[000:00:00;00] my productive work and at that moment i had to break off our relationship, and it seemed to me that i had dealt with it, but from time to time i return to this issue and i felt that i was needed after all, and you dealt with what, with the interruption of the relationship or it is precisely at the moment of separation, when the relationship is broken, it’s still some kind of loss, i couldn’t cope with this loss, i’m haunted by such a feeling of guilt, somewhere with regret, somewhere with pain, and so on at night you go to bed, you think, well, everything seems to be fine, but something is wrong, but tell me, do i understand correctly that a psychologist cannot practice in such a state, i am inclined not to practice in such a state, because when you are not in a resourceful state or are in some pain point, you will be in any case is it difficult to maintain this zero position in which you have to work with

the client, you mentioned? neutral position , they called it zero, this is called a neutral position, another interesting point, because the person himself, in the role of a psychologist , cannot assess how resourceful his condition, because he cannot look at himself from the outside, cannot look at himself in practice, this is precisely the task of a supervisor or a teaching personal therapist, to carry out this control, on time, and perhaps even predicting, showing a specialist... you you enter a non-resource state, perhaps what is happening now in your life will affect your work with clients. well then, maybe we’ll first talk about the situation with which alla came to us, and then i would be happy, if there is time left, to ask you about tom, this is how this supervision happens, what it is, reveal a little the secret of your behind the scenes, uh-huh,

dear specialists, allah, i hear a request, not primarily for supervision, but for educational personal therapy. unfortunately, often a side effect of receiving psychological education is precisely the interruption of relationships with the usual social circle. what is the training of a consulting psychologist or psychotherapist? this is a four-part model. it consists of four integral parts. the first is obtaining a theoretical education. our profession is no different in this. gain skills, knowledge, the second is practical experience, practical assignments, work in pairs, work with colleagues, the third integral part is work under supervision, when an experienced colleague, qualified as a supervisor, helps, as part of school supervision, to use methods correctly as part of training psychotherapy counseling in practice, and

here he just gives assessment, feedback, helps, says how more can be done better, further, when a colleague has already graduated and become an independent professional character, an independent professional unit, the supervisor helps solve pressing problems in practice, yes, clinical cases, yeah, also the fourth integral part is its own study, educational personal therapy, it may contain includes an analysis of personal stories, maybe even... some kind of clinical work, but first of all, educational personal therapy is aimed precisely at the professional personality of the specialist, in order for personal stories were worked out in such a way that they do not negatively affect the work with the client, including educational personal therapy that teaches one to feel oneself, to trust the professional community, to say in time: stop, i’m not in

the resource, i not in... a state in which i can benefit my clients, this is a four-part model, theory, practice, supervision and educational personal therapy, undoubtedly, in supervision, the supervisor can analyze cases, well, at the so-called third level, yes, at personal level of a specialist, usually, when an adult, i mean someone who has already completed their education, has entered their practice, has taken full responsibility for the quality of their work, or a psychotherapist turns to a supervisor, the supervisor asks him a question: at what level or levels will our work or analysis be carried out ? your case. the first level is all about the client, about his history, cause-and-effect relationships. the second level is the level of relationship, what happens in sessions between you as a psychologist and your client, as well as in parallel with the session and between sessions. and the third level is the personal level

of the specialist. personal level, how your personal history , your character, what is happening at this moment in your life , happened in your history, family stories, what is happening: with your ethnic group, what was in your education, all this can affect your work with a client, this is about the third level, about the personal level of a specialist, here the supervisor can show how what you are experiencing can affect your work with a client, but not necessarily, but if you have a need to change something, work through it, change your emotional state, improve relationships with your family, or not do this by making a conscious decision about separation. this is a request to a training personal therapist, just like a psychologist for psychologists. yes. ekaterina, what will happen if a psychologist comes to his client in such, as you say, a non-resourceful state. firstly, the work most likely will not be effective, and at best, in the worst

case, of course, an injury will occur. yes. first of all, as a consultant , the client can also be traumatized because at the moment, at the moment of being in a serious experience, in an altered emotional state. a psychologist can go beyond professional boundaries, what does this mean? well, for example, enter into an emotional state and react overly emotionally to what the client is telling, or for example, getting involved in his story, start giving him advice based on personal experience, which is absolutely forbidden to do, yes, as i understand as a psychologist, situations are different, imagine a young girl who just became a mother for the first time, and so... the circumstances that her husband left, she was left alone, a young mother, left alone, may be in such an altered state , not really understanding how to take care of

the baby, how to establish everyday life, in this case, of course, a psychologist can show such complicity and suggest where to go, this is a matter of information, yeah, well, of course, no one will teach you how to cook porridge, but inform you about what... social services are available , yes in our society, on what else can you pay attention to, of course, there are situations in which a psychologist can take on this function himself, but let’s talk about your story in more detail, since we are so lucky and you are here today with such a strong supervisor, lucky, really, let ’s start with that for a long time i really worked with my father’s question, but we have... a long, difficult relationship with him, such a very tyronical father was all my life, in general , when i grew up, yes, when i got married,

i worked on so that i can come to them guests, for example, and feel collected, not jittery every time , always come as if you were coming to your parents’ house, yes, and not like going to an exam, yes, more like going to an exam, i probably came every time. i had to get ready, to be honest, i’ve never been able to get into the car and come and say, hurray, great, here i am, no, every time i had to gather all my resources into a fist and conduct a meeting on such a positive feigned more , probably, probably this also influenced mine decision to end the relationship, because at some point very unpleasant intersections of my personal began to begin to advise me, not even advise , strongly recommend how to raise a child, how much money to give him for personal expenses, what car should i drive,

what kind of car should i drive? refuel, but can you describe some picture to us, so that we can simply understand, it’s fresh and a picture when a child had health problems, and we began to work on the fact that he went on a diet, naturally, with such diet. no cola, chips, anything else, yes, it’s simply absolutely forbidden, i asked my parents, if he sends them a request, send them 100-200 rubles for pocket money so that they don’t send it, or at least agree, because most likely he will go and buy something that is forbidden, and mom seemed to have gotten into the situation, and dad quietly sent him money, either somehow gave him cash, or gave it to him, and several times i pointed this out... i say, dad , well, it's harmful to health, it's dangerous to health, now, no need, this is business, now, uh-huh, yes, okay, i heard you, 2 days pass, again money falls on his card, again i see that the child comes there with cola, with something else, i call

, i say, dad, well, so and so, i understand everything, you want to pamper your grandson , but still, how old is your grandson, 12, yeah, he has his own card, yes, ah, you want to pamper, okay, but , but let’s make a distinction somehow. the erasure of authority took place in parallel , well, this is the opposition. yes, and i see that the child began to lie to me about this too, no one cares about me i didn’t give, i didn’t buy anything, in general , i started hiding cans of cola, somewhere under the pillows, so that god forbid, my mother wouldn’t see, in connection with this whole position, naturally i came to them, i say, so, the question is straightforward, either you don’t give any money at all, yes, or we stop interacting with you, we seem to have heard, but after 2 days the money in the account drops again. naturally, at that moment i said: that’s

enough, but if you don’t want to hear me, we ’ll end the interaction here, i warned him, yeah, i blocked him telephone, so that he does not have the opportunity to answer, because in such situations, when it is difficult for dad to defend his point of view, he begins to either press for pity, or enter this position of insult, and usually kilometers of text messages fly, to his grandson or to you, well yes, to me, but here you predicted just the story, that since you can’t write to me, you can write to your grandson, on the night when dad was, it was clearly visible from the messages, in another drunken intoxication, so he received a message with the content that mom will be always put pressure on you, she will never give you the opportunity to choose what you want, well, this is a position that i just kept as far away from my family as possible, and i really didn’t want to be in such

energies, wait, you said away from your family , that is, for you in itself, this situation, it is not new, you had something similar in your childhood, yes, well, my father controlled me all my life, even to the point that he kept track of which store, with what kind of friends i went with, that is, i had such, that i turned around when i was walking with friends, dad was standing around the corner, looking where we were, and if you broke dad’s rules, then what happened, it was very difficult, we had...’ well , it’s good if it’s just a showdown in a raised voice , and sometimes it came to fights and to packing things, and this was always through insults, through such severe insults, and at the same time my mother was so distant, that is, i was the only one in this defense all my life.

it will touch, either large or small, furniture, bat your eyelashes, pour out, if you want stay, stay just like that, i won’t forget you, never, here some snow woman melted, by the way, she melted, now i’m absolutely... i’ll come, i wonder what he came in today, fantastic, next level, on friday on

the first. this is a psychic podcast, my name is natalya loseveva and today we are talking about who a psychologist will help. alla, what request do you have for the supervisor, a request for me not to feel this guilt that burdens me for breaking off relations with my parents, i understand how... man, that this is necessary, and this is the healthiest decision in this situation, but i still feel guilty, because it’s hard for a child to survive this separation from his grandparents, but after all, he communicated with them for 12 years, and here suddenly not. and i myself, probably based on a social framework, need to communicate with my parents, it is precisely society that encourages me to experience this.

from this point, i want to feel more free in this, well, i made a decision, well done, keep it all right with you, well, this position that everything is fine with me order at this point, it is very difficult to maintain, allah, please tell me, what other love languages ​​besides sending money are present in your family and in the parental family and the interaction between the two families, i... in my family, i still try this through hugs, yes, through spending some personal time together, going to the park, going to the cinema there, if the son comes. with some kind of request, i always put things aside, listen to him, and, i try to understand what he says, why, well, even based on the fact that he came yesterday, he said, i’m very tired and don’t want to go to school tomorrow, we sat down, sorted it out, i’m really tired and i say, okay, stay, this didn’t happen in my family, that is, in 11 years i

’ve never missed school, under any circumstances, even sick, yeah, but based on the interaction with my parents’ family, well, in general it was like that, that is, if we, for example, went to their house, then i understood that i needed to take something with me, this is such an indicator that i paid attention to them, not that i arrived, but that i brought something, for example, i don’t know, a cake, some kind there's a gift for a holiday or something else, basically for the last 2-3 years we've only met on holidays, allah, what makes you believe that? guilt is unnatural in this situation, apparently that other people still have some kind of relationship with their parents, and you can always call mom, you can call dad there, and probably in my circle there are no people

who have interrupted relationship with my parents, apparently this affects me very much, well, plus, my husband too, he loved his mother, they had a warm relationship, your mother or his his mother, his own, and he always, as they say, strives for these child-parent relationships, so that they are always available. yeah, so what makes you believe that feeling guilty in the current situation is unnatural, as for me, it is very excessive, because sometimes i start to blame myself very much in the evenings. drive you into a state of almost such apathy, yes, when you don’t want to do anything, because this feeling of guilt, it just falls like a bag on your shoulders, that’s when you can’t do yourself raise, force to do something, here of course, it already becomes the feeling that you want to work on, this feeling

of apathy in the evenings, it came after you broke off the relationship, yes, the termination of the relationship, as i heard, did not take place only between you, but you... and broke off the child’s relationship with his grandparents, yes, yes, the husband also no longer communicates with your parents, the husband received several messages with insults from my father, he said, i don’t want to communicate with him anymore, what happened to you the reason for ending the relationship between the grandson and the grandparents, a message in the night from a drunken grandfather, and that under no circumstances should you trust your mother, and i ’m not sending you money just because she sends it to me. back, in general, well, there was an outright lie, yes, plus on top of everything this insult to me, humiliation of me as a mother, it was to this message that i already wrote from my phone, that at this point you and i disagree, and i forbid you interact with my child, without my

presence, and the father’s alcoholism, for how long is already passing, a long time ago, a very long time ago, it started after the death of his mother, when it was... about 25 years ago, probably, yeah, i was just entering college, how old is dad now, 61, it turns out, mom, when he died , when he was about 40 , probably, yeah, and the cause of his mother’s death was that she was in the hospital, she had diabetes, and when she was discharged from the hospital, actually, while packing her things, she simply fell and did not leave the hospital. yeah, that is, it was an unexpected death, were any mental features of dad noticed before, in fact, yes, with since childhood, i have observed this story of tyranny on his part, we had a lot of ugly situations, when they offered me to go to an orphanage, when they locked me in

the bathroom, and there, they taped my mouth so that i wouldn’t talk again, well, in general, there were a lot of difficult situations that i sorted out, in fact... this gave me this general picture that, in general, dad, if he hasn’t recovered at all before he’s sixty, then it’s unlikely that anything will happen to him at 60 , where is mom, no, mom has such energy component, i never felt it, i saw it at home, i knew that i had a mother, and she also taught at school, she was my class teacher, a mathematics teacher, in general, so comprehensive. yeah, and at the same time i didn’t feel like i had a mother, in the lessons there, i was the first one on whom everyone tested solutions to problems and who was crucified first. near the blackboard in front of the whole class, i will notice a parenthesis that this is probably a separate story, the trauma of the child’s mother is a teacher, yes, yes, every

time something happened between me and dad any conflicts, i didn’t even have any attempts to turn to my mother, because my mother was there for protection, for support, yes, because my mother was somewhere in the room at that moment, she was always so distant, or somewhere else in general went away to the side, that is, i basically never saw her, i understand correctly that interruption' father breaks off relations with those who disagree with him all his life, everyone who disagrees with him becomes enemies immediately at that very moment . alla, all your life you have endured, endured, done something to stay in a relationship with dad, what has changed now, what resource did you lack earlier to break off the relationship, but it has appeared now, can you do it? probably my husband, husband, yeah, yes, oddly enough, after the last marriage, yes, the drive

of a traditional relationship with my mother, and even with such primacy, communication with older relatives, you said that it was very important for the husband, his communication with his mother, yes, yes, and just when he appeared in our circle with his son, he began to carry this value, which is actually very cool. when parents warmly interact with their children there, yes, when it is not built on some kind of commodity-money relations, but when it’s just that you came and rejoice at me, so i’m glad that i’m here for you, he seemed to show you a completely different normality, and when i came home i saw that this was really the case, that he didn’t need me to come home, and even there i brought a bunch of packages, and prepared food for him, and also earned approval, and he simply accepted everything. what was happening to us at that moment. alla, i have to ask, your child is 12 years old, and

the husband you are talking about is the father of the child, no, okay, then this husband, when he appeared in your family system, literally in the year twenty-two we married him, yes, since the twentieth year, in fact, we have known each other, the father and the child participate in his life, to the extent that commodity-money relations are directly your scheme for life, say that you, for your part, are already talking about introducing new traditions of interaction with parents? and i came, i could just hug my mother there, yes, say, oh, how i missed you or how i love you, and when i left, we hugged there for a long time with dad and mom , on the one hand i felt this warmth, but on the other hand, now i left, they seemed to have forgotten that we had just hugged there or there we hugged there 2 days ago, and it went back to the same level of interaction as we usually interacted, alla, where would you like

to go in your relationship with your parental family, the future, describe such an ideal picture of the future, but probably in the warmth, yes, when in such unconditional love, when they don’t expect anything from me in return, but simply accept me as i am, that’s how it is with us now. what happens to my husband , they accept me well, they accept me badly, they also hear me, what makes you believe that your parents are capable of unconditional love in general? to be honest, i don’t believe anything, that’s why i ended the relationship, that is, you set yourself a goal that is unattainable, but it turns out, could this be the reason, your feelings, i think it can, yes, yeah, but what do you think? , what... interaction with your parent family is possible and it would be good enough for you and your son, well, maybe

about building some points, but how we make a schedule, for example, thanks to this schedule we all see the points, maybe it’s like such a contractual interaction, everything right, i want to give feedback, it seems that you want your parents to love you like... a little girl, but unfortunately, you are no longer a little girl, i would even say fortunately, that’s why your parents probably love you like that as best they can they don’t yet have new skills, new understandings about how they can generally show their love and be close to an adult twelve-year-old boy, an adult daughter, a new husband, they don’t have this understanding, they do as best they can, send money , yes, or they leak negativity for exactly this and equal intimacy, recognition, love and complicity, this is good enough for

them, it’s interesting that you decided to break off contact, right? i hear what you interpret as such an adult, independent, healthy decision, dad she simply went into another room, which was not visible at all all her life, yes, but this evening apathy perhaps suggests that, after all, the decision you made is not entirely suitable for you, in question, among other things, perhaps the feeling of guilt is due to the fact that you really decided on your son, grandparents, and he is 12 years old, they have their own relationships, they are important, significant figures. his life, now another significant figure has come into his life, which is why, yes, the boy needs to somehow adapt to the new space, and here rely on familiar relatives would also be good, support for him , do what is best and most comfortable for you, the decision you made to simply cut off contact,

perhaps this is not the optimal decision, yeah, when we... become adults children of their parents, and especially professionals, perhaps this is precisely our task to try to teach our two families to communicate and be together in a way that will be comfortable for everyone, parents simply may not know how you can do it differently, they know how to please a five-year-old child by buying chips, but how to please a forty-year-old woman whom they love, and perhaps want to communicate with. dad is broadcasting that he wants to communicate, he is trying, yes, this is undoubtedly an important thing, well, natalya, of course, a very valuable comment on your part, that most likely such an alcoholic debut in adulthood indicates that dad has already had mental characteristics before this, now he is at an age at which they will

only get worse, isolating his grandson from perhaps a mentally ill grandfather, this is... one thing, yes, and also you, well , pay attention to where the value of this contact is for you, for the child, what and why there was a connection, yes, what was so valuable that this one gave a male figure for a boy, think again whether you even have the right to make a decision and cut off this male connection, yes, especially since husbands have changed, the boy probably has a need to remain in good contact. this is a psychic podcast, my name is natalia loseveva and today we are talking about who will help the psychologist? you said that when you are in personal contact with your parents, when you have the opportunity to hug, to be together, everything is quite good, so it is possible to sort things out over the phone, and even more so by correspondence with your parents, this is the space in which you are

definitely quarrel and end the relationship. here i’ll probably correct it a little, yes, because those moments when we hugged are quite rare and i just found a moment when they were in a more collected state, but if it’s so environmentally friendly a showdown, and when we tried to discuss something, this particular feature of my father’s psyche, it just blossomed and smelled, because the last conflict we had literally arose when i was there 35-34. i came to talk about how i feel, yes, what kind of work i now see for myself and what kind of family i now see for myself and how it all should be in my mind. at that moment we were sitting drinking tea at the table, dad just exploded in moment, it all ended in a very strong fight, white lips,

such eyes, and to be honest, i just i was scared for my life, god, so this is... such a moment that, well , we need completely different specialists in this situation, i want to point out that my mother died of diabetes, these are white lips outbursts of anger, it looks like the fact that dad may also have diabetes mellitus, and completely different specialists are needed , i didn’t think in this direction, by the way, you expect him to be an adult dad like he was in your childhood, but what appears before us is, well quite unhealthy a grown man who... may need help. yes. ekaterina, if alla, being in such a state of these acute experiences, at the moment of conflict with dad there a day, two days after that, experiencing resentment, and the desire to break off this relationship, experiencing an acute feeling of guilt due to the desire to break off the relationship forever, met with a client. what kind of injury could there be,

what kind of injury could she get? how serious is all this? of course, being in a state of acute emotions, well, you have an open emotional wound, and that’s all, what can remind, and even does not concern personal history at all, can become that. which will make the client experience a lot; it would aggravate the experiences that alla would experience, most likely yes, because at that moment, everything was triggered, even there was an incorrectly served cup of coffee, of course, that’s why it is important for a psychologist not to be isolated, but to be part professional space, because perhaps, being in this state, you would also like to hide in client work, so as not to think for at least an hour, in your conflict in the family, which would absolutely not be done, just at this moment , categorically or not, this is exactly what your supervisor should have answers to, a person who knows you in good condition,

who can definitely show: look, you like this now, look how you react, please, take a break and don’t work with clients, because psychologists, psychotherapists, we are people too, our relatives die, unfortunately, things happen in our world that touch us, so always be in the best shape, and never don’t worry, it’s impossible, yeah, so we need another person, a colleague who, from the outside, knowing us, can give an assessment to say, slow down, not now, take a break, take a break, yeah, it’s better if this supervisor is a constant in the life of a psychologist, that is, he knows him for a long time understands, tell me, this is what... a psychologist has more opportunities to realize himself in the profession, the one whose childhood and youth were more or less prosperous, or the one whose childhood, such as alla

was also accompanied by some injuries, some kind of shocks, that is, he himself went through, he ate the salt path with himself, he hardened himself and became a good psychologist, or not, what you are talking about is personal experience, a psychologist is a professional with a high level of training, if if we were talking about the value of human experience in solving a problem, then we would go not to psychologists, but to the grandmothers who sit in front of the entrance, because they definitely have a lot of experience, yes, but we don’t do this because that psychologists and psychotherapists are professionals and work they are professional tools, well , friends, psychologists are people too, we congratulate all psychologists on the holiday they celebrate on november 22, we wish them patience, simple human joy and a good supervisor nearby. this was a psychic podcast, today as an expert we had

ekaterina makarova, a psychotherapist, supervisor of our heroine, psychologist, alla irmoshkina. hello everyone, this is a free program podcast, i’m maxim tronkov and today i’m having the most honest conversation, honest, because you simply can’t lie to a coach, my guest honored masters of sports, evgenia tarasova and vladimir morozov, hello guys, hello , hello, i'm glad you finally got to me, i've been planning this conversation for a long time, you know this, but you were busy, i entered the international olympics. university, in sports management, i started studying in september, and who are you going to manage when you graduate, well, ideally the school where fedya works, oh, not bad,

that is, you want to dominate your husband, be his boss, well i think we ’ll come to an agreement, but what did vladimir do, or maybe he will answer us himself, i’m restoring at the university after, academician after all those times i told you, you fool, finish the university, you finally decided, well, yes, i listened, in fact, vova already has two higher educations, the university that i told him to graduate from was moscow state university, also for management, and vova abandoned it while he was preparing for the olympic games, this will be his third education, so smart guy, you have become what we saw you as many, many critics in figure skating, not critics, but one man, this is my father, that is - as a child he had a dream of making an izmehkeist, but somehow it turned out that he went a little in the wrong direction in childhood, but that was, i really, why am i talking about critics,

because i i also always said that damn it, why don’t you play hockey, and many people actually said that vovka is a hockey player, this is a hockey player who skates in figure skating, because you are a big, strong kasparaitis, so straight red , no, well, i was actually introduced to sports late at the age of 6 and already in a hockey school, a hockey group at that age they didn’t take people who didn’t know how to stand on skates or skate at all , that is, it was csk, at the age of 6 we took me to... a skating rink and well, the coach said that no one won’t bother with you, i need to learn how to skate, so they took me to the nearest section, probably , but there was a health group, that’s how it was in truth, three times a week there was figure skating for 45 minutes at 6:30 in the morning before school, from then on since then, vova really likes to get up early, and in principle, to get up

in general, and i started studying, i liked it and somehow it turned out that i said that i wanted to stay, for the first years i didn’t learn any elements there, it was fun there, we played, threw ice cubes, threw cubes, all sorts of things they were doing bullshit on the ice, well, they were just having a fun time, probably that was the lure, that it was all fun, well, yes, everything seemed so rosy, like zhenya, they sent you to hockey too, no, they didn’t try to send me to hockey, four . year my mother brought us to the skating rink with sister, we had a rocket stadium next to our house, too, so that we wouldn’t sit at home , so that we would do something, so they sent us to figure skating, as my mother says, that we put on skates for you together and lera, first of all , was afraid and didn’t wanted, she didn’t succeed, but you say she immediately ran, didn’t go, but they put you on flight, you say she ran on skates, few people know, but you also took part in... three juniors in

singles in singles yes from kazan for me and for it was very cool cool and do you remember the moment when you met each other for the first time, you didn’t see each other, you didn’t pair up, but the first such meeting was some kind of communication, and of course it was at our skating rink, inspired by someone you know, and zhenya came from kazan, or rather , egor sebedin brought her - this is the first partner in pair skating evgeya tarasova, now working as a coach at that very skating rink, yeah, 14 moved to moscow, respectively, in this group, how wait, this moment, you, that is, a successful single skater who is already performing in the national team, and you are going to pairs into a new look for myself, but because i really wanted it, i watched pair skating, i really liked it, i told the coaches that i wanted to join pairs, they were like, let you wait there for another year, wait a year, they didn’t want to let you in, didn’t you wanted to, no?

then we already said, let us find you a good coach, find a partner, then we will let you go with peace of mind, here you come to moscow with your eyes wide open, go to the skating rink, and there is vova and you think, ugh, you’re not that - then i took it, i chose the wrong one, we are second season we skated together with egor, prepared for the competition, for the first time then we qualified for the final of the russian cup, came to the cup, took third place there, but during the course of this season, that is, egor already had this, either a show, or continue skate, because he’s 7 years older than me, he’s already like, back and forth, let’s go to the show, let’s go to the show, i say, i don’t want to go to the show, that’s definitely 100%, yes, at some point came up to me, staz morozov asked, will you, right in the forehead, came up like that, asked, will you be with the redhead ride, i just stand at him, i look, i will,

i’m very rich. experience as an athlete, try many coaches, and you almost have even richer this experience, because you skated in different countries, with different specialists, absorbed completely different, sometimes contradictory information, tell us a little about this path, about those specialists, maybe someone who especially helped you, because from robin shelkov to eteriadze, for me it’s generally like, that is, if i skated with pair coaches in russia, this is understandable, but robin shelkov and etheritby. for me, there are actually two different planets. listen, this thought came to mind that throughout our entire career , we are like such an experimental couple, that is, i skated with them mikhailovno even before your arrival, savchenko, with whom she became a five-time world champion and a two-time olympic bronze medalist . and you also forgot to add that this was your most important rival, you can add this, and, of course, robin was also my most

sworn rival since tatiana. it's hot then after robin, we changed the coach there again, we already started working directly with you, uh, then we had marina, and at the end there was the iteri group, here beridze, that is, we just had a series of such experiments throughout our career, wait, why the experiment , because stas is like a person who has just started training, yes, that is why. what will he succeed, then, what is the next experiment, robin too, robin too, also yes, another foreign specialist came to russia, how will he work with the russians, then then with you. then with you too, then with me, that is, you all took on some of these beginners, amateurs, then with me, then with a dance coach, yes, then with a singles skating coach, well, yes, an interesting path,

but i want more to note that since we trained all the time in moscow, in moscow as such, there was no pair skating school at the time when i was still young. so strong, that is, all the pair events were there, either in st. petersburg or in perm, and as a result of all these ups and downs with coaches and so on, the first olympics 2018, you are on the team and your first, the medal is a team medal , tell us a little about participation in the team tournament silver of the olympic games peinchan 2018, well, these two olympics were radically different in... mood, impressions and emotions, in the eighteenth year , i really wanted to perform, i was going, let’s say, to a holiday, that is, when we stopped in the village, this atmosphere itself, these competitions themselves,

just fell into my soul so much and i really liked it so much from the first minutes, when we are just hotels were checked in, it was so unusual to see other sports there. uh, so, when all the species, all the winter sports are united under one roof, let’s say, and of course , we were preparing for the competition with a fighting spirit, but that’s it, you were going for gold, let’s not get so straight up uh romance here, you came there as leaders in pair skating, leaders of the national team, that is, you were the first pair, winners of the grand prix final, you were two-time european champions, yeah, and as a warm-up for the team... the tournament, of course, is mine here on the podcast there were already a lot of athletes-coaches, and one of them was mishka koda, who unwittingly became the anti-hero of this situation, having unsuccessfully performed in the short

program, and he told me in the podcast that the only ones who supported him from the entire team of guys were it was you and dima solovyov, well, yes, but what could we do, we lived , first of all, the three of us in a hellish apartment, but it is clear that after such a speech, well , the person is very worried and he should be at least just as worried as he was, tell me what you saw, maybe from the inside, well, what can be said, well, when he arrived, he simply had no face , he was all gray, it felt like there was no face, and well, it was clear that he was directly pinched, shackled, well, i think so, on ... we still need to support the guy and , first of all, skate him in the free program again, if he still goes to the free program with such emotions, then what ’s worse, maybe, well, no, they just absolutely supported him as a human being and said, well, get ready at random, what and what

to say to an athlete in such a situation, what did you tell him, he imagines talking with a person who is the leader of the team and is going for