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of the wonderful, i’m with you, his presenter, writer alexey varlamov, and today we will talk about shukshin. valentin rasputin has such words that if at some world gathering, where one person from each nation had to be presented, so that it would be by this person that one could judge the qualities of everything people, so if such a person had to be chosen and presented from the russian people, then vasily would become such a person. when i began to really study shukshin, when i began to delve into the details of his fate, i realized how right rasputin was, because of course, shukshin was a complex person in the literal sense of the word, complex, that is, complex, and really in the history of shukshin, in the personality of shukshin, what is called the history of russia of the 20th century is reflected in a drop of water, and of course,

talent is the main quality of shokshin, but his the story is amazing... not only with talent, but with amazing will, i would even say cunning, reaching the point of resourcefulness, and in fact, this is the mechanism of movement, advancement, takeoff of shukshin, this is the most interesting thing, because this is vasily shukshin. so, imagine that in 1929 in the village of srostki, this large village in altai, a boy is born, the first-born in the family, who was named vasya, one of... russian children born in peasant families in those years, and even after 3 year old a scary woman comes to the house trouble, because in 1932, in the village of sroski, a special operation of the nkvd took place, as a result of this special operation, several dozen people, over eighty people there, men were immediately arrested, taken to barnaul and soon shot, which is true, none of their

relatives... knew, because for many years they were not told what happened to these people, but one way or another, vasya was orphaned at the age of 4, did not really remember his father, although his memory kept this image for him a little, and from that moment, shukshin’s mother, this one's widow a repressed, executed enemy of the people, these women were called the word sibulonki, these were the wives of prisoners in siberian camps, after 44 years, well, a little less... shukshin will be buried at the novodivichi cemetery among the soviet elite. and this is actually this rise, this rise of the very bottom of the soviets to the very top of the soviets, this is how he succeeded, this is perhaps, in the fate of shokshin, one of the most interesting and most mysterious phenomena. so how did this happen? i must say that shukshin’s mother was truly an amazing woman,

who loved her son endlessly. and apparently, she felt that he was a very unusual child, immediately after this misfortune happened in the family, she wanted to commit suicide, she was simply afraid of the future, i also had a little daughter, shokshina’s sister, her name was natasha , so she just opened the stove, so that, or rather the opposite, she closed, and the damper, so that carbon monoxide would enter the hut, so that she could simply die, because she had no strength to live, a neighbor came running and saved them, and after that , like this... it seems to me, but like this the pendulum swung in the other direction, and marya sergeevna, that was the name of shakshin’s mother, she simply felt that she had to live, she had to do everything to ensure that her children lived and not just lived, but that they lived well, here are a few years later after this tragedy, she marries a second time, she ceases to be an enemy to the wife or widow of an enemy of the people, she becomes simply the wife of an ordinary soviet

man, and vasya grows up in a family with his stepfather, whom he did not love, later he repented before this man, because man in fact, he was very kind, conscientious, and besides , what is very important, he was a very successful man , in modern terms, he was not a collective farmer, but he was engaged, so to speak, in his own business, and he takes away - marya sergeevna and her two children to the city, and actually there in the city vasya goes to school for the first time, then the war begins, and marya sergeevna’s husband is called to the front and soon he dies, so she is actually widowed for the second time and then she returns as an adult, returns to the village with two children, because in the village, where there is land, it’s easier to feed yourself, i must say that her second husband, since he was such a relatively wealthy man , he managed to build a rather large house in joints, by local standards, and

the first one settled on the second half of this house during the war years secretary of the district party committee, because during the war the joints were made by the district center, this man who knew nothing about marya sergeevna’s past, he was imbued with great sympathy for her children, for her son, who... read, later a legend was born that shukshin was so dark and uneducated that when he came to enroll in avgik , it means that he said there that he had not read anything, had not read anna korenina, had not read war and peace, all these were shukshin’s fairy tales, in fact he was very a well-read child, this is evidenced by his classmates, his fellow villagers, people who knew him well in his childhood and adolescence, so, well, this is war, but of course there was no electricity there, a kerosene lamp was needed, and marya sergegeevna had kerosene there wasn’t, we lived in starvation, then this one a man, the first secretary of the aikom party, he simply began to give kerosene to the boy so that the boy could read, and shukshin remembered this very well, from childhood shukshin had

an ambivalent attitude towards the soviet government, towards the soviet system in general, because on the one hand he hated it for the fact that she destroyed his father and millions of russian peasants, millions of russian men and could never... forget and forgive this, and for him it was an enduring pain and the eternal shukshin theme, on the other hand, he saw that in the depths there are good people in this government, conscientious, sympathetic people, and these people can really help you, and shukshin knew how to be grateful to them, then there’s another very interesting story, that’s when shukshin became famous, yes, he became famous throughout russia, throughout the soviet union, in a sense , for the whole world, growth. became such a cult place and thousands of tourists and writers, directors, actors began to come there, they naturally met with local residents, then some of the local residents had an attitude towards shukshin, well, in accordance with

the well-known maxim that there are no prophets in their own country. oda should say, well, vaska, vaska just left the village at the right time, went to the city, and if we could go to the city, we would also become great and famous there. what’s interesting here is that if we could leave, in fact, really , leave the village, leaving the soviet village in the post-war years was practically impossible, and yet we know that in 1946 shukshin left his native village, how he managed it do as he did getting a passport, something that was absolutely impossible, unthinkable for most soviet peasants, was again helped by my mother. during the war, shakshin’s mother trained as a hairdresser and worked in hairdressers. now let’s think about who in this village goes to get their hair cut, the authorities go to get their hair cut. and my mother cut hair for the bosses, she was a very good master

and she knew how to negotiate with these people . she really wanted for her son, in whom she felt something extraordinary, she wanted some kind of great destiny for him. she means a lot in his life, not by chance , and he loved his mother so much and so much ... dedicated wonderful lines to her and in general the image of his mother in shokshin’s work, this is truly a shrine, and so she was precisely dreaming that her son and if she gets out of this collective farm need, she gets out of this everyday life , she agreed with the first secretary of the district party committee so that vasya would be given a passport, and then, that means my mother thought that having received a passport, vasya would go to study in nearby cities either... barnaul or novosibirs, and vasya waved to moscow, this was, perhaps, the most unexpected, sharpest turn in his life, a turn that was then actually perceived as an escape, because in

essence, having received a passport, he abandoned his mother, his sister, of course, they did not starve, but in any case, there is a version, yes, that in order to equip her son, there mother sold the last cow, of course, and the cow, one way or another, is it a myth or a fable, a legend or not, it’s hard to say, but he was actually running away from his native village, he ran away and for several months, or maybe... for several years , there was no word from him, because his life, where he fled, was very difficult, and we don’t even fully know the circumstances of his entire life , but let’s remember the film kalina krasnaya, let’s remember yegor prokudin’s repentance to his mother, this is actually the repentance of shukshin himself, yes, his life turned out much happier than the life of his hero, but as in the story of borhis... diverging paths, also here shukshin as if

he felt that his fate could go according to different paths, along different paths, and as an artist he could not help but react to this, and what happened to him, he was going to conquer moscow, he wanted to become a writer, he wanted to study at a literary institute, but this was impossible for two reasons: -firstly, he did not finish school, he dropped out of school as an adult, he studied poorly in general, and dropped out of the automotive technical school where he studied in barnaul, but he still did the same... it was boring, he dreamed of a different life, a different fate and felt his calling, so he comes to moscow, but moscow does not accepts, in moscow he is not needed, he does not have a certificate to enter the institute , besides, in order to enter the literary institute, he must pass a creative competition, send some of his stories, essays, shukshin had nothing like that, then he begins to simply look for work , he doesn’t want to return home to nothing, he comes to kaluga and goes to work at a factory, this is the most difficult period... of his life, this is post-war russia, this is devastation, this is

rampant crime. shukshin is not by chance felt keenly the theme of this criminal environment, describing it not as a detective, but describing it with incredible sympathy and even with some knowledge of the matter, because he was very close to these people, because the people who worked on the restoration of the plant in kaluga , many of them were also former prisoners, future prisoners, and he actually walked on the very edge of the abyss, but survived. and there is a very interesting recollection of georgy burkov, a wonderful actor who will play in the latest shukshin films, the bench stove and kalina red, and shukshin, according to burkov’s recollections , once asked: zhora, did you know that you would be famous, but no, where from - said brukov, and i knew - said shukshin. and this is the honest truth. we continue this podcast with life. i’m alexey varlamov with you and we’re talking

today about vasily shukshin. shukshin felt his incredible calling, felt the talent with which he was endowed, but as they say, soon the fairy tale is told, but not soon the deed is done. first he works in kaluga, then he moves to vladimir and before literature, cinema, and art are still very far away from him. then he is drafted into the army, into the army he is drafted into the coastal part of the fleet. black sea, he serves in sevastopol, and a few years later, he was discharged due to illness, and shukshin, who is already 24 years old, and who has lived practically half his life and has not yet managed to do anything, finds himself in his native village, and he has nothing, he doesn’t have a certificate of secondary education, he doesn’t have a profession, and from this moment, from the moment he returns as an adult, he just begins to actively plow, he begins work, he begins to make his life, and it’s amazing what kind of efficiency this man had, he quickly graduates

from school, then, when he receives a certificate, the next year he is made the director of this school, these are somersault paradoxes of the then soviet life, but psychologically it is quite possible to understand them, because in the eyes of the local leadership, the local authorities , shukshin is a valuable personnel, a valuable reserve, and what is also very important, yes, that this is a person who has service in the army and work for factory, it all seems to work, and it’s to his benefit. and when shukshin tells his superiors that he wants to study in moscow, and he wants to study at the institute of history and archives, in the correspondence department, he treats this very favorably, because well, again, for the future soviet employee, higher education is a necessary thing, but here shukshin deceived everyone, because in 1954 he left srostok for moscow, and he submitted... documents not to the historical and archival

institute, but he submitted documents to the geek. there are many different legends, there are many different stories about how shukshin entered ovgik, well, perhaps the most famous story, i think it was told by director alexander mita, it is that shukshin did not even know that there was such a thing profession director, that he thought that the actors on the set themselves agree on who will play whom, therefore, it was with this kind of baggage that he actually... came to enroll in vgik, and then he was received by the great soviet director, mikhail ilyevich rum, which i immediately noticed, in this young man, incredible talent, therefore, took him, despite the fact that the competition at ovgik then was more than 100 people per place, and in general how shukshin managed to enter one of the most elite soviet universities; there is, of course, something amazing in this, in fact, not only something amazing,

and this story has another rather interesting prehistory, how shukshin found out that there is a profession as a director, because initially he wanted to become a writer, this is why it is important, because later he will be... a writer and a director and also an actor, these three they will seem to interfere with each other’s professions. there is his own memory, which he really dates back to different years, but i think that this is a reliable memory, that one day shukshin met on the street, by chance, with the famous soviet film director, ivan pyryev, and shukshin himself recalled that it was such a purely accidental acquaintance , they started talking simply because they were fellow countrymen, and pyryev learned that this... this restless guy saltai invited him to visit him and told him about his profession, again whether it really was or not was difficult to say, but it seems to me that acquaintance with pyryev really meant a lot in the fate of shupshin, because he was simply very ambitious, he was very ambitious, and

it seems to me that when choosing where to go , what profession should he choose, shukshin at some point realized that the profession of a director is cooler than the profession of a writer. in general, being a director is the most wonderful job for a man, so i think that, of course, he entered vgik and those documents with which we have today, they say that he consciously, purposefully went for any actor, he went specifically for the director, and then he passes the exams and gets in, and he really gets in because he was talented, no one argues with that , but besides, he was really very well read, in order to enter vgik, there were not enough studies, there were not enough interviews, he also had to write two more: essays, now these essays have been published, and if you read them, you will see that they are written amazingly literate language, deep, intelligent, beautiful writings of what is called an intelligent person, and intelligence in fact , this christian guy, it seems to me, was originally inherent, and this is also

a very important feature of shukshin, because when we think about his personality, his fate, what we see, what is shukshin? and this is... a boy who was born a peasant, this is a peasant who later became a worker, this is a worker who later became a soldier or sailor, this is a man who later became an intellectual, yes, this is a director who became an actor, this is an actor who became a writer, that is, shukshin really absorbed the most different facets of soviet life, and although outwardly he seems so simple-minded, direct, open, in to a large extent it is a mask. to a large extent this is a convention, he was a secretive person, he was an encrypted person, and it is not so easy to decipher him, but it is precisely this depth of shukshin’s personality, the depth of his nature, that is perhaps the most remarkable, the most important thing about him, which explains his incredible success, and

another very important point in shukshin’s biography, in his youth he managed to first join the komsomol, and then become a candidate for membership in the party, and therefore he was accepted not only as a talented person, but also accepted as, well, if you like, such a career worker, it was no coincidence that having entered the first year of the geek, he immediately headed the local komsomo bureau, and was one of those who drove stelyak, in particular, he drove lyudmila gurchenko, and for her all sorts of western habits, and then an incredible change occurs towards the end of it... when shukshin turns into such a hooligan, if you like, when shukshin’s views change, radically change, what was the reason, the reason for the changes that happened to vasily makarovich, until he studied at avgika, is that in 1956, when shupshin was a third-year student , the famous twentieth party congress took place,

and after the twentieth party congress, these are the same men in splices, yes, who were shot in 100... it was for him a monstrous shock, shukshen pavgiku’s classmates, it was no coincidence that they loved to remember that this guy who walked in tarpaulin boots, yes, who flaunted his village origin a little, this guy once stunned them by reading hamlet’s monologue, it was hamlet that was his favorite. hero, it was precisely this idea of ​​hamlet, the idea of ​​revenge for his father, it was the key dream for shukshin, it was, as it were, the goal of his life, his father, his sonship, this, this in shakshin,

is undoubtedly the most important thing, and in essence , shukshin sets his goal to reveal this terrible truth of the time, the terrible truth of his father, to repent to him for having forcedly, forcibly renounced him, but besides these difficulties there were wonderful bright moments, firstly... and andrei was a classmate torkovsky, and this is of course amazing, how really these two completely different people, how they coincided in one place, at the same time, moreover, the first film role that shukshen played was a role in andrei torkovsky’s course film, it was the film the killer by story by ernest hommengue, shukshin played the main role in it, played brilliantly, that’s the fact that imagine, it means that pyryev seemed to push him onto the director’s path, rom accepted him, torkovsky discovered him as an actor, and then shokshin’s fate will roll on and

develop , all this, of course, speaks of the non-randomness of this person’s fate. and in general, shukshin, in fact, when we talk about his acting talent, this is how it seems to me, in order to become a director, he studied a lot, he was generally a very hardworking person, as a writer he also certainly worked a lot, but as an actor, i have the feeling that he really played without difficulty, that everyone, all the people who knew him as an actor, talk about the incredible naturalness of his acting talent, the impression is this , that fate, as if understanding the whole severity of his life, she gave him this gift, she gave him an acting gift, acting talent just like that, as some kind of bonus, this acting fate of shokshin, it really was, extremely successful , here ah, but he dreamed of something else, he, of course, dreamed of becoming a director, and in parallel the literary plot in

his life was developing, in the early sixties, immediately after graduating from gika, shukshin simultaneously made films and at the same time worked in literature, in cinema , things didn’t go very well for him at first, because his graduation film, ilyabyazhyev, was reported to not have been a great success, and besides, mikhail rom cooled shukshino. cooled down, because rom was a real teacher, and rom loved to educate people, to give them shape, if so to speak, it was useless to educate shokshin, he came to vgik as an established, adult, accomplished person who wanted or had to take what he needed to take, here in gika, and then he went his own way, at some point he and rom separated, and rom did not help him the way he helped torkovsky or the way he helped. although shukshin still loved roma very much and was always eternally grateful to him,

one way or another, shukshin, in his fate as a film director, was helped by another wonderful soviet film director, this was sergei apolinavich gerasimov, who invited him to the gorky studio, and in fact, it was there at the gorky studio that shukshin worked in the sixties, it was there that his wonderful films were shot, first of all... there lives such a guy, a film that was a huge success, truly wonderful picture, and what else is interesting about it, because you are watching, this is a film really about a village guy, a film that shokshin shot in altai, but it’s amazing that in this film, if you remember, bella akhmadulina plays, where is shukshin and where bella akhmadulina, and yet, they saw something very important for each other, they reached out to each other as incredibly talented people, this is shuuk’s ability to find talented people, surround himself with talented people, this is also such an incredibly precious quality of his nature,

but further, shukshin’s cinematic fate, it has stalled a little, the second film he is making is again based on his own works, this is also important, yes, shukshin never took other people’s scripts, he always used with its texts, its plots, its characters, here is the second film, which... your son and brother is making, did not have such a good release, did not have such a good fate as the first film. the third film, which is called strange people, and which from my point of view is certainly the pinnacle in shokshin’s work, unfortunately failed, the audience left it, and there was such a moment in vasily beloov’s memoirs about how he and shukshin once went to the cinema , just look at strange people in vologda, and people they were leaving, people were leaving for... it was incredibly difficult for shukshin, but he did not blame

anyone but himself for this departure. he will then write an article with the following words: tie yourself in a knot, but don’t... speeches in an empty hall, and shukshin makes a very important conclusion for himself that we need to make people’s cinema, we need to make a film that everyone understands, that’s why he changes so dramatically manner, his next film turns out to be a picture, bench stoves, a picture that was shot completely differently, it really was a wonderful film, very smart, very subtle, very ironic, a film that really had a hard time going through... a film that was not liked by the local authorities in altai, who wanted the altai land to be depicted differently, but nevertheless, it was a picture, absolutely wonderful, which brought shukshin enormous fame, but he did not consider it the main film of his life, and not even the film kalina krasnaya, which will be shot soon after the stove-benches, a film that, due to

shukshin’s tragic fate, will be the last in his life. the fact is that shukshin was never able to make the main picture of his life, the main film of his life, and his main film was dedicated to stepan razin, and for shukshin this was indeed an extremely important topic, shukshin wanted to make a film about his father, in the amazing memoirs of vasily beloov , there is a scene where the two of them, two vasily, two russian men, two russian peasant sons, altai and vologda, they were really very friends, they are walking through the northern forest in the area... they are not afraid to speak openly and shukshin tells belov that he wants to make a film about the zone, about the camp, about how prisoners escape, it is clear that a book could be written about this, but it was impossible to make a film about it, and the main, as if the main character for him, turns out to be stepan

razen, and shukshin decided to make , a film called, i came to give you freedom, this is actually the theme of freedom , it becomes key for him, but when he wrote the script for this film and when he brought it to the film studio for discussion, then, then they told him, what are you, you want to make a film about the russian riot, it won’t work, so what did you do? shukshin, he went to the very top, you don’t want to come to an agreement with me, so i’ll go to the very top , he went to the politburo to the old square, and pavel dimichev, who oversaw cultural issues in the politburo, and he charmed him and got demichev to allow him to film film, i came to give you free rein, and shokshinin had already begun to prepare for this filming, he went to astrakhon, went to the vskovo-pechersk monastery, and there he studied nature, he did his makeup, he himself realized that he would

play the main role, he would play stepan razin, in general, already... preparing for removal this film, but then a very curious plot twist followed, which was connected with the fact that when the idea of ​​this film, the script of this film, the project of this film was discussed at gorkov’s studio, since shukshin worked at this studio, and shot his films at this studio , it was there that the discussion took place, then the great soviet directors, tatyana lioznova, stanislav rostotsky, they rebelled against this film by shupshin, for reasons that are clear to us all today. shukshin's painting was too expensive, therefore, if the studio had launched it, other filmmakers simply would not have received the money. and then shukshin goes to the massilm film studio, and the massilm film studio, unlike the egorkov studio, was richer , there were slightly different financial opportunities, even much different financial opportunities, and shukshin was offered, yes, okay, we will give you

the opportunity to make such a film, so moreover, goodness already existed from above... existed, was given, but first make us a picture with a little more budget, that’s exactly how, thanks to this coincidence of circumstances, it appeared shokshina's brilliant film kalina krasnaya, a film that became his repentance to his mother, and in fact to the village. yes, we continue, this is a podcast about the life of the wonderful, i am with you, alexey varlamov and we are talking today about vasily. shukshin shukshin was sure that now, after the success of kalina krasnaya, he would finally realize his dream of making the main movie of his life, the film i came to give you free rein about stepan razin, but bonddarchuk, yes, sergei bondarchuk, our famous film director, who in general directed , a mass film studio and from which a lot

it depended, but he asked shukshin that before you, vasya, launch your new... picture: star in my film, they fought for their homeland. and for shukshin it was generally difficult, difficult, because he played one of the main roles, and the film was shot in very difficult conditions. in the hot summer, but he could not refuse bonddarchuk , in addition, there is a version that after all, shukshin wanted to gain experience as a director, the picture, they fought for their homeland, was the same as the film that shukshin conceived, such a battle painting , therefore, the experience of working in such a film would also be important for him, in any case, he plays in this film, and in the fall of 1970, on october 2 , 1944, he was found dead in the cabin of the ship danube, it was such a floating hotel where the actors lived, namely shukshen actually

died there after the end of filming. there is still ongoing debate about what it was. in such a metaphysical sense of the word, well, this is how the blog said about pushkin, yes, that pushkin was killed by the lack of air, one can say that, of course, she also killed a kind of lack of air, because he walked for too long to this picture of his, there were too many obstacles and life was too hard for him, it was the life of a russian man, a life of wear and tear, the life of a man who stubbornly moved towards his goal, shukshin’s death struck , amazed the soviet people, the love for shakshin turned out to be enormous, moscow had not seen such a funeral as shakshin’s had, probably since yesenin’s funeral, and one more thing i want

to say about shukshin, here’s a little about that , why he succeeded in all this, because shukshin’s story contains a lot of instructive and didactic , so to speak, look, when shukshin was still a very young man, and when he studied at the bisk automotive college, the following story happened: bisk stands on the biya river and along this bi... a barge was sailing that was transporting cheese, and this barge hit the rocks, crashed , sank and sank along with this cheese, it was the month of november, and the boys, knowing this, they dived into the biy and took out this cheese, that's it was very difficult to do, because it was deep there, because the current was fast, because the river was cold, so shokshina’s classmate writes that we still dived, then... we had such a small feast on the shore. there is a similar plot in shokshin’s stories, he has a short story called cheese, there is the same plot, the same

setting, the baja floated, crashed, cheese, cold water, dived, but then shukshin writes like this, those those who dived took out cheese and ate, i didn’t dive, period, that’s how i it seems that here was the most important... hand for him, here he is, as if he didn’t dive then, he set this goal for himself, if you didn’t dive, it’s your fault, only you, if he didn’t dive then, he’ll dive later, will dive like a great writer, i didn’t have time to talk about it, but shukshin’s stories, shukshin’s literary destiny, this is a completely separate amazing story, shukshin’s acting destiny, shukshin’s directorial destiny, of course, this is some amazing, wonderful person, but the most important thing is him, what's on top these professional callings, he was really a man with some kind of, well, amazing huge conscience , he was really sick of russia, he lived in russia,

he constantly thought about russia and so - shukshin kept such notes and in these notes he has such words , not now, no, it’s important to break through to the future russia, did we break through to this future russia or... did we break through, this is a question that we have to answer, not him, and he is buried at the novodevichy cemetery, and it’s also very important, that every year in splices, 25 july on his birthday, for many, many years tens of thousands of people have been gathering near the monument to shukshin, there is a wonderful monument by vyacheslav klykov, where shukshin is depicted as the hero of his own film stove-bench, remember when... he says at the very end: here that's it, guys, it's over. and, in his diary entries in letters, he has the following phrase: “this is not the end yet. it seems to me that shokshin’s story is truly an endless story, and

there will never be an end to it. thank you, this was a podcast about the life of the wonderful. and with you it presenter, writer alexey varlamov. hello, my name is dmitry bak, i am the host of a literary podcast with a wonderful name. let them not talk, let them read, there is some kind of order, instruction, imperative, and there is no way to do without it, because the time is such that the visual principle competes for our free time, music, the internet competes, etc. , etc., but that’s all -it is necessary to count, therefore this pathos of the order is always with us, like in chekhov’s seagull, remember, this is

the resurrection of people, lions, eagles, partridges, here people, lions, eagles, all living beings, we address this call, read, read with pleasure, today i address this call to you, dear interlocutors, on the other side of the screen, together with my guest today, this is a writer, translator, editor-in-chief of the magazine foreign literature, alexander yakovlevich levvergant. hello, alexander yakovlevich. good evening. you go through our podcast under. after all, your main bread is literary translation, or maybe i ’m wrong? yes, well, a literary translation, if apart from the fact that this literary translation has to be changed every now and then, with classes in roggu, where i have been for more than 30 years, it’s scary to say, i teach there at the russian state humanitarian

university, aleksandrevich teaches what courses, well, i have a literary course translation, and there are courses on foreign literature of different times, american literature after forty-five, english victorian literature and a course of lectures, which is solemnly called on ethics and genres of foreign literature, then there is this special course, what is it called, well , it seems like yes, it seems like yes, then you have to change the literary translation. the magazine is foreign literature, although here in general there is no smell of treason, because that’s what we actually do as magazines, but it’s a magazine , it doesn’t publish just me, it publishes a lot of people, that is, it’s not a writer’s diary, it’s not a translator’s diary, yes and here you already have to be not so much an author, but an editor, and for the last

almost 15 years i have been working with... biographies, it somehow happened very strangely, in 2011 i published my first book , completely unaware that i can, am ready and love to write, enter the series, well, but i really liked it, and we’ll talk about it later, well let's try to start over, this often happens, i'm very interested in understanding how people come to their main occupation , how it happened, did you see yourself in the dreams of translators, already in elementary school, or did it happen suddenly, how it all happened, you know, well it's hard to say what it's from everything turned out how it happened, but i really remember, in our school, not the most sophisticated school, there was a german language, we were given translations - small texts, in your

school the main language was german, german, yes, german, i had german language, it was very weak at this school, then i even had to study german with a teacher , we were given small texts, and i came across a text about oil production, great, small text, four to five lines, such a production theme, and how -that there's something to it. everyone handed in their translation, and i continued to sit and swap words, apparently i was doing something, what class was it, well, i don’t know, i think it was some seventh or eighth grade, that’s because i somehow liked it, then after some time i translated it, without