[000:00:00;00] my opinion is that this is exactly where we started today’s conversation, that when peace is offered to us, we tend to trust, we are so peaceful that when they tell us, let’s now make peace, that’s it, let’s all forget what happened there, let's now stay at the same positions, let's stop and move on to negotiations, this is where it seems to me that it is our love of peace, our love for friendship, for ending the conflict, for trusting our partners, this is our weakest point, because as you described, these people don't just lie. this is a different politics from the time of machiavli, the idea of ​​how a politician is evaluated in the western political system is generally divorced from any kind of morality, lying is from a political point of view, this is not a lie in morality, this is completely different, this is an effective use all the means that the ruler, the prince has to achieve his goals, so in my opinion, we are not, we are

in a different coordination system. we live, we believe that the president’s word of honor, his moral character, his consistency, all this matters, for us, yes for them, no , this is where it begins, i think, those people who , according to the american representatives of the american embassy, ​​in your case told everything, they did not lie, they were not hypocrites, this is, well , nothing personal, this these were not representatives of the embassy, ​​these were high-ranking experts, and who were telling the story? together with you, representatives of the american embassy, ​​who replaced the ambassador, as you described, they described the situation, they did not lie at all, they never visited putin and sang defamations to him and fawned over him, when they harshly described these fables, it’s just that this is the reality that a truly western politician gets along well with, this is several centuries of training in the ruling western elite in these terms, this is iboden,

this... and gops and machiavli, this is absolutely , this is a political school built because efficiency is important to them, if they now understand that it is impossible to take forces through the ukrainians with conventional weapons, this is really a choice here, there are many other factors, then they will break us again according to the old, according to the old program, they will offer us some kind of truce conditions , and then it will be the same, that is, later , as soon as they strengthen themselves, that’s why, in my opinion, it’s time... why realize what the west is? he is not bad and not good, he is just like that, that is, believe the west, look, as we often say, even our president says we were deceived, this is not an argument, if we are involved in the politics of a great country, we do such important things, then no one , not just the west, but not even the west, ours allies, and even then we cannot completely trust, because our national interests, our value system, it requires from our

rulers... that at a critical moment all this is preserved, so i think the most important conclusion from the previous one, of course, will be there will be strikes, there will be sabotage, there will be attacks, but the most important thing is that we must not just not trust the west, we must finally understand in what political context, we have to rely only on our own forces, we have these 16 times more uavs, with we have one conversation, we will advance, now we will approach kiev, then we will think, in fact, it’s better to also weigh ours... and what will they tell us, promise us, how will they conjure us, how will they praise us, or what will they frighten us with? for this we just need to make certain discounts, because they will do it, they are imprisoned for this , their life, this is a whole system, so it seems to me that our weak point, it can also be our strong at the same time, is something that we do not share politics and morality, but they share, so at least understand that we are okay for we will not treat ourselves well, we will treat our own people well, but when we are simply

dealing with an outright enemy , we will not lie to russia, not because they were so good, noble, naive, because they believed that russia, then the soviet union, was a great power , it’s more expensive to deceive her, they still won’t go anywhere for deceiving

her.” it is more important for us that we have, among them, but a reputation for agreement as capable people, than to achieve some kind of momentary benefit. these people, from my point of view, do not now rule in the west, in the west after the victory in the cold war war, as they themselves describe it, they , with the help of the balts and other sworn friends of russia, came to the conclusion that the russians, the modern equivalent of the american indians, are backward people, they are savages. who are doomed to fail, but since they are savages, a promise to savages has no force, right, these are not our civilized western people, and you can say absolutely anything

, you can count on them to always do something that you can use against them, to expose them as harshly as possible, in general, they decided, that... lying to the russians is a win-win, that they won’t be punished for it, what do you think, alexander , but i think you’re right, of course, it’s difficult, i think they all tried, and keisenjaro largely succeeded in deceiving us , when he spoke about convergence, two systems that will be in conjunction with, they destroyed a great country, i think that in general, it’s a different matter for bismarck, who had a ring with the inscription nothing, he tried to understand what it means this... word, because when he lived in russia, he a lot of experience, gained experience, he saw some kind of secret that is better not to get involved with, it cannot be reduced simply to savagery barbarism, but in principle your idea as a whole is correct, correct, now those people

who rule the west, they really they view us as barbarians, that’s absolutely true, they have accepted that it’s possible, not only possible, to lie to barbarians, but there’s nothing wrong with that, but look, dmitry, how they lie to europeans, because they lie to everyone, even if they’re lying to their own population , they are chasing people who say some kind of opinion that is not, not not similar to them - dissimilar to them, such as trumpists or some american conservatives, they treat them in the same way, this is a special category of current rulers, they lie not only to us, that’s what i i want to say, in relation to the american population, to their european partners, they lie to the arab sheikhs, they lie to the israelis, although in reality it is difficult for the israelis. manit, they can do it too, they are also makivalists, but in any case, you are right about the characterization this, you are right that, for one reason or another, we are really dealing with

a special category of western rulers, your last word, senator, i think i want to finish on a slightly different topic, it seems to me that our main task now is - solving internal problems, issues of internal security, these blows that they inflict are very difficult, the main thing is to work with young people, because now we need to explain to young people how dangerous all this is, and by the way, we have an order from the chairman of the federation council, we are now all in the regions we conduct conversations with young students, with high school students, we tell the goals, tasks of a special operation, using examples we explain what can... play a game of trying to earn some 100-200 dollars by giving out some information that all this leads to treason , and i think this work needs to be tightened up and activated. i absolutely agree with you, i said your last

word, but in general i decided that the last word should belong to the general, because it was the military who bore the brunt and the main heroes of those successes, which have been achieved? i absolutely agree with aleksandromelevich, we cannot trust, we need to prepare for the last , so to speak, i hope, one might say, for the next stage of our special military operation, we need to win, we need to work with young people, actually working with young people is evidence of this is the number of volunteers and contract soldiers about which the ministry of defense is completely objective. 3500 people, we don’t need any additional mobilization, all the leaders of the ministry have already said this defense, and the president said about this that we have enough strength, i hope that this

will be enough for us to win, enough for victory. it was a great game, we'll see you on the air tomorrow. hello, this is a podcast of the first persons and my hero today, director of the state hermitage mikhail borisovich pyatrovsky. hello, good evening, mikhail borisovich, when was the last time you walked around the hermitage all alone? i almost always walk alone through the halls of the hermitage, but something else is important, when i ’m full of people, i also walk alone, for me it doesn't matter if there are people in rometage or.

no, i’m so used to ermeta, it’s very important, people don’t bother me, well, except for those situations when it’s impossible to get through, it’s coming back now, it’s important, because if a person knows the museum, knows art, in general he’s not afraid, that there is a crowd standing nearby, he still sees what he wants to see, and what do you see, you see peeling wallpaper, or you see maybe a loose baseboard or unwiped dust, well, to be honest, of course it’s always more pleasant to walk through someone else’s museum, because there, firstly, you... are distracted by the fact that suddenly the picture hangs a little crookedly there or suddenly something is worn out on the floor, besides, when you notice the shortcomings, you are pleased, in your first you should notice the shortcomings , but in general there is time and energy left to see how the paintings resonate with each other, especially when it comes to an exhibition, how the exhibition is made, which ones are going on, how all this is illuminated, and then you can also watch how it goes yourself the public, that you...' in visitors, here

there are some situations when you feel just like that, you know, rising irritation, no , nothing irritates me about visitors when it’s in the halls, because i’m irritated by those visitors who irritate something, we have very frequent complaints, why children in a museum screaming? people get irritated, that’s why it’s interesting for me to see that cross-section of people, why and how they get irritated, not because the museum annoys them, the museum can irritate itself, in general, the remix of a museum that is very annoying, why? firstly? it's powerful the institution is always a symbol of power, when the revolution came it was hated, irritated, because it was a symbol of the tsarist regime, when perestroika took place, dirt was poured all the time, because it was a symbol - to say soviet, in soviet times it was also great, but now it’s terminage irritates a lot of people, because here he is again , some kind of imperial symbol and kings always irritate all sorts of things, well

, these irritations need to be a little bit so to speak, as if it’s interesting to study, this, but this is just more on social networks than in the museum, in the museum people generally look normally, it’s very interesting to listen, sometimes what the guides say, both ours and others’, if you hear some kind of absurdity or inaccuracy, you can come up , correct, no, i will never correct anyone, i will never correct anyone, even when there is such complete disgrace, when... our own guides stand in the small throne room near the sign, please don’t stop and talk for a long time, even then i don’t make a comment, i make later, but in in principle, we sometimes, well, in fact, we listen to what especially the gitas who speak foreign languages, strangers, say, and sometimes we tell other colleagues in other museums what we know, we listen to what different guides from countries say, the east, they really love to say that everything that is in museums is stolen

from them, and they say it, they are so wonderful, because they come to your house and say, well, this is usual, now everyone likes to say this, everyone thinks that someone stole something from them, and the museum is again one of those, well objects, attacks, which concentrates this feeling of such ressentiment that everyone has been stolen something, so-called vip visitors, presidents and kings come to you, you usually, as far as i see, give them a tour yourself, like a hospitable host, so is this such an obligation for you, such a necessity, or are you really interested in each of these guests, filled with power and a special position? well, let's start , i actually like to start everything now with linguistics, i don't give excursions, excursions are conducted by guides when people come to whom i am leading the tour, that i am leading them around the hermitage and half of the conversations are not about the hermitage at all, but in general. about art, about culture, because as a rule

, people come who either i know or who know me, they say, they know who to fight with, so there is always a special special topic for everyone to talk about, especially if kings come, it’s very easy it is interesting to discuss the palace, the condition of the palace, how to preserve the furniture so that it does not deteriorate, i must say that the administrative and economic issue is necessary to say that it is always very interesting to compare royal persons who have their own palaces that need to be taken care of. they understand that not everything can shine, because the palace, he lives, now there are a lot of people in it, and when there are few people in it, life still goes on there, he lives, so there should always be some kind of scuffs in it, there should be few of them. but they should be, it happens that you see that the guest, in general, is not very interested in what you are talking about, he is here rather serving such, such it happens, it almost never happens, armitage is a place that, firstly, permeates everyone, and secondly, in general, people somehow understand that they should admire, perhaps, my experience, i have a lot of it, i haven’t yet

was the director when i took saddam hussein, then he was not yet the first person in iraq, there he was very interesting, they talked about the revolution, he was such an arabic person for me, in general... romantic, interesting everything, but everything he saw completely passed him by, absolutely, and what does our president, vladimir putin, like about armitage? does he have any special attachments to the halls or some works? well, first of all, putin created an absolutely wonderful scheme, even fruitless , even when he had people before, well , they came, so to speak, accompanied him, although our top russian officials almost never came to the armitage. in fact, yeltsin was the first to come to vermezh, while our president was still the head of the external relations department of the mayor's office, the st. petersburg smolny, he was one of the first, he came and that means then somewhere in the armitage

held short negotiations, since then, in general, quite often, he comes with guests, and that means we walk around the hermitage, then they go away and talk about something, then return further and so on, something like this happens, that is, it’s not even they are sitting in some room, here is a story about armitage, sometimes it is connected with some exhibitions that open there together, the last time he pressed, he gave us a lithium instrument, so to speak, returned abroad, such wonderful church instruments that were made. for her wedding for, when she married the duke of edinburgh, this is the beloved daughter of alexander ii, and the spirit of winter exists , some kind of spirit, not of a museum, of walls that many have seen, of political plans, here the spirit of winter is interesting, because we are

right now they did a little work on it, and the winter palace is a palace, well, it is a palace, a powerful palace and such a very symbolic palace, it is not petergov. not pavlos, where we went in the summer, this is a powerful residence, where in general it is not very cozy, and where there are very formal halls, which generally belittles everyone, each person feels a little lower when he goes to these ceremonial halls, and all this remains, it is preserved, it exists as part of the museum, and this is the peculiarity of the hermitage, but there is another part, the winter palace was a place where people lived, between large halls, there are passages, there are mezzanines, where all kinds of life was, the life of servants and the imperial... families lived, and when the palace was rebuilt, during the soviet era, it turned into a museum, then this palace her apartment was being cleaned, uh-huh, well, i see, bedrooms, excuse me, bathrooms, toilets, all sorts of things, storage for linen, uh, additional libraries, all this was cleaned in order to preserve only such a powerful

palace, and the household palace was leaving, now we’re just we did it just the other day, by the way, i didn’t walk alone, i walked alone, i actually walked alone too. according to the museum , only with a television group, we made a whole film about the palace of hidden palaces, that is, hidden living quarters that actually come out where and what is now some kind of offices or somewhere offices, somewhere just corners, somewhere storage rooms , just like there were storage rooms, somewhere the stairs are walled up, somewhere there is a door, and then the stairs are already closed, that is, these are the traces , which in fact, well, it turned out to be a lot, in my opinion it turned out on the body of the series, but this is... what always remains from sales, which is very interesting, but what is of course more interesting when it is already a little removed, because it does not fit with the imperial grandeur that today determines the content of armature exhibitions, that is do you have some kind of artistic council, maybe you will coordinate it with one of the leaders

of the country, with the presidential administration, well , first of all, we have not coordinated anything with anyone, for the 30 years that i have been director of the hermit. i was not once told what i should do or what i should not do; on the contrary, they were told many times, if the ministers, that the hermitage decides itself and this is its business, we have, of course, we have an academic council, we yes, but they said it with annoyance or not, not with annoyance, when our general public very often thinks that no one orders from above, she orders from below all the time, when they stop ordering from above, just as they stopped ordering from above, it’s just that since then they have been ordering from below all the time, this is not so, this is how dare you show it, this is how dare you not show it and so on, and therefore, in response to this, various ministers have repeatedly said that they believe that they, too, should do what he does has the right to do it, this is really so, another... the thing is that the museum should give people the opportunity to see different things, we do exhibitions, we always do them in one go, we have several dates around which we do exhibitions, we do them

in a big way for a variety of tastes, there is an exhibition of russian imperial history, a russian exhibition of russian icons, an exhibition of flemish painting, an exhibition there restored oriental things, all this goes on at the same time, please choose anything to suit every taste, you, as far as i know, practically... each curator is allowed to hold his own exhibition, some kind, to realize his idea once every few years, well this is how i conventionally say that if you don’t match, you don’t match in aesthetics, you don’t match in taste, no, well, if you don’t match in aesthetics and taste, you armit’s exhibition commission, then this won’t happen, here’s an internal commission, we have our own the internal commission, which determines the exhibition policy, well, it is determined by me, the management, the commission, that’s why , but everyone... kurato, in principle, this is what it is, this is not a rule, but sometimes everyone can come with a topic that, well, is their favorite

artist, that’s exactly what i want to do, in basically, in fact, it is safe to give such freedom, because all our curators and authors of exhibitions, they are all brought up in the armitage tradition, they will not do anything bad, continuing the theme of tradition, you have already said more than once how i hear some with such bitterness, that today there is a museum somewhere... well, firstly, without any bitterness , in general, i have said a lot of things over 30 years , so let’s answer for yours, so i try not to answer, but they always these words imply some kind of allusions, well, a buffet table can be museum how to do for example, this is a metro museum or a banquet, or of course if it is done by the museum itself, this is the most important thing about the museum between the temple - this is a very important one, it was not invented by me, it was invented by maikalim, this is a very important... scheme, because the museum is originally it was born from temples, where trophies were put, and even there he lived according to the rules of the temple, there is

an element of entertainment here, people very often perceive museums and want to perceive them as entertainment, at the same time, the museum also wants, the museum wants people to receive pleasure, but at the same time he wants them to get to know a better world and not only have fun, so this is just a reality that exists, in the museum you can go through everything, only the museum itself should do this, no one should use the museum for themselves, the museum can hold it at our place, there are charity evenings at the armitage, when we open exhibitions, we have buffets, but there shouldn’t be other people’s things here, it ’s not like you can come to rent a hall for that, but you can’t come to rent a hall, hall come, it’s impossible to take it off, although people really want it and all this is offered many times, and if some events related to the museum happen, in our style we make one or another

type of celebration. no one suggested, of course, because we have, please, if you want to take a photo during the wedding dress, please, you can buy an additional ticket and take photos, please, of course, no, but there are some all the time, there are stripes, especially people even come, it’s not like some particularly strong worlds, it’s just there writes a letter there, i would like to rent a hall there for some events, or i would like to know how much it costs to rent a hall from you to make my exhibition, it’s all about the same thing, a big cleaning, how to keep the blood vessels healthy, without this men are powerless , the secret of pumpkin seeds when you don’t have your own protection. immunodeficiencies, program to live healthy,

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the first, this is the first podcast persons, the director, the sovereign, is visiting me. you and rospotrepnadzor have issues regarding this any questions? and what oversight questions might there be regarding. they live where they need to, they never go out into the halls, and the rules are all observed, god willing, so that all people, regarding people. all the sanitary rules, as we observe regarding cats, there was a story that about two years ago there was a certain donor, a french one, who left part of the inheritance to your cats, the soul of this person’s clerk contacted you, in the end you received this money, yes you did, i i don’t remember now how much it was, a couple thousand

there are euros, so we got them, spent on housing for food, on houses for cats, and as i understand it, you have a separate line for... this is one of the myths, maybe or memes of the hermitage, this is a hermitage watch, you have a watch in the office there are special ones, you know, these are all the things that they do, or the visitors come up with them, no, depending on the fact that i don’t know what the visitors come up with, we come up with them, and then we inspire the visitor, because what’s with the cats, cats appeared in history, there were always two or three cats, but the time has come, relatively speaking, there perestroika post-soviet, when the first thing people do when it’s hard is throw out their pets. so people suddenly began to pick up abandoned cots on the street to bring vermetage to try to save them somewhere here then they began to ask me for permission, can we increase the population of cats a little and it was not just because some people liked it and others killed these cats all this this is not just a game, it now looks like such a marketing ploy, but this was actually such an education in people

such a kind attitude towards animals, then it will be good towards people. relationships, this is what the museum brings up from this unobtrusive way, it turns out, now it’s so wonderful , all sorts of children’s events are happening around this, and watches are another story, uh, that means there are a huge number of fermit watches, they are all beautiful and good and we have for many years, our colleagues tried to persuade us to create a special watch restoration workshop, and well, it was difficult, especially this was already 25 years ago, but it’s money, staff, and, well, in general, to organize a whole... well, only on one condition, if all the clocks in the museum work, okay, those creators of the workshop promised this, indeed, the restoration of the peacock clock has begun, now all the clocks go to the museum, the laboratory workers, the clock restorations go , they are wound up because they need to be wound up, they all beat the museum , this is very important, this is in fact, the person who is in charge is not a special person, it is

the leader who walks there, we have an amazing masterful restoration of watches, which i was created in my time at sea from my directorship, by the way they received a state award, these are absolutely brilliant masters, they wind this clock, they make sure it works, that’s why it strikes, well, the clock is exactly the same in my office, they come too , they wind it up, and when they take it off, it’s true that this is pyotr ilvich tchaikovsky’s watch, tchaikovsky’s watch, firstly , there were several sneezes, i don’t find out which ones, i don’t check at all, there are things that legends check... no need, because it will only ruin your mood, they say the watch belonged to tchaikovsky, so everyone can read to pyotr ilyich, modest, anyone, how long you usually come home, well, it varies, but in general i usually come home around 9-10, how this evening at home usually goes, well in different ways, now there was covid, so we live outside the city most of the time, so when we come and

walk, well, then we need to read the news. draw up a program for the next day, you have often talked about such a mystical connection with your father, you have conversations with him, in general , you have something like that, dad, that’s what i have past, when mysticism, that’s what i said mysticism, but mysticism is a concept , who understands, mysticism does not include conversations, yes, mysticism includes, there are, of course, mystics had, when conversations are recorded there, there with god, there is saint teresa and so on, well, the conversation can be non-verbal, however, it can be an exchange of sensations. so to speak, i have communication , but if i am sitting, however, now i have already moved to the other side of the office in the same chair where my father was sitting all around, i am essentially everything, what we have done over these 30 years is that we have completed everything that he started, we have created the main headquarters, the fund depository, everything else, a large international armitage, so i feel this connection, i feel agreement, disagreement, but it is

so completely non-verbal, so to speak, such life... you know, in armitage , unlike, say, many other buildings here in the suburbs of st. petersburg, the buildings stand behind and the people live there, everyone who lived there, so we don’t really have a ghost there, because that everyone who was. they live within these walls they all communicate with us, not only my father, yes, i think, our empress communicates with us, as the founder, like our previous generations of armitage employees, they live somewhere out there all the time, they greatly influence, of course , everything, and how this happens, well, how this is mysticism, it is not described in words, you know, when - for example, well , eastern mysticism is usually explained, yes, eastern mystical poets, who always seemed to write about - they are all about love, there is some kind of marhayam and about drunkenness, yes, in fact it is

attempts to explain in human language this spiritual intoxication, which only by talking about love and intoxication in wine can convey a little bit of what insight is, that’s why it ’s impossible to tell, but mention it and show, let’s say, there are offices, portraits on the walls people, you can, and then this is this... the connection becomes clear to others. in 1997, the international astronomical union named an asteroid in honor of you and your father, but how do you generally feel about this tradition? well, first of all, how nice it is when an asteroid has been named in your honor, it’s nice , there’s a planet, especially since they recently sent me another one, there are kind people who are studying all this, they sent a whole passport, that’s where this planet is, this asteroid, what’s its size it seems small, everything else, but it’s interesting, well, by the way, when... there was an idea to name it after me and my father, then they called the armitage asteroid, one of the asteroids, and then i asked to name the second louvre, then

there was a scheme she's like that, i don't know, she's like this now exists or not, two institutions had the right to name it, the american academy, the astrophysical institute, our institute of astronomy , the academy of sciences of st. petersburg, they could call it by different names, so there are quite a lot of russian names there in the heavens, but its luur, the planet lur also now exists, here is a small planet , i like this better, an asteroid - it’s understandable, how so disrespectful, a small proneta sounds very serious, you are half-norman, how do you feel this caucasian armenian blood, there is such a caucasianism in you, which changes you, makes, firstly , i am half armenian, and in the second half i am russian, so, that’s why i have three bloods, respectively, three religions behind my back, yes, catholic, orthodox and armenian-gregorian, and i am also a hereditary russian nobleman, this means that it removes all

the differences between these internal national ones, because this is actually not very simple in a period when everything in our life is complex and different situations, then in general it's hard to be at the same time both, and my armenian blood rages when in armenia they speak badly about russians , it rages when in russia they speak badly about armenians, with the poles it’s even more difficult, so we need to find some way out, a way out into orientalization, the ability to understand different things, let’s talk about this part of your life, about orientalism, well, with orientalism , they often sometimes say to me, they asked me in interviews, have i become oriental, because i am eastern. armenian blood, this always surprised me very much, now it doesn’t surprise me anymore, because i didn’t consider armenia much of the east, i was used to the fact that, well, this is part of life, armenia is my father’s excavations, it is a christian country, these are people who

speak russian better than in leningrad, here is the caucasian intelligentsia, and in the ark is exactly there, that’s why it seemed to me that i didn’t feel it, the east for me was that, then the real east, where the muslim one is what i later dealt with, so it’s uh, you play with it somehow, because it helps, on the one hand, it’s such a variety and can switch like that, with with your wife, you have such a conflict of cultures, because she is a muscovite, you are from st. petersburg, no , there is a conflict, and you married her at a fairly mature age, we overcame the conflict of cultures, she still had a conflict when i persuaded her to move to leningrad , and she persuaded me to move to moscow, believing that... in moscow it would be more interesting and there would be more prospects, probably a career, more prospects and a career, well, i had a career anyway, okay, that’s it, but then still she

moved, and it was a wrap on her part, of course, because well, the lifestyles are different, but she got used to it, she is now very petersburg, what were the difficulties that she had to overcome and change herself, well , i won’t say that such great difficulties, you know, because somehow in reality , and moscow life is so fast, impetuous, st. petersburg, calm, reasonable, and this one irritates , yes, a person who is used to deciding everything quickly, she is also by nature, a person who needs everything faster than immediately, she is a capricorn, so , but here everything is somehow calm, but then it turns out that things are quite dynamic here, and the children turned out to be muscovites or st. petersburgers, grandchildren? it’s difficult because yes,

of course. petersburgers, here, but, daughter masha, she moved to moscow , and already began to work, she first worked here, she is also in the east, she worked in st. petersburg, then in leningrad, st. petersburg, then in moscow, now in moscow, so she , well, after all, she has a st. petersburg temperament, let’s just say, well, her son boris grew up in st. petersburg, so he is also a st. petersburg, in general, they are all st. petersburgers, we after all, a st. petersburg family with such places, st. petersburg traditions, you have one granddaughter, yes, one granddaughter , you communicate, don’t see each other often, we communicate, but not often, because in moscow, then there are all sorts of moves, illnesses, all that in general we communicate, but now everything is after it began, we all communicate more and more on the phone, this is a podcast of top officials, my guest is the director of the state hermitage, mikhail borisovich pyatrovsky, are you discussing the museum at home? well, yes

, of course, your loved ones and relatives criticize you, it happens, well, how can i say it? here a little, of course, they criticize me on all counts and the museum, not museums, and i cut my hair, didn’t cut my hair, everything else, so no, we discuss everything so calmly, but in fact there is a special thing with the hermitage, of course it was there when i was growing up in our family, it’s like our own home, it’s a home for everyone, although no one was going to work there. but we have always had this, so for all of us, the hermitage is also part of the house, part of life, discussions are natural, of course , we discuss most of all when something is difficult, when you want to share, discuss, but in general, other people criticize it, when other people criticize, i’m used to it , this is just ira, don’t worry, sometimes my job

descriptions come first, throw mud as much as you like, it doesn’t matter, you even have armitage ’s birthday on practically the same day, yes, with a difference, no, it’s not with hermitage, armitage ’s is december 7th, my birthday is december 9th, well, it’s close, yes, but december 7th - we came up with st. catherine’s day, because the hermitage doesn’t have any day birth, we celebrate it, here is the birthday of the hermitage, the year sixty-four, when catherine bought the first collections of gotskovsky, and there is no unknown date, so everyone has birthdays, we don’t, so we sladivich matveev, the late deputy, wondered how if we could find something like this, let’s figure it out, when do you think, when catherine could come to the gotzkovsky collection to look at them, in the summer it’s clear, in the summer she’s out of town, so, well, it came up somewhere in december, that’s it here we have st. catherine’s day, one of st. catherine’s days, and we have december 7th, let’s celebrate it, and that’s how it

came about. now there is a day of armitage around this, yes, it’s wonderful, you are arabists, you often quote from the koran, and in arabic , however, translate them into russian, for which thank you, but in general why are you doing this, indeed, i’m actually vystokov, i am an arabist and i, even today, am an arabist and vystokovvet, this is very important, the director of the museum, how much like carmetage should there be, so to speak a playing coach, an active scientist, i am a university professor and academician of the russian academy of sciences. i publish books all the time, i head the all-russian islamic program, i am the dean of the faculty of oriental studies, all this is a profession without which it is impossible to be the director of the hermitage, the director of the museum must be a scientist, an active scientist, this is very important in order to maintain a balance between economics and politics , science, entertainment, a temple for everyone, that is , it is more important for scientists to be than for managers when it comes to, the fact is that well, this is also this you can say, this is what i often repeat, a scientist can become a manager, a manager

cannot become a scientist, well, look , for example, you cite this formula from the twelfth sura from yusuf: patience is wonderful, a beautiful formula, it is found in many religions, christian, absolutely exactly, but what do you have to endure, that is, what is patience for you, well , first of all, a clarification, that i bring excellent patience, this is a general saying that sounds a little differently in the koran, excellent patience is mentioned there, there is all sorts of nuances, i say just in case, maybe i’m still a filo. and the nuances are very important here, but this is really a very good expression, in which there is a lot of pride, this is sabrujam, sabra - this is an ancient arabic terminoma poet. this is not just patience, this is proud patience, that is, this is not humility, it is patience, this is patience, islam is humility, islam means humility, and sabrun is proud, you have to endure a lot of things, but this is the meaning of this savr,

what you endure for the sake of what you know that you're right, you know that you're doing so and so, you know that you didn't bend your heart, you know that your father would have done that, or maybe that other person would have done that, you know, that, in general, you know the perspective, you know why, why you , what happened in your life when you really had to endure, and you pulled yourself together, maybe this is the thought that patience, i think, so there was nothing particularly scary or strong, it’s just that all the time when they say some nasty things there, it’s not scary, but i have to endure it especially not necessary, so this is common, i think, regarding all sorts of small problems, when there is no money for projects, well, we endure, they tell you, we won’t give it, we endure, we go again and again we patiently go and demand money, the corpses of the enemy

float past you, a wonderful story, no, the corpses of enemies don’t float, don’t float, they somehow disappear on their own , it’s there, it’s there, by the way, i just can’t resist, because now we’re constantly explaining that this is the expression does not belong at all. not confucius, not lidzy, at all is not chinese wisdom, it was invented, so you often say from the hadith of the prophet muhammad, allah loves the beautiful, what is beautiful now, right now in this time, the beautiful is always and what the museum teaches is beautiful in diversity, because the world has different situations, there are different people, different faces, different skins, different clothes, different customs, different events, and even when there are very difficult events, then somewhere nearby there may be other events, after them there will be other events, this is where this beauty lies world in which we live, but as for the prophet muhammad, you also already quote me, i will say that i quote, my quote is always different, the fact is that the prophet muhammad said, allah is beautiful, loves

beautifully, this is used as such a phrase , well, that islam sings of beauty, as if the basis of muslim aesthetics, well, you are professionally engaged in beauty, your eyes are not blurred, you do not feel so professional. deformation, when nothing surprises or pleases? you know, no, every time i enter the hermitage or leave the hermitage , or walk around the hermitage and think, there is some amazing museum there, but as for, well, seriously, of course, you need to diversify your experience all the time, you need to read all the time , look, see, make exhibitions, try to show armitage collections in different ways, then nothing gets blurred, of course, if you just sit there and don’t change anything. everything will become blurred and will no longer be perceived, and so you need to constantly cheer yourself up in this diversity, well, wait, now the hermitage has changed its way of life, because the hermitage 2 years ago was a museum that , well, so to speak, broadcast to the whole

world, it was the expansion of the armitage, in one piece it all collapsed, and you now we too are now isolated from that familiar west and that familiar part ... of the world, firstly, we have already lived in isolation and know how to live in it, so, it was different, but this is also isolation, secondly, of course, yes, it was cultural aggression, the hermitage, just like in in general, there was a cultural and all sorts of russian offensive, which was wonderful, we really dictated the fashion, the creation of various centers, satellites, large museums, the hermitage started, open storage facilities, that also started, we accepted all of this, and a lot of things were happening. well, now we understand that many people were already starting to get tired of this, there was already too much , as our colleagues say, we kept doing exhibitions of too many russians, imperial russia, the splendor of the imperial court, russia russia, this is no longer for everyone today, this is no longer for everyone

interesting, it means we need to build a little differently, yes, we gave the world a lot, now we are in a blockade, but firstly it is not complete, secondly, we know the experience of a blockade, when you blockade what you need is for everyone to see it , therefore our second stage of the big armitage project, according to which we live in those years, is armitage in the sky or armitage in the clouds, we create products that are visible in the clouds, visible regardless of the fact that you can’t come to us and we’re not going anywhere in particular, although we go east, then everyone sees us like you know, you mean that some kind of virtual world is virtual, virtual armitage, we have developed this a lot over time, well, we’ll see later, when you look from the windows of the hermitage at the palace... that’s what you would like to warn against today's world and your contemporaries, we all know that history does not teach anything, people do not learn from history lessons, but at the same time they must know these lessons of history, so we simply must,

people must know everything that happened, remember, what happened and what they will continue to be to be guided or not, that’s how it turns out, it was the director of the state hermitage, mikhail borisovich pyatrovsky, the first persons in the podcast. you are watching the podcast precious history, i am its host ekaterina varkan and today our