tikhomirorov, the father of eleven-year-old eva, we are talking about how to pull a child out of captivity gadja. artyoma, look, now your child undoubtedly has some group of those bloggers to whom she subscribes, she has authority, in this situation, you, as an adult smart dad, your wife, you can contact someone from these bloggers, you know, my daughter is a fan, she draws well there, she understands something quite well about this story, maybe you need some kind of assistant there, and perhaps a person there who will be useful for you , as a respected blogger, can you... write to my daughter or call my daughter , in fact, especially through dad, through mom or directly to her, if she has

such an understandable nickname and on social networks there or where something else, and say, listen, girl, let’s do this or this made here on a more professional level with your participation, it is rated, it is more interesting, accordingly, now there is direct contact, that is, you are like father and mother, unfortunately, let’s be honest, the child is apparently not in authority, not because you are bad parents , that the child has other authorities that she imposed, the child is 11 years old, this is normal, that now for her there are some people close in age, these bloggers, showing such a fantasy life in general, yes, it is clear that they are much more enjoy authority than close, significant relatives, we can involve them, we can involve them in the pedagogical process, in this case we can make them your allies , that is, my advice is not to counter such an attack, but a frontal one... either turn on the internet or turn it off, this model , it’s a dead end, unfortunately, it can work, but for a limited time

, until adolescence, at 14-15 years old, your daughter will just, well, get a second phone secretly from you, as if they won’t take you into account at all, therefore find some kind of expert, benevolent, adequate from this internet world, try to involve her in some kind of activity , that is, let’s try to find an ally, because the most important thing for psychology... but how will this free up the girl’s time from the gadget, because this is another problem, that the girl is practically spends all his waking time on the phone or tablet, but if we make this communication and spending time manageable, if we attach practical benefits to this, when the child will not just waste time, but learn something that will help let him... learn to get a profession, child, again, when an experienced, say, blogger says, child, i’ll tell you right away, if you play there for more than two or

three hours, you’ll lose your eyesight there, you ’ll lose others there we have some kind of communication and other skills, that is, we need authority, but if i understood you correctly, then the strategy is something like this , in order to free a child from captivity of this thoughtless gadget pastime and from this black hole , you need, that is, we... are looking for something to cling to, where do we have a resource, the resource we have is that she doesn’t just watch, she’s still smart and well done, she produces her own content, and this is now a hook for you and me that we need to grab onto, and this thread too you need to hold out, maybe then the strategy is such that we say, dear , you’re doing great, really the world of gadgets of this internet content is your world, you’re great at doing digital things, but then you need either artyom.. with his wife, or, as you say, one of these allies, they tell her, listen, you live in sochi, maybe you can make a series of mini-videos about your

extreme parks, about your watering holes, that is , make her spend more time on producing content, so we did something like this, and what do i like? she doesn’t like what she’s doing, then listen to what andrei says, let him praise her, let someone praise her for this content, so i actually would like to take advantage of... the stands of the first channel and contact bloggers, dear bloggers who deal with children's content, please, well somehow contact me, because my child needs you to say that she is great and that... so that she spends more time in the family, and not on these internets of yours, not only in the family, but does something... then, she did something exactly, including, by the way, arttyom, in this case, here’s some more advice , we know that in many cities there are certain grant programs, when a child who, say, films some kind of content about his hometown, he may also get money for this, i emphasize that i immediately understand that competition in this field is very big, it can be very difficult to actually

get through to these grants, but again, i know examples of parents. who acted out such a miniature, and such a micro-scene, the child said, let’s apply, we actually applied, didn’t win anything, but the parents tell the child, listen, and you won, that is, we are deceiving the child a little, manipulating in the good sense of the word, we say that we have been allocated a certain budget, this is your budget, the parents’ budget, this is some 5-10,000 conditionally, that is, we are not talking about millions, and we say, here we have there is a task, we have a technical task that we must implement, and then she must understand, “well , of course it’s cool for you to compete, your mom is a professional photographer, your dad is a journalist, well, of course, with such a team you will do better, then “she must, through some other people, understand that it is not her mom and dad who are so edifying running around on the grid, which means they are flapping their wings, that the gadget

stole our child, and that dad and mom are, in principle, allies.” they can be exploited, in this case the child increases his authority, he feels responsible, because leadership is responsibility , and i repeat to us, the most important element is practice. orientation, that is, if we find orientation in real life for what a child does in a gadget, if we pull it out of the internet from virtuality to reality, in this reality it is monetized with real money or real praise, then this is... that new emotional dependence, but it is correct, because it does not push the child out of reality, but rather into this reality returns, everything you said, thank you very much, i hope that this program will serve as a lesson for her so that she takes my mother and me into her team of bloggers or developers, it doesn’t matter, but the most important thing is that i i wanted to say, here’s andrey, i have two children,