[000:00:00;00] i wanted to move a little forward to where you became a minister and on the day when the president invited you to become a minister, i know that you went into the president’s office with the intention of, as it were, generally refusing, the president convinced you there, but i ’m interested in another question: when you left the president’s office, what were you thinking at that moment? i thought there, what a horror, i just understood that... the situation that was in 2000 was extremely difficult, well, just so you don’t understand how the ministry of culture was composed, i was the chairman all-russian royal television and radio broadcasting company, a large office, a large office, everything else, we then carried out, well, then it was called automation, now it is called digitalization, there was such a moscow

computer center - which, uh, did for us then the best that could be, from the point of view of communications, i had the internet in my office, life was just getting better, but this whole story was just beginning and we were seriously working on it, mikhailievich lesin was a person of the highest degree passionate about the kingdom of heaven this means an office, where there are eight screens back and forth, communication, communication, we then, then that was all, you know, when suddenly from a phone like this you received a phone that wasn’t like this, yes, but you got this phone , and then a very small one, but it was something incredible, i come to the ministry of culture, or rather, my assistant , a television guy, comes to the ministry of culture, enters the office, which means he speaks, and eric’s typewriter is standing there, with

such a big, big carriage, that’s it, and he he says, guys, at least you’re there, well, like some kind of computer, put it on, well, when i arrived, there was a computer, yeah, i tried to use this computer to contact the secretary, at least, it turned out, no, they installed a computer, but there were no communication networks inside the ministry’s networks, yes, but this is a minor detail. but it is very characteristic, we tried to live on television there, closer to the 20th century, but here everything was still poor, firstly, there was no money, that’s the worst thing, i left the ministry in 1997, when there were some terrible offsets, monstrous, something transgas somewhere through some kind of something, the brain is building something, then in

the end it should have turned out... the salary for - that means there, how much was , probably 1,700 people, when the first parish, when you were replaced , when i was deputy minister, yes, with all this nonsense, so to speak, with horror, i realized that this was something completely transcendental, and i, when in 2000 i came, i realized that this was a colossal problem, you see, there was a very difficult moment, in in the nineties there was no money, the cultural institution said, guys, you are free, hand over there, i’ll pass it on. survive, there was one idea, we must give credit to evgeniy ilyevich sedorov and konstantin aleksandrovich cherbakov, who was his first deputy, there was one idea, to preserve everything that could be preserved in the sphere of culture, and when they tell me now, there was book publishing, we were the most popular country, i always say, the most people who read between the lines is a country, but if we look at, say, inventories, well

, the library fund there is ninety-two years, then 3/4 - the classics of marxism or there is a small land lenington obrezhny and i don’t know tens of millions there, so the design itself was very strange and of course the main task was money money money money money money and then the idea of ​​the cultural revolution program developed in general, my affair with television is such a real one that began in the 2000s, well, such as a presenter, right? he was connected with one, i said, it’s ironclad, the secretary-minister of finance should recognize me, not the minister of finance, i see him, here’s the secretary and there women who work in departments, in the ministry of finance, in the ministry of economics, because you came, the man from tv, well, he sings songs on sundays or saturdays, well, he comes, well, well, what’s he like, well , the odd one out there to refuse, well, what well, in general,

here we are, here we are, here we are. uh, but in fact, there were an incredibly many problems, and it was a colossal problem, i will never forget, i was appointed in february, muddy march... such sunshine, the ministry of culture of the russian federation was located in the building was former or not, it was built for a computer center, so it was very, it was unique, and some huge glass, cloudy, it was difficult and expensive to wash them, and two people come to my office, mikhail aleksanovich ulyanov and kirillovich lavrov, whom i naturally knew as a theater critic, were boys, they