[000:00:00;00] even on the suitcase in which this razor was packed for me, yesenin klyuev, it was written on copper plates like these, not tablets, they are, of course, metal plates, and also a very beautiful crystal glass, it was a gift to me, a woman brought a crystal glass, she came to my museum, she looked, i gave a tour, showed her everything , so she says, but i didn’t come to you empty-handed, you know, we... ilya or schneider gave my father this glass, such a box from - under the cookies, well, laid in cloth, she brought this glass, on which on the lid of this cookie box, a sheet of paper pasted and the hand of ilya ilvich schneider , the director of the school asidora duncan, from twenty, he writes there at the age of 49, i think that the school

existed for 28 years and even during the war. can you imagine, duncan drank from these glasses, no, he says, he writes there, he just describes it, he says, i brought this crystal glass from home for cleaning, it stood in a glass slide in asidor duncan’s room, he says, yeseina loved this glass and always drank from him, and even years, years are marked, and that he, and i knew him, ilya ilyich, schneider, he was already, this was the tenth year, he passed away at seventy-eight. so he gave this glass to his friend, and his friend’s daughter brought it to me with this description, and such a primitive question, and the amount of liquid there, how much does the glass hold? it looks very solid, it’s like this, but i had to try it on, it’s not like this, i wouldn’t be a museum worker, 50 g, in total, oh, modestly, you could have straight vodka from this

drink glasses. i’ll tell you even longer, seryozha without arms, when he was getting ready to play, already on the eve of playing yesenin in the cinema, he came to me and said, petrovich, let me drink this glass, everyone would ask, and from a museum one, and he drank it, i took communion like that , this is what i like to do in the museum, not in the sense of drinking, touching some things, wonderful, and you also have wonderful remarkable things that i would like to talk about, we will show it, this is a spoon, yes, a silver spoon that you gave to me idilia zinovievna, she was the widow of the great-grandson of lev nikolayevich tolstoy's nephew, her husband was the nephew of sofia andreevna, tolstoy's granddaughter, who was her nephew, the nephew passed

away, she became seen. she called me and said, she found me herself, i went to her, then she came to see me at the museum , looked at it, then decided to give away this silver spoon, this silverware from clear polyana, ilva nikolaevich tolstoy’s already widowed wife sofia andreevna, gave it to her grandchildren, among the grandchildren of granddaughters, sofya andreevna was a granddaughter, she was a daughter andrei lvovich, there was this one. a spoon that fell, it could feed jam to ilva nikolaevich and sergei, we continue the conversation about sergei yesenin, our guest today is people's artist sergei petrovich nikanenko, and i am the presenter ekaterina varkan, we move on to the next page of our

story, just sofya andreevna - this is the last wife, official, of the relationship, this story, as far as i understand, she handed over to the literary museum, along with a certain thing that we will now talk about, she says that in june of twenty-five they walked with yesenin around moscow, who forgot, then in moscow there were a lot of wandering musicians, puppeteers, organ grinders, well, sofya andreevna says that some fortune teller came up to them, a parrot pulled a ring out of yesenin’s hat, a small bronze ring , and that means this ring was given to sergei alexandrovich, and this is like a sign of two young people walking, this means that a parrot pulls out a ring for a man, we have photographs of this ring, and that’s what

she’s all about. she said when she was already transmitting this ring is going to the literary museum, in my opinion, yesenin also wrote poems about this, as you just called sharmanka, i remembered this poem, yes, yes, yes, and on september 18... yesenin married sofya tolstoy, maybe let's listen to a poem about a parrot, read it? of course, because sergei aleksandrovich dedicated a poem to this plot, in fact, i immediately remembered this poem, when you said the word sharmanka, yes, there is a link there, yes, yes, apparently it’s been like this forever, by the age of thirty get over it. the ruts are becoming stronger and stronger, we keep in touch with life. darling, i will soon turn 30, and the earth becomes dearer to me

every day, that’s why my heart began to dream that i was burning with pink fire, if i burn, then i burn, and it’s not for nothing that flowers get stuck, i took out the ring from the parrot. a sign that we will burn together. the gypsy woman put that ring on me, took it off my hand, i gave it to you, and now, when the barrel organ is sad, i can neither think nor work , a swampy feeling wanders in my head, there is drizzle and darkness in my heart, maybe for someone to another, you gave it with a laugh, maybe kissing until dawn , he questions you himself, like a funny, stupid poet, you brought him to sensual poems, well, well,

this too will pass early, it’s only bitter to see the edge of life, for the first time once such a hooligan was deceived by a damned parrot. thank you, well, this is a description of that moment in sergei aleksanovich’s life, the life period of the summer, the beginning of autumn, you know, somehow he already felt that he had experienced so much, how much the road had been traveled, how many mistakes had been made, these are lines from his own, so he already felt his age, he was already wise, beyond his years. well, you know what i feel, i keep remembering that balcony from which we started, and there they showed a lot of photographs of local residents, children, local village children, relatives, well, the people with whom

yesenin lived and spent his childhood, i had a feeling that he was an alien of some kind, that is , he seemed to have been thrown there from somewhere, because he was different from them in everything, they are good, they are good, but he is completely different. all the time you confirm, my thought, atasinki will still give birth to oranges, and sometimes, you know, this was noticed by the priest of sela konstantinova, the rector of the church of the kazan icon of the mother of god, father ivan, who said to yesenina’s mother, tatyana fedorovna: “take care of the boy, and when said when yesenin was 5 years old, he says: “what is it, father ivan ,” he says, you know, i have four villages in a row. he comes to confession, i can’t compare your boy with anyone, he’s absolutely amazing in confession, from here it seems to me that this is also poetry, but incredibly confessional, he does not

embellish himself, nor events, nor conflicts, nor joyful days of his life, everything about him, you know, is incredibly true, alien. again, there is another saying, an apple tree from an apple tree, i have a feeling that some kind of apple is from this apple tree, it flew somewhere into space, and then god fell all the way to where he writes about this apple in the confession of a hooligan, no everyone can sing, not everyone can fall like an apple at someone else’s feet, not at their own relatives, but has already rolled somewhere the world god is all over the place, it actually turns out, look at the picture, but he’s from christ. a christian, yes, he married a countess, received the empress’s ring, but died in december of twenty-five, a russian poet, you watched the precious

stories podcast, i am the host ekaterina varkan, my guest is the people’s artist of the russian federation, sergei petrovich nikanenko, together with sergei alexandrovich yesenin, russian poet, thank you. hello, i’m larisa guzeeva, this is a podcast of letters, there will be no letters today, my guest is gennady khazanov, i’m so happy that you came, i didn’t sleep the night, i was so crazy, i ruined all my nails, everything , i called all the time, wrote to the editor, i say , i’m afraid, the first person who, because you know, there is such immeasurable love, here from the first, i swear to you, as soon as i saw you there was such respect and such adoration, and this has passed through my whole life. i have never heard a single bad gossip about you, i

have never seen a single person who would twist the face of a parishioner, on the contrary, that’s how you are, you are, in general, like that, according to today by our standards, we have come a long way, not among the most beautiful people , not among the most honest, not the most sincere, what does it say, envious, evil, who are ready... children are ready to destroy, how did you preserve yourself, in general, who helped you? now, first of all, thank you for such words, me too today , and this is not, not - for the sake of a symmetrical answer, for some reason i’ve been on my feet today since 3:00 am, i won’t take, uh, i’ve been since 3 :00 at night

i didn’t think about what we’ll have to talk about with you, larisa, but i, i think that this is what i’m saying without any caquet, no there is no masochism in what i’m about to say, i started my own channel three years ago, and yet i’m satisfied that after 3 years the figure, which has exceeded 44 million views, is impressive, in this sense, but it gives reason take what you do seriously, but that’s not what the story is about now, the story is that i read

comments all the time. that are placed in these publications, if you have enough time for 15-20 minutes one day and you look, you will see how many nasty, monstrous words you have to read to yourself, i can to say why you are reading this, i will say, a person, from my point of view, should not live in a greenhouse with the idea that you live wrapped in some kind of velvet blanket, should not, should not, but read abominations from people who are themselves abominations they won’t write normally, it doesn’t prolong your life, it doesn’t make you brighter, freer, more talented, it doesn’t open your eyes to

something new, it doesn’t shape you, it ’s just that you changed your role, it doesn’t make you range, it destroys you, it destroys me, i cry, and my daughter says to me: mom, you’re a masochist, why are you reading, it wouldn’t occur to a normal person to discuss my appearance, my weight, my age, and so on, so i just beg you. don’t read, please, it’s better, that’s better, let’s remember those who adored you, i’ll definitely talk about it, but i must tell you that those to whom i owe what i managed to achieve at this age point are among them there were people who didn’t always pat you on the head, well, who, for example, who

shaped you like this, look, here... for example, i had an unforgettable favorite teacher, how to say teacher, larisa, this is a very crude definition, all my attempts to get into a theater school suffered very serious failures, that’s it, i graduated from school, and it was so funny in order to quickly become artist. i dropped out of high school because high school was switched to eleven-year education, i said, how? this is another year, i have to endure, well, i’ll endure it, but how will humanity manage without this gift, in short, i

’m leaving school, and i’m going to evening school working youth, and there was a year, and there was 10, yes, they were not transferred to 11 years, but for this they had to work, i went to the factory with a woodworker, 20 days after i turned 16 years old, i every i went to the factory every day, because i was a child who grew up in zamoskvorechye, and every remaining house there is a witness to my life. i drove to the paveleletsk market, and along bakhrushin street, past the bakhrushin theater museum, there was my own factory. nowhere, after i finished this evening school with youth work, i was not accepted, moreover, i was given quite serious diagnoses

, professional ones, well, for example, i went for a consultation at the shchokinsky school, the person who conducted the consultation is no longer alive, therefore, i will allow myself not to mention his name, especially since this doesn’t matter, he looked, i was imagining something there , reading something, something, they called me to the table and said, boy, you never need to do this, you have no humor and temperament, and after for many years i thought: it’s not good to arrogantly tell what they told you, that’s why, or maybe you really seemed like that, that there was a feeling that you had neither one nor the other, a young man shouldn’t, but tamara fedorovna makarova told me, a seventeen-year-old girl, she

said: you have no charm, you don’t need this profession, yes, yes, i’m not shy, yes pamart told me, since i am a very superstitious person in this sense, very much, but i have a serious reason for this to be opinionated, i understand, life kept me going until the moment i meet this woman, this woman did not even take a course at the variety circus school, she worked at the satire theater until the end of the fifties. then she quarreled with the main director of the satire theater , valentin nikolaevich pluchik, and left the theater. and subsequently olga alsanova, whom my nadezhda ivanovna slonova

took care of, told me a story. this means that she came from leningrad and entered the satire theater. and nadezhda ivanovna looked after her as a young artist, she really liked her, she had character, she was cool, she was according to the sign, a fiery horse, according to the eastern calendar, and a lion, wow, she was , in short, she calls the young rossila to her home, set the table, she lived in a tiny two-room apartment, not far from the belarusian train station, yaru says: i came, there in a black guipure dress, she was from such a wealthy family, and rossieva had a high-ranking dad, she is the golden girl of moscow, well, at least like that, yes, a well-fed consciousness, well, that was it, yes, she was

like that, here she comes to nadezhda ivanovna, nadezhda ivanovna says: “olya, sit down, i i want to make a spiritual will, and olga arna, she was so bad, she generally loved, everything, she loved life, she knew how, she knew how to live, she, in general, she was alive, very, well, in short, she told me, i was so tense , sat down on a chair, and nadezhda ivanovna said: “ol, i know, with me.” oncology, which means that she was actually operated on; she left the theater in the late fifties after an oncological operation. yes, she said, i know that my

end is near, by the way, she died in 2002, at the age of 96, she, so she said, olya, remember, if a small ray comes up to my coffin, god forbid, he starts saying something? olya, you know me, i’ll get up and leave. this woman, she played a very serious role in my development, she was not very generous with compliments, throughout the entire period of study, she once gave me an a at graduation, once, well, i gave it and good, thank god, then in in the mid-seventies... success all fell in, and it seemed to me that i

was already somewhere at the heights, and so it was, well, yes, but in the seventy-eighth year i became a theater director to play her first solo variety show, well , she came, she smoked all her life, it was good. the first part is over, she goes down the stairs to have a smoke and i go with her, she looked at me like that and ran her finger across my cheek like that and said: genya, and by that time i was assembling a stadium in the sports palace, your brezhnev loved , she ’s pointing her finger like that... “gen, i congratulate you, are you

starting to become an artist? i perceive these words absolutely adequately, and i’m answering this in such a long time and in detail, i’m talking to myself i remind you of boris nikolaviciano , whom one artist in an art theater asked about his well-being, said behind his neck: look , you asked me, so listen in detail, just like that, so i really need these reviews, that’s why, if not these reviews, if it weren’t for my reactions to this, and uh, the training to take the blow, maybe what happened to me in my life would not have happened to me when i changed the record in my professional life. nadezhda ivanovna always told me, gen,

remember what i tell you, mix up the cards, confuse, don’t let them get used to you, you have to change all the time, listen, but no, read the reviews and you won’t understand what kind of evil little people are in general, it’s one thing that hope told you such things, larisochka, but i ’m trying to take it out of it, i ’m insulting due to the form of these people, god bless them, i don’t, i don’t, i’m not talking about this, i want to say that i’m asking the question, what, well, is there, what if there is some grain of rationality there, then one more thing, alexander sergeevich already said this long before us, and not challenge a fool, yes, but in general you can withstand the blow, it gets better over the years, although... they beat me very painfully

, very much, and they beat me the most offensively, my colleagues beat me the most, and although they explained to me, why are you surprised, well, what do you want, but what was the most offensive thing to hear or learn from them, well, a lot can be said, especially since we can together forget about everything that happened behind our backs, god be with them, but i remember the most terrible thing when my friends, well, colleagues , because i can’t call them friends, 19 years ago they started sharing a theater, and when june 12, 2004. i was supposed to have a rehearsal of the play, which was called everything like people’s, with what wording, they tried

to take it away, but they had the wording, they didn’t want me to be in this theater, that’s all, nothing more, in short, they came to me the man who at that moment was the boss, well then it was called the department of culture, even these deprosli, he said, on the table of lushkov, who at that time was the former moscow, there is a document about your removal. if you have time to do something, try, it was a national holiday, it was, uh, russian day, june 12, i had an invitation to the kremlin for a reception and instead of an invitation, i went to a run-through of the play, we had a run-through scheduled, i asked

trushkin to take time off from the audience, right? i said: “ too lazy, you can move the run, i need to leave,” he asked what happened, i said, later, i don’t want to now, i went, i resolved this issue, but this scar on my heart remained with me forever life, i continue to communicate with these people, what horror? i understand you, i know, i never hear them, it’s not, i don’t remind them, they can’t don’t understand that i remember this, and it’s inconvenient for you, you even feel sorry for them, yes, well, maybe, maybe i feel sorry for them, because when i asked, i said, guys, you wanted

to take it away, but what what did you want to do there? they told me quite sincerely: we wanted to remove all the rows in the hall, put tables and do it as a corporate room , comedy, well, yes, well, yes, but why did we have to kill the theater for this, why not build another room then, do that? moreover, what i told them, i told them, guys. so that you don't it was, this is the most important thing, so you know, an envious person, he is not envious because you have it, but he doesn’t, he can have 100 times more, well, no matter what you have, but you know, that you and i were both illegitimately born, i have a dash on my birth certificate, right? yes , my mother left, and now i can talk about it, all my life i was jealous and

made up stories, but i also have stories about my father, well, he’s still alive. so that he could give himself a better, more beautiful bite and so that everyone would say his legs just say that he is not such a girl brought up how i was there, his wife didn’t allow him, you understand, and i wanted and i wanted to be , everyone said everything and he knows, and this is all my life, too, these are also my teachers, these are also teachers, i don’t need to shake myself up for a long time, i’m here, that’s all. like this right here. well, this is larisch, well, this is with you, well, this has been with you for a very long time, because i i because i, i, as one person said, i have been living for a long time, i had reason to observe the entire period of your appearance and your dawn and your finest hour, that’s all , regarding

illegality, it means the biggest... century i i found out that from 1975 to the end of 1982, i lived in the same house with my father, i didn’t know this, of course, but he knew, but how, he knew, and how, then one day, he was no longer alive, i knew he was gone. i was already at the variety theater and the secretary said to me: you know, how this woman really wanted to talk to you, she said that she was friends with your father, so she left her phone number, maybe you should call her, honestly, i began to think , i probably need something, i’ll ask for everything, i didn’t want to call, then i think,

ok, i’ll call so i don’t have to scold myself later. suddenly this woman says to me: forgive me for disturbing you, the fact is that i am many years old, i will die soon, i have to tell you something, i... was very friends with your father, me and my husband, we were your father’s closest friends, okay, so, he loved you very much, i’m listening, i think he loved you so much that he never found me in his life, you didn’t know yet that you lived, no, it was all before how she is your mother, sorry, she knew that he lived, my mother did not know and was never with him didn’t meet, she never came to me, she didn’t, but if she knew, she would have said, or it was taboo, it was taboo , i’ve never been a mother, i’ve never asked

anything about him in my life, once in the eightieth year i received an envelope, in this envelope there was a photograph, on the photograph, on the back of the photograph there was an inscription, on this photograph, your father is as old as you are now, he was photographed in military uniform, this is the 45th year of the end of the war, it really was like that, he was 35 years old in this photo, then it turned out that his wife put it in my mailbox, i received this envelope, my first reaction was, loris... suddenly this woman tells me, you know, in general, he

lived there with his wife, with two children, in your house , i call my friend, and i have already left there, i call him and say, see, you can go to the sixth floor, because they told me that i need to look at the apartment in my flock, i lived on the fourteenth, and as this one told me woman, he lived on the sixth floor, he says, i’ll call you back now, he went and said, there lived a family, a husband, a wife, both of them are no longer in the world and there are their two sons, that is , these are mine and this is not hers from a previous marriage, these are your blood, that is, from your father, from my father, but this is a stepmother, mother

they have, then we have different mothers, this is called blood, one mother, once half-bred, that is, you are blood, that means, now okay, then i find out that the youngest is not very healthy, i don’t know if he’s alive now or not, i once threw myself in front of a train on the subway, it was the younger one, and the older one was really looking for a meeting with me, i thought that it was 2010, i thought , well, we should probably meet, well, something like that, i said, you know what, come to the theater first, well, at least we’ll go through some steps, getting closer, right? after our conversation there was a pause for several days, during which time i suddenly read an interview with him in some yellow newspaper,

because he immediately became a star, they began to interview him there, and he said very bad things about my mother, i i read this. then there was a performance to which he came, i sat him right, right in front of his nose, he sat in the first row, that is, i had the opportunity to sometimes glance, by the end of the performance i realized that i had nothing to talk to him about, i didn’t want to talk or communicate, nothing, okay, but he didn’t burst into the storm room after, no, no, he didn’t break in, maybe he understood what you read, no, no, i don’t know, but he started on me... the media put pressure on me, then, it means, suddenly this woman, who called, she she

told me, i talked to her about something, she said, you know, tomorrow at your brother’s birthday, it was a summer month, i... december it was some kind of now, i ’ll tell you some july or august something like that, tomorrow is his birthday. and i say: well, okay, i just have to tell you how he was born , i say, well, tell me, she says, your mother, holding you in her arms, well, how many 7 months, there weren’t 8 months, she came to him and became show me to this woman as material evidence of what a scumbag

her husband is. after this story the picture turned 180° for me, i realized that this a man lived all his life under wild fear, which was arranged for him by this woman who gave birth to a child prematurely that night, she had contractions from stress, and apparently she did not forgive him until the end of her days, even when i had already... moved to this house, and i was already in status, why did i already have, everything, everything , she knew, and he knew, she sent me this envelope in 1980, why such a long and tedious story, maybe, i don’t blame anyone, i just became over the years, in this sense, just wiser, i’m not a judge of anyone, you

are everyone’s lawyer, and brother, i’m not a judge of anyone, and even these who wanted to take away the theater, although many of them continue to look me in the eyes to this day, i look at them with regret, life is finite anyway, they will also end this road, let everything be fine for them, i have to share with them nothing, i’m a happy person, i lived my life... in a lot of love, why should i complain, i can’t just have everyone adore me and kiss me, from head to toe, well, that’s not true, so sometimes, in order to know something about myself, i open it and think you see some kind of disgusting, read it, then when i read it, i think, shame on you. why are you

writing this? i’m closing, i think i need to complain to larisa, larisa says, don’t read this, but i listen, i think, if i hadn’t read, where would i now find so many words to talk about it. dear friends, the creative industry podcast is on air, this is an anniversary episode, but the anniversary is not ours, but mikhailovich shvov’s. mikhail efimovich, hello, thank you very much, we won’t say how many years, because everyone already knows, i think there’s nothing to be ashamed of, they are watching, but mi, special

presidential representative for international affairs. and artistic director of the moscow musical theatre, what do you think, when you appear on the screen, what does the population think first, the population thinks about how to quickly turn off the tv, i’m speaking completely seriously, i must say right away that i generally treat it with trepidation any public, because if there is no contact with the public on television or in the theater, then it’s their fault, it’s their fault... it’s not the public, in this sense it’s always right, i’m like, soviet store, there was always an inscription above the saleswoman, the buyer is always right, the public is always right, well, someone thinks that i am the host of the agora program there and in general, like a person who has read three books, some people like it when i ran a shelter for comedians or

let's say, life... was wonderful and sang songs, i liked it more too, to be honest, uh, because i came to yale university, and - that means, i was there - at the - words department, gave several lectures on the history of russian culture, at this university at this time, and he taught there, unlike me on a permanent basis, there was such an outstanding lithuanian poet, tomas venslavova, he was so wonderful, and my hostess, who invited me to yale university, says to me, she says, listen, let 's go have dinner , well, thomas wenslov and his wife will come, well, i got ready, read it right away , which means... i started looking for his element, but in order to make some kind of impression, and uh, he came to me and said, oh, how we love your program , life is beautiful, and we began to remember soviet songs, so that’s all the thing is, it didn’t come to poetry, in general, in your person, the ministry of culture became

the ministry of happiness, it seems to me, because you are always a very cheerful person, you always broadcast this culture, which really enriches a person with emotions, positive emotions, once upon a time. .. grisha gorin’s grandfather, grigory, said: boys, when you like life, it goes by faster, this is one of the very important truths and i believe that one of the serious problems, here we are, when there was covid, and it ended , we were allowed play for 25% of the audience in the hall, and everything was clear, we played for 25% , we suffered losses there, then they allowed 50 and the life is wonderful formula worked amazingly, because people left home, all quarantines ended, everyone thought that now begins, and then, that means, after the special military operation began

, we sat and thought for a long time, we should generally play a play called life is beautiful, and we decided to play it, the audience will respond very much... it’s warm, mikhail efenovich , but how do you think such a huge path, it could be my personal question is, but to what extent are we masters of our own destiny? when we go and build this path, maybe in co-creation, it’s a good question, i never thought that i could decide my own destiny there, i understood perfectly well that we we live in such proposed circumstances that there are large lines of history that dictate this or that behavior, because in any proposed circumstances, you can behave, well, decently, or you can behave indecently, this does not mean i’m a conformist, i’m

an absolute conformist , i accept the terms life as it is, i don’t invent anything, i don’t try to fight there... and shout that we are now going to change everything, now we will rebuild everything, i’m talking about this in general, this is not about me, as the good soldier schweig said , i am a member of the party of moderate progress within the framework of the rule of law, well, this position is from childhood, well, yes, when i lived with my grandmother, my mother had her own family, my father had his own family, and naturally, this is the need not to offend anyone . find some right balance, sometimes even, well, sometimes even collect, as long as not, well, not to offend one or the other there and so on, well, there was no need to lie to my grandmother, she knew everything, because i lived with her, i lived with my grandmother until i was 20, my

grandparents, i would like it that way move forward a little to where you became a minister and on the day when the president invited you to become a minister, i know that you... went into the president’s office with the intention of, as it were , generally refusing, there the president convinced you, but i’m interested another question, when you left the president, what are you talking about? moment they thought, i thought about how terrible it was, i just understood that the situation that existed in 2000 was extremely difficult, so you don’t understand what the state of the ministry of culture was. i was the chairman of the all-russian state television and radio broadcasting company , a large office, everything else, we then carried out, well , then it was called automation, now it is called digitalization, there was

a moscow computer center that did