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[000:00:00;00] that is, i would have kept it, no, probably, such a letter simply did not exist, we don’t know , then i asked may, but he could have lied, she says, such a sin was introduced for him, okay, well, leskov is best known, probably, for the story lady magbit of the tsensk district, oh, this is a story, that is, it is emphasized, and by the author, that this novel has a documentary basis , that is, this is a case that really happened about a rich woman who had an affair with her employee, they together killed the whole family on the way to jail in the camp, this lover with whom so many crimes were committed is cheating on her, she throws herself into the water and drowns her rival , that is, such a cool russian female character is described, and so don’t get it from anyone, don’t get it from anyone, this cry is actually from the ledy district
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liskov is also famous for his story, based on an anecdote, that the british forged and steel a flea, our tula craftsmen forged this flea and sent it back to them, well, in general, liskov is rather famous for its small form, legends, tales, some kind of documentary, what he had with genres in general, what kind of relationship he had with literary genres, everything is not so simple here, right? i think he had serious problems with the large form, because , well, even if we look at him like this... quite a scandalous novel, there is no place or on knives, he has difficulty maintaining the composition, by the way, his contemporaries also told him about this , dostoevsky reproached the novel with knives precisely for its incomprehensibility, vagueness of construction, and let’s say about the enchanted wanderer, many critics said there was no center in it, meaning precisely errors in composition, but liskov himself said that the rounded plot was funny to him and that’s the center of attention, that is, the composition of the novel itself was for some
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reason to him, one might say so, but quite one can assume that he simply couldn’t cope with the novel form; often, by the way, the writer lacks novelistic breath, well , that is, novelistic breathing is when you run a very long distance, like a stayer, yes, you run 10-2000 m .this is not the case of liskov, because he could well do a multi-page, voluminous work, but it seems to me that he still did not have the ability to build a story so that it would hold the reader’s interest all the time. let's just say the composition is the beginning, middle and end, and the beginning is the middle and the end, but the fact is that they must be connected by cause-and-effect relationships, they must be conditioned by one another, and the subsequent part must organically follow from the previous one, this is actually working with the composition, this is where nikolai semyonovich had problems, in particular in the enchanted wanderer, who, as i repeat once again, many of his contemporaries said, is just a set of short stories that are strung on one
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thread, they do not flow from one another. but this is very modern, this is a very modern form, just like some of his first-person narratives, there in the same hare remise, there is a big monologue of the hero, this is nutfiction, this is this novelistic form, it seems to me, now it looks very modern, in tune, yes, in tune with the modern form, i am absolutely sure that this is modern the form comes exactly from the inability to make a good composition, you scold selisky, well, let’s praise him, they don’t pay enough attention to him anyway, i’m now trying to analyze just the reasons why he wrote me a big book, that is, say, the czechs, who are very he was worried that he couldn’t do a big thing, but he didn’t hide it, he said, brevity is the sister of talent, which does not mean, yes, that he praised himself, he was a very modest person, no, he said, brevity - it's just the sister of talent, that's what he meant, not actually, he recognized chekhov’s talent, yeah,
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because he was a truthful person. it seems to me that he didn’t know how to lie at all, well, he’s a doctor, a doctor should look at things straight, he needs to tell patients the truth: you’re dying, and he told himself the truth, you’re dying from a fever, but liskov was not that kind of person, he was more complex , yes, more conflicting, he was always looking for conflict, in society he was looking for conflict, in his behavior with criticism, with publishers, he moved from one to another, cursed, and i even recognized him as a stranger everywhere, they said this is not our man, yes how katkov, said the editor... of the newsletter, this is not our man, i even found, you know, a very interesting letter of his, to the publishing house of some warsaw newspaper, where a critical article with critical statements was published about him, so he wrote to the newspaper, saying how wrong you are, i thought it was only like this in our time and writers criticize upon criticism, of course, that is, he was a restless, proud man, by the way, he did not even receive a secondary university education, and worked all his life
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as an official , which is surprising, and at the same time. he was seriously involved in literature, but why is he not accepted in the camp of people who are fans of nabokov, adherents of the russian language, high style, liskov, for some reason, is considered, well, not camillelfo, not camelfo, because he uses the folk language, that’s right, because of the poverty of his family, although he was a nobleman by birth, they lived very poorly , so he lived among the people, that is, he literally grew up in the same yard with the boy peasants and therefore he knows very well the language of the people, their thinking, and this is actually his main tool and technique in his literature, but this is not recognized by the adherents... of the high russian style, yes, he, of course, very much relies on the nationality, in the lecture sense, but you know, he invents a lot , which also irritated people, that is, he probably has more illogicalisms than all writers combined, you open lefty on the second
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or third page, you immediately encounter a whole series of strange words: solid sea, two-seater carriage, two-seater measles, this nymphusoria, they call it like glahu nymphusoria, is it? waiting, waiting, yes, yes, yes, yes, what is this, no, and the funny thing is, i even gave this to my students at the lettstiute as an example of very funny word creation, he talks about waterproof raincoats for the british cavalry, well, such rubberized macintoshes , nepromakabli, he calls them, he calls them resin nepromakabli , there’s a very cool word here, it’s very funny, i met it at limonov’s, but we can’t say that this is the people’s language, people don’t do that talking, maybe he’s here... imitates the way people make mistakes, when yes , when a people’s storyteller tries to look like an educated, respectable person and use some beautiful words, so he says: not about maqabli, and liskov understood, by the way, that
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due to this, he creates a serious humorous effect, but i really laugh when i read lefty, but as i understand it, contemporaries did not laugh, because lefty was mistaken for some kind of non-fictional story, that is, he was so convincing. in this imitation of folk speech, that in the end many decided that this was not his story at all, and not a story, in fact, that’s what the critics decided, because in the preface to the first edition he himself wrote that he had once heard such a legend as the left-handed man who shod blakha, that’s why everyone started saying that, then he removed this preface , after all, it was as if the author’s vanity, pride told him that yes, what was necessary, the only thing he did not say in this preface, but he really still came up with a lot for the story , perhaps there was such a legend among gunsmiths that the russians surpassed the british, they did shoe the flea, yes, that is, they made a small flea, and the russian gunsmiths even managed to shoe it, so their work was more jewelry, but he did not say one important thing in the preface,
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he added one detail in the text, which, in principle, changes the structure of the entire narrative, and speaks about his ideology, about liskov’s ideology, few people notice this, but this is a very important detail when in england he shows a flea and the english say: my god, how did you manage, yes, what should be small nails, okay, a small horseshoe, but the nails are even smaller , then one of the creators of this flea comes up to him and quietly says: this is all good, of course, dear russian master, but she danced with us, but she can’t dance with you, yes , because you upset the balance, yes, the balance of power, more than once you made incorrect, but engineering calculations, and that is, he says, the whole idea was that the blah is dancing, doing different steps, but you just stand there, therefore leskov took this legend as a huge compliment to the russian people, he nevertheless adds in his craving for dualism, he does not add that it was necessary to do this, this dualism, this desire on the one hand to praise on
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the other hand to criticize, in general is his creative method and i’m afraid the method of his life , and he always tried to express mutually opposite points , this is very interesting, so at first liberals and radicals did not accept him, and after that he was rejected by conservatives, he was rejected by the oblager, you are right in saying that both of them are in in the end they said he’s not ours, this constant desire to show two views on a subject , it seems to me, determines his whole life, that is, it ’s as if he’s chasing some kind of beast that doesn’t exist, but he invents it all the time, it’s characteristic of this, by the way, this is also an episode of the enchanted wanderer; it illustrates both liskov’s method and his outlook on life. the main character tells how he curbed a wild stallion, which bit the riders’ knees and directly chewed their kneecaps, he
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says, i jumped on him there, started rub dough into his eyes, which looks strange, and he has a pot of dough in his hand, he breaks it on the horse’s forehead, begins to rub the dough, at this time the whip whips him in every possible way, and by the way, a direct obvious metaphor, he looked for quite a long time obviously , to show. the power of the people, that is, they cover the people's eyes with dough, at the same time they whip him, the people humble themselves, then he says a very short remark, but he resigned himself, but then really quickly... he died, why, they ask him, he was proud, yeah, that's it , so when an englishman, english the dressage trainer asks him what his secret was, now i’m talking about liskov’s method, so what was your secret, then - the hero flyagin says, so there is no secret, but there really is no secret, and people are passengers on this the couple asks flyagin, would you sell him this secret, what would it be like, he says, yes, of course you would sell it, but it wasn’t there, but the englishman says: he thought that i had such a cunning russian cunning and
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says: give me some rum let's drink, they went with him to a tavern, got drunk on rum, when the englishman thought when his interlocutor was quite drunk, he began to ask him again, what is your secret? the hero is no longer able to speak, because they drank a lot, he decided to show, he bulged his eyes at the englishman, gritted his teeth, scared, made an aggressive face, for lack of a pot of dough, he grabbed a glass of rum, this heavy tumbler and swung it, the englishman, thinking that his death had come, he simply ran away, uh-huh, here we are right here and we see that there are two sides, yes, there is a conflict of interests between them, as it were, but the englishman believes that there is a conflict of interest, but the russian says no, i really don’t know, this struggle with a non-existent enemy seems to me to be a very accurate image of liskov’s own behavior in life in his texts. this podcast is a must-read,
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yaglaya nabatnikova, today we are talking about nikolai liskov, his stories and stories with andrei gelasimov. why do directors love to film leskovo so much, here you are andrey, also a theater director by training, yes, tell me why you think this material is asking for the hands of directors, and what is so attractive about liskov, you know, everything is very simple here, because, as we said at the beginning of the conversation, he is not a writer of the first rank, since there were great contemporaries , he was lucky like few authors, he created several household heroes who are cult and remain later, that is, tolstoy has a whole series of them, and there is anna karenina, i don’t know, natasha rostova, fyodor mikhailovich has such characters like radion romanovich raskolnikov, svidrigailov and so on, that is, despite... his eccentric work with language, he managed to find and pull out of
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oblivion a couple of characters who remained iconic, this is, first of all, katerina izmailova from ledit tsensky district, lefty, whom any a child that any child knows at school and so on, here he managed to do this, and the directors feel this fat, fat, absolutely right, they fall for this temptation and think, now he yes, well, katya izmayilova fell in love with a killer yes. well in general, blood flowed like a river, this is good material for art, passion, of course, of course, yes, they also start killing there, father-in-law, husband, nephew, and in the end she also jumped into the volga with her homewrecker, hugging her, everyone of course says , yes, we have the material, everything, but it almost never works out, at least in cinematography it doesn’t work out due to incorrect calibration. degree of conventionality, because it is interesting, it is impossible to realistically imagine such
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a story, and even impossible, cinema assumes strictly psychological and strictly, most often realistic, if this is not an arthouse hard, realistic depiction of a character’s behavior, liskovoy’s heroes don’t behave like that at all, this is impossible, he does it in the sense of whether they behave unrealistically or not absolutely, he makes it deep, then there it turns out, he cannot be a master of psychological portrait, what he relies on. he can make an ancient tragedy, and lady macbeath is, in principle , quite a sophocal, whatever you want, shakespeare, in fact, yes, since lady magbeth, although he did not come up with this name, it was an allusion to turgeniev’s story, the hamlet of the shchegrov district, that is, here the story was written a little earlier and was famous, and here again he plays in reflected light, which was the period of ileskov, but his story becomes more famous, than, of course, they have already forgotten here, tashchegrovsky district, and he was just a literary game with a name, but for him
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it was more accurate, and so, if we go to some i don’t know, film adaptations or visual staging of his work, then this can only be with a high degree conventions, let's say a plasticine cartoon, where, where is the plasticine lady please, please, that's where these characters appear right on the go, or it should generally be a puppet theater, that is, a nativity scene, that 's very interesting, a look at liskov, it would seem like that . which this performer of roles is holding above his head, this is what he will hold katerina izmailova and here her husband and them... will perform, this will be , well, done with the required degree of organicity, corresponding to the text, when in the cinema the actress is psychologically preparing for this murders, loses, so natalya andreichenko played for roman balayan, but why does liskov have such an image of a soil activist, a populist, yes, if he is so, in fact
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the author of the postmodern method, the populist’s herm stuck to him, exactly because of his experiments in area of language, that is, what he leaned on. as if in the folk language, i still emphasize, this is not quite a folk language , people don’t speak like that, but it was extremely important to him, in some essay from paris, he very proudly wrote that i speak russian i didn’t study it from conversations with st. petersburg drivers, by the way, but i paid attention to this, because there is a whole genre of conversation with taxi drivers, it still exists and existed then, i know people from conversations with a cab driver. but he had in mind precisely his major opponents, dostoevsky, tolstoy, like, these people, they are terribly far from the people, yes, as hertsov said, but look, here he fell into a trap that he did not expect, yes it is, and for the 19th century, it probably looked like this, but
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the fact is that later social the structure of the state and society, if he could then reproach his contemporaries for being far from the people, and he was closer to them , yes, then later, literature itself became the people, writers became from the people, they no longer needed to study this language, the whole century - these are writers and there are people, starting with maxim gorkov, and then this game became extremely archaic, this podcast is a must -read, blaming the attackers, my guest today is andrei gelasimov, writer, screenwriter, we are talking about nikolai liskov, how it happened in general, his... life, that is, this work as an official, yes, where he worked in some criminal chamber, maybe this also gave him material, or, well, in general, some kind of slightly strange fate, yes, here is such a person, it seems like he’s a nobleman, he seems to be from the people, it seems like a writer, he seems to be a person without education, that is, like this, but
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a nobleman is still one of the new nobles, his father, the rank of nobleman, yeah, yeah, that’s not these are not the hereditary nobles who were with the ruyks before peter, yeah. that's all, i think it was in the family, that’s why he didn’t finish his studies, because the family was quite successful, he could leave the gymnasium, because he understood that he wouldn’t disappear, he didn’t have to make his way on his own, his father was a fairly large official, and therefore, in general, he could find a job in life, he settled down like that, that is, he went to kiev as a young man, lived with his uncle, his uncle is a professor at the kiev medical institute, these are generally serious people, very significant in society, and he became the boss there, that is, it is clear that not without... uncle, yeah, that is, he has no education, which means he’s a clerk , as i understand it, it’s like the passport office now, from where, by the way, he flies out with a bang because he wrote some essay that he didn’t like to his colleagues, as they write, they kind of set him up to initiate the bribe case, i don’t know whether there was a bribe or not, but he lost his place, went to his other
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relatives, began to live with his aunt’s husband, an englishman named schcott, work in his trading house, he was engaged in business, and liskov is now... about 30 years old, begins to travel all over the country as a sales agent, and here he also collects a lot of material, including criminal characters, that is, the family played a very big role and i think not always positive, because if he, like maxim gorky, made his way on his own, was among people, and came out of people, and achieved his own success, then this success would be more justified and would give him more reasons, reasons to believe in himself, not to be nervous and do everything fine, but he was very hardworking, he created a lot, wrote a lot, that is, it turns out, after all, these internal conflicts, they did not prevent him from being productive, yes, thank god, the legacy is very large, he really worked a lot, although i read somewhere about his work, about how he treated it, payment for this work, including, and
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when he wrote the story sealed or the sealed angel, i don’t know how i think sealed, that’s when he wrote it, they bought it from him for 500 rubles seems like a lot of money, but he writes: i grinded this out for six months, and 500 rubles for six months is not very much, you get tired of grinding, this word grinding also tells us how long, attention, he bothered with all these waterproof cables, and expectations, that is, every time he had to sit down and grind this the text instead of telling a story, the fact of the matter is that dostoevsky, he earned his bread from this literature, and maybe that’s why he actually has such voluminous texts, yes, because he sits like an artist and grinds out words. just a life situation, well, there was little money when in my opinion, he got a job at the ministry of education at the end
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of his life, and there he determined what books could be printed for public libraries, his salary was 100 rubles a year, well, do the math, he earned 500 rubles in six months for angel, and here 100 rubles, this was really a little money, and why can we say that gorky gave a second life to liskov, that is, liskov could have gotten lost and become some kind of... intermediate literature, yes, but gorky pulled him out, already yes in the 20th century, paying attention to liskov’s legacy, that is what role did gorky play, what do they have in common? he smiled exactly according to what we were talking about, the state system has changed, the civilizational model has changed. the people became nominally the ruler of the state, bitter, as the main proletarian writer, he needed to find
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some tradition in the 19th century, which he would like would continue, yeah, that is, this is an interesting fact , you know, and then he says, look, this man spoke in the people 's language, wrote about people's heroes, about people's problems, about people's problems, moreover, he came up with a certain cruel merchant's wife, attention, exploiter of the working people, who is also a murderer, and also terrible, and so on, and all this, i think, coincided with ideology, with state policy, so the century directly helped him, but note, andrei, that gorky himself is not as popular as liskov, that is probably, if we now compare the extent of gorky’s legacy, it has fallen somewhere into oblivion, although it would seem that in soviet times he was, well , he had the greatest power there, in culture. layer, yes, but for some reason liskov remained and is still relevant, this is a question of linking to
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modernity, bitterly all his capital, all his investments that he had, artistic, investments of talent, he invested everything in the theme of revolution, then won a lot in terms of success, yes, stalin favored him, the proletarian press and so on, because he is the singer of the revolution, the singer of the common people, but it just so happened, excuse me, that the revolution lost its relevance, and with the collapse. soviet union, with the movement of history, leskov did not become attached to a specific historical and , moreover, political event, which ultimately played on his posthumous success, he simply described these people, well, you see, it turns out that at the moment, well, when he lived and worked, it turns out that this was his disadvantage, he was not recognized anywhere, because he did not belong to any political camp, it is impossible for him it was formatted, yes, in the end after a century. said that this is precisely its advantage, i’ll explain now, it was impossible, not only, not only to format it, but the main thing was that it was impossible to use it for specific
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political purposes, well, yes, and this often lifts writers to the top, then it raised it now, with bitter it was, and with other writers and so on, so he in no way suited the party to raise him to the shield to say, lenin said, literature should be party, either party or not at all, that is, it should express the interests... of some political group, but liskov does not, but if we are talking about playing the long game, then he won, because no one remembers what political battles were like at the end of the 19th century, no one already doesn’t even remember the beginning of the 20th century, soon everyone will forget the battles of the early twenties, leskov will stay, he will stay for a long time, he won, he tried to make political statements, apparently realizing that he couldn’t keep up... with the steamship of modernity, yes, the steam is floating away somewhere... that
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means he says: and i’m here, and sometimes, it means that he spoke out before his death, there he is literally releasing a collection of very critical texts in relation to russian reality, that is, he has a story there, a pen, where he laughs at those people who propose isolating themselves from russia, because he has our own special path, ours, here we are on our own, we don’t need any western european states, we... are all on our own, and he ridicules this and gives the example of just this husband, his aunt shcott, for whom he worked sales agent, he tells stories about him that either in the sixties or in the seventies , this same shkott tried to introduce efficient land use for his peasants, they plowed with a wooden plow, and he brought them british plows, everything happened further, shkott went to count prirovs . who was lev perovsky, and he was the minister of appanages, as far as i remember, and the minister of internal affairs, he knew him, came to him and said: here - mr. count, we
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came up with such a thing there, he went to look and said : amazing, indeed, everything, i forbid sakha, and he, how to say, did not own, but administered all the appanage peasants of russia. the ministry of appanages is the ministry that dealt with the affairs of the romanov family. all the peasants who belonged to the romanovs were called appanage peasants. and pirovsky said: i think, he says , i’ll transfer all the appanage peasants to these british plows. that is, imagine what kind of budget such a state government would have. b allocated to this thing. perovsky thought it was a good idea, but this moment when all this. so he says you like these foreign plows, he says yes, you like it, but you don’t, he says, well, whatever you say, say you like it, you will like it, he says don’t tell me your opinion - the count tells him so and he says, but my opinion is where they came from -he says, well, from england, he says from the germans, therefore, i am now quoting verbatim from the germans, therefore, he says, well, that means from
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the germans, then this old man says christian , that means, from where they buy bread from us, so, that is, they cannot make so much bread on their plows, but they buy from us, and we make it on plows, and so, this is interesting, how do you like the logic, so if he says, we will change to them, this old man says, we- then where will we buy bread? attention, litskov further writes in his story as a corral, perovsky did not find a witty answer, because well, this is brilliant, he was driven, he is a corral. when he arrived, and standing next to him, an official of his administration, yes, they listened, looked, they listened to it, looked, they brought this joke to st. petersburg and he dispersed, everyone began to laugh at count perovsky and then he, realizing that he had become a laughing stock, forbade shcott to introduce british plows, and liskov tells this story, then he brings an even more terrible one, he says: shkot built stone houses for these peasants, they
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lived in huts where there was no chimney, they walked, walked, they say, our grandfathers... didn’t live in stone and we won’t, stone doesn’t breathe, yeah, only wood breathes, of course, yes, they stayed in their tree, and as liskov writes, very rather rudely he writes, harshly, that they used stone houses to go there before the wind, as outhouses, he says the village smelled terrible, he is always looking for an object for a critical attack in all camps, he says, this is in all directions , yes, this is wrong with you, this is wrong with you, here they are like this, the main thing for him is that there is an angle of attack. that’s what lisk needs, that you don’t need to clean your gun with a brick, find some guy in lefty, but at the end he inserts yes, that lefty says the british don’t clean their guns with bricks, he’s like that in a way accuses the russian ministry, then called the war ministry, the ministry of defense, that they were not prepared for the crimean company, and in 1854, that everything happened like this because of you, and there count chernyshov,
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the minister of war, was very negative in this sense, the character who speaks should not tell anyone about it, but i don’t know, by the way, how technically, engineering or military he was and knew why we really had a problem with guns, but i, because the he also worked for cinema and himself wrote something about the defense of sevastopol, i know for sure, he either guessed right, or i don’t know, someone told him, the point is not that you can’t clean with bricks, the point is that the british arrived to the crimean peninsula, all literally with rifled weapons, they had fittings in which there was rifling... weapons, which made it possible to shoot three to four times further than we shot with unrifled ones. we had a smooth-bore gun, the bullet flew much closer, because of this the rifle teams were getting close to a distance, uh, that was not russian guns fired and fired from this distance, interrupted the servants of our artillery batteries, that is, the artillery could not even respond with shell fire,
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because they fired much further, in the memories of, say, one... participant in the sevastopol defense, i read that one day some midshipman, crying from powerlessness that they were being shot, said in a stone, guys, they grabbed the cobblestones and ran towards shtutsernikov, the problem with shtutsernikov was that it was necessary to reload it from the barrel, the weapon was passed back, they loaded it from behind, the charged stuff was transferred from there, and it means that while it was being transferred, the russian sailors managed to run with stones and cobblestones to the fittings and killed them with these. i read this in the memoirs of a veteran, so he took it into the mythological plane, saying that weapons cannot be cleaned with bricks, but in fact the problem was technical, engineering, we did not have rifled weapons, and after the defeat in the sevastopol company, reform really began in the army and quite quickly we had modern rifles, but liskov turns out to be strong in legends and tales, well, yes, you can call it that way, he at least
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always strives for a myth, for some kind of parable, of course he always enters the parable space there and there he is the absolute king, that is, if among our viewers there are people who like unrealistic space, and... symbolic, full of parable allegories, then liskov, of course, is their writer, especially if they like funny games with words, cool, thank you very much for the conversation, andrey, it was very interesting, it seems to me that we took a slightly different look at the classic leskov and his symbolic space, this was a must-read podcast, i am glananiki, my guest was andrei gelasimov, a writer, we talked about nikolai liskov, an underrated classic russian
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literature. you are watching the podcast precious stories, me, its host ekaterina varkan, and today our guest is people’s artist of the rsfey petrovich nikonenko, but in addition to the fact that our favorite actor, a wonderful one, is also a big admirer of sergei alexandrovich yesenin i put a lot of effort into preserving his memory, and i know sergei petrovich that you were in konstantinov many times and i was too, i remember how i was there as a little girl, i came for the first time, my parents brought me, all the girls love yesenin, so i come out to this beautiful shore, i see aku, i understand why he wrote such poems, only there it was possible, in fact... i came to konstantinovo during the filming of a film about yesenin and when we arrived i went out
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for a walk and went outside the church and it’s just starting to rise towards me a boy of 10-11 years old with a broken face bleeding, simply right there in front of my eyes i remember the meeting with my frightened mother, i muttered through a bloody mouth, nothing, i tripped over a stone, so tomorrow everything will heal, i asked him, boy, what are you doing, where did you hit yourself, so he says, yes, on a bicycle he decided to slide down this steep slope, but it ’s simply impossible, it’s so cool there, this steep slope is so incredible, well, this is the first impression, and of course, this open space, which ... it was probably there that sergei alexandrovich gave birth to the lines: goy, you are russia
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my dear, huts in the vestments of the image, no end in sight, only the blue sucks the eyes, well , we went there many times later, once there was a wonderful incident, we went there with andrei geogrivich bitov, and he sat down near the church, you know the pebble very well , he sits, meditates also, yes, 5 minutes pass 10. he sits, 40 minutes pass, we say something happened, we approach him, touch him so carefully, and he looks up and says: this is how you wake up as a primary teacher school in konstantinov, he says, and then we went to drink tea in the house of the landowner kashnoy, which has now become a house, a house of literary museum, anna snegin is one of the first museums of literary characters. in russia and met the main curator of konstantinov, lidia alekseevna arkhipova, so we were sitting on the balcony in the museum, which means this
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is just the anna snegina museum, the former estate of kashina, so we sat and talked, and there were also our friends, actors, and there weren’t enough stools to read poetry, because everyone wanted to, so to speak, climb on and... understood something about russia here, well, we are talking, it means, over a cup of tea, and lydia alekseevna suddenly says to us: do you remember this story, that there was some kind of ring that the empress gave to sergei alexandrovich, we say, well, yes, we remember rings with an emerald in our memories, that means , well, it seems, well, so that no one would see it, hear it, she says, this is reality, the legend is becoming reality, there is a ring, we say, how can this not be, in great amazement, well, in fact, this is the story of this ring , so to speak, let's start the suleed, but the first world war began in
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in the fourteenth year, everyone began to be called up to the front in the sixteenth year yesenin was called up, but with the help of defenders, assistants and so on, he did not get to the front on the front line, thanks to rasputin, well , thanks to various well-wishers, so to speak, mainly raspotin , he served, uh, as an orderly in tsarsko-selo military sanitary train 143, her imperial majesty, empress alexandrna fedorn, in the same sixteenth year it is known that he went to the marthmarine monastery, which visited elizabeth feodorovna, and there he also received gifts from her, dear ones, the gospel from the library and the icon of sergius of radnizh, who these memorials are now kept in the museum, we know, yes, and we saw them when we visited there, so to speak, this one here icon and in the sixteenth year, on the name day, maria fedovna, the dowager empress and - the great book...
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a concert was organized in the fedorovsky town, where the infirmary was located, at which yesenin was, so to speak, assigned, and yesenin was invited there, among others famous people to perform at this concert, so he read poetry, read his russia, maybe some fragment, sergiy petrovich, you will remember from the repertoire that alexander read, well, he could have read probably the same poems that he read to the block, let's say, play and play the talyanochka, raspberry bymikha, come out to meet the bells, the beauty of the groom, the heart glows with cornflowers, the birch tree burns in it, i play the talyanyanochka about blue eyes, you see, and this or it smells like loose, wanked, at the threshold there are two lines in the box , and
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it’s already clear what wonderful food they had peasants, jerked off - this is a very tasty food, i often visited the village as a child, every morning, this is lard, potatoes, onions and many, many broken eggs, not eggs, but an omelet with milk, mixed eggs were poured in, this was jerked off , also with kvass, yes, what are you talking about, but the memories of sergei alexandrovich. concerns the poem rus. and he noticed that the empress , after reading these poems, told him that, sad poems, very, beautiful, but sad, i answered her that this is all of our russia, for this speech, which made a strong impression, yesenin was granted a gold watch by the empress, alexandra feodorovna, but the gold watch did not reach him; according to version, it remained in the pocket
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of a certain colonel loman, who was then the commandant of the infirmary in the fedorovsky town, but the emerald ring, which was also granted, was still it dawned on him, he received it, it’s interesting that in fact there was such a tradition of the emperor paying a salary for some merits, a cultural figure, namely persney, and, for example, there, karamzin received a persen for the history of the russian state, gnedich for... the iliad, that means zhukovsky, for all the merits and upbringing of the tsarevich, yes, these rings, by the way, they were entered into the official’s form, they were considered a separate reward, the empresses gave simpler rings, not with diamonds, but with simpler ones stones, a simple pebble, yes, but in any case, so to speak, one way or another, yusei was on the ring, but no one had ever seen him. and he somehow didn’t talk about it, maybe in
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soviet times there was no need to advertise imperial gifts, so to speak, maybe yes, but i have a feeling that he didn’t really like jewelry, at least not in any of the photographs, no rings, yes, he had a bow tie, a top hat, he had a pipe, he had a cigarette, and such things, they usually, if you love, yes, then you are somehow trying to show, here you should say in words, on july 17 of the sixteenth year, when yesen was serving in the hospital as a nurse, this commandant loman called him and said: “on the 22nd, come to us the tsar's daughters, sisters of mercy, are coming to work again, they should be greeted
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with welcoming verses, sit down, walk. yesenin wrote, but in my opinion these verses are simply prophetic and when they arrived on the 22nd of july, note that july 17 is a difficult day, exactly 2 years later, day after day on the night of the 17th, they will be brutally killed in the basement of the patiev house in the city of yekaterinburg , here they arrived, four slender, thin ones in white clothes, well , birch trees, birches, and he greets everyone with a welcoming glow... bogrom's glow, the sunset effervescent and foamy, white birches, burning in their crowns, greetings... my poem of young princesses and meekness young in their tender hearts, where the shadows pale and sorrowful torment, and not to the one who went to suffer for us, they stretch out their royal hands, blessing their future hour of life, on
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a white bed, in the bright glare of light, the one whose life they want to return is sobbing, the walls of the infirmary tremble with pity that they constricts the chest, pulls them closer and closer with an irresistible hand to where death puts its seal on the forehead. oh, pray, saint magdalene, for their fate. you are watching the podcast precious stories, i am its host, ekaterina. arkan, i am supported today by the people's artist, sergei petrovich nikanenko, and we are talking about sergei seninin, interesting things that accompanied his life. we continue our conversation about the ring, here ledia alekseevna we are still sitting, drinking tea on
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the balcony, so she says that just imagine, a few years ago, um, well, when this museum was already being organized, anna snegina suddenly appeared the news that not far from konstantinovo there is, so to speak, this ring, this ring was brought by a second cousin, maria kanatopova, yesenin’s second cousin, and said that in the twenty-fourth year yesenin came to konstantinovo went for a walk in klepik , to introduce himself, so to speak, in full glory, and passed by the village of kobylinko, where maria lived, it turned out that maria was getting married, he did not have a gift. and he gave her this ring as a gift, out of generosity, he didn’t know how to limit himself, but on the other hand, he could get rid of it because it can’t be worn , it’s impossible to show, you know, but it came from the royal right hand, so we took a photo of this
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ring, that is, this is practically the first amateur photo not very good quality, but it’s just on those pianos, and that means they carried out an examination there, naturally, there is the coat of arms of the royal family, the crown, the royal, well, the imperial master, but unfortunately, the emerald turned out to be chrysoprase, but for us it’s a ring, so to speak, oh well , yes, well, not such an expensive stone, yes, but for us it doesn’t matter at all, because what matters is the very fact of finding this memorial thing, amazing, in yesenin’s hands, yes, that’s it... he was her carried it in my pocket along with a cookie, you know, my god, my god, actually speaking, this cabochon cut is round, it is usually done on not very high-quality stones in order to hide cracks, so maybe, so to speak, it was not immediately determined whether it was an emerald or chorisoprase, but the examination
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determined it, everything was confirmed, so to speak, maria ivanovna lived a long life, so in ninety-three she came to the museum and offered this ring... the museum and some collectors found out and offered money, but she said that she still wanted this thing to be in the museum, she sold, for some ridiculous money, as they told me then, two or three kilograms, sterlidi, the price , well, even now sterlid is more expensive, but in principle it would be enough for you and me, and rummage through our pockets, here, but now is the time.. ... still preserved, technical progress, preserved for us another such miracle , but besides, so to speak, some things that are convenient for us, whoever dared, uh, made recordings of his voice at the beginning of the 20th century, who dared in
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