tv PODKAST 1TV November 24, 2023 2:00am-2:45am MSK
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[000:00:00;00] i don’t remember, i don’t remember, it means it’s as if this is a reference that passes through life all the time, uh, probably, i realized this right 100%, and a year ago, a little less than a year ago, when i, uh, well, was also on at a doctor’s appointment, she asked me, well, about family matters, so i said, well, dad loves me so much, he does, but we don’t see each other, no matter how he doesn’t call me, but i know that he... ... loves me more than anyone, she looks at me like that and says: well, what makes you think that he loves you at all? and i look at her and think, damn, really, that was probably the moment when i kind of accepted it, well, i heard, but probably didn’t accept it, that’s the point, ah, we heard, perhaps
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we were faced with this reality, perhaps, well there are some, let’s say, moments that show that, well, my dad and mom love me, well, they just love me in their own way, of course, in their own way, of course, they love me, but not at all the way you wanted well, these are my problems, of course, we ’ll deal with them now, but look, there’s an important the point is that, in general, 21 years could already be lived without their love, but what doesn’t allow us to recognize this as a fact and essentially fly out of this nest? well, until you asked, i was actually sure that well, as if i had accepted this moment a long time ago, well, you live your reaction, yes, why i assumed that perhaps this would be an unexpected question for you, i don’t know, well, i started thinking about this quite early, in general it seems to me that i somehow stopped counting on my parents a long time ago, in general i stopped expecting from them
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some kind of support, some kind of love and well, it’s like there’s no such thing that i constantly think about it, that i constantly miss it, no, it’s always not, but just 21 years old - this would seem to be the period when you would already to fledge, and to break away from it all, but there is as if there is a part of you that leaves you all the time in this nest, waiting for the fact that they should come to their senses and finally appear in your life, but it seems to me, well, unlikely will they do it, i assure you, they won’t, well, yes, they are 21 years old in general they didn’t really do this, they won’t do something now , they just don’t know how, they just don’t know how, that is, you’re right, they love as they consider possible and as they consider correct, at some point, when they got divorced, they might not have cared about you at all, most likely, this feeling of loneliness , the feeling of deepest dissatisfaction, it is precisely this that gives birth to that very depression, so if you and i try to understand the
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etymology of the word, then you you understand, yes, that depression is suppression, that is, there is the word press, yes, accordingly, it depresses, it puts pressure, but here it is very important what you suppress inside, because if we are not talking about medical depression, i assume that if you had medical, clinical indications for that, to call it clinical depression, you would be admitted to at least a neurosis clinic, so i suspect that it is what the doctor called severe depression. well, we can, let’s chalk it up to the fact that it’s some kind of psychological depression, some kind of depressive disorder, yeah, yeah, then we can talk i don’t know that you are suppressing something inside yourself, this is what anya is and what feelings, what you are suppressing inside there in general, but well , nothing will happen if suddenly from tomorrow you wake up as an absolutely happy person, what will change , what will collapse, well, i probably won’t go to work,
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yeah, but because? i like your work, yes, yeah, the young man will stay, yes, yes, yeah, he, in fact, only he will stay, and i would completely cross out the rest, but what about mom, what would you do, ideally i would probably do it altogether with i didn’t communicate with her, well, then it turns out that you suppress this feeling, the feeling in which you turn around , leave, crossing out, as you say, all of them, that is, you suppress that same anya who may not go to the party tomorrow. .. to stop communicating with your loved ones, everything that he does, i don’t know, there to enjoy the company of his young man, well, there are some external ones about 100% there, 100% there, but these external circumstances, they really can appear the problem is to realize it, but you decided to suppress it yourself, well, as if if you don’t suppress this, it will become even worse because, well, just imagine, i would like to kill tatyana now, but it’s quite possible to imagine,
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shall we continue? this is reality, yes, but at the same time, i have a desire to kill her , one option is the feeling that i experience at this moment, and the other option is that i am sitting suppressing this feeling, then well, now at least i... . would look inadequate, i would have no interest in your conversation, because everything i did, i would sit, respectively, and suppress this feeling in myself, at the end of the program, i would definitely have led myself to depression, because then you would suppress this layer of nothing, what you call, i don’t feel anything, there’s nothing, this is the same state that is above this press, and below press your desire to take a sharp action, the desire to leave, pull away, push away, it’s just still within the framework of some everyday circumstances, yes, i can’t do it as abruptly as i would like, but why, what are your everyday
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circumstances? well, let's say yes, there to to move out and somehow separate as much as possible from your parents, well, you need a little more capital , well, it’s elementary, yes, what prevents you from earning this capital, but i still don’t understand why capital is needed? to move away from your parents, well, rent an apartment there, well, okay, you can rent a room, you can live in a hostel, well , there are actually options, and it often seems that they are too expensive, but this is not always the case, i don’t know , how do your pictures of the world work, because well, there i lived in a dormitory from the age of 17, this is also possible, you can go to college on a budget with a hostel, even this is possible at 21 and even later, that is, there are options. but you seem to see only one picture , that you are moving out of your mother’s house into a rented apartment , now, as far as i know, it is very popular to rent an apartment for three, for four, share, as it is now, that is, it is also
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possible, there are a huge number of accounts, or as they are now called public pages, where people offer this, this is also possible, it won’t be quite familiar, though, well, yes, maximum and it doesn’t require that much money at all. well, essentially, yes, it’s just that then you seem to leave there, leaving everything as it is, nothing will change there, this is the part that expects that something will change, so it depresses your responsibility and essentially your desire, it’s just so strange, well, as if it had been clear for a very long time that nothing would change, it never will, this does not mean at all that our offended part will not expect that it should change. you know, children often have such thoughts, i’m going to die and you’re all going to cry, even it’s possible that it will change, it’s more likely to change, if you don’t wait, it’s like i’m not waiting, well, consciously, at least you’re not waiting consciously, of course,
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you’re an adult man, this is the podcast triggers with you its host, psychologist tatyana krasnovskaya, psychotherapist sergei nasebyan, and we are talking with anya about how to overcome depression at 21? who do you work for? secretary, let's just say, okay, you work as a secretary, it's unlikely that this is your dream job, judging by the way you said it, but who would you be wanted to work? i’m studying to be a psychologist, oh, i shouldn’t say that, i should say, i’m studying to become a psychologist, yeah, this is your first higher education, yes, yes, and you should be promoted to become a psychologist, well, what year, the third, but that’s how it is the same as in journalism, in general, depression is normal... the state of the third year of the faculty of journalism and the third year of the faculty of psychology, well, if he is at this age, because you process so much information, depressive literature, which cannot help but plunge you in this state, in general, if
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read psychological literature, it is easy to come to the conclusion that life is a complete pain, just like classical literature, so good, you would like to work as a psychologist, now you are still working. secretary, would like to work as a psychologist, judging by everyone, while you cannot work as a psychologist, of course, yeah, you are part-time, part-time, part-time, part-time, that is, in general, you have time for work, yes, why don’t you work, well, in another field, i don’t know, now there are a huge number of options, there is a very long the story of why i even work at this job and again it has everything to do with my mother, as i understand it, but if you say that you don’t care what the story is, you even go to work because your mother said so. obviously, you can definitely change your job, and judging by the way you say, what you say, your salary is not such that you would hold on to this place, you love this job very much, because it’s also because it’s your mother’s protection, yeah, salary, there is
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not one that you hold on to, well , it’s obvious that, well, suppose you earn x rub, yes, exactly the same ruble earned elsewhere will bring you more pleasure than here, this is the first thing, you need to figure it out, i thought about it a lot, last year, i practically quit, but in general something went wrong not like that, i was very scared, of course. this is normal, well, some kind of unknown, it’s very scary, and it seems logical that you need to take this step, because nothing will change in itself, but somehow there’s a lot of fear, yeah, but i understand correctly what a job in this company or wherever you are you work, as if some kind of condition of your mother, that in this case she pays for your education, no, i pay for the education myself, that is, you pay yourself, i generally pay for everything myself, and then why do you work there, for what, well because again.
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she made a lot of efforts, let’s say, to put me in this job, and if i plan to quit with her, it means that i need to quickly pack my things and move out, you’ll probably have to do this, because it’s obvious that after this program, your employer will look at it, and mom too, and mom too, it’s unlikely that you will stay to work there, but with everything in this place where you work, it’s also impossible to make a career? well, there is no psychologist, no, well, not necessarily a psychologist, you can become a deputy director there, for example, and gradually studying psychology, as if at some point the passion with which i came there, because before that i worked there in public catering , there in sales, let’s call it that, and naturally, there was another fuse, but here i kind of sat down, for a few months i
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kind of found myself sitting here. very comfortable, of course, especially in a depressed state, but then this state didn’t even exist yet, it’s slowly, little by little, like mud, everything is very clear and depressive at home, at work everything has become very clear and depressive, well, look, you are slowly, it’s as if you’re slowly pulling this mud over yourself, and your young man, how your relationship with him is going, is generally wonderful, everything is fine, well - support, just - also because he ’s studying, yes, there’s no... it's super profitable work, there’s no opportunity to take it, give it all up and suddenly move in together, i understand, yeah, that’s it, but so , this is probably the only area that still makes me happy, then you definitely don’t need to take antidepressants, because it will go out, so i’m i don’t want to, does your depression somehow leave an imprint on your relationship with yours? a person, but very often
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there is a fear that if i feel bad, there will always be a person with whom it is good and easy, then what do you do when such a thought appears? nothing, usually i provoke some kind of litter, litter, of course, of course, that’s it, well, that is, you’re slowly destroying your relationship with her, yes, yes, great, you’re great, you’re coping on all fronts. yes, look, anya, in order to grab the next branch, you need to let go of this one, in order to open another door, you need to close this one, however you like, with any metaphor, yes, but you will have to, as it were, leave, that’s all the place in which you are, it seems to be squeezing you out, it’s the same thing when it’s time for a child to be born, he is faced with the fact that the entire body of the mother, which before that moment was his shell, carrier, feeder, there, i don’t know, love.
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yes, suddenly at one fine moment it begins to be rejected, and this is the most severe trauma for the one who is about to be born, and the child at this moment goes through the most difficult paths, the most difficult tests, we will never have to go through anything more difficult in life if you don’t believe in a subsequent life after death, and the child goes through this, that is, nature has laid down that he is able to survive this, emotionally, mentally, but the child is born in shock, yes, because only shock but allows him to do this, you will do exactly the same thing, if you are kicked out now from all these circumstances, you will be fired from work after our program, your mother will kick you out and you will find yourself with a knapsack, on the street near the kazansky station, where you will need to spend one or two nights, at least in order to gather your thoughts there, yes , then you will then look back at the pinnacle of success and say, lord, how did i live through it, like any person who achieves success, but it’s just that there you are a child who doesn’t knows what he needs it's time to be born.
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here now, you see, it’s like you’re pupating now, yes, but if you, you know, like, what, a caterpillar, it begins to pupate, yeah, for a caterpillar, pupation is death, not a single caterpillar is in i know that she will be born as a butterfly, this is a full-fledged living organism that consciously goes to this death for subsequent metamorphosis, metamorphosis is the transformation of one thing into another. if in principle you see any anya who is capable of being happy, why did i say what will happen if you are tomorrow happy, yes, because if there is any anya at all, at least in fantasy, who is capable of this happiness, then in order for this to happen there, she must, how to say, pupate, this is a caterpillar, you know, this moment, it now it is coming, but rebirth will not happen, metamorphosis will not happen if you don’t take this step, this step towards growing up and 21 years old is exactly that
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age, i understand, but the feeling is just like at some point, if earlier, i understood that i was real. well, well, it seems like i can do something, otherwise there is now a feeling that i can’t do anything at all, that i don’t represent anything at all, and well, in general, i’m sitting here, no one can do anything at all, and where will i go, and what will i do, anyway, you live with the feeling, that no one needs you, and no one will get you out of this depression, no one will come for you and save you. you can stay there , you know how it will end, how you will feel, slowly, slowly, sergey just painted a picture of how everything will gradually begin to die away, you can stay there, yes, i understand, but you can take a risk, but look, is it even possible
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to have a conversation between three people with mom and dad, no, it’s simply impossible , absolutely impossible, they don’t communicate between, they don’t communicate, yeah, it’s possible to have a conversation between you and your mom, yours with dad separately? where you would be able to convey to them to describe your condition to them is also impossible, they won’t hear, they won’t hear, they don’t understand , they don’t need it, they won’t agree to support you, for example, for a year so that you live , you are sure, you are sure, why are you so i’m sure, well, some life situations show that you should n’t count on them, there are some people in your life, maybe neighbors, maybe some of your... acquaintances, who need help more than you, one friend, old, perhaps old in the sense of elderly, or old in the sense of, you’ve known her for a long time, well, i mean, i ’ve known her for a long time, yeah, what kind of help does she need in your opinion, psychological, great, well, where you live, there live some women, grandmothers, old people,
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grandfathers who look at least lonely, i don’t even know, i don’t pay attention, but you try to pay attention , when you go to... work from work, yes, look, maybe you will see around you several people who need help more than you, depression it’s also dangerous because at this moment your ego very much captures and keeps attention on itself , but i’m telling you, as future colleagues, yeah, one of the elements through which we can get out of this depression, and so that we understand, hippocrates treated depression warm enemas, that is, well, to make it clear how they treated this before, yes, where did your parents get such a generational attitude that this is all nonsense and fiction, so one of the elements that will be very useful to you now is to turn your attention to see people, who need help more than you need, because if we look now, well, you see what the situation is around, how many people
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need help today, because they were left homeless, without loved ones, without relatives there, and so on further, yes, if you see at this moment, that they need help, and you... in fact, with a carton of milk you can change a lot, just in the evening bringing a carton of milk to one old woman , a loaf of bread, a kilogram of potatoes, no matter what , yes, then through this you will sort of find that same thread for yourself , through which you will begin to climb out, because today it seems to us , when we fall into this depression, that i have problems, but from the point of view of a huge number of people, you are mad fat, as you understand, you have a job. which is a dream job for someone, you have blood, which for someone is a dream home, yes, you have a mother, but for those who suddenly no longer have her, this is a bigger problem than the one you have, you have a young man, you are studying, you understand, but i absolutely i agree, i agree with you that when we enter, we enter this depressive state, yes, then we will look at everything
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that we look at, we will see it in a depressive light, and it always helps a lot to get through this, through helping other people , try it, see, it won’t cost you much, but you will gain meaning, because again, from the point of view of humanistic psychology, which you will go through, you will see that semantic crises , yes, that is, with losses of meaning, they just introduce us into a state of depression and where the personality begins fall asleep, you need to wake up, and waking up requires new meanings, find people who need help more than you, it may seem that this is some kind of devaluation of history, in no case, we understand, that it's really hard, it's really hard to live in this a feeling of loneliness, a feeling of lack of need. but this idea, give back what you came for, this is exactly
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about the exit towards which it is worth digging, this is the podcast triggers with you, we, its host, tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist, psychotherapist, sergey nasebyan, psychologists, psychotherapist, and we are talking with anya about depression and how to overcome it, you know, i once gave my daughter my opinion, the most valuable advice that she took advantage of, i told her that if you dream about something, but for some reason it seems to you, that you can't have this dream to realize it, well, due to the lack of resources, yes , then always find it where others are realizing this dream, so if you have a dream, whatever it is, maybe to become a psychologist, maybe something else, yes, try as much as possible get closer to the place where other people are implementing it, yeah, and be useful to these people. you will learn a lot, at least it definitely helped her, i’m sure it will help you too, and it once helped me, to find that very job
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surrounded by, to be around, to bring, i don’t know, tea, relatively speaking, but to be where people realize this, yes, i understood what a dream or the life of your dreams generally looks like, well, i’m a cool psychologist, so, cool is like a sought-after, good specialist, yeah, with a lot of knowledge. well, this will come with age, i beg you, well, i’m looking forward to it so much, yeah, you have to be there by fifty dollars, so well, either a house or an apartment, yeah, dog, yeah, husband, yeah, that’s it, well , well, like, ah, freedom, freedom in some actions, freedom in self-expression, and you work in your specialty, you are a psychologist, yes, yes, what does your work look like?
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you conduct receptions, groups, trainings, yes i, i conduct receptions, sometimes trainings, yeah , and i have some super cool cozy office, and i conduct mostly face-to-face, yeah, sessions, they show you on tv, yes, of course , so, i also charge a lot of money for this, when you are shown on tv, what are you talking about? this is about how to get out of depression, great, why not, great idea on how to get out of depression, start today, start keeping a diary , write down life hacks, like how you how it works for you, where there are failures, yes, if you feel, relatively speaking, like such a cool psychologist who helps people get out of depression, then how can you help them if you yourself would not have entered into this depression, so you consciously entered into it, right? your task is to consciously get out of it, it’s like going into a dark room, you know, if we had more time, if we had more of a psychoanalytic session, then
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of course i would suggest you go through the womb of your mother, yes, which you reject, well , you will sort it out in psychoanalytic sessions, when you go to a psychoanalyst, this is also part of the work, but if we are talking , for example, about getting out of depression, then this is what i told you, these will be just good steps for you now, then you can say that it is you yourself came up with it, don’t link to me and take it out. people with depression, but you will see, because it has worked for many years, it has worked for millennia, when there was no such thing as depression, and when you write a book, you are on the first page, the title page, i think you will write, that i really understood why i had that depression, i hope so, so you can start this book right today, you can write this first page right today, ask yourself this question, why, why did i need this depression? if you see how many people you end up helping, that people will be there , i don’t know, to republish your book, in order to cope with this depression, you have
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depression as a special kind that allows you to write a book, like this well, the truth is that everything worked out, look, firstly, and i definitely want to recommend one book to you, although in theory you should have already come across it, this is victor frankol, yes , a concentration camp psychologist, tell life yes yes, i heard it, but read it, the second book, which will be interesting to you as a specialist, this is byron katie, work, that’s what work is called, and this is just a woman who discovered herself, not being a psychologist yet, found herself on the floor of a clinic with a depressive disorder, when everyone else had already turned away from her, they could no longer live with her , this book is about the way she came out of that depression, yeah, okay, thank you. tell me, what are you leaving with? with motivation, with some kind of passion,
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to start changing something, why, in order to be happy, then let’s do it anyway. let’s sum it up again, so to speak, don’t change anything, look around and see who around you can help more than you, the first thing you need to do is take the focus of your attention away from yourself, start serving people with small actions, small things, and you will be amazed how much you can do, well, yes, even if you are a believer, for example, you can just go to church every saturday to pray for other people and this will also be a lot for you, it will bring meaning, that now you are 21 years old, you are like, look, there is no meaning, but there is none , if you don’t create it , good, and write down these steps, really start doing it, this is very useful advice, okay, yes , what you feel now, i can’t describe yet, as it’s somehow ambiguous, franz
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sagan has this beautiful work, vague smile. i think it's very it looks like, yes, yes, something from this series, thank you, thank you, well , it was trigger’s podcast and we were with you, its host , psychologist and psychotherapist tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist and psychotherapist sergey nasibyan, our guests there was anya, a young, beautiful girl with whom we talked about depression. hello, i am pilot cosmonaut anton shkaplerov, this is a space stories podcast, today my guest is darya chudnaya, deputy general director of a private russian space company, journalist. dasha, hello, hello anton
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nikolaevich. you graduated from the faculty of journalism, as far as i understand, it had nothing to do with astronautics, but somehow miraculously you began to work in the space industry, tell us about your first contact with space, it seems to me that the key word here is miraculously, because i never planned and didn’t want to connect my life with astronautics and aviation, i didn’t think about it, i’ll explain why i didn’t want to say, because my dad has worked in the aviation field all his life, and my grandfather mine, he was a pilot, so i can say that i can probably say that i come from such an aviation dynasty and naturally, when i graduated from school, the first thing my parents did was ask if i wanted to try to enroll in mine, but something i was, moscow aviation institute, moscow aviation institute, yes, but there was something in me, apparently different, it seemed to me that i was a more humanitarian person, that i was a more creative person, and i decided to go to the faculty of journalism
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of the russian state university for the humanities university, which i graduated from, probably about eight years after i graduated from the university, i miraculously ended up in the cosmonautics museum, but before we talk about the cosmonautics museum, i will take a step back and tell you about what happened to me happened when i was 10-11 years old, because my first contact with space, if we talk about it, it happened exactly at that age. at that time i lived in hanoi, in vietnam, my dad worked there, and on duty he just met all the important guests who flew into the city of hanoi, and one day valentina vladimirovna tereshkova flew to hanoi, my dad told me that an astronaut was arriving, the first woman, i already knew this, i naturally really wanted to meet her, and i don’t remember my the first feeling from our meeting, but i remember something else, i remember that she then took the postcard and signed it for me, my dad gave me this postcard, i looked and
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it was written there, and... to the giver of all the best, valentina vladimirovna tereshkova and i remember, then it gave me such an incredible wave of warmth, because a lot of people came, they left a lot of autographs, everyone wrote very different things, just a month before another very famous person came there, who wrote to me: dasha, listen to dad , i always wash the dishes, and i was upset, but here there was some very warm, some very... human attitude, this was my first contact with space, then we very quickly move into 2014 when i am invited to a leadership position press service at the moscow museum of cosmonautics, and if you know, then in 1914 a new director came to the museum and they were recruiting a new team, and together with this new team i also came to the museum
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, a completely different life began, which i now now i can already say that i’ve been working in space for 10 years, i have absolutely this feeling, because i got this involvement in an absolutely incredible field that charges me so much that i can talk about it endlessly , and thanks to what the museum gave me, thanks to that experience, thanks to those acquaintances, thanks to those meetings that i had in the museum, i really, it seems to me, have succeeded both in many ways as a person and in many ways as a professional in this field. what was the museum like when you came to work? in 2014, the museum was very different from the museum that we see it now, i was probably very different, because i, like many people, had the feeling that the museum was something frozen, that there was nothing in the museum not it happens that a museum is necessarily about some kind of exhibits, and behind which it is often not always clear what stands, and especially if
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it is a scientific and technical museum, so, of course, i had such an attitude towards the museum, i did not understand yet, what to expect next, what to expect further from this place, little by little my team and i began to develop all this, develop, develop, we did one project, there we did a second project, we improved something here, we improved something here, looking ahead, i’ll say, that in 2014 the attendance of the moscow museum there were more than 200 thousand people in astronautics, in pre-pandemic years the attendance was almost 800,000 people, the museum was filled with life, the museum was constantly filled with some kind of activity, some kind of movement, very different people began to come to the museum... that is, this is also important, so that not only techies there, who live in all this, but people who are involved in different professions, different specialties, far, as far as possible from space,
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so that they also want to come to the museum, so that they are inspired through those stories, which they can hear there, and so that they may further, perhaps, leaving the museum, think, or maybe somehow connect their lives with space, or remember, i don’t know, some stories that their family told them about how their life was already connected with space , that is, the museum had a task, there were even two of them, the first task, after a person went through the entire exhibition, so that he understood, was filled with this pride in general, that’s because there any exhibit you look at is what you want, whether you want it or not, he fills this with pride and joy, probably from ownership, so the first thought is that every person can be the first, just as yuri alekseevich gagarin was the first in space, regardless of what field you are in work, or in whatever area you are doing something, the second thought, of course, is precisely
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about the fact that space is an immense topic, space is a topic that can be endlessly immersed, explored and - space is the topic with which each of us connected, and speaking of exhibits, is there any... favorite exhibit in the museum, i think that any person who works or has worked in the museum will say that he has all the exhibits in the museum as his favorite, absolutely, but of course, i’ll probably say about several exhibits that made a great impression on me at one time, and the first exhibit is a cardiogram of yuri alekseevich gagarin, which was made on the eve of the start, why does this exhibit make such an impression on me, because when i first visited i watched it, i watched it studied surrounded by people with medical education. and when they looked at this cardiogram, they told me: you know, it’s surprising, but the person is not worried at all, i say how can it be, how can he not worry, tomorrow he will fly into space for the first time, and this made a great
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impression on me , and i decided for myself that all the cosmonauts are all people who probably devote their lives to this topic, they are in some ways very similar to yuri alekseevich, i think that you anton nikolaevich, too , were probably a little worried, but... this probably wasn’t noticeable on your cardiogram, the second exhibit that i would like to talk about is an exhibit that entered the museum during my work at the museum, this is a letter from faina georgievna ranevskaya, which was written for her death yulia alekseev gagarina in 1968, and faina georgievna ranevskaya wrote this letter to tatyana tes, a journalist and her friend. why did it make such an impression on me, because i saw in this... letter, and the reaction and pain, probably, of the population not only the soviet union, but also the whole world, to the death of the first cosmonaut of the planet, i can even
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quote a few lines from there , because i worked a lot with this letter, there are probably two such fragments that i can now reproduce, the first fragment sounds as follows, faina georgievna ranevskaya writes: that day i played scenes from somov, and when i returned home, i drank vodka alone, this has never happened to me, it’s immediately clear how people perceived the death of the first cosmonaut. and even further she writes, she says: why didn’t they tell gagarin that he now belonged to the world, and not to himself , and allowed him to fly, and i had this letter in special gloves next to special people from the funds, i held it in my hands, and this of course makes a colossal impression. daria, did you have the opportunity to visit various space objects, well, thanks to the fact that you work at the cosmonautics museum, of course, and you opened the museum. the museum
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generally opened the door for me to this industry in this area, and several places that i want to talk about, and the first one is probably this is rkk energia, because the museum, which is located at erka energia, and at the museum , which is at the energia enterprise, which makes our ships, part of the station, they have their own museum, they have their own museum, you can go there, as far as i understand, by agreement, small, generally open even, time to contact them, yes, why did he make an impression on me, because there i saw the original descent vehicles and yuri alekseevich gagarin and alexei arkhipovovich leonov, if i’m not mistaken, valentin vladimirov tereshkova, that is, everything the originals are there, then many years later we already did an exhibition at the cosmonautics museum, and the descent vehicle of yulia aleksevich gagarin was on display at the cosmonautics museum for some time, then returned there, but this is really
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a place where i’m also like... i felt this connection to space, if there is such an opportunity, i advise everyone to visit this place, especially if you have an interest in astronautics and a love for this topic, and another place is the imb, the institute of medical and biological problems, too a cosmic place, and i remember that there i first saw this special one, this room chamber, as it would be more correct to call it, where the first isolation experiment took place, in the year sixty-eight it took place, it was called, yes, it was called the year in a spaceship, very an interesting experiment, a very small room, a small experiment, and the most interesting thing is that a film about this experiment can be found on the internet, you can watch it, see how it went, a documentary film, a documentary film, everything is based there, i watched it, very interesting, surprising, and you remember, the main thing is what the results were, i was very shocked that people then did not communicate and so on, you are now looking from such a practical scientific point of view, and i will remind you that there was also a romantic story, because
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a person... who participated in this experiment, at some point he realized that he had fallen in love with a girl who worked outside this space, she worked at the institute of medical and biological problems, they - if he loved her by her voice, then there was no video, yes, if i'm not mistaken, it was clean voice communication and correspondence, and there was also a census, in my opinion there was correspondence, and well , you see, as a girl, this moment also touched me, and i highly recommend watching this film, because in general, to have an idea of what it is isolation experiments, because at the institute of medical and biological problems these experiments are still being carried out, there were many of them, they were different, conditions were simulated both during a flight to the moon and during a flight to mars, we remember all the mars 500 experiment, and a year and a half isolation, a year and a half in isolation, this impossible to imagine, impossible, better than six months in orbit, but i just wanted to say that it’s hard for me to imagine how it’s possible or not, everything is much better there, we... have good communication skills and the crew
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changes periodically, no, it’s interesting there, everyone day is not like another, so i’m very proud of my work , it seems to me that i have the most interesting job that you can imagine and the most beloved, naturally, i can’t even imagine what i would have done if i hadn’t gotten into cosmonautics, i am proud to meet you astronauts, and the fact that i also work in this industry. about the moscow museum of cosmonautics with dari chudnaya and i anton shkablerov. daria, was it possible to see off the crews and meet them? i know about the traditions that exist in the museum, i went through them myself, yes, indeed, and already while working at the museum, together with the team, we restored the tradition that existed before, even under sergei pavlovich korolev. and this tradition is as follows: the crew that goes to baikanur before launching into space. before leaving moscow, i think, no?
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first before departure, but we understand that very soon they will be leaving for the international space station, yes, yes, yes, and the tradition is that before they left moscow, they definitely had to come to the territory, memorial house of the sergei pavlovich korolev museum, visit the house of sergei pavlovich korolev, sit on a bench that is located in the garden next to this house, and most importantly, above this bench on the tree hangs that same legendary horseshoe for good luck. who was still in the yard at one time sergei pavlovich korolev found it and attached it there himself, so i remember very well when you and the group came to us more than once, and of course i might take on such a mission myself, but in my opinion, from ours, in my opinion, from the very third flight, it was we who resumed this tradition, tea drinking, this is in the house, because indeed, sergei pavlovich korolev, just on the eve
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of gagarin’s launch, came to the house where he was next door in the neighboring house, and came to visit gagarin and titov , they drank tea, it really went down in history. and i very i’m glad that the museum supports this tradition, we come with pleasure, we were with the film crew, there was another such immersion in astronautics, in history, that is, they saw the originals of things among which sergei pavlovich korolev lived, visited his house, a lot we heard interesting things from your colleagues and i know for sure that all this time they remember how such a good, kind place, hospitable, where you always want to return, in addition to the traditions that are associated with the house of sergei pavlovich korolev, i also want to talk about an experience that i think i will remember for the rest of my life, once i was on the return of the crew from the international space station together with the search and rescue team, i went to the kazakh steppe, it was a long road,
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and we spent the night in the steppe and i remember this morning, it was summer, and it was dawn, we were given a report on when the return of the crew would take place, i can even, by the way, say what kind of crew it was, yes, it’s no secret, then the commander of the ship was oleg kononenko , he flew with sanjak with en makley, this one here we met the crew, amazing, just something incredible, that is, it seems to me that the moment a rocket takes off is something that changes human perception, and here you are no longer just seeing off the astronauts, here you are meeting them, it seems to me it’s always more pleasant and i remember, it seems to me, literally minute by minute this morning, when we understand that when everything happens, everyone has already had breakfast, everyone is ready, literally there are only a few minutes left until the moment
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when in absolutely transparent, blue -blue this black dot will appear in the sky, a descent vehicle that is returning from space, when i tell this story, i always tell everyone that i allowed myself, how... i saw this dot, i allowed myself unforgivable for a person who thought works in this industry, i look like this, i look, the sky was transparent, there was nothing, at that moment i see this dot and say, listen, space really exists, that is, they are returning, and it’s amazing, this dot becomes more, more, more, more, at this moment there is an absolute, very professional bustle on earth, because everyone is driving, driving, driving, all services are working, everything is very coordinated, there are blue birds, these cars, they are lined up on the horizon, all this incredibly beautiful, it is clear that the people who are working at this moment do not pay attention to it, i still went there as a representative of, let’s say, a press team, a team of journalists, i also had the opportunity to reflect on this topic,
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landing happening, special people they approach the descent vehicle, there is a radiation check, one, two, that is, everything is very clear, i am surprised what... this is probably the most correct word that describes the process, and i open the descent vehicle, the cosmonauts appear at this moment it seems that what is happening - it’s a miracle, well, and then, i’m telling you this like this, as if you never had anything to do with this, i haven’t met anyone, at least not yet, but i think that from the inside it’s of course and... more everything is perceived in a more surprising way, well, from the outside it’s
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