[000:00:00;00] one might say at the federal level, together with the gorky moscow art theater and the russian railways, we called it the defenders of the fatherland train, where the moscow art theater with the best, with its productions, with famous artists, travels throughout our entire country, and shows it in theaters, stage, regional theaters, and where we invite our students for free. a women's health center has been opened in moscow at the savelelyeva hospital, which has no equal in terms of equipment; this has never happened in moscow before. center is located in the southwest, it was built, as they say, from scratch, and this is the first point in a major reorganization of the entire system of perinatal care in the capital. healthcare is reaching a new level, anna kurbatova’s report is about these new standards. the women's health center is very similar to

a standard moscow clinic. the same. spacious corridors, large offices , clear navigation, and of course, modern equipment, here are ultrasound machines, expert class machines, mammographs, ct, mri, or, for example, equipment with which you can find out how a small heart beats in the womb, and this device is also of the latest generation. i’ve been working as a midwife for over thirty years, and this is the first time i’ve seen such a device, there was another ctg machine, but not as accurate, the old one was old, when the baby was sleeping, we had to repeat it several times. buzz it with the help of sweet candies, but now please, more precisely, everything is removed and there is no such need, the women's health center, the first of its kind in the capital, appeared on the basis of the thirty-first hospital in moscow, its built from scratch next to the building of the perinatal center, so you can get there without going outside through a glass passage, everything is thought out to the smallest detail, on the first and second floors of the new building there is a diagnostic unit above the neonatal block, there is an inpatient unit,

an intensive care unit, a nursing department... rushing to be born even half prematurely . we will give them a full cycle of treatment. previously, we transferred these children to large multidisciplinary children's hospitals. the weight of such babies is usually about 500 g, and now there are all conditions for them here. certain temperature, a certain humidity, a certain oxygen can even be supplied here at a certain percentage. so it's like in mom's tummy? yes, it’s like in my mother’s tummy. well, here you can conduct any research, including making. the mayor of the capital also visited this department today, all our children are nursed in modern incubators, we have the ability to carry out renal replacement therapy, what you don’t have, what we don’t have, it seems to me that we don’t have everything, congratulations, it’s all part large modernization program moscow healthcare system. in moscow, you know, we are reconstructing clinics, building new hospitals, one of the areas

, very important, is women’s. consultations, there are about 90 of them in moscow, they are located, unfortunately, not in the best premises, many of them are morally and physically outdated, together with specialists and doctors they have developed a new modern standard, the new standard is also the comfort of the child’s mother, like this, for example, here are the wards, there are single and double rooms and the baby is not separated from the mother, even if he always has to be in a special crib, since now we have intensive care units all open in the city of moscow, any mother, and parents, and father as well, can visit the child, can be next to him, this is actually such an important step, in the development of our healthcare, in general, conditions for pregnant women in moscow have been created in stages for several years now, a network of obstetric hospitals has appeared, new perinatal centers, one of the largest in russia on the basis of the sixty-seventh hospital, opened

last year, and now they provide... help, which a woman and baby may only need. polina yashina, who recently gave birth to her fifth child, has something to compare with. unlike all my previous births, here there was a midwife with me all the time, there, because she only came to me during the labor, already when i gave birth, but here from the very beginning of the contractions there was a midwife with me, she told me everything that was there, what will be there, what kind of injections, there is very good equipment here and what i... liked most of all is that i haven’t met a single, well, let’s say, evil employee here, at the screenings, at the examinations, at all the ones i was here for, i really liked the maternity ward itself, uh, you’re there alone, and you don’t hear anyone around, and so on, to the new standard of care, according to the mayor, in the capital will completely switch over in the next few years, anna kurbatova, ivan strukov, yulia khodorova, zurfiya khakimova, daria

rybakova, dmitry tishchin. what kind of role gave me a headache, i have no dream, to stand at the line, cancer. head and i never asked, i lived like this, in pain,

in the role of a pile, i am not a gift, according to the painted to my soul, on the reverse side, he wrote, time dawned in you, traces, it remains for me now to collect my gifts, according to the times, it fell to us, in our hands, to be beauty, to become a height, a fool, so i endured, seething with life, the truth, i didn’t wait for a long time, i was losing strength , what do you need, according to my painted soul, on the back side, i wrote, believe me, time

developed smoke, light, what’s left for me now, to collect my gifts. yeah. according to my painted soul, on the reverse

side, i wrote, believe me, it’s time to grow, the traces that are left for me now to take back yes... hello, this is the podcast 20 years later, my name is. konstantin mikhailov and we started with a hit on the painted soul. our guest is alexey gorshenev, musician, poet, composer , founder of the gorshenev group, vocalist

of the rock band kukryniksy, and the younger brother of one of the founders, perhaps the main founder of the group, the king, mikhail gorshenev. alexey, hello. greetings. on the painted soul , i wrote on the back side “believe me, strong words, what is this about? i’ll probably start with pathos, because everything that a young man does, he expects that he will be received better than he is, than he is, because behind him there is nothing, no special mind, no consciousness, no lived experience, and so on, and he is trying to crawl into this crazy, crazy of ours korushel, let's call it that, rude show business in all sorts of ways , yeah, well, my mind visited me, the same thought came to me, what could i do, so that it would be widely, already from the very beginning, so i did absolutely, well, let's put it this way, simply an idiotic remark,

having practically nothing behind it, because all this is superficial, based on the basics, from a young guy, this one, who wants to conquer something pseudo with a guitar, he begins to perform akyn of russian rock, for which they don’t really like him, so if we take for. .. here is your thesis: there is a 20-year difference between this and today, then for me personally, this is a huge difference, yeah, the difference is that it all started with pathos, with a game, with rage - with energy and ended with great forms in terms of development of consciousness, because today for for every phrase of today’s creativity, search , doubt or something so reverent, i can answer, the compositions are not a problem for my soul, for me they remained precisely in that time when i was nobody, did nothing, did pathos, did what something strange, for the most part this is a russian akyn, this is a russian rob. which did not

always have the motivation of adequacy, let’s say, there is an interesting clip about the painted soul, where the girl’s body drawings disappear and she becomes pristine, pure, just about eats an apple, and at the last moment you take the apple away from her and go up the steps, and i thought: are you really a god and decided to replay everything? and don’t let her sin, you see how people’s imagination works , including, among other things, you noticed some kind of philosophical theme about oh, i don’t even know , i’m probably much angrier, i want it people still understood what i mean, and not what they want to understand, yeah, after all, this is the script solution for this clip, mukhamedyanov, vitaly, he came up with his own her point of view, which we now no longer recognize, unfortunately, well, he, he thought,

i can’t say, because it was still his work, his script, his, his shooting, and we, as young people people, hurray-hurray, let's film, what he meant, i don't know , well, it seems to you, it might be better this way , well, let it seem so to you, you said that now you are more demanding of your text and in general to yourself, what you were then, then you were ready to shoot with nothing, maybe this is also by the way, the path that many musicians follow, i’m now analyzing the texts of more than half of the musicians, who, it seems to me, are simply putting together words from balda in the hope that each listener will put his own into them, and this is the easiest thing, sorry, but maybe this is the hardest thing, because you, say, if you analyze the texts, you calculate them, they don’t give you any maneuver, not a step to the right, not a step to the left, if you sang beliberda, everyone would find in it... this is the meaning, but no , another would say, another, the point is

that when you are young, when you are little you understand the world around you and you understand little about yourself, a lot is a mystery to you, you do the simplest, simplest thing for people, complicating the practice of creativity, you understand that you need to do for something more, for something more you can be aware from god's point of view, movement or as i call it, become a unit with a nail in the globe and turn it over. then you you you you understand where your talent is, where it is buried, you nurture it, you nurture it, develop it, here you are no longer doing it for people, but for something more, for yourself, i i think that you come to yourself, no, in no case, this is selfishness, which creativity is called this selfishness, when you do for yourself honestly, do not pay attention to anyone, not for needs, many people think this is what you should do , this, this is true, i’m now a little broader, broader, i’m talking about how you breathe and live, what are you for, what is your motivation, if you do it for people, two things immediately arise in you, the most disgusting

what a creative person has is vanity and pride, it’s with them that you, you, you all the time and make friends and fight, as soon as you do for something more , they go away from you, you just have to work, you have to do what you can, that’s what you ’ve dug up in your life, what you i studied something that was given to you with some difficulty, perhaps either fortune or luck, you saved it, summed it up and came up with something, look, this is interesting. this is my motivation, but again, this is not done for the sake of your ego , you know how cool it is, i made such a topic, no, it needs to be done for something more, then it will be great if you, you do for people, you expect from them, cool guy, oh, this is interesting, then you are unstable, you can be manipulated, and this is something more, lesha, when more you could feel the feedback from the fans when you shot empty, difficult shots. by the way, have you now come to a simple one

or an even more complex one? i’ll now tell you the topic that i’ve reached, but i reached it with the help of faust, i’m now working on faust, in the future i’ll be working on the next topic, this is dante and etc. and so on, because this is primarily interesting to me , and so goethe said to his friend’s student: don’t deal with large forms, so during this time i would, what i... nafaust and the fact that i will invest even more at this time, i would have made three, five albums, but i don’t do it, because it will stop me, because i suddenly realized when i was 47 that there is no need to waste time on satisfying someone else’s needs, so you are talking about how the public receives it, brightly, colorfully, screaming, something else, but this again vanity and pride, there is such a phrase, today is a sensation, tomorrow is a shame, i don’t want

all this, i’m getting old, maybe when today i see a response from the audience, most of all i see that people want to hear something from me, but give me something interesting and i fit in with these people, i don’t want to just take them and quit doing stupid things. you have a lot of songs about life and death, about understanding this border between two states of aggregation, do you think there is something there? can mikha hear us now? these are personal things each person, they respond differently. i think that yes, there is something in this, you know, here... if we take it from a scientific point of view, from the point of view of physics, but we have a field, and an energy one, and it is viewed in different screens, there is green, yellow , blue, that is, well, roughly speaking, but for example, here it doesn’t become, but the field is diverging, that’s how you throw this raffinate sugar into the water, and it’s dissolved, this

piece , that is, joined the great, joined the great, and he was, we but we can’t say that it didn’t exist, we can’t deny it, so? it still exists, and even if the body passes away, it still gave it away and somewhere it is, this is from the point of view of physics, and if from the point of view of human psychology, we cannot give up on a person, he is always with us, as long as we are alive, he is always with us.

where there are no times, where everything is inside, where the eternal. will begin its run, eternally alive , an uncontrollable fire rushing towards us , the world knocking on us, where the light fades, from the depths, where there is no reason not to be yourself, where on the edge worth it, born to be a bridesmaid, further, further,

the soaring angel will add beauty to two gentle villages. and then, further, under the light of the burning homet, we will see the birth of a star, given, a special sign, when and how the world will wake up. and only in this way, and only you, will you leave us something special, with which we, further, further,

the smiting angel, will add beauty to the two-tender villages, and further, further, under the light of the burning homet, we will see the birth of the famous. further further the smiting angel! add

beauty to two gentle villages, and further on, under the light burning towards the meta, we will see the birth of a star, thank you. when you write a new song now, do you think about what mikha, your brother, gorshinev, or maybe andrei knyazev, who i’m sure knows your work, would say, they go to your concerts, you think about it in general, is this feedback ping happening in your mind? i get this kind of ping, as you say, then when i’m doing something really big... then when i think, damn, bear, i ’m missing you, there’s an interesting thing here, come here, about the arranging moment or the release

of new songs, i don't ask anyone because that i believe that what happens, happens, i’m a lover of fate in this regard, when you don’t complain about life, but you say, well, that means it had to be, yeah, so i did everything i could, in the world of my depravity, everything that i didn’t want, naturally, that is... my desire is not always the final side of the issue, the final side of the issue, what was done, done, better, which means i couldn’t do it, so opinion surrounding people, it is interesting from the point of view of analysis, well, yes, it’s cool, but with point of view, asking how it is and what it is, unfortunately, that time when you could just jump out to meet someone, when you were 20, 25, 30 years old, look, little girl, what have i done, this is from kharms, you know, it's gone, uh-huh. now i have become angrier, i have become darker, tighter, how can i say this, i have become more collected, i have become heavier, as

if i sat down like this, then this is perhaps old age, because i share in my simplicity i don’t really want to do it as much as before, of course, then there is a temptation to go by antonyms, because we have a podcast 20 years later, and of course, i want you in 2001, just to understand, when you sang according to the painted soul, what were you like then? alexey gorshinev, well, probably the direct opposite, no, not the direct opposite, no, then this is 2001 and just 2001, but this is the indirect opposite, he was such a strange person, with alternative thinking born inside, not understanding what it will all end, but very dreaming and wanting to understand this world and figure it out, penetrate into it, hug it, somehow shrink it, here you are. world, then i did this, now i want this, but then i could have been pushed in any direction, now it

is not impossible to do, i have become coarse, that’s what we are talking about, and these 20 years, what they have passed, for me did what needs to be done, because the most important four points, let’s call it that , rock and roll, are the first, do what you think is necessary, the second is to have the energy, uh, necessary to do it , is to have a melody, because after melody gives rise to interest in music, if there is no melody, it is followed by textual congestion or congestion, but the melody comes in third place, and at the end of the text, this is the idea that you want to convey, all these 20 years i have been nurturing this in myself, you say that now you can’t be turned at all, can’t you call this blinkeredness and rejection of some other opinion, let’s start a little with this blinker, this is when a horse has side gates for this. she wasn't afraid of the outside world, i don't have that exists, i am interested in it, you know, what is the difference between people, again, you will say that

a person is too narrow-minded, no, our difference is that, uh, the amount of information and the speed of its processing, so i have a certain experience, i i have a certain desire, i have a certain system of my understanding, and i can’t lose this and change it for something, then, well, it’s probably easier to kill me, because when i see around me. other people who think in their own way, i don’t change them, i just offer them, and if you want i have this story, at the same time i ask them, what do you have , maybe there is something interesting for me, i don’t do anything else, i don’t implant my self on anyone , well, that’s what you say that this is the attitude towards showrooms, i run like a horse , yes, yeah, unfortunately, i ran away and most likely, perhaps a wall is waiting for me, but this is happiness for a creative person, to crash against this wall, like this , where did this... philosophical approach to life come from, did you ever think about becoming a psychologist or a philosopher?

study, because you are interested in it, but this is a waste of time, i have a great desire to write something, well, i understand that this time is needed, but i have a task now, i need to finish the second part of faust, when i sit and try to finish it, i keep catching myself thinking, how did you notice these blinders, this is a good opinion, by the way, and i keep thinking, here i am sitting here on oligrovsky prospekt alone in the studio, i’m doing my own thing, let’s call it work, although it’s not really work, and i think how many people did you read faust on everything? prospekt, this is a big street in st. petersburg, i roughly think that about 200 people read faust, well, maybe 200 people read the first part, yeah, maybe 20 people read the second part on vsemovsky prospekt, and i’m one of them, i ’m sitting here doing the damn thing knows what, it’s no longer possible to break me, because i understand that it’s just, well, how to put it, simpler, well , it’s a little given to me, i felt it on

my other things, i got to this point with some other songs of mine, i’ve already done, it's mine a wonderful friend, if so, well, if we talk about something, that is, this whole path, this whole path is my happiness, and it will result in something, mikha had the main project for the final part of her life - this is , yes, maybe you’ll do something like faustus , it’s planned, but i can’t talk about it right now, because right now, you know, we keep promising, promising, and then something somewhere on something we slip, it all collapses while it lasts. i have big plans and what’s more, i’ll say that i would like to change the feeling of what is called the action stage, musical, i would like to capture the feeling, listen, how was groshenev’s project born, who recommended the name and why he left kukronnikov, this, his brainchild? well, no one advised me, it happened naturally, since

it’s my last name, and we were called by the last names of other people, wonderful artists... kukarniksy, yes, yes, yes, not caricaturists, because we know them only from caricatures, the great patriotic war, here is nikolai sokolov, he has a museum in the city of tula, in my opinion, here there, he is a wonderful artist, well, that’s just me, i digress, so these are people who have their grandchildren, great-grandchildren, there, they have their own lives, where we got into when i realized that something needs to be changed and changed now and faster, i realized that this was necessary. do it in your last name, so that you never say that what i’m doing is stupid, at least in choosing a name, because to give a last name is at least not stupid, but this is not a solo work, this is a gorshinev project, a project, it's called the project because he's always with him all the time some experiments, we are doing both this and that, now we have now done a symphony orchestra, concerts, we will

do sergei yesein in october, we are doing brother’s songs, where. performing mishka's compositions by andrey too, we will do the next and next works, this is not just some kind of group, the group had to be created 20 years ago, it is no longer possible to create it later, because you already look at people differently, you already you use them, and these are already unequal people, at the moment it’s not not that the group is a project in which people participate, and you and mikha wrote songs together, and you know that you had a guitar standing in the middle of your two beds, and it’s like, whoever grabs it first and or who gets the idea first, grabs it? well, first of all, about the guitar project, here’s the story, it was standing next to the guitar bear, which means it’s his guitar, when he wasn’t there, when he wasn’t working on it, i took it, looked at it, composed it myself, i didn’t learn to play on the guitar, i, i learned to play the accordion, but unfortunately it all ended with assessment count, why is it that when you don’t understand

why the music was created, you just play it, i’m not playing it, on a motorcycle and don’t understand why, yes, yes, yes, it’s about the same story, and i understood, that i need to understand music differently, now i understand that i did everything right , then it was not mine, but now music is a bridge, it is my instrument just to break through my self, my inner self, desire , this one, you know, this is some kind of heat, this heat, this is desire and interest, there are doubts, there are hopes, all kinds, they live in you and music is the brain. just like thoughts and text, this is a bridge, just like from the stage you make certain movements, you must somehow convey them to the viewer, these are all bridges, but there are real musicians, this is their path, i for this, if they understand it, if it is happiness for them, only for it, but i didn’t understand it then and for me it was not happiness, so it was impossible to exploit me, an unfortunate child, i received a stake, these are doors

closed, in the trolleybus and the trolleybus left with it, this music left. but something else arrived that no longer left me indifferent, this is rock roll, and the essence of rock roll, especially in the punk direction, is an opportunity, you don’t really know how to play, but you have it. so we understood that you lacked awareness back then, maybe you have some kind of intellectual baggage today, but what you lack time for now, you understand now, but you didn’t understand then, well, naturally, no one understands at 20 years old that you have he has little time. i'm here now i watch my son all the time, i tell him, come on, think, torpedo, a little, press the gas pedal, look who you are, what you are like, although i studied myself, no, he’s not, he’s active,

he films everything, he is studying to be a director in st. petersburg, he wants something, does something, but still he even played you in the tv series kingshot, yes, yes, yes, he, he has something to do with everything that you have both technology and non-technology standing here, and some others. yes, he has something to do with it, it was easier for him, give him some parting words, say, from his contemporary son, peer, how to live a fulfilling life like the one you lived? well, the first rule is that life as a gift should be selfless, and our most important task is to live happily, but we cannot live happily without recognizing our talent, it needs to be somehow seen, rummaged through, well, somehow felt, where is this tenderness in you? why are you happy to see her, my second phrase says that not everything that sticks out of the water is a mega-important story, because we watch black, white, all these all the time

colors, but if we suddenly stop and we give ourselves a little pause and think, and if this is not so, if we think alternatively with thinking, not alternatively from the point of view of music, this is alternative thinking, this is what if, try this, this and third, einstein was once asked. you’re a physicist, you don’t believe in god, and he answered very interestingly, precisely because i’m a physicist, i believe in god, that is, in order to say whether this is true or not, you need to live through this experimental series yourself , let's call it that, this is me i saw it, i understand that, that’s why i went through it, i need to keep an eye out all the time, just find out, stick my head in there, that is, again, look at the story, you doubt it, this is one of... those things that i said that not everything that sticks out, which is what goeta said, doubt, because there is an opportunity to do, work on mistakes to the point, these are the main things that i would pay

attention to, well, yes, doubt, doubt that you see, the third piece of advice, by the way, doubt is a sign of an intelligent person, because only an idiot doesn’t doubts what he sees, what he is told, what he himself says, we had an intelligent man, just a session... of deep philosophy from the leader of the groshinyov project, alexey groshenyov, it was very cool. lyosh, do you remember what you dreamed of 20 years ago, and what came true? well, it was banal after all, well, there are some halls to gather there so that people understand you, it’s like everyone else, i probably went to where i am now, and now i remember this is my last day at work where i worked, it was in 2001 that i quit my job and what i wanted. probably what i’m doing now , to be independent, yeah, to understand that if you have the opportunity to do a big job, but it doesn’t bring money , and somehow model it on the other side,

again making money from music, for example, i’m now working on this big form, faus and dante, i know that it’s not so profitable and i know that this is all just philosophy, and this is my work, it’s not fashionable and it’s not for everyone, but at the same time i already use your experience accumulated in all songs. what i wanted to go to, this is the first and probably the second, to get joy from it, which i also wanted , because i kept thinking, damn it, if we all move down from this mountain we’ll understand that this is all no longer interesting , tomorrow will not excite me, no, every day i get up at 7:00 in the morning, at 8 in the morning, rush to my studio, sit and pick and invent, search, and try to get rid of these blinders, and you just said, this is there is that time when i stood at this job and thought, well , will i stay like this or not, it’s called krok

7:8 am, healthy lifestyle, what’s going on, well, this is a man, well, we must not forget that i’m already 47, already forty-eight years old, these are all these bravura, all these statements , pancrock doesn’t die, and so on, i to i treat this with humor, well, yes, because i haven’t been involved in specific punk rock. so, you know, and my life was so strange, no, well, in different ways, but it’s not impossible to say that i’m, you know, a fundamental punk who needs to be treated like that, no, i ’m still probably more fundamental, a miracle funny philosopher, you're a punk philosopher, like if you want, listen, our cube makes your wish come true, if you want, believe it, if you want, no, but what do you dream about in 20 years, i dream about my own theater, let’s just say, that’s what will be there in this theater, i would like it so that a person knew that he was coming, that it would be interesting for him there, in advance, he knew in advance , but naturally, then sitting there surprised that oh, this is it, so that every trip to this theater he would discover

some new ones, i don’t know, but not horizons, this has already been said too much, some windows into the world of understanding, so we will follow the dream go and try to realize it, no, so that there is truth there, so that stanislavsky in a coffin spins like a propeller, shouts, i believe, i believe, i believe, by the way, yes, i suggest the song vera, kukraniks group. it seems that everything is so close to me and breathing and breathing, it seems that i can reach it with my hand and

survive. it seems that everything has passed a long time ago, i am married, i am married, it seems that everything should not seem, but i hear how to live when in our hearts there are no longer people after us. the answer is on seven hills, but i want to live now, how to live when the word is great, has already perished forever, only

closing the door yourself, you open a new one, then, no matter how long you wait, patterns in your soul, resentments, abuses, it seems. that everything, they are already gone, broken, this world was right, i can’t leave my dreams, i can’t, it’s true, it’s me, and i want to live beautifully, how to live, when in

our hearts, there are no longer people near us, the answer to seven holums, but i want something now, how to live, when the word believes has already died forever, just close it yourself. open a new one,