[000:00:00;00] also the desire, consent and possibility that the gaza sector, at the end of the military operation, when real negotiations begin, will come under the authority of the palestinian authority , mahmoud abas, who was now shown on tv, the president of the palestinian authority , also demanded this. , and they have already agreed on this with the americans, the united states supports the idea, then gaza should return to the rule of the palestinian authority, the decision of the league of arab muslim states, it only plays into the favor of this decision, let's see how when this is implemented, i want to add one more thing, mahmoud abas’ demand was, it was stated to the americans, that they are ready to take control of gaza within the framework of a single

recognized state, that is , i think that these two processes will begin in parallel, one transfer of gas to the palestinian authority, second, in parallel with this, real negotiations will begin on the creation of a palestinian state, no matter how anyone opposes this, including here in israel. this is the situation today, i want to add one more thing, that league of muslim states, demanded the return of all captured mercenaries, that is, the first time a demand was made by arab countries, return the hostages. yakov, when i listen to you, you sound, as usual, very convincing, and one gets the impression that the israeli

operation is successful, that not only is it being carried out successfully from a military point of view, but israel is moving towards realizing its political goals, and that these goals are largely, well, at least acceptable for most arab states, but you know, probably no worse me that there is a storm of indignation taking place. especially in the arab world regarding civilian casualties, gases, israel is criticized , israel is castigated, israel is threatened, and even the united states, even the biden administration, in general, is beginning to separate itself,

to some extent, from the israeli position about to what extent are hospitals for... legitimate military purposes, if underneath them there are actually hamas military fortifications, sometimes not even under them, in them, but nevertheless, this whole, i don’t know what to call it, this whole shaft protests, this is from from your point of view, the inevitable political noise, which can be taken into account a little at the level of rhetoric and very little... in terms of practical actions, casualties, what is called the civilian population, firstly, israel did not destroy a single hospital , this is actually proven, and there is no hospital that we would destroy, second, a proven fact, most hospitals and civilian institutions, there are certain warehouses or rocket launchers, or

hamas fortifications, no one accuses israel, not even the united states, that we intentionally we destroy the civilian population, these are collateral losses, maybe there could be fewer of them, i don’t know, but this is a very difficult problem, to fight in the most densely populated area of ​​the world, when terrorists hide behind the civilian population, we are near the main hospital, in gaza shifa, by the way, this hospital was built by israelis and israelis worked there all the time. and we suggested to the management of the hospital, with the head of the hospital, you don’t have enough fuel, we will give it to you, he says hamas don’t allow it, we told them, okay, we are ready to take everything incubators, all the children who need help, we will take them and transport them to the best hospital in israel, to telesumer, to save their lives, to cure them, as it was before, he says hamas does not allow it, that

is, not everything is so simple and we we are not storming this hospital, we are not shelling it, we are suggesting, get out of there and let us deal with the hamas who are in the dungeons of this... hospital, but no one is shooting at it and there are no casualties inside the hospital, that is, i admit, that there is a sacrifice, maybe some could have been avoided, but war is war, it’s not for nothing that the israeli minister of defense, when immediately after hamas, he said, hamas doesn’t understand, they opened the gates of hell, and hell is what happens, the second in relation to demonstrations, ae demonstrations, most demonstrations, if you look , these are muslims or arabs, as always, this has always been the case, this has happened in all wars , they have always been anti-israeli and at the demonstrations in london that you showed, but you can’t hear what they are shouting, but they were shouting, the death of

a jew, here these are the 300,000 that went to they shouted at the top of their lungs, the death of a jew, we see it, we hear it, but not only these demonstrations, yesterday there was... a huge demonstration in paris, 180,000 people, they marched under french flags, against the backdrop of these demonstrations, the entire french community took part there the political elite, the chairmen of parliament , everyone came, and marilipen and others, anrile, i’m not sure, they all demanded one thing, to stop anti-semitism, to stop these hysterical calls for murder. jews, that is, it’s not all so clear and simple, there were similar demonstrations in germany, the same there were demonstrations in other countries, that is, they are not for israel, they are against anti-semitism , they are against turning these

demonstrations in defense of gas into anti-semitic persecution, this is what is happening now, we treat all this with understanding, we are these demonstrations will not... move from our point of view, the demand is clear: first, in order to cease fire, the hostages must be returned, they still do not allow hostages to be taken by anyone, not even the red cross, then we will talk about a ceasefire, second, hamas must be disappear from the territory of gaza, as a military and political force, then it can be resolved, just as the palestinian issue is now being negotiated, which was not resolved because of the terror of hamas, after fatah abandoned terror. yakov, thank you very much; from my point of view, you

have a very clear presentation of the israeli position, and of course, your own views. and you are right that this situation is not simple, and of course, there are many different... perspectives on it, but i agree with one thing, that when it comes to military actions, israel, of course, effectively carries out its tasks, and i also agree that israel does not deliberately attack civilians, to what extent has israel made it a priority to avoid casualties among civilians, this, as you know, is a question, thank you very much and hope to see you again soon you on our air. thank you, good luck in your work, all the best. thank you very much, well, this is the situation,

irina zvigelskaya, doctor of historical sciences, director of the center for middle eastern studies, and indeed a very famous specialist in the arab world, the middle east, but also . dealt with israel, you know well, if you want the internal dynamics from that, from another country, you heard yakov katmi, it seemed to me that, as it were, in presenting the israeli position, he was very effective, but as i understand it, this is not the position that acceptable to the majority of the state of israel, what do you think? first of all, i think we have too many unknowns, and even after what yakov kedna said. this uncertainty was not dissipated. first, this means that kedmi said, we all know this, that israel is clearing the north of gas and that large crowds of people, so to speak, are forced

to move to the south, they are asked to do this so that there are fewer casualties among the civilian population, and so on, somehow this is a transition for them provides. parts of hamas are leaving with them. israel's task, as it was. the goal was to completely destroy hamas. suppose they cleared the north, what will they do with the south? where will they put these people who have gathered there now, together, of course. with some by the forces of hamas, this is my first question, it’s not clear to me, especially since you think it’s clear to israel, well, let them tell us somehow, you know, i’d like to ask them a question, at least if it’s clear to them , then until this was voiced, it was not voiced anywhere, but after what yakov just said , this question simply lies on the surface, this is the first, the second question, which i also think lies on the surface, is the question of ' about how long this successful

so-called operation will take, because every day, in connection with what is happening, israel is losing its reputation, i don’t know whether the israeli elite understands this or does not understand, but the fact remains that the more victims, the longer all this lasts, it doesn’t matter that, of course, they specifically do not want the death of a peaceful population, we understand this perfectly well, but the operation is like in a very densely populated area, that it will entail more and more victims among absolutely innocent people, that’s how it will be with this and will 3 weeks be enough, or as netanyahu said, for us in general it will take a year to this will finally be sorted out, and the last point, in my opinion, is fundamentally important, yakov said that then negotiations will begin, mahmoud abas will be there, the palestinian authority will be there.

and accordingly, negotiations will then begin with them on creating a palestinian state, well, that would be wonderful, but netanyahu himself says that there will be no control of the palestinian authority there, we will not allow this, we will control it ourselves, because only as long as we control, we guarantee that there is no there will be radical, extremist, terrorist organizations. it’s clear, but what’s really going on, we hear completely different assessments, namely from the israelis, i’m not taking into account, so to speak, other parties who are interested in resolving this conflict, well, how should this be understood, how should this be understood , this is a complex question, and in order to understand this, you need to understand the position of the united states, which is also not so simple, and which seems to change along the way,

let’s listen to the last two quotes president biden's national security adviser jake sullovan, two quotes that from my perspective go in slightly different directions and one invalidates the other, let's listen, i wanted to ask you about the future, i know you've been talking about this since day one , what will happen to the gas next? from our point of view, the basic principles of further actions are extremely simple. last week, mr. blinken publicly voiced them: no reoccupation of gas, no forced eviction of the palestinian people, never gas should not be used as a base for terrorism, but also should not lose its territories. does israel follow the rules of war? i'm not going to sit here and play judge or panel.

jury, but i will outline the principles that the united states adheres to in this matter, israel has the right and even the obligation to protect itself from attacks by terrorist groups, alexander bakov, deputy chairman of the state duma, here are two statements from recent statements by jake sarvin, in my opinion, they were even made in one day on the one hand he seems to somewhat separate the united states from the position of israel, it seems that they should be worried, on the other hand he says: and we are not israel’s judge, in general, i don’t think netanyahu is particularly interested in political analysis in washington, he's interested in the extent to which the united states is willing to support israel, so that's how you would interpret biden's national security adviser's statement. i agree with you here that, of course,

sullivan’s statements relate to america’s position if if america had not supported israel in the form in which it is now happening, israel is sure that it would have coordinated its actions, maybe differently, but today we touched on a very important topic, look, even in the words of the respected mr. kedmi, there were a lot of such phrases like collateral sacrifices there, that is, these are collateral sacrifices, but you know, today israel is inadequate. reacts to the terrible events that occurred on october 7, and if we are talking about military operations today, well, in my opinion, the adequacy of the confrontation israel today, but not... completely comparable and it is not clear what the purpose of this military operation is, of course, the americans are provoking, as usual, they are provoking, they are the world provocateur in this case and they support this uh these actions, which in fact , demonstrates very important information, look, i

agree that we have a lot of questions, but you and i have answers, we have facts, there are civilian casualties, it doesn’t matter, there are already almost 12,000, right? they exist, everyone recognizes them, and if we say that they exist, we then let's figure it out, i think everyone will be given earrings, but today these victims exist , moreover, you and i can predict the colossal humanitarian consequences of all this, this is the movement of masses of people to the south, which also entails in the absence, because israel he doesn’t even talk about this, well, okay, here he is fighting, heroically fighting for his name, destroying, okay , side commands, military and civilian, but what about thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people, he offered neither help nor program, not even a vision of what will happen to these masses of people, he only proposes to open the borders and take these people there to egypt or somewhere else, that is, in my opinion, today this is such an unambiguous or even

one-sided position of israel, it is largely, of course, provoked by the americans, and i i think that here we should not fall into error, the policy aimed at this region, of course, does not take into account the future name of israel, its authority, its image in the world, of course, it is lost and i think it is lost, but they have your plans for this region, they are again trying to solve their own problems with someone else’s hands regarding the presence of their military in this region, in order to discredit again and use this discredit for their own purposes, so i believe that here there will be even more questions asked than we will receive answers, including from israel. thank you, alexander dugin, philosopher and helitic maestro. i am very interested in your opinion about how dangerous the current situation is at this stage for israel and for its patrons, the united states. you know,

a meeting between the arab league and the organization has just taken place. condemning israel, there are many different points, there is not one, what consequences could there be for israel if israel refuses to take this resolution into account, and before you express your opinion, i want you to listen to how this resolution is assessed in china, let's listen. li weizen, vice president of the chinese association for middle east studies , said on sunday that while the riyadh summit may increase political pressure on telyaviv. the demands that will be voiced at it are rather symbolic and do not imply real restrictions on israel ; according to lee, it is unlikely that it will be possible to achieve a ceasefire and sign peace in the near future

, at least as long as both sides act unilaterally , then this will certainly have a much greater impact on future relations between arab countries and israel. well, as you can see, in china they say that this is potentially a very serious problem for the united states, well natural for israel, but so far, the indignation in the arab world has not reached such a level that it would have real consequences , immediate real consequences for tel aviv and washington, your opinion, i think that they definitely will absolutely, that is, the islamic world more or less consolidated in absolute rejection of what israel is doing now, this is a colossal drop in the prestige of influence and leadership abilities of the last remaining united states of america in

the eyes of the islamic world, everything, and this is already irreversible, another question, now, in my opinion, another problem has not yet been resolved, even more acute, this is the war in the north of israel, because according to some reports, hezbollah and the israeli military have already begun quite intense military operations, that is, in general there will be a war of the islamic world and israel, this has not yet been removed from the agenda, but we see that islamic countries are in no hurry to start this war, but this does not mean that they completely exclude such a possibility, and the more cruelly this situation continues... more in related problems in 2 million, there are not just hundreds, tens of thousands, 2 million, this is nagba-2, this is what it is, if we say nagba, the resettlement of palestinians. and for palestinians it’s the same thing as shoo for jews, then, by the way, when we talk about anti-semitism, it’s simply amazing, because

palestinians are semites, arabs are semites, they’re the same, they’re the same people, that is its roots are common, there are western semites, there are southern semites, but just as we cannot talk about anti-semitism, we must speak more precisely, then there may be anti-judaism or opposition there, judeophobia, that’s for sure, but there are anti-semites here on both sides of the conflict, so he says that an anti-semite... this is simply an absurd thing, so the situation here is very serious, and i think that, of course, yakov kedme described the situation to us, how the israelis are leading it the right, by the way, this is not all of israel either, far from it, because there is enormous resistance within israel on the left, which does not accept this policy of netanyahu at all, but that’s okay, we listened to his position, it is really building. but the islamic world did not at all raise its hands and recognized the status quo, as mr. kedmi wanted to tell us, the islamic world is now

being reorganized, there are two scenarios: either it enters into a war with israel, with all the ensuing consequences and escalation continues, or it will limit itself to other forms of pressure, someone will break off relations, someone will supply, supply gas, but the consequences for israel will be huge... in any case, only the biggest, whether there will be a war between the islamic world and israel, now , in the first moments when this ground operation began, many predicted that it is about to begin, this degree of tension in my opinion has subsided , but nevertheless, this even the most severe version of the development of events has not been removed from the agenda, because as soon as there are a couple of provocations in one direction or another, everything can boil over, and the last , i think completely irreversible... the decline in the prestige of the west in the eyes of islam, that is, in this case, the collective west, which is absolutely, not to mention helpless, it

behaves as if it supports only israel, spits on the interests of the arabs, defends only one side, just like in ukrainian conflict, and thereby loses the right to be a judge, to be, say, someone who offers a balanced solution, that is, the west is considered in the eyes of the islamic world: simply a kind of patron of israel, and all responsibility, by and large, is addressed there, so i i think that the consequences are colossal, the calming picture that mr. kedmi described to us, well, of course, this is the view of israeli rights, conservatives, who, strictly speaking, probably should, being extreme patriots and with one such ethnocentric points of view, he says absolutely everything brilliantly, but there are still many, views in the world and the left, which do not fall here at all, because now the world left has taken up arms against america and israel, this is a very

serious force, not only in these demonstrations, everything- i still want to say that palestinians or arabs, a huge number of europeans are taking part, in sweden there were, as you saw, crowds in sweden, tens of thousands of swedes singing faralestine songs in swedish, these were not palestinians at all, that is, they are actually coming about... very serious, the world is polarizing, in the future, here , in my opinion, we can absolutely say that the islamic pole within the framework of a multipolar model of the world will be more and more rigidly drawn, even if the regimes of certain arab countries prefer close your eyes, deal with the west and israel as if nothing had happened, under the pressure of the internal public, which is now only increasing, they simply will not be able to do this, then maybe we can even expect... new unrest and revolutions in the islamic world, and what happened is irreversible, you say absolutely correctly, but how it will end, it

cannot end in anything good at all, but as a result it can end bad and completely terrible, because there is no scenario at all that would satisfy israel, the west and the islamic world are simply not visible, it does not exist at all, but when there is no good scenario, then either a bad one or a monstrous one will be implemented accordingly. therefore, it seems to me that the situation remains extremely tense, there is no turning point in this in this situation no, from the point of view of satisfying revenge, uh, this has already been done from the israelis, who take revenge according to the old testament standard, lexans, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye, they completed this program together, but they continue set the goal of destroying hamas, and this means practically destruction, well, how can you destroy it? hamas in this situation means destroying the entire ghaz population, relocating them, expelling them from somewhere, and egypt is in no

hurry to accept them, that is, completely complete dead end. in fact, that is, maybe, from a military point of view, yes, they israel solves its problems, morally and psychologically solves its problems, but the number of problems grows like a snowball. well, to be honest, i’m not even sure that israel is solving its military problems, i think that in the very short term the israeli operation is, as they say, expected to succeed, but time will tell, but as for yakov kedmi, he of course expressed your perspective. he certainly expressed the perspective of, well, not just a conservative israel, israeli mainstream, but this is not the only perspective in israel and i am very grateful to them for this, because if ugunas a guest from israel appeared, he told how the entire population there repents, cries, and the kakrail is ready, as they say, to lower the banner from dasami to

popular pressure , this would probably be pleasant for many to hear, including this, but it would only be untrue and for us it is important to hear how it really is, do we like it or not? we're leaving for advertising, we'll be back in just a few minutes. andrey parubiy, the ideological inspirer of a whole network of fascist organizations banned in russia. in my family, my grandfather fought in the ukrainian golitic army, my father’s brothers fought in the upa. he admonished the militants to shell the houses of civilians and launched a punitive operation in the donbass. he and pashinsky were behind a huge number of people tortured in basements, a nazi and a criminal. i studied as an exchange student in the usa, and there i received the necessary training. this is negative selection. it cannot be used in peacetime because that he is unhealthy, he is inadequate. mccain understood this. and what is his role in the bloody

events on the maidan. he had 12,000 militants under his command. andrei parubiy and his dark deeds to destroy ukraine were carried out publicly, they want to destroy orthodoxy, porubiy, the executioner of the heir to tutti, tomorrow on the first. mankatcher whiskey is a product of the stellar group. premiere, i love my country, on saturday, on the first. there's a big game on the air. irina, you said that the situation in the gaza region, this whole crisis, is

still a situation with many unknowns, but the most important unknown. moment, will there be an escalation, will they join military action, lebanon, hezbollah is already acting there against israel, but in general very limited, and of course, the more important question is iran, do you see the prospect that the neighboring state israel, geographically close to israel, first of all iran, that they will escalate, wars will enter directly into conflict? i think that in fact there is no such danger now, no, because iran, although it speaks very harshly to israel, naturally condemns this operation, we could hear reisi’s speech during the summit, but despite everything

, iran is a very pragmatic state and i don’t think that it is in iran’s interests to somehow seek to expand military operations and, so to speak, to get involved in this , what is happening, as for lebanon, but you understand, in lebanon the situation is completely different , there is, in general, a very serious ongoing crisis, in the end, hezbollah itself makes the decision there whether to fight or not to fight, and how exactly to fight, that is, independent countries accepts, iran, is a very important ally of hezbola, no one hides this, but nevertheless, if we talk about lebanon as such, if we talk about the lebanese government, then it does not play a big role in making these decisions. thus, in my opinion, we can say that

proxies, allies of large states who act on... will this make it easier? this is what they say, time will tell, but even in the absence of large-scale actions, thank god, which include... also neighboring states, we see only one thing: at their summit, despite the bitterness that all arab states are experiencing, they still found a balanced approach to what was happening, look at their resolution, nowhere does it say that everything needs to be broken off, we must forget about everything, so to speak, we are, so to speak, in a state of war. with israel there is nothing like this, it talks about other things, and it talks about the day that will come tomorrow, and what will be regulated,

this is a well-known concept, a well-known principle two states for two peoples, the beginning of an international conference, negotiations - this is what the resolution of muslim and arab states ultimately protects, alexander bakov, i proceed from the fact that from your point of view, from the point of view of the deputy chairman of the state duma, of course, what is happening between israel and the palestinians, israel and the arabs, is very important, russia knew. about hamas plans, i don’t see any confirmation of this, and moreover, russian contacts with the political part hamas, which we are now hearing, was also

not informed by the hamas military command about what they were going to do on october 7, well, what happened happened, what, from your point of view, should be russia’s line in this conflict? well, russia’s line was determined by the president’s statement. immediately, almost in the very first days, when it was said that the solution to the issue could lie in only one, these are two states, moreover, even the boundaries of possible states were indicated, therefore, the entire world community was sent in historical memory to the moment when, in fact , the foundations of this conflict arose, i think that today russia’s position is precisely that we must consolidate the world community, that firstly, to stop as quickly as possible , what is happening from the point of view of the military, well, influence or intervention or the impact of israel on the civilian population of palestine, even in the fight against

hamas, second, already now work out with the international community the mechanisms and main tools for the emergence or creation of these states, because in my opinion, the issue of russia is very important, by the way, russia’s position... is very consistent, it is understandable, clearly formulated and thus differs from all these sometimes completely unclear judgments of the same americans, because in fact, what you say, of course , extends this influence and the consequences of this influence to america. it cannot happen, it cannot happen, we cannot talk about the future of israel without understanding how the world will treat not only israel, but america, which actually supported what is happening today there, and this is... a much more important question, because today the world is changing, the multipolarity of the world is not just words, today this fragmentation of the world has led to the fact that completely different centers of influence are increasingly being formed, and today

this kind of conflict has a significant influence, including on the formation of these centers, it is very important for us to prevent escalation, but we must not allow what is happening today, it is necessary, if we are talking about the fact that the arab countries are not ready for military action today. action, this is probably good, not even probable, but this is good, because military escalation is a disaster and not only for the region, but then we must help ensure that their consolidation is that there are other ways to influence israel on america, to stop this bloodshed and i believe that humanity has these resources today, you just need to want and implement it. alexander dugin, we talked, you talked about how the crisis... around gas, how it can cause great damage to israel and how it can cause great

damage to the united states, what about russia ? american ambassador. and this was the end of the soviet union, when in many areas there were riots, ethnic unrest and so on and so forth. asked, because for the united states there is a lot involved in this situation, and of course, the cia always has opportunities, these possibilities are always considered and worked out if necessary , and there are riots of this magnitude, but it would be strange if the cia did not sit and think about how this could be used in american interests, well, then it was a completely different

stage. then there were still soviet-american relations, and i still don’t see evidence that the cia was seriously involved on a large scale, but now the situation is different, now the situation is open russian-american confrontation, now the situation is when in washington they are talking about how to inflict a strategic defeat on russia, in light of... the failures of the ukrainian armed forces, then he begins to think about the use of other methods, including destabilization, and what happened in makhachkala began with messages from telegram channels that were directly connected with e people who left russia, went over to the side of ukraine, are now also actively coordinating their... actions with the united

states, one of these people is the former state duma deputy, ilya ponomarev, the name is well known to you, because he had in his own words, a direct connection to the tragedy that happened to your family, he boasted about it, and he said that he had something to do with the attack on the tatar, by the way, with the attack on the kremlin, so i’m reading now an interview with this gentleman where he says in plain text that yes, he is now in the united states, he has a very busy schedule, in his own words, of meetings with american officials, but again, i don’t know how much panomariov can and should be trusted, but if really after vanomare boasted that he had a direct role in terrorist attacks. if after this

the united states allows him to live with him forever and american officials meet with him, how would you characterize the role of the united states in this very difficult situation? well, i am absolutely convinced that in recent years, simply and decades, america has probably even taken a completely tough position on preventing the emergence of the very multipolarity that we are talking about, the americans for this purpose, for any purpose, the one whom they call terrorists, even if a person is absolutely innocent, they consider someone who is not someone they don’t call a terrorist, and even his hands are covered in blood, they accept at any level, this is absolutely, not like double standards, this is how a hegemon behaves, who does not take into account the presence of any serious subjects outside of him, that is, he simply says, i told you, but you have, you don’t believe it, it means you don’t belong to

civilized humanity, this purely russian approach, absolutely tough, which in america some time ago, in my opinion, it has simply become the norm, so the fact that this state openly uses terrorist methods to fight its opponents, in general, in my opinion , there is nothing surprising in this, and to use the same terrorist methods for this our proxies there, of course, we need to ask where such a person is interested, how fanovalev ended up in the state duma, who brought him there, what did he actually do here... in the kremlin, this is a very interesting question, but i want, regarding how this will affect america, i cannot imagine a situation in which america, as a center that seeks to maintain its hegemony, uses what is happening in the middle east to its advantage, whether it is involved or not involved, but this is an absolute, absolute undermining of the american one

in the region. the islamic world, which is now becoming again the most important factor, as in the early 2000s, is a map that, in fact, today, based on american policy, is on the opposite side. and therefore, but the islamic world is a huge factor, it is 2 million very active people, almost 2 billion, i beg your pardon, 2 billion, very active people, mobilized by their faith, their psychologists, having their own... scattered in all societies, and this force is very serious, this force is now turning against the west, but now further, the cia, in my opinion, is starting to work, with the help of network strategies, this is even the network warfare theory that simply says about this: if you have a problem, make this problem with problem of your enemies, then there is now they are opposing the islamic world to themselves, the islamic factor in russian society is also very, very strong, and so they take it from a sore head onto a healthy

one and throw it, creating artificially provocative models in order to use their own miscalculations and failures and attribute them to them. .. for our balance, this is not working, our reaction against the wave of anti-semitism is very tough, very consistent, by the way, in this situation we support the islamic world as a whole, but of course, any extremes, any excesses, any forms of religious or ethnic discord in russia, which is the guarantor of the balance of nations, are suppressed mercilessly, very correctly, thank you, we are leaving for advertising, we will be back in just a few. here is the most honest conversation, my guests are honored masters of sports evgenia tarasova and vladimir morozov. in the eighteenth year, i really wanted to perform, i was going as if on a holiday,

two irreparable, let’s say, mistakes happened, i immediately turned off the phone, stuffed everything like this, suits, skates, went into a backpack sunset, maybe for me it was... it was just a day of mourning and well, i didn’t know what to do next, and there was also , let’s say, a problem between you, personally, it was during the olympic season that it so happened that you broke up, in life was also of course, such a difficult turning point, but you were the initiator, and as always, women are to blame for everything, there is such a thing, we come to beijing, free program, life skate, second in 60 hundredths, i didn’t consider it a defeat, that’s all -successfully. come on, successful, successful, if you are so successful career, then the lab podcast, today on the first, just warmed up the scandal after the pranksters called the prime minister of italy george miloni, we were terrorized by the entire

italian press, here is a new exposure of european politicians, a man with dual citizenship, this did not stop him from heading the government i approved even more what secrets the former prime minister of latvia gave away. tough sanctions, is it worth further helping ukraine? and we are not happy about this, but we do not see a choice. why is the european union tired of kiev? this means spending money from what are latvians suffering from, anti-fake, premiere, tomorrow on the first. irina zvigelskaya, you have heard many different opinions at this table. opinion of yakov kedmi from israel, what would you like to say at the end of our discussion about what is happening and most importantly, what does it mean for russia? in this case, i would like to quote one very famous

analyst, daniel levy, who writes a lot about the arab-israeli conflict, about the situation in the middle east, and who... the next thing is that israel thinks hamas some kind of existential threat. he says: i don't think hamas is that kind of threat to israel. but i am absolutely sure that radicalism, extremism is a real threat to israel. and unfortunately, if we look at this coalition, the last one that was created by netanyahu, then , you know, this is really a terrible threat for israel itself, they immediately split society around a reform that, frankly, was beneficial only to them, they behaved in a completely provocative manner towards the palestinians,

who, so to speak, live in eastern jerusalem, all this that happened around aliaksa, they supported and incited the settlement movement against the palestinians, this is a terrible force in israel, by the way, too, these are wild radicals, if i have one minute , i can say what i was shocked by, not that they oppose, there is one , unfortunately, but not that, well, well, not that they oppose the palestinians, but in israel, which in principle was created by socialists , one of these armed settlers parked the municipal bus, because there was a woman driving, you can even imagine it, this is darkness. and i also think that this is the main threat to israel, you know, probably, of course, terrorism is a terrible thing and we need to fight it, but in any case. it is also

impossible to allow such a situation when you lose so many people on your own territory. thank you, alexander, well, i think that the question is now fundamental, russia has a unique opportunity to strengthen its position in the global world if we act balanced, if we take into account the interests of the peaceful world first. and if we offer a way out, of course, any of ours, our proposal, any way out will be blocked by the west, but this doesn’t matter anymore, because we are building a new world, this is not such a simple process, and i think that’s the most important thing in my opinion , for russia to remain true to its values, its idea of ​​peace, balance, respect for all peoples, and of course, categorical condemnation of any terrorist actions, no matter who they come from, either from islamic radicals or from israeli radicals or from some others, this is something

that we adhere to consistently, we even conduct our special military operation in such a way as to minimize the possibility of such excesses, and do not respond with terror to terror, violence to violence and the destruction of civilians , cluster, the use of cluster bombs by the same symmetrical means, russia still insists that there is ethics, and this ethics in international relations and domestic politics must be adhered to, thank you, alexander mikhailovich, well, i think that in summary, it means that we are against terrorism , we condemn it, but people who understand what terrorism is, who condemn it, and themselves imitate it in their actions, sink much lower than any terrorist, because they do this as conscious people, we are not we when we hear the israeli military, we say that these are people, specialists, but aren’t there other... ways to fight terrorism other than destroying terrorists along with the civilian population? this is a rhetorical question

we are categorically against this. against the backdrop of all this, historical facts are striking: during the great patriotic war, jews who suffered themselves, their relatives suffered, behaved not just humanely towards the germans, towards the nazis, but demonstrated simply humanity, and we see what is happening today in on the fields of a special military operation, so that a russian soldier behaves in the same way as , unfortunately, the soldiers of the israeli army behave, so i believe that this example that we are seeing today in israel is needed by the world community, well, the impact on this example should proceed from the fact that there are other ways of solving, i repeat, other ways of solving, there are examples, both humanitarian and economic, technological, whatever, political, diplomatic. but why is the only way to destroy hamas where there are civilians? i

think this is unacceptable. at the end of the great patriotic war, many millions, hundreds of millions of soviet people had more than legitimate claims against germany and the germans and to the germans. and when there was the assault on berlin, when they crossed the oder river. you know, uh, that this was the last operation - the great patriotic war, but more than 100,000 people died, nevertheless, when, uh, some soviet soldiers, influenced by everything that they saw, their families experienced during the war, became behave inappropriately, and there were such cases, firstly, there was a categorical instruction...

konstantinsky, who gave the order not only to stop, but to shoot for such things. imagine shooting soviet soldiers for violating the code of honor, for breaking the law at the end of the war. it's hard to believe, but it's fully documented. i personally, i personally am proud of this, i think that this is a large part of the feat of the soviet people, that despite the terrible suffering and evil that was inflicted on this people, they managed to remain within certain very important limits, and also, this crisis, it reminds us that world politics does not come down to relations between... russia and the west, that when you

look at this summit, which collapsed in riad, for a vote in the united nations. you see that what is now called the south is, of course, not just a geographical concept, but a political one, that they are increasingly beginning to perceive themselves as factors in world politics, a serious factor, and this factor will also largely determine and the fate of russia in international relations , it seems to me that we still don’t know enough about this, we don’t understand it enough, because for obvious reasons, but still, for many years in international science, in the soviet union, then in russia, the focus was precisely on the west, it seems to me that this is important to change, i was reminded of this many years ago by a man whom you know well, irina, georgy mirsky, he wrote in his book

about how when he came to the united states, he thought that he would be especially in demand as a specialist in the east, suddenly he realized that he knew much less, for objective reasons, it was very difficult for him to travel outside the soviet union in the soviet union, but he knew much less than many with their american colleagues, and he very soon gained a reputation as a major specialist on the soviet union, but not on the east, but it seems to me that his example and his honesty in recognizing ... problems is something that we should keep in mind, but to me it seems that it is very important for us to start looking at the east, at the arab world, at the techean theater, at countries like india, china, we looked at them mainly from the point of view of who they will support in world politics, they are gathering more and more ,

to support anyone, but to be, if you want full-fledged. and a more than full-fledged participant in international relations, it is very important for us to understand this, it is very important for us to study this, it is important for us to educate young specialists who can respond to this very important and interesting challenge. it was a great game, we'll see you on the air tomorrow. hello everyone, this is a free program podcast, i’m maxim tronkov and today i’m having the most honest conversation, honest, because you simply can’t lie to a coach, my guest is

the honored master of sports, evgenia tarasova and vladimir morozov, hello guys, hello, hello, that you finally got to me , i had been planning this conversation for a long time, you know this, but you were busy, i entered the international olympic university, to study sports management, i started in september studies, and who are you going to manage when everything, well, ideally the school where fedya works, oh, not bad, that is, you want to dominate your husband, be his boss, well, i think we’ll agree, well, vladimir, than for ...at the university after the academy, that is, after all those times i told you, you fool, finish the university, you still decided , well, yes, i listened, in fact, vova already has two higher educations, the university that i told him to graduate from was moscow state university, also for management, and

vova abandoned him, while he was preparing for the olympic games, this will be his third education, so he’s a smart guy. you have become with us what many, many critics in figure skating saw you , not critics, but one person - this is my father, that is, as a child he had a dream to become an izmekhkeist, but somehow it turned out that he didn’t went to the other side a little in childhood, but that was, but i really, why am i talking about critics, because i also always said that it’s damn, why don’t you play hockey, and many people actually said that vovka - this is a hockey player, this is a hockey player who skates... because you are a big, strong kasparaitis, so straight red-haired, no, well, in general, i was sent to sports late at the age of 6, already in a hockey school, a hockey group was not accepted at that age, people who don’t know how to skate or skate at all, that is, it was cska, in 6

years old, we took me to the skating rink, and well, the coach said that no one would bother with you, you need to learn how to skate, so they took me to the nearest section, probably, yes, there was a health group, that’s how it was, in truth, three times a for a week there was figure skating for 45 minutes at 6:30 in the morning, yes. school, since then vova really likes to get up early, yes, in principle, to get up at all, and i started studying, i liked it, and somehow it happened that i said that i want to stay, for the first years there were no elements there, i didn’t mind i didn’t teach, it was fun there, we played, threw ice floes, threw cubes, did all sorts of crap on the ice, well, we just had a fun time, probably that was the lure, that it was all fun. well, yes, everything turned out so rosy, how did zhenya send you to hockey too?

no, they didn’t try to send me to hockey, my mother took us to the skating rink with my sister for 4 years, we had a rocket stadium next to our house, also so that we wouldn’t sit at home, so that we would do something, so they sent me to figure skating how mom tells you what we dressed for you skates together and lera, first of all, was afraid and didn’t want to, she couldn’t do it. and you say you immediately ran, you didn’t go, but they put you on the ice, you say you ran on skates. few people know, but you also took part in the junior grand prix in singles in singles, yes, from kazan it was very cool for me, and do you remember the moment when you first met each other, saw each other, did not pair up , this is the first such meeting, some kind of communication, yes, of course, it was at our skating rink, on inspiration, you know, and zhenya came from kazan, or rather egor brought her to himself, egor chudin is the first pair skating partner of evgenia tarasova, now

she works as a coach at that very skating rink, yeah, 14 moved to moscow, respectively, in this group, how wait, this moment, you, that is, a successful single skater who is already performing in the national team, and you are going to pairs in a new event, but because i really wanted to, i watched pair skating, i really liked it, i... the coach told me what i wanted in pairs, they are like: come on, you’ll be there for another year you wait, you wait a year, they didn’t want to let you in, they didn’t want to, no, then we already said, let’s find you a good coach, find a partner, then we ’ll let you go with peace of mind, here you come to moscow with your eyes wide open, you go in to the skating rink, and there vova and you think, ugh, i took the wrong one, i chose the wrong one, we skated together with egor for the second season, prepared for the competition, the first time... when we got to qualify for the russian cup finals, came to the cup, took third place there, but along the way

this season, that is, yegor already had this, either a show, or continue skating, because he is 7 years older than me, he already has, as it were, well, of course, back and forth, let's go to the show, let's go to the show, i say , i don’t want to be on the show, that ’s 100% certain, yes, at some point stas morozov came up to me. asked: will you, right in the forehead, came up like that, asked: will you ride with the redhead? i stand at him like that, i look , i will, i have a very rich experience, as an athlete, i have tried many coaches, and you have almost even richer this experience, because you rode in different countries, with different specialists, absorbed completely different, sometimes contradictory information, tell us a little about this path, about those specialists, maybe someone who is especially special to you... because from robin silk to eteri tutberidze for me is generally like that, if i skated with pairs coaches in russia, this is understandable, but robin shelkovy and eteri tutberidze are actually two

different planets for me. listen, this thought came to mind that throughout our entire career, we are like such an experimental couple , that is, i wasn’t skating on mikhailovno even before your arrival, and then my wife and i, when we had been skating for 2 years, we continue to experiment. continued, then we had robin sholkovy join the team, also for a couple of years, well, i’ll explain that robin sholkovy