[000:00:00;00] in his craving for dualism, he does not add that, whether it was necessary to do it, this dualism, this desire on the one hand to praise on the other hand to criticize, in general is his creative method and i’m afraid the method of his life, but he always strived to expressing mutually opposing points, which is precisely why liberals and radicals did not accept him at first, and after that he was rejected by conservatives, he was rejected by the oblages, you correctly say that both of them... in the end they said, he is not ours, this is a constant desire, show two views the subject, it seems to me, determines his whole life, that is, it is as if he is chasing some beast that does not exist, but he always invents it, this, by the way, is also characterized by an episode of an enchanted wanderer, it illustrates both liskov’s method and his view for life, the main character tells how he curbed a wild stallion who bit

the riders’ knees straight... chewed their kneecaps, he says: i jumped on him there, began to rub dough into his eyes, which looks strange, and what does he have in hand a pot of dough, he breaks it on the horse's forehead, begins to rub the dough, at this time the kick whips him in every possible way, yeah, which by the way is a direct obvious metaphor, he was looking for quite a long time obviously to show the image of the interaction of the power of the people, yeah, that is, here they cover people's eyes with dough, and at the same time they whip them, people. then he says a very short remark, but he measured himself, but then he really died quickly, why - they ask him, he was proud, yeah, so, when an englishman, an english dressage trainer, asks him, in what was his secret, now i’m talking about liskov’s method, what was your secret, then the hero of flyagin says, so there is no secret, but there really is no secret, and sometimes people drink, they

went with him to a tavern, got drunk. and when the interlocutor began to ask him again: the englishman considered him quite drunk , what is your secret? the hero, no longer able to speak, because they had drunk a lot, decided to show him, he bulged his eyes at the englishman, gritted his teeth, was scared, made an aggressive face, and, numb, grabbed the pot of dough a glass of rum, this heavy tumbler and swung it, the englishman, thinking that his death had come, simply ran away. yeah, right here we see that there are two sides, yes, there is a conflict of interests between them, as it were, but the englishman believes that there is a conflict of interests, and the russian says: no, i really don’t know, this is a fight with a non-existent enemy and there is, it seems to me, a very accurate image of liskov’s own behavior in life in his texts. this podcast is a must read,

i am aglaina batnikova, today we are talking about nikolai leskov and his novels and stories with andrei gelasimov, why directors love to film leskov so much, here you are andrei , also a director by training, a theater director, yes, tell me what you think, why this particular material is asking for the hands of directors, and what there is something attractive about liskov, you know, everything here is very simple, despite the fact that, as you and i said at the beginning of the conversation, he is not a writer of the first rank, since there were great contemporaries there, he was lucky... like few authors, he created several household heroes who are cult and remain later, that is, tolstov has a whole series of them, and there is anna karenina, i don’t know natasha rostova, fyodor mikhailovich has characters like radion romanovich raskolnikov, svidrigailov, and so on further, that is, despite his eccentric work with language, he managed to find and pull out of

oblivion a couple of characters who... this is, first of all, katerina izmailova from lady magbe of the tsensky district, a left-hander, whom any a child that any child knows at school and so on, here he managed to do this, and the directors feel this fat, yes fat, absolutely, they fall for this temptation and think, now he, well, katya izmayilova fell in love, fell in love , that means there is some kind of carnal passion, just such a passion, well, this is good material for the art of passion, of course. and they also start killing her father-in-law, husband, nephew there, in general, blood flowed like a river, at the end she also jumped into the volga with her homewrecker, hugging her, everyone of course says, yes, we have the material, everything, but it almost never works out, at least in cinema it doesn’t work out due to the incorrect calibration of the degree of convention, because it’s interesting, it’s impossible to realistically imagine such a story, and it’s even

impossible, cinema assumes... strictly psychological and strictly most often realistic, unless this is an arthouse hard, realistic depiction of a character’s behavior, liskovoy’s characters don’t behave like that at all, it’s impossible. that is, in the sense that they behave unrealistically or not at all he makes it look popular, that is, he turns out he can’t be a master of a psychological portrait, what the director relies on, he can’t , he can make an ancient tragedy and lady macbeth , in principle, yes, he’s completely sophisticated , he’s all that he wants shakespeare, actually , since lady magbeth, although he didn’t invent this name was an allusion to the story of turgenev's hamletsgrove district, that is, here the story was written a little earlier and was famous, and here again he plays in reflected light, which was natureskov, but his story becomes more famous than of course, they’ve already forgotten here, they’ve forgotten, no one remembers hameltar’s district, but he was just a literary game with the name, but for him it

was more accurate, so - if i go to some, i don’t know, film adaptation or visual staging of his work, then this can only be with a high degree of convention, say a plasticine cartoon, where where, lady plasticine please, please, that's where right. as you go , these characters appear, or it should generally be a puppet theater, that is, a nativity scene, here very interesting, a look at liskov, it would seem that he is some kind of documentary and not , here are the characters in the nativity scene, who are held by this one - the performer of the roles above his head, this is he who will hold katerina izmailova, and here is her husband and their murder will commit, it will be done with the required degree of organicity corresponding to the text, when in a movie an actress... logically prepares for these murders, loses, so natalya andreichenko played for roman balayan, and why does liskov have such an image at the same time as a soil activist, a populist , yes, if he is so

in fact, the author of the postmodern method, the populist’s term stuck to him, exactly because of his experiments in the field of language, that is , the fact that he relied, as if on the folk language, i still emphasize, this is not quite a folk language, so people don’t say, but it was extremely important to him. in some essay from paris, he very proudly wrote that i didn’t learn the russian language from conversations with st. petersburg taxi drivers, by the way, yes, i paid attention to this, because there is a whole genre of conversation with a taxi driver, it still exists and existed then i know the people from conversations with cab drivers, yes, but he was referring specifically to his major opponents, turgenev, dostoevsky, tolstoy, etc. these people are terribly far away, they are from the people, like yes, as herzon said, but look, here he fell into a trap that he did not expect, yes it is, and for the 19th century, it probably looked like this, but the point is , that later the social structure

of the state and society changed, if he could then reproach his contemporaries for being far from the people, and he was closer to them, yes, then later, literature itself became the people, writers became from the people, they no longer needed to study the language, the entire 20th century, these writers are the people, starting with maxim gorkov. and then this game became extremely archaic. this podcast is a must read. i'm aglaikova. my guest today is andrei gelasimov, writer, screenwriter. we are talking about nikolai liskov , how his life went in general, that is, this work as an official, yes, where he worked in some criminal chamber, maybe this also gave him material, or in general. some kind of strange fate, but such a person seems a nobleman seems to be from the people, a writer seems to be a person without education, that is, a nobleman is still one of the new nobles, his father chin earned

a noble title, these are not hereditary nobles who were before peter at the ryuks, i think it was all about the family, that’s why he didn’t finish his studies, because the family was quite successful, he could have quit gymnastics. because he understood that he would not be lost, he did not need to break through on his own. my father was a fairly large official, and therefore, in general, he could to settle down in life, that’s how he settled down, that is, he went to kiev as a young man, lived with his uncle, his uncle was a professor at the kiev medical institute, some essay that his colleagues didn’t like, well, as they write, they kind of set him up to initiate a case about bribe, i don’t know whether it was a bribe or not , but he lost his place, went to his other relatives, began to live with his mother-in-law’s husband... an englishman named shcott began to work in his trading house, he was engaged in business, and liskov, to him at this moment about 30 years old, starting travel all over the country, obviously as a sales agent, and here he also collects a lot of material, including a criminal nature, that is, the family

played a very big role and i think not always positive, because if he, like maxim gorky, had made his way on his own , if you were among people, and came out of people, and if you achieved your own success, then this success would be more justified for yourself. would have given him more reasons, reasons to believe in himself, not to be nervous and to do everything normally, but he was very hardworking, he created a lot, i wrote a lot, that is, it turns out, after all, these are internal. conflicts, they did not prevent him from being productive, yes, thank god, the legacy is very large, he really worked a lot, although somewhere i read from him about his work and how he treated it, including payment for this work, and when he wrote the story sealed, or sealed angel, i don’t know what i think , sealed, that’s when he wrote it, they bought it from him for 500 rubles, it sounds like a lot of money, but he writes: i grinded it out six months, and 500 rubles for six months is not very much.

you get tired of grinding, this word grinding also tells us how long , attention, he bothered with all these waterproof cables and expectations, that is, every time he had to sit down and grind this text instead of telling the story, so in that - the fact of the matter is that dostoevsky, he earned his bread from this literature, and maybe that’s why he actually had such voluminous texts, and that they paid for the number of words, and liskov has another source of income, he official. and accordingly, he treats literature as art, he sits and grinds out words, but this is just another life situation, well, there was little money when , in my opinion, he got a job at the ministry of education at the end of his life, and there he determined which books you can print for public libraries, his salary was set at 100 rubles a year, well, just do the math, that’s a little 500 rubles he earned for an angel in six months, and here 100 rubles was really a little. why is it possible

to say, gorky gave a second life to liskov, that is, liskov could have gotten lost and become some kind of intermediate literature, yes, but gorky pulled him out, already in the 20th century, paying attention to liskov’s legacy, that is, what role gorky played, what in general they have in common, you know, as far as i remember, for example, when lady macbeth in the tsensky district this point was published, it did not attract the attention of the public at all, it was simply not noticed, i think here is liskov’s posthumous fate for him... exactly because what we talked about has changed the state system, the civilizational model has changed, the people have become nominally the ruler of the state, bitter, as the main proletarian writer, he needed to find some tradition in the 19th century, which he would kind of continue, yeah, this is an interesting fact, you know, and then he says, look, here is a man speaking in the people's language, writing about people's heroes, about people's problems, about people's problems, moreover, he was thinking about some

cruel merchant's wife, attention, exploiter of the working people, who is also a murderer, to also terrible and so on, and i think all this coincided with ideology , with state policy, so the 20th century directly helped him, but note andrei that gorky himself is not as popular as liskov, that is , probably, if you compare now, how much gorky’s legacy fell somewhere into oblivion, if he had been in soviet times, well, he had the greatest power there, in the cultural layer, yes, but for some reason liskov remained and is still relevant, this is a question of linking with modernity, bitter all your capital, all your investments, what he had an artistic investment of talent, he invested everything in the theme of the revolution and then he won a lot in terms of success, yes, stalin favored him, the proletarian press

and so on, because he is the singer of the revolution. leskov did not become attached to a specific historical and, moreover, political event, which ultimately played a role in his posthumous success, he simply described these people, well, you see, it turns out that at the moment, well, when he lived and worked, it turns out that this was his disadvantage, he was not recognized anywhere because he did not... kill himself to any political camp, it was impossible to format it, yes , in the end a century later it turned out that this was precisely its advantage, i’ll explain now, it was impossible, not only not even to format the table, it was impossible to use it for specific political purposes, well, yes , and this often raises writers to the top, then it raised it now, it was the same with gorky, with other writers and so on, so he was in no way suitable for any political party to raise him to the shield. say ha-hey, lenin

said literature should be party, either party , or not at all, that is, it should express the interests of some political group, but liskov turns out not to be, but if we are talking about playing the long game, then he won, because no one remembers what there were political battles at the end of the 19th century, no one even remembers the beginning of the 20th century, soon everyone will forget the battles of the beginning of the twenty- first, liskov will remain with his lefty. and i’m here and he sometimes spoke out before his death there, literally, he’s releasing a collection of uh, very critical texts on in relation to russian reality, that is, he has a story there , where he laughs at those people who propose to isolate themselves from russia, because it has its own special path, ours, here we are on our own, we don’t need any

western european states , we are all ourselves, he ridicules this and gives the example of just this husband, his aunt schcott. for whom he worked as a sales agent, he tells stories about him, that either in the sixties or in the seventies, schcott, this same one, tried to introduce effective, land use for their peasants, they plowed wooden plows, and he brought them british plows, what happened next, schcott went to count perovsky, he was lev perovsky, and he was the minister of appanages, as far as i remember, and the minister of internal affairs, he knew with him. came to him and said: here is mr. count, we came up with such a thing there, he went to look and said, it’s wonderful, really, everything, i forbid sakha, and he, how to say, did not own, but administered all the appanage peasants of russia. the ministry of destinations is the ministry that dealt with the affairs of the romanov family. all the peasants who belonged to the romanovs were called

appanage peasants. and perovsky said: i think, he says, i’ll transfer all the appanage peasants to these british plows, that is , imagine what kind of budget such a state would have... not a bad idea, but at this moment, when all this is happening, a certain peasant comes out, as liskov writes and says: “father, let me turn to count perovsky, he tells you, he likes these plows, foreign ones, he says, yes, you like it, but don’t you, he says, well, whatever you say, say, you like it, you will like it, he says, no, no, tell me your opinion, the count tells him, so does he he says, but my opinion is, where did they come from, he says, well, from england, he says, from the germans, therefore." i’m quoting verbatim now, from the germans, therefore, he says, well, that means from the germans, then this old man says the christian: this means from where they buy grain from us, that is, they cannot use their plows make so much bread, but they buy it from us, and we make it on plows, it’s interesting, how do you like the logic, so if he says, we

’ll change to them, this old man says, where will we buy bread then, attention, litskov writes further in his story, the corral, pirovsky did not find a witty answer, because well, this is brilliant, he drove him, he drove him into a corner, and when perovsky arrived, and standing next to him, an official of his administration, yes, they listen, look, they listen to it , they look, they brought this joke to st. petersburg and it sold out, that’s it they began to laugh at count perovsky and then he, realizing that he had become a laughing stock, forbade shkot to introduce british plows, and liskov tells this story, then he brings an even more terrible one, he says, shkot built stone houses for these peasants, they lived in huts , where there was no chimney, they walked and walked, they say, our grandfathers didn’t live in stone and we won’t, stone doesn’t breathe, yeah, only wood breathes, of course, yes, they stayed in their tree, and as liskov writes, very writes quite rudely, harshly, that

they used stone houses to go there before the wind, as outhouses, he says the village smelled terrible, he is always looking for an object for a critical attack in all camps, he says that there is no need to clean the gun with a brick to find some kind of in levsha and at the end he inserts yes that livsha says the british don’t clean their guns with bricks, he thus accuses the russian ministry, it was called the war ministry, the ministry of defense, for the fact that they were not prepared for the crimean company, but in 1854 years, that this is how it all happened because of you, there chernyshov, the minister of war is portrayed as a very negative character in this sense , who says, keep quiet about it, don’t tell anyone, but i don’t know, by the way, how technically, engineeringly savvy he was or in military affairs and knew for what reason we really had a problem with guns, but i, since i worked for cinema and myself wrote something about the defense of sevastopol,

i know for sure, he either guessed right, or i don’t know who - i told him, it’s not that do not clean with a brick, the fact is that the british came to the crimean peninsula, literally all of them with rifled weapons, they had fittings in which there were rifled weapons, which made it possible to shoot three to four times further than we shot from the old ones, we had a smooth-bore gun, the bullet flew much closer, because of this, the rifle teams got to a distance that the russian guns did not hit and hit from this distance, interrupted the servants of our artillery batteries, that is, the artillery... they could even respond in response with shells by fire because they shot much further, in the memories of, say, one participant in the sevastopol defense, i read that once some midshipman, out of helplessness that they were being shot, said into the stones, guys, they grabbed the cobblestones and ran to shtutsernikov, the problem with

the shtutniks was that it was necessary to reload it from the barrel, the weapon was passed back, they loaded it from behind, the loaded one was passed from there, and that means that while it was being passed on, the russian sailors managed to run with stones and cobblestones to shtutsernikov and killed them with these stones, i read this in the memoirs of a veteran, so he took her into the mythological and plane, saying. they don’t clean with bricks, but in fact the problem was technical, engineering, we didn’t have rifled weapons, and after the defeat in the sevastopol company, reform in the army really began and quite quickly we had modern rifles, but liskov turns out to be strong in legends and stories, well yes, you can put it this way, he at least always strives for a myth, for some kind of parable, yes, of course, he always goes into the parable space, here and there he is the king, absolutely. that is, if among our viewers there are people who like non-realistic space, symbolic , full of parable allegories, then liskov

, of course, is their writer, especially if they like funny games with words, cool, thank you very much for the conversation, andrey it was very interesting , it seems to me that we took a slightly different look at the classic leskov and his symbolic space, this was a must-read podcast, i’m glaina nabatnikova, my guest was andrey gelasimov. writer, we talked about nikolai liskov, an underrated classic of russian literature. minor-key discussions about loneliness, hope and despair, unhappy love and experiences that will resonate in... every person, these songs can be considered as an expression

of the russian sad soul. hello, today we have gathered with thoughts about russian rock, as a cultural phenomenon about the spiritual search of russian musicians. hello, dear friends, vyacheslav gutusov, alexey belov, i am very glad to see you, what i read is from a modern article dedicated to russian rock. i would like to. as a warm-up question, to ask you how ready you are to agree with this, i would say that my desire now to talk about happy love is more than about unhappy love, but you are talking about now, in principle, if can we say, this is how the author of this article believes that a large segment of rock composition is an expression of the russian sad soul, alexey nikolaevich. well, in some ways he’s right, of course, because,

because if we say that - so to speak, dig deeper and say that sadness for god, that is, for god, then this is probably true , yes, well, this is the eternal state of the russian person, because he never imagines himself in some kind of ideal, so he all the time he is sad that he has not achieved something that he could have achieved, at least by looking at the icons of the saints, yes, well, that is, this sadness is not about the imperfection of the world, but in his inner state, imperfection peace, too, probably in some way, of course, because this is also sadness from a person, so he knows that when you were in paradise, everything was there, even the animals were talking there, and then here is the story twice, and what is the transition from this sadness to the joy that you just talked about, well, i would say that it was difficult -

the first man left paradise and came to this world, so to speak, to nourish it with his own efforts, of course with god’s help, but man lost a lot, including things connected with nature, with nature, yes, if there are animals in paradise him perfectly... they knew each other, they understood each other, moreover, adam was, so to speak, their patron of the earth, yes, he named names, yes, he gave them names, then as soon as he left the gate, and as soon as archangel michael closed the gate with his sword, uh, the animals stopped recognizing adam and they told him they said directly, you have lost the image of god, we don’t recognize you, they started growling at him, and they are still growling, listen, he called rock musicians, theologians came. friends, but i still want to torment you a little , you know, to ask you, maybe, to step back a little, maybe

even from your current inner experiences, although we will definitely talk about them, but i still... wanted to talk to you, you know , how in science there is such a method of included analysis, yes, when, because the scientist is usually detached, yes, included analysis is when a person himself -is involved in the process, and he describes it, right? so, you know, with the courage of an amateur i want to ask you this question, if i understand correctly , russian rock has two sources, this is english-language music, and this is russian literature and, more broadly , russian culture, that’s how far one can agree with this formulation of the question, to what extent... well, if i may say so, the russian lesson is comfortable with these two parents, well, regarding the english-speaking ability, i think alexey will tell you very well now, maybe he can say better, including rich experience, but still the russian has a hand, this is no, not a russian phenomenon, you know, the phenomenon itself is not russian, but let’s say i was lucky enough

to be friends with such a person as frank zapal. an absolutely brilliant musician, so he loved russian music enormously, for him storinsky was, that’s something there, yes, and he constantly reminded us of this, this is the second half of the 19th century, composers, those who were called a mighty bunch, especially mussorsky, who, in fact, probably inspired strovenskaya the most, in fact, even being united. states, uh, i suddenly found out that the most played composer in the world is tchaikovsky, i didn’t know before, i was so surprised, so i asked my friend who was in second place, she studied the classics, she says, in second in place is storovsky, in third place is rakhmanov, this is a playlist of classical radio

stations in america, you see, yes, that’s why, despite the fact that we took a lot from... from english-language rock, this is of course a colossal school, colossal material in its own way , depth of depth, they took a lot from our russian music, that’s why it’s all for a reason, it’s the cycle of water in nature , this is really what you remember, our beloved marina andreevna zhurinskaya wrote about rock when it’s a phenomenon of world culture, but in my opinion it’s natural , the next stage, so to speak, was generally in the development of culture, as well as what you can call it, who, so to speak, adopted it to a greater extent from whom, this is also such a complex process, it continues to some extent, and as for modern music, we can say that there everything has been very much crushed due to the influx of various

stylistics, sub-stylistics, that is, this is a branch that simply goes into music that is so specific that they, so to speak, gradually dissolve themselves in the air, because if you look at the architecture of the structure of the tree, yes, when it is first comes out into such powerful branches, then into twigs, into leaves, here the structure itself is the same, i will definitely ask about this , again with the arrogance of an amateur, but i want to return to the topic of literature, because in my understanding, russian rock is of course - inherits russian literature, i was listening to you just now, you said about literature , i remembered that dostoevsky told us about the responsiveness of russian literature, and in the famous pushkin speech, that this is the genius of pushkin, that he could be, that’s the difference that's interesting, nothing coming up with, if this theme of the responsiveness of russian literature, it is preserved in russian rock, we can say that russian rock is

responsive, but i think yes, because we are so closely connected... in general with the canons of literature, that in my opinion look, i don’t know where else , the text is so developed, for example, in combination with music, but for us this is definitely a very important thing, and you will agree, alexey nikolavich, that it seems to me that this is such a slightly clichéd perception that the russian rock is more text or is it based on text, and western on music, so i just heard the opinion that this is too much... simplified perception, especially western, there is such a thing, yes, few people know that in english there are more than 100 thousand words more than in russian , yes, shakespeare’s word is greater than pushkin’s dictionary, so, but russian rock, it’s nowhere without a word, just, you know, if there is no word, then there is no russian rock, but in english rock, the word also meant a lot, there it was conceptual and

those who used the word became cult performers. workshop of such groups like pink floyd, the same ledzelin , for example, i was a child, i did not distinguish ledzeplin from pel, i liked both, but being, already living like this, in the united states, i suddenly discovered. some gigantic giants, and depipal is such a strong pop-rock band, and when the nineties came, such a movement as alternative music appeared, there it was already impossible without the word, there everyone paid attention to the word, so although curt kaban was also there, he was chewing his words and it was not clear what he was saying, but nevertheless, they deciphered it, i just personally went through it, then people just didn’t go much deeper, so probably russian rock has a great future, when they start analyzing the whole past, very

seriously, precisely from the point of view of russian music, then they’ll dig it up of all dostoevsky, then they will be able to do something brilliantly, so i want here with you - what is the name from this place in more detail, you and i once talked about this topic and then this thought stuck with me, including sorry for its non-obviousness, yes, you said the best russian rock is ahead, and if it can be combined with the depth of dostoevsky, yes, then this will be what we are all waiting for, yes there is consistency, but how much, well, again, i don’t want to offend anyone, but here in in my understanding, but dostoevsky is this symphonic music , in any case, not necessarily, the same pink floyd is this kind of stripped-down dostoevsky, yes, yes, very fragmented, so they tried, so to speak, to dig into such philistinism, so well, actually we achieved a certain effect,

of course, worthy ones are millions of times wider, i really liked the statement, i forgot his name, this is an actor who received five or six amys, it’s like in tv series, this is such an oscar, so he came to orthodoxy, he says i opened for myself as dostoevsky, i often have to play scary people, some kind of scoundrels, so i suddenly realized that... i wrote about terrible things from a position of light, yeah, this is very difficult, this is very difficult, and this is a huge strength , for rock music this is simply a colossal field of activity, and you agree that still ahead at the russian horn? theoretically this is possible, but the way events are developing diplomatically, no, well, i ’m just watching... the way music, uh, modern, is developing, it’s quite possible that at some level it will take on

a slightly completely different leap another round will happen, and it will be a different level of quality, don’t you think that this proposal is too binding for rock music, or something, or am i wrong, in my opinion this is a good one a level that allows a person not only to develop, but even to improve in some sense, we are talking about the spirit, and so to speak, in the form of a word, a certain aesthetics of some kind, about how the thought itself is formed, yes, to what extent this is all , really deeply, regarding anything, and what is happening now, with him and gogol, pushkin, and tolstoy. in spite of everything, with gogl it’s even somehow easier for me, i can’t explain it, but just like that, intuitively, somehow it doesn’t arise for me, i don’t have anything

stands out, gogol, rock, i somehow understand all this, gogol is punk, in general, in my opinion, it has such a specific language, especially from the current point of view, and why, when i read, for example, classics, yes, literary ones, i notice how rich the language is, how everything is... carefully constructed, how everything is formulated there, gogol has a very unique language. punk among the classics. vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, i’m vladimir ligoida, we are talking about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon. i know another thing i want to talk to you about is about my personal journey, this is the first question, this is what you think, the spiritual quest that we obviously see in the life path of musicians. in their work, this is connected to a greater extent with the generation , because this is a time of search, yes, the end of the eighties, the beginning of the nineties, and not only musicians went through this path, or after all, what you

are doing, it left its imprints, this is more of a reason, or or it ’s both, that’s what you think, it seems to me that it’s just sooner or later in everyone’s life there comes a moment for a person when, well, he begins to think more about what is happening in his life, how it happens, you begin to understand, so to speak, well, seeing over the years how this...' world is developing, you begin to ask certain questions and in general, to be honest, for me the path of human attention is that we are increasingly , over the years, noticing how alarming the world is, if we take, for example, childhood and school, yes, i cared little about what was happening around except that in the international panorama

one could see... short excerpts of probble, but i can say that this did not concern me at all, not only because i was not interested in it, it was as if i was protected by some kind of force, which -that cover, you know, a conditional cap, so mystical, and when you begin to think how to protect yourself, so to speak, so as not to completely dry up in this world. then , of course, you wonder how this can be achieved, and in fact, this is the path to god, but the most difficult thing is when you understand that yes, there is a way out, there is salvation, this is love, this is the path to god, yes, as anthony of sorozhsky said, and at the last judgment, it will become clear to us that the only thing that was... valuable

in this life is love, so, when you realize at this moment that you need to go to god, i’m not even talking about improving to such an extent as jesus said in his sermon, like our heavenly father, but to be perfect, at this moment you are terrified there are other things that need to be pulled out of this entire field, and this is a very painful process, uprooting stumps and roots, it’s not like that, just like that, it crashed a little, it’s very complex, labor-intensive and painful, and after that you can, so to speak, plow this soil and sow it, but if i understand you correctly, you think that this still connected with age and generation, and not rather than with what you did, i thought so until some time, until i was faced with the fact that i saw young

people, which in our time can be even more difficult in a sense, because it is more saturated, more tousled, yes, because passions are right on the surface, and so at that moment when i saw these young people, i shook a little in my theory, it has nothing to do with age, well, that’s good, when we, so to speak, can stagger in theories, alexey nikalovich, what do you think, now i’m just talking about personal search, it was more connected with time with what was in the air, in general, or with what you were doing, like yours, i think that god determines his own path for everyone, and that’s for everyone leads along this path, because when i came to faith, when i probably had my second such most important transition, it was a meeting with a saint, with father nikolai guryan, well, with the great elder, so...

i had a lot questions, but one of them, since i heard a lot of everything , music, rocks and other things, it was in the bowels of the church , so i went up to the priest and said, father, is my craft pleasing to god or not, so he smiled, said whatever whatever, he knew that i had positive and negative experiences, once upon a time pargorko appeared and we made different works , somewhere... something we had was just straight up rock-rock, but it’s true that along the way we began to change very much , changed a lot, changed a lot until the very end, while the group functioned like that in full in our composition, we changed all the time, when the first album came out there was no internet and letters poured in from all over the world, i saw these bags melted bags bags bags it was just one day and they told me to read this

pile of letters so i started reading the letters. all over the world, and in almost all the letters it was written like this, it was about just one song, thank you, this song helped me not commit suicide, this was my first positive experience, although i did not change then, rock and roll stayed, i still flew like a meteor, for a long time, several more years, now forward, and later there was a negative experience, and this is all part of the journey, that’s why. i was just embarrassed and i needed to ask this question and i asked, well, look, this is a question , after all, even today we remembered gogol it may not be a coincidence, but after all, gogol is without any rock. experienced this internal colossal conflict and i think, here’s your question, my craft, maybe he said creativity, i don’t know if god wants it, it’s not at all a fact that he

answered it, and or definitely not a fact, that he answered the same way as you, yes, because he rather said, my craft, my creativity is not needed in front of anything, i am now deliberately emphasizing, yes, that is, this conflict, as it happened for you, is passing, maybe , until now, but it is, yes it is, and i think it will be uh, somehow develop, now alexey was talking about these things, and i remembered bosch’s famous painting triptych, called the garden of earthly delights, and you see, the fourteenth-fifteenth centuries were strict times, then playing music was considered... has already been made a sinner, and although in general, by our standards, we were talking about completely harmless things, just playing musical instruments, notes are also depicted there, so it seems to me that in this case this is a measure

that a person chooses for himself, of course, here as much as you like, and if you if you really want it to be what you want, you just need it in yourself, any blasphemy, any heresy, any foul language, you just need to cleanse yourself, everyone did this, including the revolutionaries, but i don’t think that gogal didn’t understand this, he understood , of course, why did he have such a decision then, i don’t want to go into biographical details now, but he, well, this is a sinusoid, this is typical for a human being. this is human nature and i think that maybe there wasn’t such a person near him, or he wasn’t looking for such a person, although uh, we used to often go to optina putin and even lived in a monastery, but now women are not allowed there, before they were allowed in, and we went to night services,

they let me read the memorial, uh, those who who go there i came, and there was gogol, there was dostoevsky, in fact, they got there, they got there, yes. they entered the skid, unlike the fat one, right? yes, i think that maybe he didn’t ask the most important question from one of these elders, about his work, perhaps everything would have been different, i’m just saying, swearing is such a terrible thing, yes, yes, i just want to go back with you, why did i ask about generations or is it related to creativity, because, as it seems to me, boom? maybe i’m deluding myself, but it seems to me that this is my path, for example, it’s quite standard, that is, it’s at the end of school, it’s russian literature, it’s dostoevsky, when you first start thinking there, then it’s just at the end of the eighties that they start publishing russian philosophers

whom we did not know, and you begin to read about the gospel, about the church, and the gospel itself, and then at some point in my life it was just a man, we were betrayed, by the way, at the conservatory he taught us the history of music, and he generally casually told us about music . india there or something there is a ripple there may there latin america is pinaztli chilitli this is the whole history