he then did not try to carry out this within the country , if we have a solid patriotic -oriented society, then no attempts to blow up the country, to seduce an entire generation will simply fail, because we will be confident in ourselves, and we will win. you know, with the failure of the ukrainian offensive with the possibility that ukraine would lose american assistance, or that this assistance would be significant. will be reduced, i cannot exclude that the ukrainian resistance will collapse, just as the american resistance collapsed in afghanistan a couple of years ago, i cannot exclude this, with on the other hand, i’m somehow accustomed as a historian to thinking that what can happen is not something that will definitely happen, this is true, so it’s like my instinct, hope

that the enemy collapses like a house of cards, but don’t make a mistake yourself , so for me to find specific methods that would show the collective west that their unilateral escalation is counterproductive from the point of view of the west itself, it seems to me that this would make sense if possible. try, i understand that like everything in politics, everything has its price, everything carries its own risks, but here it seems to me that you and i have a certain discrepancy, but you will not have a discrepancy with what i will now quote, because you wrote it, let’s listen, russia is not quite what it was, and especially not at all, what is, russia is what will be, this is a very important statement.

and it’s hard to disagree with him, but you know what will happen, and what you consider necessary to do so that what will happen becomes the way you want, this is a huge philosophical conversation, in general, russian, from my point of view, russian - this people who live in the future, they live in anticipation of a miracle, they live in a dream, they do not live by collecting their memories, so even to our past we... sometimes , which does not justify us, of course, but we treat it carelessly, we are completely turned to the future , that is why we became interested in communism, that is why we are waiting for the kingdom of god on earth, we are a very eschatologically oriented people towards the future age, and i believe that this is our meaning, this is our strength, we are not very proud of the fact that we are ourselves now we imagine, but we know that we will become better, we are not very happy about our current

situation, but we know that we will become stronger, this is the victory we are talking about, this, in my opinion, is the future, which will become a turning point in our history, when we actually stop retreating, we begin to advance, the most important thing is on the spiritual front, within ourselves, not only on the external geopolitical map, but in society itself, hegel said that the people are the spirit, firstly turn, the russian spirit is drawn to this victory. addressed to to this future, thank you, as i said, i agree with you in many respects, not always and not in everything, but i must admit that your very erudite, very, if you like , refined geopolitical optimism, which is unique to you, even among the largest difficulties, this optimism, it

’s contagious, thank you, thank you, it was a great game, we’ll see you next week. old joke. says that science is a way to satisfy one’s curiosity at the expense of the state. hello, today we have gathered with thoughts about science and how how to get young people involved in science. nikita erievich anisimov, rector of the higher school of economics, yegor borisovich prokharchuk, dean of the medical and biological faculty of the russian national research medical university, i said this. hello, i'm vladimir.

we are starting, dear friends, i want to ask you, as a warm-up story , to think a little about this very joke, how applicable is the well-known fact that in every joke there is a grain of truth or a grain of joke, i already i don't know which way to go now to say, and so and so it is possible, that science is a way to satisfy one’s curiosity at the expense of the state, well, a wonderful joke, i think that this is partly true, i think that in general any person should be interested, searching, and from the janitor to the well let’s say it’s up to scientists, another thing is that not everyone will follow this path, it’s a very difficult path, everyone doesn’t need to be a scientist, it’s... such a special way of life, on the one hand, on the other hand, fundamental science and applied science are also slightly different things, you are one thing you open the curtain of the unknown, and above such a black abyss, you shine a beam on a projector, what is in this abyss, and another thing

is that you combine what is known, well , you create some technologies, also two different, as it were, approaches to this, but of course it's interesting. one cannot but agree that the joke is probably old; it appeared around the same time when states began to appear, because well, it seems to me that one of the missions of the state is to generally satisfy its citizens, therefore, on the one hand on the one hand, these are jokes, on the other hand, this is reality, because the state is in a relationship. uses them and the effectiveness of fundamental science, because no one has canceled about maxve either and its effectiveness of investments in fundamental science, well, in the applied part of the state, ordering an applied result, of course receives a very

specific result from this curiosity and interests of citizens, capitalizing them significantly. i really wanted to talk about how to attract, but again it is common knowledge to answer the question of how, you need to answer... the question of why, yes, but how does a young man who is thinking about what he should do in life, so he is interested, and then curious, and then, here’s what to tell him about the world of science, why, what is this world like, why should a person engage in science, so that he, well , gets carried away, and at the same time understands whether it is his or not, this is what an approach can be here, an error-free approach, what, as a standard approach, when you try to do this, that, fifth, tenth, in childhood, in youth, maybe, right? the sooner you understand who you want to become and what you can do, that the main thing brings you pleasure in life, the better, well, i know there, such a singer of our state, in general a statesman, alexandrevich prokhanov, he graduated from mine, in my opinion, and went to work in the box

, it would seem that this is a statist, he feels the state, he works in a box, and he left there, as i remember, because it simply turned out not to be his, he could not be in this routine, there to come at eight o’clock.. well, here's his search, he needed freedom, of course, in science, people need freedom, this is number one, of course, they don’t need a lot of money, and you need to understand that people definitely don’t go into science for the money, this is absolutely absolutely true, and then you have to understand whether it gives you interest, this is knowledge, and your soul resonates with the fact that you are doing something first, something new, that you are different from others, this is a very painful process, you don’t sleep at night, you think about it, well, basically around the clock , you can’t eat sometimes, you become for the family,

if you are in love with science, yes, then it’s hard, well, yes, for relatives , for friends, it’s a test, you kind of live in it all, on the one hand, you can, you know, on the other. you go there in some junk car or on the subway, but at the same time, in retaliation for this, you do something that all 7 billion inhabitants of the earth have, that is , some result, you study something that everyone has 7 billion, you find something that all 7 billion didn’t know yet, you’ve already known for 15 minutes, but they don’t and maybe won’t find out in the near future, it’s a special kind of people, well, that’s how yakitay would be, here’s a question for you in this case as a rector, yes, that’s what yegor borivich just said, that’s it... relatively speaking, philosophy, science, the life of a scientist there, and so on further, here’s how to weave this, so to speak, into the educational process, into the fabric, how to convey this to students, this is only informal communication, well , that is, let’s say, to those students who think, go to graduate school, don’t go, start, take this path, when you don’t sleep at night, don’t start, that’s how it is

is combined with the tasks of the erectorate there, for example, there is such a very good principle , namely, if you ask me as a rector , people should not be disturbed, this is our task, as managers in universities, in academic institutes, during the formation of a young scientist, not to turn him away. realizing that it was possible that it was during this period that he started a family, he had a child, he needed additional funds, he received some invitations to business, your humble servant also received an invitation to business when starting work in a modest management system, one of the best universities in the nineties, and chose , therefore, between business and mathematics, between business and modest management in the administration of this university, well, the choice was made and today we are meeting, please tell me, that’s all, that’s how

let’s weigh this, you both said that of course, let’s say, if a person decides to do science, then it’s not about making money, but at the same time, well, naturally, he lives, he needs to eat something, there's family and etc., it seems to me that the cultural environment as a whole, today, very little stimulates this interest, because it says, well, you must be successful, you must succeed, and this is in many ways, this fashionable financial kpi, yes, but the scientist really, this is his point of attraction, it is in a different sphere, but in culture, there is support for this position, well, even here, i don’t want to idealize soviet times, but in soviet times it was much more powerful, it was easier for a person to choose this path than now, because now it’s really not it’s just an offer from business, but the consciousness, you know, the offer can be rejected, so to speak, according to the gospel principle, where your treasure is, there is your heart, so from childhood they tell you at school that well, you should , so to speak, to earn good money, then this choice

is very difficult to make, no, it seems to me that now we have returned to that value paradigm, when a scientist is a worthy, prestigious, paid profession, where you don’t just satisfy curiosity at the expense of the state, but satisfy curiosity very good instruments, with good reagents, in communication with leading world teams, and the amount of incentives is much greater even than in soviet times, so it seems to me that we have finally overcome this period when the profession of a scientist and the profession of a teacher, i am like the grandson of teachers school ones, i say, yes, they were half forgotten, i remember how they bowed to my grandfather, the school teacher, in the village when we walked out of the village, having picked mushrooms, and this was not determined by how much he was, this is, of course, a cultural code, it was a cultural code and his relationships with people

and now we see the attitude of our students at the university, our scientists at the university, and how the guys in international-class laboratories communicate, are interested, how they get involved, no, it seems to me that we have passed this period of formation of values ​​and the significance of the profession of a scientific researcher, egor bavich , you found a time when there were no reagents, when there was no equipment, yes, but what? in such a situation, it encourages a person, well , firstly, they still don’t exist, by and large, what can i say, sin to conceal, well, at least in the science that i do, there are practically none of them, yes, that is, unfortunately, our country here does not produce reagents for the science that i do, and indeed for all of molecular biology , biotechnology is a big problem, with instruments, it’s also a big problem, and how it definitely needs to be solved. if we talk about the cultural code of vladimir romanovich, then of course, well, i would not

entirely agree, it certainly changed, it changed from, in general, from creation to consumption, as a scientist, he is of course a creator such, he is such an ascetic in the world, a monk in the world by and large, and this is not only in russia, in america, well, in general, white americans are not very willing to go into science, of course, in america this is not a super prestigious story , now we...we were talking with evgei ivanovich ragaev, a full professor in america, he can’t, even if he works everywhere, everyone pays him, in my opinion, 200,000 dollars, that sounds like a lot per year, yes, it sounds very proud, but , for example, education at mit, where one of his relatives was supposed to to enroll, it costs 80,000 a year, yes, plus insurance, plus housing, that is, come on , tugriks, they need to be counted relatively, so. not a year, but there, if you are some aspiring lawyer, you will be a million, therefore, and this is a full profession, to

become a full professor, you, you understand, still, you still have to live a long time, yes, there were times when there were no reagents at all, i remember that when i was a graduate student, it was ninety-two, ninety, well, my dad had a car, i drove, taxied and then on these i bought money for some enzymes, yes, then my parents gave me some money , it was... such a very difficult time, but since no one was there, everyone left, they told me, well, if you want to be the head of the laboratory, i graduate student, well, that’s it, there ’s nothing there, please, head of the laboratory, no problem, empty. half-empty institutes, which means, of course, this is not the same story now, progress, progress , of course, significant progress, well, this scientific atmosphere, the scientific richness of everything, it’s, well, like the number of groups interacting with each other, there are problems here, yes, there are problems here, on the one hand, but the world doesn’t really seem

to be thirsty for us, that’s also different, the next story, getting into magazines there is outstanding. is it good to publish in the best journals, is it possible to publish in them? this is the publishing race publish od publish or die , there are a lot of issues here that need to be definitely regulated, but i agree with my dear colleague that there is certainly progress, i don’t think it’s possible to say that everything is fine, but there is certainly progress, if you like to collect your thoughts with us, that’s all... in the episode of our podcast you can find it on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru, be sure to watch it. the nuclear threat, it has not gone away, kiev is ready for a nuclear catastrophe just to get back on the agenda, yes, they need to go back, the money is running out. allegedly forced passportization for employees of zaporozhye as. i ask the

same question all the time, why? but no sanctions are imposed on them regarding the issuance of passports. eat question, what are you on... gadari kidnap people, but only those under sixty, wait, well, this is semantic nonsense, well, a bunch of phrases , not a single name, not a single fact, anti-fake, premiere, tomorrow on the first, montechoca cognac, a product of the stellar group, and today we have gathered our thoughts on the topic of science and education. we continue, several times nikitai emphasized that there is a profession of a scientist, just so that i understand, yes, after all, the profession of a scientist, here i am as a teacher of cultural studies, i don’t want to call myself there a culturologist, yes, i actually don’t do science as such, well, i’ve been teaching for quite a long time, i understand that it appears late, but the profession of a scientist, and let’s say, newton, he

was not a scientist by profession, yes, he was a government official, he there he was involved in some kind of finance, but the profession of a scientist appears a few centuries later, you know, like with philosophers, we say, there is a professional philosopher, yes, but his difference from some of the same socrates is not yet there or there i know plato that for these people's lives are their occupations, yes, they were one thing, and then this one, so to speak, an academic philosopher came, said something, and then he went there, i don’t know, there to do his own thing, there’s this gap, science lost with the advent profession of a scientist, i’ll suddenly ask you what you said about this, which is absolutely... positive, i understand why, but there are some disadvantages in the emergence of this profession of a scientist, you know, it seems to me that any ordering, it narrows the scope, in this regard, in this regard, of course, before the advent of rome, the absence of roman law probably gave people more opportunities when we regulate this

or that profession in a certain way, today we are discussing the profession of a scientist, of course, this narrows the opportunity. and to be honest, very often the manager is the first to speak to the scientist, which is not very correct, begins to dictate to the scientist unnecessary rules for the very purchase of reagents, instruments, to complicate procedures that would seem to be more attractive in other places and may just reorient the very youth we are talking about today, because well, now, the race for talents and not only with salaries, but also with such implicit conditions, with the presence of certain limitations on opportunities, and a scientist needs freedom, we can attract or repel, so of course, in addition to institutional decisions , which i spoke very carefully about, investing funds and creating projects, yeah, it’s very important to pay attention to each

person and his needs, by the way, to the needs of his family, yeah, because not always a scientist, makes certain decisions about his future, only relying on his everyday experience, but on the everyday experience of his family , especially a young scientist, there are many such interesting turns that immediately open up, yes, but since i have already stated that we will talk about how to attract young people, look, let’s say, there are areas, well, sports, for example, where it’s clear, yes, you want to do figure skating, well, how old are you? 12, goodbye, there’s ballet, yes, why don’t you came 5 years ago, is there something similar for science or is it fundamentally different? history and a person can start doing science quite late. well, first of all, the profession of a scientist, a priest is a profession, if we are talking about christianity, then within christianity it is a calling, yes, if this is a famous profession or

calling, so to speak, a priest must hear this call, as they say, yes? well, the scientist also had to have a call, but he can do it, that is, relatively speaking, but he still has to prepare, but it’s not for nothing that i brought this up, well , that is, you know, romanovich, that’s internal driver, bad word. an internal motivator, yes, to study, read, uh, in this profession, well, it’s not like your boss will scold you, or they’ll pay you less money, by and large , it’s only the internal, internal motor that sits inside you, he is a voice, i don’t know, well, a calling, whatever you call it, he will move you, that’s why you won’t steal money from your grants, well , because you decide what? you need it , you want to pay yourself a salary or do business, that is, maybe you will donate

partly for less salary, more for reagent, since grants are such a difficult story, then you won’t work there from 10 to 5 pm, you can work around the clock, maybe on saturday, sunday, or then you can have everything, you you won’t come to work for a week, only you determine within yourself how to do it, that is, in general... and third, well, this is work like christian, christian, christian, yes, well, you plow, you get up at 6 in the morning, you plow, sow, and then drought, and your entire harvest, went nowhere, well, just like a scientist, he can work, work on a hypothesis and not find anything, just as he can’t not find what he is looking for, his hypothesis turns out to be, and this also happens, this happens very often. so this is not an easy story, this is really very important, interesting, i just apparently didn’t manage to say, i meant that a man comes, his eyes are burning, he i

want to hear a voice there, everything, and you tell him, old man, you are 30 years old, higher mathematics, here you go, well, let him wash the dishes, let's first see how he has a voice or not, how he washes the dishes, walks around , reads books, let's see how the dynamics are, one will come 30 years old, he will have an amazing... he is there, well, there are such cases, for example, when it's true, a scientist moves from one field to another, right? yes, this is understandable, ongey sergegevich kharuzhiy, who was a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, and he began to study philosophical, there religious and philosophical issues, achieved, so to speak, a lot of brains in general, if they are designed for some kind of analysis, systematization, on the other hand on the other hand, there are unconditional hysterases that from there a physicist, in general a toologist, can be trained in biology... on the other hand, this has already been done, it works much worse, it’s true, i have not seen any examples of a person coming there at the age of 50 and starting to do science

, and moreover, from this area of ​​chemistry, physics, biology, i’ll say now , approximately, well, 90% of all nobel laureate prizes were received by people, this was before 30, before 30, they could have received them later, time passed, but in general, it seemed to you that the sea was knee-deep, so this is an important point that it seems to you that , well, the world is for you, for now you are still the main person in this world, and the older we get, we understand that the world, in general, will live just fine without us, but bonuses can give, does this mean, now i’m listening to you, smart people, i understand that in an amicable way, of course, well, roughly speaking, by the end of the university, it is advisable to help as much as possible to that very student, yes, about whom you speak with such love today tell him, well, so that he can get his bearings, yes, that if this is his, then it is necessary that by this time, or even earlier, here are the first tests, as early as possible, because

it is inherent in a person, and if you slowly reveal what is embedded, he can be not only scientists, the vocation of a pilot is also a vocation, so the sooner we try, so here is the profile at school.... the directions and specialties that are in universities, it’s all about a person’s ability to gradually reveal himself and the very vocation about which we are talking today about the calling that is in him in any in any case, whether it is related to science or not, the worst thing is to disappoint, to disappoint a person who is already young, strong, actually accomplished, and then if he runs into a wall, no, well, you just see here, it was also said here, of course, that i don’t know the formula for happiness. yes, when you do what you love and it works out for you, but for me, for example, look, i had to in another area, yes, but i had to somehow try to delicately explain to people that

what... is poetry, their production to has nothing to do with poetry, the hardest thing, the most unloved thing, but as an editor i was always looking for forms of that, we ended up creating a joint poetry section in our magazine with another magazine, i say, listen, dear magazine, through the poetry department of this one magazine, come to us, you had some situations in your life when you had to explain to a person that old man, you are wonderful, it seems to you that you are being heard, but science is not your thing, here you are... first, is it clear, let's say, here you are, yes, with side, and what to do in this case, well, it’s better here the dean will probably say, the dean is closer who is a corresponding member of the russian academy of sciences, they are not what they were, they are right here every day, they literally exist, yes, that means, at the same time of course, i have a conflict with my employees, because i haven’t been working in the laboratory for a long time, but i organize them as a laboratory, they and i

say, amazing, here’s a person. he says nothing, he doesn’t know anything, nothing to him, i say , we need to give it a chance, let’s see, another week passes, i’m still there for a while money, reagents went into the trash, no, we need to give the person a chance, i say, and they say , well, it’s impossible, it takes time, something else, here i internally believe that it is necessary to bring the situation to a point where the person himself says, you know , enough is enough, yes i’m kind of enough, yes i understand everything, that’s why i’m trying this way. don’t say it directly, because, well, you never know, damn it, maybe it’s me , this and that person will be beinstein there, yes, and i’ll ruin his fate like this, but i hope that time and life itself will sort it out these in places, of course, if you go through a closed door a dozen times, well, at some point the person himself will understand, i try to be as gentle as possible, but such situations are all too common, well, in general, not only in science,

but it can be - it’s good when a person himself understands, but when it’s a wildly wild disease, well , the fact is that in our field, if you are, well, kind of ineffective, if you do work there that is uninteresting for the scientific community, then either you are a genius who is simply ahead of his time by, well, a decade, yes, that is, you you do work that is incomprehensible to others, it cannot be assessed, and each of us found ourselves in such a situation, one way or another , but in general, the work that you do can be assessed by your colleagues, the professional community, and if there is no interest in your work at all, then you simply won’t have money, because understand, you say, the profession of a scientist, well, that’s the way it works in our world, that you don’t have a fixed salary, you live, well, on a grant to the grant, i really love carpenters, i do carpentry myself, but as you know a little, but still, a carpenter can find a job, but

that’s not the point. yes, but here, if you don’t have a grant, then it’s like you have everything, you disband the laboratory, people leave, they look for their own people and you help yourself and should be, relatively speaking in the west, you go to give lectures, as a teacher university, no offense to the university teachers, but this is just a different genre, and every scientist, to say, can become a good teacher, of course , yes, but you have to do something somehow, there is no grant, everything is yours.. .3-5 years if you are good you have worked this time, you have results, you file a claim against us, your whole life is structured in such intervals, by and large it can be interrupted at any moment if you now all rush into science no, no, no, no, i want to say, that this is why it is a very difficult sport, well, a very difficult sport, and everyone there still knows each other in their field, that is, there will be no news there, if a person screws up an experiment, everyone will

know that it is his. all podcasts of the podcastlab project can be found on the first website channel 1tv.ru. nikita yuevich anisimov, egor borivich prokharchuk. i am vladimir legoyda, we have gathered our thoughts on the topic of science and education. let's continue. popularization of science, how important is it today, what trajectories should it follow? yes, we have a knowledge society there, yes, it has appeared, which means that it is trying to do just that, education, but also, of course , science, yes, we have wonderful, absolutely people, there is a mathematician savateev, tatyanavna, chernigovskaya, neurophysiologist, yes, these are their speeches, lectures they collect a huge number of views and so on, it’s more about science, or it’s more about, so to speak, the broad masses and about, so to speak, well, somehow maintaining the level or prestige of science as well, that’s what the value is here all of this and is it necessary,

how to develop it, right away? you know, firstly, of course, there are possionai who , being scientists, can popularize, on the other hand, there are. who know how to do popularization professionally and better, so that after all it is an interdisciplinary team, because then it seems to me that we will come to the result faster. and well, what’s there, i head the moscow knowledge society, i understand that the task of this knowledge society is now much more complex, the volume of information is such that it is necessary to separate the information that is worth showing from that which is not worth it, because it’s something... sometimes it is anti-scientific, this is a separate task, and of course, we are grateful to those who, being scientists , still find time, in addition to getting up in the morning and studying science until late at night,

and also talk about the profession, so much so that people also want to continue to engage in this profession, but this is still a person’s passion, i can’t say that this is now an existing profession, a popularizer of science, yeah , i don’t know such a profession, but it is needed, those who are needed are who popularizes science, well, the problem is that now society has come to the moment when it has to solve a lot of ethical issues related to new technologies, yeah, yes, i have this here, this concerns, well , biotnologies, this concerns artificial intelligence when you start talking to society, ask it, what do society think about human cloning, about gene editing, about the use of artificial intelligence , about using smartphone data for medical records, there are a lot, a lot of others, then society answers all these questions, and we we don’t understand anything, we don’t know anything about

it, we don’t understand how genome editing differs from its sequencing, these words are not familiar to us, yes, we don’t understand what artificial intelligence is, how it differs from quadratic equation, how personal data from a smartphone differs from a medical record, and when you join society, and this could be, well, those people who make laws, politicians, and there are probably journalists, well, in general, who, who this is a society that, in general, even such people conduct opinion polls, there you go denka, yes, the sun revolves around the earth, or whatever, and so it is further formed. opinion, you and i went through this story with vaccines, yes, yes, this is a difficult question, and i, as a member of the senate commission on bioethics, can

to say that i was engaged in the popularization of certain knowledge, not so that the rulers could make a decision, on the basis of, well, well, sort it out into pieces, say, this is the situation with these cells, with vaccines, please make a decision yourself, but these are the incoming ones, so that you understand how it works, what can it do? today it’s really science, and that it is completely science, so in this sense, the popularization of science is important not just as a pleasant pastime, you and i went and drank a cup of tea for us they talked about some kind of science, but in educational terms, making the most important decisions, you know, when issues of biometrics are being decided, for example, well, i completely agree that this is a very serious issue, but probably, of course, it will not be entirely true if these decisions are be accepted there or dictated by the scientists themselves, yes, that is, the formulation of the question is accepted, yes, on the one hand, on the other hand, or on any side, i roughly understand how much i have not been educated, yes, but if we talk about

some problems of bioethics related to genetics, if yegor borisovich wants to fool me, he will always fool me and that i will ultimately agree, this is not so, well , if there is such a task, yes, that is, you think that it is conditional. speaking, popularization can bring us to the point where society will be sufficiently , so to speak, educated to understand, i believe that the person who can explain what he, what bazonhix is, relatively speaking, he can bring it to the point where you you can make a binary decision, yes or no, the same in genetics, i can bring the problem to you, to the point where, based on your life experience, you have nothing to do with genetics. almost yes or no to a binary answer nikivich, do you agree , i you know, i’m listening, i have such an interesting thought, here’s how a hypothesis, so we are very careful in discussing physical or

biological, chemical science, because here we really need expensive instruments and reagents and so on, you just touched on the issue of social sciences, and this is a question that really needs scientific assessment, and we will immediately. here they started talking about it calmly, although this is also a very serious science, so maybe it’s the cost of the apparatus that is needed, that is , in fact, the value of social ones should not be underestimated, it seems to me that our conversation is an example of what is needed be able to listen to scientists who are involved in the humanities and social sciences; research, for example, in the field of history and high-quality historical science is much more important than our ideas about history formed on the basis of some personal experience, absolutely true, i categorically agree, and there are a lot of such examples, moreover, now there is a junction of sciences, humanities and natural sciences, this is a separate story, but of course, when you

start in the same history from a certain myth that exists in your family, you are certainly under the influence of this myth, and there are many such examples , there are stalinist myths, there are anti-stalinist myths , they are all myths, but the numbers speak, there are documents, they speak about something else, yes , here we are again have not gone so far from that time, there are still children and grandchildren alive there who are under the influence of all this, so these are all mythologists... we live in such a mythological space and of course this is the most important question , the question immediately arises, what did you say that scientists, they are loyal to the state because we support them, but nothing like that, they are disloyal, of course, and history, no , i didn’t say that, it means that the history of the soviet union has shown that they are, of course, disloyal, yes, and this is a question for social

sciences, how to educate in general... the mission of the university, it is only technocratic, the university is a place where we receive only knowledge about science, about the laws of thermodynamics or the laws of social development, or where we still form - well, something more , some of these, this is how ethics is formed at the university, because in my opinion this is the most important issue as a representative of the humanities, i of course, so to speak, enjoy listening to everything that my dear colleague. now it was said, but then you know, for some reason in my head now the phrase interrupted flight, because we need, we need to finish, and you see how the lively conversation went, maybe not even entirely on the topics that i expected, but i was very interested, i know, i want to ask you, this does not follow from the conversation that took place, but it’s still connected with my original plan, i’m just very interested , it’s clear that one of the forms of popularizing science is, well, let’s say, a story... by some scientist in uniform, be it in the form of a film, a book there and so on, here

imagine that you have to make a decision, or just yes, if there was an opportunity , or if you were asked, what kind of scientist in your opinion would be great to make a film about, yes, a good film that would help us, so to speak, including solving the problems we talked about today, that’s what your answer would be, ki? well, i graduated from lomanosov university, i would like to talk about lomanosov, about lomonosov? remember, there was a wonderful film by mikhail lomanosov, such... by the way, i say, every time i watch it i watched three, and even in my opinion, having graduated from graduate school, i wanted to get up, to go there means to walk somewhere , so to speak, i really didn’t understand where, because i was already in moscow, so to speak, we’re like him the scientist from there was not felt enough, just for the popularization of science, you said, so i would like to let lomanosov and scientists, thank you, yegor barievich, and i would make a film about myself, i would, well, that is, i would make a wonderful one out of it, and a movie , which means, since

i don’t know much about other scientists, i don’t know much, yes, that is, it would be difficult for me to show these gears that affect their destiny, their life, their decisions, but i have a lot of interesting stories, this is an honest answer, maybe based on the results of our conversation you will receive an appropriate offer, thank you very much , dear friends, nikita, egor prokharchuk, i am vladimirov and we were meeting today. thoughts on the topic of science and everything connected with this wonderful, fascinating and interesting world. hello, dear friends, this is the podcast life of the wonderful, i am with you, its host,

writer, visiting me today we found time for cinema, you are for people from the film world, well, a figure to come to us, today we will talk about such an absolute guru, everyone knows you, you are one of the key figures of modern cinema, from your decisions, from your a lot depends on words, for in this sense a little less, me, for example, when i just became interested in you, of course, i was struck by the story of your entry into cinema, yes, especially the story of your first film, and the day of the angel, because this film, filmed in 1980, it was actually cinematic samizdat, and to be honest, it never occurred to me that this was possible, i understood that people, well, there are a lot of samizdats in literature, people wrote on the table there or sent them somewhere, an artist could probably work too.

in such conditions, even a musical group can be imagined as some kind of underground , there were a number of them in the soviet union, but to make full-length films... but quite a lot of people were involved in this, this story struck me, and maybe this is your phenomenon , it lies in the fact that you came into existence independently like that back in those days, and then a new era came, so i would like to talk about this first, this is how you see your entry to the world of cinema , how exactly did this determine your current state? my entry into the world of cinema took place when i was... years old, and i watched at the bobyakin cinema in the city of tuli , where i lived then, three full-length chaplin films, a circus, city lights and new times, i realized that this is what what i want study, well, i started studying, at about the age of 14, i was involved in amateur cinema, so

for me it was amateur, then not amateur, but still everything is amateur, you have to love, of course, that’s why for me... the issue was somehow resolved easy and simple, in general, it’s some kind of luck, i realize it, even somehow i was just lucky that my choice happened so early and without any special thoughts, doubts and hesitations, but still agree that your path to cinema is different from this, well, more classical traditional one, when a person comes there at vgik, he enters, which is probably very difficult , yes, he graduates, becomes a director, but somehow all this turned out a little differently for you, so i understand that you walked hand in hand this path of a director and at the same time way, then probably there was no word producer yet, but the person who organizes all this, there was no word producer , but it was a function, well, somehow i

didn’t know this word either in the eighth grade, but i started a film on vysotsky's song, this... so i decided to try myself in this capacity to a song by vysotsky, john lancaster peck, about a spy, and such a parody song , so i decided to film it, and i had to, i somehow understood it, i didn’t wonder if i should just somehow, let’s say , direct, no , i immediately understood that this was an orc question, that this included money, because i had to buy the film. it cost 2 rubles 90 kopecks. a very significant amount, this is 2.2 minutes of screen time, it was necessary to negotiate, well, for example, there is a scene and somewhere in the wilds of a restaurant, citizen epifan was led astray from the path to mantalyka, not a soviet person, so it was necessary to somehow negotiate with him in a restaurant,

at that time schoolchildren, and even provincial ones, went to restaurants, somehow it was, in general, not an ordinary event at all, even... to go into a restaurant, well, i came, talked to the aunties, i understood that we needed to order something, probably so that we would be allowed to film, we ordered something a little, came in the morning, when it was 12, when no one was there, well, somehow i’m going into too much detail i’m telling you, but the point is that i had to arrange a win-win lottery among my classmates so that this is how 2.90 times to collect a can of film, all this would somehow be clear to me that the word cinematography includes all sorts of different body movements, in addition to some purely creative ones, but money - by the way, this is also a creative matter of its own, it

plays a function in cinema, now i’ll say something beautiful, like paints for a painter , it’s just that cinema is really expensive, and money in this... sense, it’s quite an expressive instrument, or something, yes, that is, if do you want the picture to be interesting, you have to somehow correctly, but at the same time economically, optimized, and organize it with money, well, including money, when the film was film and was still being developed in laboratories, i said that money is sodium sulfate, this is a substance that, in fact, is one of the substances that carried out this development process, yes, it is sodium sulfate, without it it’s the same as a camera, without a movie camera. maybe without sodium sulfate, there can’t be a movie, because we can’t develop the film, that’s money, money is

the most expressive means, well, you just need to, well, you also need to love them.