[000:00:00;00] starting work in the modest management system of one of the best universities in the nineties and therefore choosing between business and mathematics between business and modest management in the administration of this university, well, the choice was made and today we are meeting, please tell me, this is how it is weigh in, you both said that of course, let’s say, if a person decides to do science, then it’s not about making money, but at the same time - well, naturally, he lives, he needs something to eat, there’s a family and other things, here it is for me it seems that the cultural environment as a whole today stimulates this interest very little, because it says, well, you must be successful, you must succeed, and this is in many ways, this fashionable kpi, it is actually financial, yes, and the scientist really, his point of attraction, it is in a different sphere, but in culture, there is support for this position, well, even uh, i don’t

want to idealize the time, but in soviet times, it was much more powerful, it was easier for a person to choose this path than now, because now it’s really not easy the offer comes from business, but consciousness, you know, the offer can be rejected, so to speak, according to the gospel principle, where your treasure is, there is your heart, since childhood everyone at school tells you that well, you should, so to speak, earn good money , then this choice is very difficult to make, no, it seems to me that now we have returned to that value paradigm when... a scientist is a worthy, prestigious paid profession, where you don’t just satisfy curiosity at the expense of the state, curiosity at very good instruments, with good reagents, in communication with leading world teams, and the amount of incentives is much greater even than in soviet times, so it seems to me that we have finally overcome this period when the profession of

a scientist and the profession of a teacher are like a grandson i say school teachers were half forgotten, i remember how they bowed to my grandfather, the school teacher, in the village when we walked out of the village, picking mushrooms, this was not determined by how much he was, this is of course cultural, it was a cultural code and his relationship with people , now we see the relationship between our students at the university, our scientists at the university, and how the guys in international-class laboratories communicate. it’s depicted how they get involved, no, it seems to me that we have passed this period of formation of values ​​and significance, the profession of researcher and scientist , yegor bovich, i saw a time when there were no reagents, when there was no equipment, yes, but what in such a situation encourages a person, well, firstly, they still don’t exist, by and large, what can i say, to sin, well, at least to a certain extent, in the science that i do, there are

practically none. yes, that is, unfortunately, our country here does not produce reagents for the science that i am involved in, yes, and actually for all molecular biology, biotechnology, this is a big problem, with instruments, it’s also a big problem, and it’s definitely necessary to decide, if we talk about the cultural code of vladimir romanovich, then of course, well, i would not entirely agree , it has certainly changed, it has changed from, in general , creation to consumption, and a scientist, he is of course such a creator, he is such an ascetic in world, a monk in the world, by and large, and this is not only in russia, in america , well, in general, white americans are not very willing to go into science, of course, in america this is not, a super prestigious story, now we we talked to evgei ivanovich ragaev , a full professor in america, he can’t, even if he works everywhere, everyone pays him, in my opinion, 200,000 dollars, that sounds like a lot per

year. yes, it sounds very proud, but uh, for example, education at mit, where one of his relatives was supposed to go, is worth 80,000 a year, yes, plus insurance, plus housing, that is, come on, tugriks, they need to be counted relatively, so there’s no 200,000 a year, but then, if you’re some kind of aspiring lawyer, you’ll be a million, so , and this is a complete pro, so that you, you know, become a full professor , you still, you still have to live a long time, when there were no reagents at all, i remember that when i was a graduate student, it was ninety-two, ninety-three, well dad had a car, i drove around, drove a taxi, then with this money i bought some enzymes, yes, my parents they gave me some money, it was such a very difficult time, but since no one was there, everyone left, they told me, well, do you want to be the head of the laboratory, i’m a graduate student, well, that’s it, there’s nothing there, please, the head of

the laboratory without problems to empty. half-empty institutes, which means, of course, now is not the same story, progress, progress, certainly significant progress, well, this scientific atmosphere, scientific, everything, it is, well, the number of groups interacting with each other, there are problems here, yes, there are problems on the one hand, but the world doesn’t really seem to be thirsty for us, this is also another , the next story, entering the magazines there are outstanding, is it good to publish in the best magazines, is it possible to publish in them, this is a publication race, publish, publish or die, there are a lot of points in which it is necessary... of course to regulate, but i agree with my dear colleague that there is certainly progress, i don’t think that we can already say that everything is good, but there is certainly progress, if you

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territory soon on the first, maybe behind it hang his tail, let's wait, his head is full of others right now. and today we gathered our thoughts on the topic of science and education: egor prokharchuk, nikita anisimov, i’m vladimir, we continue. several times nikitai emphasized that there is a profession of a scientist, just so that i understand, yes, after all, the profession of a scientist, here i am as a teacher of cultural studies, i don’t want to call myself a culturologist there, yes, i don’t actually do science, as such, but i teach quite for a long time, i understand that she appears late, yes, the profession of scientists, and let's say he was not a scientist, he was a government official, he was involved in finance, something else, yes, but the profession of a scientist appears a few centuries later, you know, like with philosophers, we say, there is a professional philosopher, yes, but his difference from some of the same socrates there, or there, i don’t know plato, that for

these people, life is an occupation, but they were one, but here, so to speak, an academic philosopher went through something like that, said something, well, he didn’t go any further i know, there to mind my own business, there’s this gap, i lost it the science? with the advent of the profession of a scientist, i’ll ask you out of the blue, because you talked about it as something absolutely positive , i understand why, but there are some disadvantages in the emergence of this profession of a scientist, you know, it seems to me that any ordering, it narrows the scope, in in this regard, in this regard, of course, before the advent of rome, the absence of roman law probably gave people more opportunity, when we regulate this or that profession in a certain way, we discuss the profession of a scientist, of course, this narrows the opportunity, and let's be honest, very often the manager is the first to speak to the scientist, which is not very correct, begins to dictate

to the scientist unnecessary rules for the very purchase of reagents, instruments, to complicate procedures that would seem to be more attractive in other places and can just reorient the very young people we are talking about today, because now there is a race for talent and not only in terms of salary, but also in terms of implicit conditions, the presence of these or... freedom, we can attract or repel, therefore, of course, in addition to institutional decisions, which i spoke very carefully about, investing funds and creating projects, yeah, it’s very important to pay attention to each person and his needs, by the way, to the needs of his family, yeah, because a scientist doesn’t always make certain decisions about his future , only relying on his own everyday experience, but on the everyday experience of his family, especially the young scientist. there are a lot of interesting turns that open up at once

, yes, but since i have already stated that we will talk about how to attract young people, here look, let’s say, there are areas, well, sports, for example, where it’s clear, but you want to do figure skating , well, how old are you? 12, goodbye, there’s ballet, yes, why didn’t you come 5 years ago, here’s for science something like this or a fundamentally different story here, and you can become successful as a scientist quite late, it was already partly said that you need to try the trial-error method in school, well, this kind of thing for... a person can start doing science quite late , well, first of all, the profession of a scientist, a priest is profession, if we are talking about christianity, then christianity is inside, it is a calling, and if it is a famous profession or calling, so to speak, yes, the priest must hear this call, as they say, right? well, a scientist should also hear the call, but he can , that is, relatively speaking, but you still have to prepare, but it’s not for nothing that i gave this example, well, that is. you see, romanovich, this is an internal driver, a bad

word, an internal motivator, and to study, to read, in this profession, well as if it’s not that your boss will scold you, or they’ll pay you less money , by and large, it’s just the internal, internal motor that sits inside you, it’s a voice, i don’t know, well, a calling, whatever you call it, he will move you, that’s why you won’t, money from your grants, well, because you decide what you need, do you want to pay yourself a salary, or do business, yes, that is, maybe you ’ll sacrifice some of the smaller salaries, more for a reagent, since grants are such a difficult story, you won’t go further work there from 10 to 5 pm, you can sometimes work there all day long, maybe on saturday and sunday, or maybe then you won’t come to work for the whole week, but you... decide within yourself how

to do it, then there is, in general, a certain internal discipline, and third, well, this is work such as christian, christian, christian, yes, well, you plow, get up at 6 in the morning, plow, sow, and then there is a drought and all your harvest goes to nowhere, well, he’s also a scientist, he can work on hypothesis and can’t find anything, just like he can’t find what he’s looking for, his hypothesis. it turns out that this also happens very often, this happens, so this is not an easy story, this is really very important, interesting , i just apparently didn’t manage to say, i meant that well, a man comes, his eyes are burning, he i want i hear voices there, that’s it, and you tell him, old man, you’re 30 years old, you haven’t studied higher mathematics, here he is, he’ll wash the dishes, let’s see first how he has a voice or not, how he’ll wash dishes, walks around, reads a book.

let's see how the dynamics are, one will come for 30 years, he will have amazing dynamics, he is there , well, there are such cases, for example, when it is true, a scientist moves from one field to another, yes, yes, this is understandable, yes there is ongey sergegevich kharuzhiev, who was a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, and he began to study philosophical, there religious and philosophical issues, achieved , so to speak, a lot of things, apparently in general the brains, if analysis and systematization are organized on it, on the other hand there are unconditional such hysteresis, that from... there mathematics, physics, in general, a biologist can be trained in biological sciences, but on the other side it works much worse, it ’s true, i have not seen examples of a person coming there at the age of 50 and starting to study science, and moreover, from this area, chemistry, physics, biology, now i’ll say, approximately, well, 90% of all nobel laureates, nobel prizes, were received by people, this was up to 30, they could get. later time passed, but in

general it was done when you it seems that you have a sea of ​​\u200b\u200bgeneration, this is an important point, that it seems to you that, well, the world is for you for now, you are still the main person in this world, and the older we get, we understand that the world, in general, he’ll live just fine without us, but they might give him a bonus , does that mean that, now i’m listening to you smart people, i understand that in an amicable way , of course, well, roughly speaking, by the time he graduates from university, it’s advisable... to help that same student as much as possible, yes about whom you are talking with such love today, so that he, well, so that he can already get his bearings, yes, that if this is his, then he needs to be here by this time or even earlier. here are the first tests as early as possible, because it is inherent in a person, and if you slowly reveal what is inherent, he can be not only a scientist, his vocation is a pilot, this is also a vocation, so the sooner we try,

so this is the profile at school , the direction and specialties that universities have, it’s all about human capabilities. gradually reveal oneself and the very calling that we are talking about today, the calling that is in him in any in any case, whether it is related to science or not, the worst thing is to disappoint, to disappoint a person who is already young, strong, actually accomplished, and then if he runs into a wall, no, well, you just see here, it was also said here, of course, i don’t know what it is, the formula for happiness, yes, when you do what you love and you succeed in it, but for me, for example, look, i had to in another area, i had to somehow try to delicately explain to people that what they seems to be poetry, them production, has nothing to do with poetry, the most difficult, the most unloved, but as an editor i was always looking for forms of that, we ultimately created a joint poetry section in our magazine with another magazine, i say, listen, dear

magazine, through the department poetry from this magazine, come to us, have you ever had any situations in your life when you need to explain to a person that the old man is wonderful? it seems to you that you will hear, but science is not yours, here you are, first of all, is this clear, let’s say, here you are, yes, with side, and what to do in this case, well, the dean here would probably say better, the dean is closer to such a correspondent of the russian academy of sciences, they are not what they were, they literally exist every day, yes, that means, of course, i have a conflict with my employees, because i haven’t been working in the laboratory for a long time, but i’m organizing... he doesn’t know anything, nothing to him, i say, we need to give a chance, let’s see, another week goes by, there’s still how much money did the reagents go into the trash, no, we need to give it a chance to the person, i say, and they say, well, it’s impossible, he’s taking up time, something else

, here i am, i internally believe that it is necessary to bring the situation to a point where the person himself says, you know, enough is enough, yes, i’m kind of enough . i understood everything, yes i understood everything, that’s why, well, i’m trying not to say it directly, because, well, you never know, damn it, maybe it’s me, this and that person will be einstein there, yes, and i ’ll ruin his fate like this, but i hope that time and life itself will put these in their places, well, of course, if there’s a closed door go there a dozen times, well, at some point the person himself will understand, i try to be as gentle as possible, but such situations... all the time, well, in general, not only in science, but this can happen, it’s good when a person himself understands, and when it’s a wild disease, well, the fact is that in our field, if you are, well, ineffective, if you do work there that is uninteresting for the scientific community, then either you are a genius who is simply ahead of

his time, well decade, yes, that is, you are doing work that is incomprehensible to others, it cannot be assessed, and each of us found ourselves in such a situation, one way or another. here, but in general, the work that you do can be appreciated by your colleagues, the professional community, and if there is no interest in your work at all, then you simply won’t have money, because understand, you’re talking about a profession scientist, well, that’s the way it works in our world, that you don’t have a fixed salary, you live, well, from grant to grant, i really love carpenters, i do carpentry myself, yes, but here, if you don’t have a grant, then you have it's like everything about you, you you disband the laboratory, people leave, they look for their own people, and you yourself will find yourself without a salary and should be, relatively speaking, in the west you go to give lectures, as

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series of games from november 26 at the first nikita yuevich anisimov, egor borisovich prokharchuk, i am vladimir legoyda, we gathered our thoughts on the topic of science and education. let's continue. popularization of science, how important it is today, what trajectories it should follow, yes, that’s the society we have there. yes, there has appeared, which means that it is trying to do just that, education, but also, of course , science, yes, we have wonderful, absolutely people, there is the mathematician savateev, tatyana vladimovna chernigovskaya, neurophysiologist, yes, these are their speeches, lectures there gather a huge number of views and so on, it’s more about science, or it’s more about, so to speak, the broad masses and about, so to speak, well, somehow maintaining the level silt. science, including, what is the value of all this and is it necessary, how to develop it?

i have a lot of questions at once, you know, firstly, well, of course, there are possionaries who, being scientists, can popularize, on the other hand, there are people who know how to do popularization professionally, and it’s better if it ’s an interdisciplinary team, because then i think we’ll get to the result faster. and so what is there? i head the moscow knowledge society and i understand that the task of the knowledge society is now much more complex, the volume of information is such that separating information that is worth showing from that which is not worth it, because it is in some ways anti-scientific, is a separate task, and of course we are grateful to those who, being scientists

finds. so people also want to continue to engage in this profession, but this is still the passion of a person , i can’t say that this is the current professionalizer of science, i don’t know such a profession, but it is needed, we need those who popularize science , well, the problem is that society has now come to the point where it has to decide. ethical issues related to new technologies , yeah, yes, this, this is, i have this here, this concerns, well, biotology, it concerns artificial intelligence, when you you start talking to society and asking it, what do you think society is about, about human cloning, about gene editing, about the use of artificial intelligence, about using smartphone data for medical records, there are tons and tons of others, then.. .all these questions, society, but we don’t understand anything, we don’t know anything about it, we don’t understand how genome editing differs from its

sequencing, these words are not familiar to us, intelligence, yes, we don’t understand what artificial intelligence and how it differs from the quadratic equation, we don’t understand how personal data from a smartphone differs from a medical card, and when you go to society , and this could be, well, those people who make laws, politicians, and there are probably journalists, well, well, in general, who, who is this society, which, and in general, even such people conduct opinion polls, there you go denka, there, yes, the sun revolves around the earth, or how in general, yes, here, and this is further formed public opinion, you and i went through this story with vaccines, yes, yes, this is a very difficult question, and i, as a member of the senate commission on bioethics, can say that i was trying to sort it out, as it were

, on the shelves, this is the situation with these cells, please make your own decision, but these are the incoming ones, so that you understood how it works, what science can really do today, and what it is completely already science , so in this sense, the popularization of science is important not just as a pleasant pastime, you and i went, drank a cup of tea, we were told about some then science, but in educational terms accept the most important decisions, you know, when issues of biometrics are being decided, for example, well, i completely agree that this is a very serious issue, yes, probably, of course, it will not be entirely true if these decisions are made there or dictated with the scientists themselves, yes, then there is a formulation of the question that is accepted, yes, on the one hand, on the other hand, or on any side, i roughly understand how much i have not been educated, yes, but if we talk about some problems of bioethics related to genetics, if yegor

borisovich wants to fool me, he will will always fool you and that... in the end i agree, this is not so, well, if there is such a task, no, that is, you think that there is, relatively speaking, popularization can lead us to the point when society will have enough, so to speak , educated to understand, i believe that the person who can explain what he, what a hicks bazon is, relatively speaking, he can bring to the point where you can make a binary decision, yes or no, the same in genetics, i i can bring the problem to your attention. an interesting thought appeared, here's how hypothesis, we are very careful in discussing physical or biological, chemical science, because this really requires expensive instruments, reagents, and so

on, you just touched on the issue of social sciences. and this is a question that really needs a scientific assessment, and we immediately began to talk about it calmly, although this is also a very serious science, so it may be the cost of the apparatus that is needed, that is, in fact, the value of social sciences is not necessary underestimate, it seems to me, our conversation is an example of that you need to be able to listen to scientists who are engaged in the humanities and social sciences, for example, research in the field of history and high-quality historical science is much more important than our ideas about history formed on the basis of some personal experience, absolutely true, i categorically agree, and there are a lot of such examples , moreover, now there is a junction of sciences, humanities and natural sciences, this is a separate story, but of course, when you start in the same story from a certain myth that

exists there in your family, you certainly you are under the influence of this myth, and... there are many such examples, there are stalinist myths, there are anti-stalinist myths, they are all myths , but the numbers speak there, and the documents speak about something else, yes, well, but we have not gone that far yet from that time, children and grandchildren are still alive there, who are under the influence of this, so these are all mythologists, we live in such a mythological space, and of course this is the most important question, the question immediately arises, what did you say, that scientists, they loyal. the history of the soviet union has shown that they are certainly disloyal, and this is a question for the social sciences, how to educate in general that the mission of the university is only technocratic, the university is a place where we only get knowledge about

science, about the laws of thermodynamics or about the laws of the social. where we are still forming, well, something more, some kind of these, these are being formed at the university because this, in my opinion , is a more important question as a representative of the humanities, i of course, so to speak, enjoy listening to everything that my respected colleagues have just said, but here you know for some reason i have in my head now is the phrase interrupted flight because we need to finish and you see how the lively conversation went, maybe not even... not on the topics that i expected, but i was very interested, i know, i want to ask you, this doesn’t follow from the conversation that took place, but this is still connected with my original plan, i’m just very interested , it’s clear that one of the forms of popularizing science is, say, a story about some scientist, in the form, be it in the form a movie, a book, and so on, imagine that

you need to make a decision, or just yes, if there was an opportunity, or if you were asked, what kind of... in your opinion , it would be great to make a film, a good film that would help us, so to speak, in including solving the problems we talked about today, that’s what your answer would be, well, i’m a clematis university. finished, i would talk about lononosov, about lomonosov, remember, there was a wonderful film by mikhail lomonosov, such, by the way, i say, every time i watched it three times, and even in my opinion, having graduated from graduate school, i wanted to get up, to go there means to walk somewhere, so to speak, i really didn’t understand where, because i had already been, so to speak, in moscow, but we felt him as a scientist from there not enough , it was precisely for the popularization of science that you said, so i would like lamonosov to become a scientist, thank you, yegor barievich, and i would make a film about myself. i would, well, that is, i would kind of make a wonderful, wonderful movie out of this, which means that since i don’t know much about other scientists, i don’t know much, yes, that is,

it would be difficult for me to show these gears, which affect their destiny, their life, their decisions, and i have a lot of interesting stories, this is an honest answer, maybe based on the results of our conversation you will receive an appropriate proposal. thank you very much, dear friends, nikita, egor prokharchuk, i’m vladimirov, and today we gathered our thoughts on the topic of the science of everything related to this wonderful, fascinating and interesting world. hello, dear tv viewers, you are watching. podcast triggers with you its leading psychologist tatyana krasnovskaya psychologist psychotherapist sergei nasibyan is visiting us today with pavel and we will hear his story. hello pavel. hello sergey,

hello tatyana. tell us what you came to us with? i am an entrepreneur, i am 31 years old. and by the age of 31, i am running away from problems. a good start. yes, this can be formulated from different angles. well, for example, i don’t finish things , or when the need arises to make some complex, difficult decision, or a decision that will significantly push me out of my comfort zone, then i it just begins to escape from this , it can be expressed in different circumstances , for example, 2 years ago i decided that i would completely cure all my teeth, i went to a clinic in the city, chose a good clinic, they prescribed a treatment plan. the treatment plan is naturally broken down by year, well, that is, this is a long-lasting process, so i started treatment accordingly, and got to the point where

i needed to get implants, at this point i became scared because i would experience pain, and i accordingly stopped, did not complete the treatment, and accordingly, i now suffer from the fact that i have untreated teeth, this is one example, there is... another example, also 2 years ago, i decided to buy a car, but i set a goal, chose a car, concluded an agreement, made an advance payment, and well i earned money accordingly for it, but the car is quite expensive, when the moment came for making the next parts, that is, when i already had this money lying around and i was ready to buy a car, for some reason i spent part of the money, and bought an apartment with part of the money, which is also not bad, but joy it wasn’t, well, that is, everything was out of necessity, but if we proceed from the concept that life should bring joy and, accordingly , you need to realize your goals, that is, i specifically had a goal to buy this car, but

for some reason i jumped to buying apartments, yeah, you started doing what you need to do, yes, yes, and what do you get joy from in general, there is the joy that i get from simple things, from the most simple things, that is, this... yeah, that’s the joy from goals, from some big goals, from the process of achievement itself and from the fact of achieving goals. and the big goals that were achieved and you enjoyed. the first thing that came to mind now is sports. some time ago i was involved in long-distance running, that is, i am self-taught, and i came to a distance of 30 km. and i ran it a certain number of times and it brought me great pleasure, and even here - i want to run a certain number of kilometers there, not because to prove something to someone, probably first of all,

to prove to myself that i can do it , and to to understand that, well, i’m the kind of person who can run this distance, i gradually increased it, increased it, that is, i started there from there from one, from 3 from 5 km, to 30 km, i also showed this... also here’s a discussion the inner nature of this process gave me some kind of pleasure. but for some reason i stopped. what is your big goal now? currently purchasing an apartment in moscow. okay, relatively speaking, there is a goal of buying an apartment. there is probably some vision of a plan on how to do this, right? at what stage will you give up this idea? well, if we take this big goal specifically, why are you so sure, firstly, that you are already sure, pash, not me, yeah, so i ask, if you were to look back now.

and they would have talked to us there, i don’t know, 2 years later , i would have asked, pavel, did you buy an apartment, they would have said no, there, well, they probably would have further explained to me why you didn’t buy it, but i ’ll ask you, at what stage will you quit, at the stage when i would start to succeed, when i would begin to understand that the apartment is about to be bought, yeah, well, that is, when already some amount of money will be there, for example, in an account, yes, at that moment you will give up this idea, uh-huh, but why will you give up, i don’t have an answer to this question, uh-huh, why? in moscow, well, because this status is , by and large, the standard of living, but where is the joy? well, the joy probably comes from the fact that i will look cool in the eyes of others, i don’t know, so i ask, where is the joy? well, precisely in this, but also in whose eyes, in whose eyes, well, specific eyes, i actually don’t see, that is, i don’t have people, but in front of

with which... specifically, i would like to show this something, it’s most likely something in the head, some kind of image, well, you can imagine the status, here’s the status, it exists, now you’ve achieved it, who around, who is looking at you, who understands that you have this status, the first person who comes to mind is my friend, with whom we implemented many business projects, with whom we had such, you know, competitive achievement of different goals, yes. okay, and how will you feel, now you already have this apartment in moscow, and he has it, judging by no to everything, well, in your picture, he can also buy it in 2 years , well, he doesn’t have it, but what a feeling, what a feeling, well, the feeling is really unpleasant, that is, a feeling of some kind of unpleasant superiority , what, what, as if i had proven that there i am better than this person, and why is it unpleasant to be better than him, well, because it’s unnatural, why is it unnatural,

no, to be? better than others, in principle, probably not very natural, but i would really like to, but i just need to understand why it is unnatural to be better than others, some there’s emptiness in my head, well, you’re clearly better than many people on earth today who don’t have money for clothes, there’s no money to get here, well, a lot of things, yes, if you think like that, then you’re clearly better than them, but at the same time you seem to be dealing with it calmly, today while we were driving here we walked past thousands of people whom you can officially consider yourself better than, but why, when we talk about a friend, does it seem as if it’s unnatural or this unpleasant feeling, well, how as if one cannot be better than others, or different in words, i would suggest that it wouldn’t actually make you better, as if they know, well, we’re talking about a friend now, as if he knows you in such a way that buying an apartment wouldn’t make you better, well, like

that: but what kind of person you really are, if only someone knew, it’s very similar to yours, well, this belief that you can’t stick your head out , you can’t be noticeable, you can’t be manifested, this is very present in my life, it’s always been like that, since childhood, but i don’t have it was, that's why i say, i'm a star, yes, there is such a thing, well look, i say, i'm a star. yes, it doesn’t matter, moreover, it’s not a fact, it’s not true, i’m just saying, i’m a star, and you’re not a star, this is our ordinary dialogue, yes, an ordinary dialogue, i don’t need proof of my stardom in this sense, but it’s important for me at this moment to declare and defend my right to call myself that, not the right in the sense of the fact, but the right simply because i said so, in front of someone, for example, of course, well, in the sense. stand yes, that is, you begin

to doubt it, you say, why is this a star? well i am a star, with whom you could not resist in this position, well, with your parents, of course, with your father, that is, i believe, with my position, that in childhood there was a strict authority, that is, the father is an authority in the sense of authoritarianism so aside, that is, the father is always right, but my opinion is not there, and you are one child? in the family, no, there is a brother who is older by a year and a half, well, it’s the same with him, well, that is , in fact, you are the youngest in the family, and the youngest in the family is worse than a dog, maybe, what about your attitude? now we had a good relationship in childhood, bad relationship, that is, we constantly argued, we had no mutual understanding, there was no common company, and i always strove to be in his company, and my parents always made

it so that my brother would go everywhere first, there in the same school, for example, i’m a year older than him at school, and then you seem to be walking along the beaten path, as if you’re always second, but there is. by the way, regarding the second, i even have this in my head, and it spilled over into competitions, so i remember this for sure, that it would be better for me to come second than first, that’s for i am very familiar in this sense, and the installation of a security belief that being second is kind of good, i was involved in wrestling as a child, for example, in wrestling, being third is better than second, because it means that you won the last fight for third place, and... second - that means you lost, i never managed to be first, well, it’s true, if we look at it now from a psychological point of view, then i remember how i got to this point, when i realized that well, to really be the first means to challenge yourself

a huge amount of attention, only later, as an adult and communicating with my friends , who trained with me then, but they became great athletes, we were talking once, they discovered for me... an unexpected truth for me, that it turns out that the champion of what whatever, the world, europe, there, a city, a country or the olympic games, he is a champion only while standing on the pedestal, as soon as he came down from the pedestal, after the award, he again became equal with everyone, but only now everyone wants to defeat him , but now also he knows that he was already this champion, this does not add joy to the athletes at all, believe me, in no way at all, because it means that he has to work even harder, because now he needs to prove, he must defend this title, confirm it constantly, to confirm, as it were, well, you are challenging the world boxing champion in some heavy weight, but he is already a world champion, it seems, but you have nothing to risk, but he is taking a risk, so he is

burdened with this title, and you are not , so you take any risk, but he can’t and yes psychologically, of course, for them it’s more difficult, the commander’s adjutant, yuri solomin, a man, a legend, a star of our cinema , artistic director of almost the most classic small theater in the country, i don’t consider myself a great artist, just an old one, one of the old artists small theater, he just said that he is not a great actor, he is a great russian actor , for the last few years he has hardly appeared on television, all these years we have been waiting for him for an interview, what a miracle we got, there is an invitation to the theater square, everything has been rebuilt , we agreed for about 30 minutes, but the people's artist did not let us go for 3 hours, the conversation turned out to be confessional, i have no enemies, i did no harm to anyone, the favorite of all women

of the soviet union, and such a person, very simple, sweet, charming, our exclusive, unique footage taken a few days before the emergency hospitalization of yuri salumin. exclusive with dmitry borisov premiere on saturday on the first. give him a brief description and professional qualities. smart, so, good reaction, speaks german . i was born in a ural village, i am from christian family, very arrogant.