[000:00:00;00] i didn’t ask the most important question from one of these elders, about my work, maybe everything would have been different, i’m just saying, swearing is such a terrible thing, yes, i just want to come back to you, that’s why about the generation or whether it is connected with creativity, because that’s how it seems to me, god knows, maybe i ’m deceived, but it seems to me that this is my path, for example, it’s quite standard, that is, it’s at the end... schools are russian literature, this is dostoevsky, like you for the first time there you start to think, then it’s just the end of the eighties that russian philosophers that we didn’t know begin to be published, and you start reading about the gospel, about the church there and the gospel itself, and then at some point, in my life it was just a man, we were taught, by the way, from the conservatory he taught us the history of music, and he was generally casual, he told us about the music of ancient india or something like that there may be latin

america, that's the whole story. instruments, i still remember the name, and we asked him about something, the word church came up, he was fasting, now i understand that he himself was such an absolute neophyte, he says, well, i think that of course you don’t eat white bread there, but black bread is there, and the point was not in what he said, yes, that it was such an unofficial twist, yes, in the fact that he said that well, what’s the point? read, if you don’t go there, if you don’t live in this house, here it is, and this path, it seems to me, well, as i say, the path is like this university boys. but for you , it was probably different somewhere, is it all the same, or is it similar? we sometimes had to go down to hell in order to push ourselves away from this, in order to understand that there is such a bottom, probably, after all , there is a slightly different path, well, this is a strong phrase, i think that i came to church quite late in general,

because my fate so happened that... i lived for 15 years in krasnoyarsk, where i was born, and i’ll honestly say, then i tried to remember at least one church, i didn’t remember it, purely physically, i’m just on the way i didn’t see a church on my own, which means either i didn’t see it, that is, my perception was so dulled, yes, or they really weren’t there, which is possible, because the city is quite new, so to speak, the consequences of the bolshevik destruction, but nevertheless, here i came after college, after school, after even working as a specialist, as an architect, and for a long time i perceived music only as an amateur performance, as , in fact, entertainment for myself, so here i am

i’m haunted by your phrase that we had to... father, this is how you live now with these memories, what do they mean in your life today, are you trying to forget, no, it’s impossible to forget, i think you need to remember, you need to remember , so to speak, not to be forgotten, this is all for a reason, all this is part of the path, so the thief had to be crucified next to christ, so that... whoever hangs on the cross next to him and shout to him: change the lord, into the kingdom when you come to the kingdom, this is also a terrible path, he killed people, he i’ve definitely been to hell before, that’s when i was the first to enter heaven, today we gathered our thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon, vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, i’m vladimir, and we continue,

almost... well, i want to return to the search for generations, because for people it means in different spheres of culture, at the same time , when we were looking, we were all looking, but in the cinema there were these searches, now we have a film about balabanov coming out, it was slava’s anniversary, everyone gathered at my house, they gave interviews, quietly, hello, hello, are they celebrating here? no, no, glory, what are you talking about, i said, the very top left, oh, sorry, you have, man, experience, yes, interaction with him, that’s how, how do you remember it, now, firstly, alexey and i knew each other for a long time, starting from college times, then he moved to st. petersburg, then i ended up there, yes, she

read the world like a novel, i once gathered a crowd in a cafe, a huge cafe, a crowd, just because it was the feature film turned out so free everything is absolutely a walk in the park without a dog can become you too expensive, my mother learns the morgue phone number by heart when she is away from home for too long, all this time, so to speak, we watched each other in the sense that he was building a cinematic career, and i saw all this and everything in front of my eyes this was happening, he naturally, so to speak, observed

what was happening with us, at a certain stage already, mm, thoughts arose, well, somehow, that we need to help each other, so to speak, that’s exactly what happened this path, yes, on the path to god. i may not be very a good, so to speak, assistant in this sense from the point of view of eloquence, to pronounce the necessary words, yes, but one way or another, in general, i tried to talk with alexey on this topic, but sometimes he had a categorical attitude for a long time, because he was very passionate about cinema, for him it was a whole world in which he lived, ruled, everything else had, so to speak , applied significance to this, as for me... but as you can see, at the end, so to speak, of his path, relatively speaking , but professional and human, he still relates to this topic

came, i tried for a very long time to persuade him to film some kind of fairy tale or something like that, well, relatively speaking, yes, i even had options for writing various stories for synopses, and he... every time he told me that i still i’m not ready, i’m not mentally ready for this, i want to, but i’m not ready, well , as a result, the last film is actually such a parable, by and large, all this is already happening there in this fenced bell tower, and the film itself , the title of the film, and the essence of this story is that i also want, everyone wants, in the end, and i... like a fool cross, i almost fell, it’s a heavy wooden cross, a huge cross, so i’m waiting, someone will support me, because i could fall, and a crowd of people is following me, and in general i somehow passed, precisely because besides

, i could have fallen and that’s it, but because of the people who followed me, here’s a strange story, yes, i know, it’s like it’s closed for me, you’re right. how to combine this with what we are talking about, that’s why for me russian rock is a continuation of russian literature, and inherits russian literature, because russian literature is what gives us space of meanings and language, yes, we speak with these images, remember these heroes , and the same thing with russian rock, yes, here are your songs, they enter our lives, it’s interesting that soviet cinema was the cinema of our language, yes, that’s post-soviet , as far as i am concerned, maybe many will not agree with me, but by and large... that the films brother brother i are those that have entered the language. it seems to me that this also comes together here, yes, these are some kind of searches inside and well , the result, yes, when what is made by a person, it becomes part of the language,

of course, yes, but i also wanted to add that in addition to literature, symphonic music is still of great importance, i have been actively interested in this in recent years, and i can... say that in academic music, in symphonic music, there is a very there is a lot of pressure that sweeps away even worse than rock music, you know, starting there for its time it was cool rock, just yes, yes, time forward - this is just a concrete example of the fact that this is a bulldozer going against which you can’t trample, just but look, here’s about a bright future: we said russian rock, we said about symphonic music , but young people, let’s be honest, don’t listen, not all of them, young people are different, and any generalization is unfair to someone, but still today they don’t

they listen to rock, as they listened, once upon a time, yes, some time ago, so i may be sharpening, yes, well, intentionally, but i do not see in modern russian music continuity with the great russian literature, with the great russian culture. with russian rock, i don’t see her there, am i wrong? v at one time, such a terrible word of music appeared, it appeared in the nineties, the word format, and then everything began to be divided, because before that. somehow it was all together, if you take, let’s say, the seventies, there was rock pop music, and some kind of disc, it was all together, and then it began to be divided into formats, and then trends appeared, rap didn’t just appear out of nowhere, you don’t need to know anything in particular, you don’t need to study music, especially there, make yourself these , so to speak, beats there and continue talking, what came to mind, this is it, and it is also supported, on its own it would not

have lasted long, this is also a stage that says that everything must begin, so to speak, develop in a new circle, and it will not go anywhere, and over time, those seeds that are the most tenacious will sprout, that is, into the more interesting ones, which have some meaning behind them, but still, one way or another, music, but for you... as a manifestation of culture, literature, and that’s the connection this is this symbiosis, people will always return to them, because this is actually folk art, you are amazingly diplomatic today, there is in russian modern rap , as it is called, there is a connection with great russian literature, do you see it or do you just hope that there are more opportunities for literary manifestation there than in rock, because there you need to broadcast something constantly. there are many possibilities, yes, yes, yes, another thing

is how it is used, it is used little, unfortunately, and today we, of course, had so much theological and cultural and musical, i’m not afraid of that word dimension, but i know, in conclusion, what i would like to ask you about, since we talked a lot today about russian literature, if you were to advise our foreign contemporaries to get acquainted with russian literature, well, after some... that work or work, i won’t say there, name three there, but that’s what first comes to mind, lies on the heart, what would you advise first of all, i’m always ready to easily name pushkin,

he has both poetry and prose, right? that's one thing circumstance, the second circumstance, that he reached such heights in poetry, and which are already called fairy tales, and in poetry, but actually, in general, pushkin, our everything, yes, yes, alexey nikolaevich, what would you advise, well, i probably would have slashed at dostoevsky, of course, but this is not for everyone, yes, this is a person who discovered it for himself. said that he writes about terrible things from a position of light, not everyone can probably understand this, but nevertheless, i said in some interviews that i just had such friends who, uh, they are such cult musicians, there and still there they are cult musicians in the west, now we have been to such very interesting gatherings, where you come to such a house, there and people walk around in clothes - xvi centuries, so the hostess sits down to... the piano, everyone came just for this, they start playing neoclassical music, how

interesting it is, then they start talking, then it turns out that one of the people, such a leading screenwriter, goriovsky, i didn’t even know , he wrote so many films, that’s how once we were talking about literature and when i said the word dostoevsky, and he suddenly changed in his face, he changed and somehow became completely different, so he suddenly bowed. i think he’s bowing to me or something, so i’ll bow, he said, oh dostoevsky, yes, and , of course, there are people who understand this, yes, they understand, sooner or later, after all, i was listening to you just now, remember what - i recently watched a tv series, american detective stories and there are two detectives sitting in a car, one opens the glove compartment, the idiot there deserves dostoevsky, he says, a good book, here the doctor says: dostoevsky, he says the book is good, the second time he doesn’t even say anything to him, just with... so well, what should i explain to you?

thank you, dear friends, i am eternally grateful to you, today we had cult musicians alexey bilov, vyacheslav butusov, i’m vladimir legoyda, we gathered our thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon, thank you. i welcome you to the podcast of the chronicle of the end of times and today i will tell you about how yulian semenov was eliminated, yulian semenovich semyonov - this is absolutely a legendary... figure, he is more than a writer, more than a publicist , of course, he is mainly known as the author of such a character as stirlit, the seventeenth of spring, this is his creation, this is his novel, which was

filmed, by the way, this was the first tv series on soviet television , and many reproached yuliyan semenovich semenov, i remember that he took advantage of the fact that it was the first series, that is, there were more than ten episodes, and each episode was paid for as a separate film, that is, after that experience, the guest of the television and radio of the soviet union revised the payment system, specifically for multi-part, so-called films. vladimir semyonovich vysotsky sang: “i hate gossip in the form of versions, well, here you can’t do without versions.” i also hate gossip in the form of versions, but versions, interestingly, were the name of that publication in the top secret holding company, which appeared after the elimination of yuliana semyonov, who actually created this holding company. generally speaking, the appearance of the first private

newspaper, and top secret, was the first private publication in the soviet union, precisely marked the end of times, because the state, for the first time in 70 years of its existence, lost its monopoly on the printed word on periodicals. yulian semyonovich semenov had been toying with this idea of ​​creating his own publication, in which he could publish what he considered necessary and who he considered necessary, he had been tossing around since about 1986, because in 1986 he created the international association of detective and political novel. members who were, well, the most prominent detective writers in general genre in the world. ilian semyonovich semenov, not just a master of the detective genre, and not just a completely unusual, extravagant figure of the soviet literary society, he is also

a person who was fundamentally different from his colleagues, not in his writing style, not in his approach to writing, but in his views, in general, on the universe as a whole, on the prospects of his beloved country, i speak without any irony of his beloved country, because he loved the country, despite the fact that his father was repressed, his of course, there were also quite serious complaints about the structure in the soviet union, the structure not only in the writing workshop, but in general there were questions about freedom of speech, well, this is a common place that everyone grumbled about this, but he is a man , who broke through this wall, i repeat once again, he created the first private publication in the soviet union, top secret, in september

2023, 30 years since yuliana semyonova died, but then in the ninety-third year his heart simply stopped, and he died , long ago before that, in the year eighty-nine, since the year eighty-nine, he was in a state, well, what is called, as it doesn’t hurt me to talk about it, because i just loved him and love him, he was in a vegetable state, he was actually liquidated, why and how i will tell you today, the newspaper , top secret, arose as such ... an experiment, yegor lyagachov, who then oversaw the entire press and all ideology in the soviet union, categorically objected to the ideas of a private newspaper, and then ilian semenovich

semenoval, and this will be a newsletter, he said, no one asked any questions, what is a newsletter, well, it was just a monthly newspaper, using, well, relatively speaking, my official position, the franchise of this newspaper, it was published in moscow, and the publisher was yuliyan semyonovich semenov, who had a salary of 1 ruble per year, the owners of the newspaper were us, the employees, the first employees of this publication, we were called shareholders, no one understood what it was, no one was particularly proud of this knowledge and did not understand in general - that the essence of it, i was personally interested in what my personal salary ... would be, what share would i have there, what percentage of this newspaper belonged to me, i was the first full-time employee, that is, i was the first to risk leaving the officialdom, i worked at that time

moment in the magazine, a change in the organ of the central committee of the young communist league, he suggested that i go to him, our editorial office was located in a safe house of the security department, on what was then kalininsky prospekt, now it is the new arbat, yuliyan semenovich semyonova and his friends from the ministry of internal affairs assured that all the listening equipment had been confiscated from apartments and that we can be located there. and talk freely about anything, make our plans, i didn’t naturally turn out to be a chief editor, i was just such a dunce reporter, ilian semenovich quickly realized that i don’t have any organizational talents, well, i calm myself down with the thought that at that moment there was none, then i called them names , and he invited alexander pleshkov from ap to the position of chief editor, everyone was convinced that he... was from the gru, well, in general, many apna journalists worked for this organization,

apparently he really was this sad person, when i simply asked him questions directly, sasha, he laughed it off, but in any case, he had organizational skills, and in general there were some special skills, because he brought a couple of their acquaintances, who nevertheless discovered two bugs in the kitchen in the office of the apartment itself , the apartment was built in such a way that one room was yuliana semyonov ’s summer house, where the meeting of the editorial board was held, the second room was the secretarial room and the third room was like that, well for the editorial office, in general, two wiretaps were confiscated, yuliyan semyonovich became very angry and turned to the general who actually rolled out this room, he apologized, saying that it was a flaw, well , that’s how we all laughed, no one... especially

i didn’t worry about this, only one photograph has survived, where yulian semyonovich is captured with sasha pleshkov, this is to the left of yulian semyonovich semenov, this is alexander, and our members of the editorial board, this is actually a photograph taken in that very office of semenov, that is, in that room where a number of collegiums went, aleksandkov was a very close associate of yulian semyonov, not because he worked in gru, but because he was his like-minded person professionally, a journalist, they equally understood the concept of the publication, the layout of this publication was invented by your humble servant, as they say , so we drew there , with the artist, the logo, the name, i came up with myself, and the entire pilot number was done by only three or four people there, as i remember, dmitry likhanov, my

colleague and long-time friend, sasha pleshkov, and well naturally, yulian semyonovich semenov himself, who rolled out a bunch of some materials that, i believe, were leaked to him by friends from the special services, and things went on, that is, returning to how i used my official position, and so the newspaper... there were no computers, then newspapers were printed from the matrix, this is important to understand, i was then invited to co-host the most popular program at that time, a program from the youth editorial office of central television, it had a huge audience, was published once every week, several episodes at the invitation of my co-hosts, i spent with them and in each of these issues i was in the finale

. shaking the newspaper there was no advertising at all on television; in soviet television there was no advertising at all, that is, it’s about how you can somehow it never occurred to anyone to monetize airtime, i remember there was such an episode, it’s a little not top secret, but about advertising, that quite clever guys from... who were located in brighton, they began to make such sweatshirts with with the inscriptions perestroika, there is glasnost, so they gave us these sweatshirts, and we were so happy to broadcast in them, i don’t understand that there is a whole cooperative selling these sweatshirts, well, relatively speaking, for us, that we were simply promoting merch, like this is now called merch , since there was no control over... ether, then in every issue of the look where i was invited, i shook,

by the way, with the next issue, the newspaper was top secret and said that everyone who wanted... could apply at such and such phone there in my opinion, there was even a creeping line, or, in general, to go to the office, yuliana semenova, top secret, and we would provide them, as it were, with a license, that is, it was such a franchise, and the newspapers were published in millions of copies in a variety of republics, and was published in the baltic states and in the south caucasus, in central asia, we quickly gained a lot in terms of reputation, financially, things were going well, i, as a shareholder, didn’t understand this, because i still didn’t care about what a share was, but there were people who understood the situation, but more about them later, we are back, this podcast chronicles of the end of times and we are talking about yulin semenovich semenov and his brainchild is top secret. at some point, yulian semyonovich thought that he needed

to expand, that is, make not just one newspaper, but make several. it is possible to publish a magazine and since sasha pleshkov is very much his right hand and the first deputy would be very busy with organizational issues of expansion, in fact, with this typography of the base, he was constantly rushing about on business trips, here and there, in one republic, then in another, establishing these contacts. it was decided to invite a person who is quite well versed in western media, i was artyom borovik, he was a friend, comrade and colleague of dima likhanov, who actually introduced me to yulian semyonovich semenov, but artyom was then working in the very popular magazine ogonyok, vitaly korotich, and headed the international department there, published books, one of them was called, as i served in the american army, that is, he

actually went on an internship to the pentagon, came here for american the journalist and i remember this meeting in the central house of writers, the four of us, i , dima likhanov, veronika khelchevskaya, artyom borovyak’s wife, artyom sat, for 3 hours we rubbed all this, we really persuaded him with our head, not knowing about it with dima, so that he can come as a deputy to julian. in the end, artyom agreed. and began to work on the issue of creating, in particular , a newspaper version and a magazine of persons, which later appeared in the holding company, top secret, but without pleshkov and without semyonov, because sasha pleshkov was killed in paris in in april of eighty-nine, sasha went there to deal with the so-called gold of the party, now no one remembers this

phrase, then in the late eighties, it was...’ quite such a story in the media was noisy in the kitchens, they discussed it, it was about the fact that people who understood that the soviet union would inevitably collapse, they withdrew resources, the so-called gold and foreign exchange, to the west, in order to later come with money and, well, do what they did, that is, buy up factories, entire industries, there was very... curious the selection system that pleshkov talked about, in the same group, let’s say, some resident, intelligence officer, was given a budget to, say, create some kind of pharmaceutical company that would be a roof for our work, for residents, well

or it’s important, for some kind of business , and people carefully watched how he would manage this money, invested all this money in the business there, as it were, taking into account, of course , some kind of salaries for themselves and so on, and some stole, well, that’s how it is they created a business, but there are a million others went somewhere offshore, the person put it to himself, these people were taken into account as promising in the center, that is, they were invited and said, well, we all know how many there are, how many there are, you work very correctly, that is, you are promising... .man, just keep in mind that we know everything , they were counting on these people, as those who would later build a new society, as enterprising people, and not blinkered and ideologically one-vector, who about themselves didn't think about themselves, but thought

only about work, not without bitter irony and sarcasm, pleshkov told this, so there was an idea... in general to deal with this gold of the party, that is, to generally open up this system, in paris, uh, we had friends, when i say, here, i mean the editorial staff is top secret, in particular fronçois moreau, a french journalist who admired semenovich, semenov, wrote essays about him, considered him a check for the future - new russia. and he worked - in the magazine vsd, this is friday, saturday, sunday, it was very popular in those years and the publication was france, about like a light in our country in those same years. and he said that his leadership, the leadership of this magazine, can offer sensational material for top secret, well, sasha pleshkov went there, he had breakfast that day with eduard limnov,

who lived in paris and who, by the way, thanks to pleshkov and yulian semenov returned as a writer to russia, because it was we who began to publish him in top secret; he was, after all, such a banned writer. but the end of times was already approaching, everything changed and the forbidden names forbidden topics appeared in the press on television, by the way, there is a photograph, i have preserved in the archive, where yulian simenovich talks with eduard in our office. of course, eduard limnov has nothing to do with the removal of sasha pleshkov. naturally, other people did it, it just so happened that in the morning. i had breakfast with him, then he met with the leadership of the vsd. the french were ready to sell this information, but at prices that were completely normal for

western media, where there are millions of francs, well, then there was no euro yet, they are ready had to pay for sensational materials, we naturally didn’t have that kind of money , we just didn’t have it in midiyka, there weren’t even any advertising budgets, i was not only on television, but in newspapers too... at first there was no advertising, but the leadership of the vsd , as semyonovich semyonov assumed, they seemed to have ingested some of the information and told sasha about who exactly in france, particularly in the west, is engaged in accumulating funds withdrawn from the soviet union for further investment in the economy of the already new russia, in short, pleshkov had dinner with the french, returned to the hotel feeling very bad, he tried to call a doctor from the embassy of the soviet union, the doctor did not arrive, he went down to the lobby when the party

saw that his hotel guests were bleeding from everyone holes, from the nose, ears, mouth, he called the doctors, but it was too late, completely, he was brought to moscow in zinc. the conclusion of the french doctors was more than strange, that is, it said that he was poisoned, it was not clear what, yulik, how they called, all our editors behind our backs, naturally semyonovich, because they called him either julian or yulian semyonovich to his face, but they lovingly called him yulik. yulik was completely crushed by this story, because he understood that to a certain extent he himself, so to speak , having given this order and opened this pandora's box, he sentenced his deputy to such a rather tragic fate, and he decided to promptly completely get rid of

the publication, or rather not to get rid of it as such, but to bring it to the international arena, he entered into an alliance with merdekom, with rupert merdeka, an american media mogul, and decided to start what is called a collaboration , in the presumption that if it was a soviet-american publication, it would be easier, in particular, it would be possible to find money to buy the information that the frenchman, merdeka’s representative, offered us , agreed to come to moscow, yuliyan semenovich semenov wrote a letter to the then head of state, general secretary of the communist party mikhailugevich gorbachev, the first president of the ussr, that he was planning such a meeting that he wanted to withdraw top secret at the international level. and outlined some prospects and how, in principle, this is good for glasnost, which gorbachev promoted, and how cool all this is, very, very good,

a representative of merdeka arrived, and we went to negotiations, there were us in addition to the driver, yuliana semenovich semenov by the way, she didn’t have any security guards, no one really bothered there about any kind of security, that was the mood. in the car, in addition to the driver, i repeat, i, artyom borovik, and yuliyan semenovich semenov himself, meeting with a representative was planned there on a ship on the moscow river, and during this trip yulik had a stroke, that is, he had a stroke , so naturally, the meeting did not take place, we went to the hospital, and at that time i was filming a film about yulin semyonova, my friend, olivia lichtenstein, whom i met when she was working on a film called prostitutes, but about prostitutes.

we met her then, i went to london there for dubbing and so on, so she started a series about - new people of the soviet union, not new russians, but new people there svyatoslav fedorov was there, kuryokhin and yulian semyonov, in my opinion there were already three films by that time in this series, comrade kumrads, so she was filming a film based on my script about mine... so since they were driving in the second car, they wanted to film this meeting with murdak, which was supposed to be, well, key in the film, that is, they naturally came with us to the hospital, filmed how we were taking yulik out of the car, and dima likhanov and other people from the editorial office arrived there, and whom we

notified, and dima told me, well, when he saw it, that my englishmen were filming, he told me, are you crazy, well, he didn’t use standard language, but i thought that i really was crazy, because the person we love, he’s drooling, has a dull look, he’s just well, the picture is not the most attractive, i asked olivia to stop filming, she harshly said that it was zhenya. you are not a professional, and i say, i am not a professional , i ask you to stop filming, by the way, i later discussed this episode with many people on domestic television, i told you, there was such an episode, but not am i crazy, they say, you should have continued filming, if you are a journalist, you work, you record, because you don’t think about yourself, about your emotions, you think

about recording this or that fact. reporter, you are reporting, you are not lying, there is no analysis here , you are recording, because later it will be possible to figure out what to do with this material, and if there is no material, then there is nothing to do with them, and so i realized that i am not professional, so since then i prefer to introduce myself as a media ideologist, and not a journalist, in short, this filming was stopped, that is, they didn’t film yulian semyonovich, the british filmed us. they were filming me, dima likhanov, artyom boroi disappeared immediately, he left somewhere, somehow yulian semyonovich was pumped out, he began to at least moo , say something, not very separate limbs, and well, in any case, in his eyes, some kind of something appeared there, and although it was clear that he recognized people, so we left him in the hospital, arrived the next day and

the nurse... arrived, me with the british, with olivia's group, lichtenstein arrived, and the nurse said that two people came at night, uh, they didn't even put on white coats, they just showed their id, talked to xuan semyonovich silyony, after that no one talked to him, in the sense that he became... well, in such a state that he could only cry and , well, she took it all off, she took off this nurse for ambition, because she was reluctant the first time, but for a soviet nurse, uh, 100 pounds sterling - that was there, almost that's a six-month salary, then eighty in the ninth year, she told all this, when i accompanied olivia to sheremetyevo, they tried to confiscate these tapes from her, she did not fly off on these flights, she called the embassy of britain at sofia embankment,

some people arrived there, then she flew off on the next day, but she managed to bring out the source codes, only in 2021, in the summer i met her in spain, she kindly gave these source codes to me, they were used in the creation of a documentary film on channel one, and to yuliyan semenovich semenov, here is yuliyan semenovich semyonov is here i was still in this state... for some time until september of ninety-three, that is, for another 4 years, and here is a very... cool, relatively speaking, moment, a moment that i considered necessary to talk about in the work that we did together with olga yulinovna semyonova, the youngest daughter

of ilyan semyonovich semenov, this was in spain while working on a film about her father, where all these things were said. we are back, this is a podcast of the chronicle of the end times and we are talking about yulian semenovich semenov and his brainchild, top secret. you can find all episodes of the podcast lab project on the website of the first channel, 1tv.ru. so, the point is that i will repeat, it was the soviet union. there was no internet anywhere in the world, including the soviet union. there was no internet, and there was no mobile phone service either. therefore, when a person... went on a business trip, and yuliyan semenovich semenov went on business trips very often, so that work in the editorial office would not become and in general in the holding company, he inserted such a pack

of forms with the logo in top secret from his signature, where you could type any order, put any date, and as if with his signature it would come into force, well... he assumed that he would return from a business trip, if there was something wrong there, it was n’t right printed, it could be recalled and disavowed, no one could have imagined that a situation would arise when a person was alive before the jurassic, no, his heart did not stop, he, he is still alive, but de facto he is a corpse, de facto he can't do anything, he can't say a word, these forms were used, these... planks were used, first all the shareholders decided on their shares, and dmitry likhanov, and i and many others, including zoya ivanna,

semyonovich semenov’s secretary, such a very famous lady who was imprisoned in stalin’s camps and so so, absolutely glorious. everyone was afraid of her, but they loved her, in general, everyone lost their shares, the shares were all accumulated by artyom genrikhovich borovik, artyom genrikhovich borovik settled in semyonovich semenov’s apartment, the nuance here was that ilian had two daughters, but one of olga, with whom we just worked, lived and still lives in the city of paris, the eldest. she was completely far from these kind of things, she had her own family, her own problems, her own tragedies, she was infinitely far from these kind of property disputes, in short, the holding ended up with

artyom borovik, which is generally not bad it was, because in fact, artyom, he was younger and much more advanced than yuliyan semyonovich, firstly, he did not suffer from all these... complexes, relatively speaking, i think, that yuliyan semenovich semenov would have followed this path of creating a holding much longer and not so confidently, because it was under artyom borovik that the version, newspaper and magazine of the person appeared, in general, in general, the advertising service appeared, that is, the holding flourished , but in fact, without semyonov, i remember how his competitor and comrade-in-arms, writer, detective, very famous, said that we