[000:00:00;00] well, as they say, competition is competition, so at the same time he tried to pit the soviet union against china, in 1973-1974, he made great efforts to oust the soviet union from the arab world, and these efforts were crowned with at least partial success , in general, in the first half of the nineties he became one of the american figures, then there were not many of them who publicly advocated the expansion of nato, and who said that the soviets had some doubts about the fact that in general nato could expand, because promises were made to gorbachev that

nothing like that would happen, kittinger, in general, was not very serious... took all these promises, because since, from his point of view, they were not enshrined on paper, then they were given one administration, the bush administration, this administration no longer exists, and he believed that the new administration, the clinton administration , could do whatever they wanted about this, so this was not some admirer, not some ally of the soviet union or russia. it seems to me that it would be naive and unfair to expect this from one of the american leaders. on the other hand, precisely because kissinger was an american patriot and because he was a strategic thinker, he always wondered what kind of relationship he wanted the united states to have with the soviet union and

then with russia. and for him. russia was a great power, including after the collapse of the soviet union, for him russia was a very important factor in international politics, he neither in no case did he want to quarrel with russia, and most importantly, he in no case wanted american policy to push beijing and moscow closer to each other, so he not only... did not consider it possible to ignore russian strategic concerns, but also more specifically, after the first stage of nato expansion took place, which covered those countries that were not part of the soviet union, kisinger began to say that, as they say, a little of every good is good, and you need to stop there, and you need to understand that for

soviet... union, these agreements that nato would not go to the east were very important and constantly ignoring these russian concerns, he considered extremely dangerous, from this point of view, henry kissinger’s conversations with president putin were very useful. again, kissinger was not a sentimental person, but he, well, in general, knew how to appreciate and not just appreciate, but treat with great sympathy serious, if one may say so, cool, leaders of large scale, and for him, absolutely , vladimir putin was in this category, i say this firsthand, i repeatedly had conversations with kisincher about the soviet union, about

russia, we shared our impressions after his trips, after my trips to russia, and i know that from his point of view , president putin was not only a very serious leader, but he believed that this was the person with whom you could talk, with whom you could negotiate, and he generally had no problems with the way the political situation in russia was developing with his . point of view for united states, it was important how russia behaves in the international arena, and he never had the feeling that russia is some kind of aggressive vantirist country that must be fought against, otherwise the world will suffer a catastrophe. i will never forget

how 20 years ago i accompanied kissinger. to a meeting with leading russian businessmen, then they were still called oligarchs, and this was soon after the search was carried out... so the question naturally arose from kisingerov, one of those present, and khodorkovsky himself, by the way, was his asked whether the united states would intervene in the situation with khodorkovsky, as khodorkovsky himself very much hoped for, lobbied for, and whether the united states would tell putin that this could not be done if russia ignored these warnings. consequence. kissinger's answer is something i will never forget. he looked at khodorkovsky and said: american foreign policy cannot make the fate of individual russian

entrepreneurs a priority of american foreign policy. and this was all henry kissinger, who thought about how build serious relations with russia. and in this regard, he considered vladimir putin a serious american partner. well, today the situation is completely different, there is nothing to say about it, i do not see people of kisinger’s caliber in the firmament of american foreign policy. but the tradition of political realism, it is still alive in america, is still advocated for, if not by the majority. but at least some influential figures in congress, so the best i can say on this matter is that kissinger is not there, but his business is not dead, and the chances that american

realists will be able to at least have some influence on the foreign policy of the united states, i think that such chances still remain, this is due in no small part to henry kissinge himself. it was a great game, we'll see you on air next week. to fast or not to fast, and if to fast. then why and how? hello, today we have gathered our thoughts about the nativity fast, ksenia alferova, tv presenter, actress, priest antony borisov, associate professor or professor already?

no, no, no, associate professor, associate professor, but older, perhaps, associate professor of the moscow theological academy, i am vladimir legoeda, hello, dear friends, hello, hello, but please tell me, it seems to me that the first question that a person has is, maybe not very familiar with the church, at least i’ve heard this, well , lent is understandable, why lent at christmas? ancient church tradition suggests that for every significant holiday there is a celebration, especially such as the feast of the nativity of christ, which according to in its significance, if it is inferior to some other church holiday, then only easter, well, it’s probably worth preparing for this celebration, and the actual traditional church preparation is fasting. as such an ascetic practice rooted in the depths of centuries. well, it’s completely different, it’s still christmas, i’ll honestly admit to you, until recently, as you just said, most people didn’t understand,

that is, it’s not that i didn’t understand, but i didn’t even really think about it, or what, i thought that it was somehow a christmas post not so much, well, i don’t know, it’s obligatory or something, or this word is applicable, well, it’s like, well, in general, it’s possible, but it’s important for me, but it came when i started reading a lot about it, since i have my literary project there , where i tell, i talk about christmas every year, and you have to, i read, that is , not more theological literature, but how it was, that is, how it was in russia before the same thing, memoirs of various poets and writers . if we take biographies, then not a single one will be without christmas and easter costs, that is, this is always such a special childhood experience, but shmilyov has a lot, not only him, about just about fasting, when, like a child,

well, because there is more strength there to fast, and then this he’s going through his last day there, if he ate something there or didn’t eat it, and i somehow read this, i think, well, i need to try it somehow, well, you also wanted to relive it for me, i remember how it was. but still, here it is, the mood is somehow different, but somehow it’s disrupting the new year, which is before this, well, understandable the thing is that a person values ​​only what he gets with difficulty, so i was balanced in the understanding of this post, i read his book and he writes there that well, that’s why exactly so many days and he is somehow there, how can i say , he is more loyal, and he writes that in general it was different , it was for a week, well, that is, in tradition, and that i really liked it, i literally looked through this book today and says that, well, even if you ate porridge with this unfortunate milk, like a parable you are all worried about about milk, butter, oatmeal, but it’s a simple porridge, this is also a fast than if

you have some kind of very non-lenten menu, but it’s all so complicatedly prepared , i agree, yes, that essetrina kebab is definitely not fasting, as so he writes well there that fasting is modesty, here ’s something else 2 modesty and something else, that modest is not modest, accordingly fasting is modest, that is, everything that is simple is lean, like once... fast, but look, i’m just saying, that is, not modest, that is, not lean, and i came to the fact that when you prepare for this, when you understand what event awaits you ahead, well, this wonderful magic of the birth of not just a child, well , the birth of a child is magic, of christ himself, and why is this necessary, because when you read how it was in russia, well, no one forced, it’s impossible to force, to actually fast, well, that’s it, if you can with your own conscience, traditions, we always fasted, i remember there are some

there are medieval descriptions of the orthodox there with east, who came to russia, they just so to speak, forgive me for the poverty of speech, were stunned by how russians fast , because they pray and pray, can i just continue my thought about how it was and what it was for, it’s still a cleansing, well, that is, because not the body, but the soul, yes, well, everything, in fact , both the body and the soul and houses, well , it’s just that the external is also important, if it does not remain only external, but and that is , people understood that before such an event, well , they simply cannot, well, that is, they must, they cleaned every corner of their home and there were, well, sort of traditions , like separate icons, special brushes with which they cleaned the corners, which were given out only before christmas and easter, and this is also a kind of action, which, well, that is, how to say, then , what we have now, in my opinion, have lost, that is, not from fear, not from punishment or fear,

it is when you are completely permeated with this and not because it is necessary, but no, but in front of the feeling of this truly big miracle, and you you've been waiting for him all these days, and you're getting ready, therefore, therefore, all these days, uh, are gifts, because you are like the magi, their good deeds, that is, there are many components, in addition to fasting, all this, which is also part of this fast or something, it is all about good. so that, because you cannot appear before your eyes, the savior, the house there is dirty, even the poorest people were preparing a clean new shirt or something new skirt or something else, well, because well, how else, well, it’s impossible to another, that’s why for me somehow this is some kind of cleansing, which always, then there is as soon as you, how to say, even if you have the intention, to do it, it’s already good, but i mean, that is, there is a temptation right away, naturally, it’s there somewhere, yeah,

so you decided, well, well, and there are a lot of them, i just already learned, for example, since i have a friend, very close there, she is a nun, and somehow i learned to listen to my spiritual father, eh, and for people who are so spiritual, for them some kind of, well, it’s like this is the norm, they just say about it that, well, yes, we’re not the only ones living here, that is there are also angels and devils around us and they are all nearby and at some point you begin to somehow treat this as if there is no one , well, yes, that’s how it is. he’s here, so it’s important for me to catch this moment when he’s poking and you’re like, thank you, no need, i understand, i know why this is happening now, after all, i’ll continue there, but i’ve stopped, well, that’s how it is, ksenia correctly noted that, of course , there must be a frame; indeed, it is always easier to live in line with some tradition, when you don’t really need to think about how in this way you can outwardly show your religious feelings, your beliefs, but the most important thing is that this... frame does not remain hollow, so that it really has

religious sincere content, because in the end, how can this not be, no no, may sound scandalous, but christ was crucified by religiously sophisticated scoundrels who knew very well, all the traditions were carefully observed, but for them their own religiosity turned out to be more important than god, yeah, in fact, their religiosity was elevated to the pedistal of veneration, and god remained somewhere aside, i know, i would like to ask, after all, by and large , the nativity fast and lent, they last 40 days, yes, well, the christmas lent turns out to be longer, but this is already considered there, not not lent, and in addition, it’s longer it turns out. and they are both connected with fasting, which, in fact, is with the 40 days that christ was in the desert, yes, that is, the tradition goes back as a great advantage, but nevertheless, it is also 40 days, why is the christmas fast 40 days, now because 40 days, christ was in the desert, and i actually wanted to ask you about this, in this story, christ is in the desert, and at the end

of it, the devil comes to him, begins to tempt him, that’s what ’s most important for you, father anthony in this story? it seems that it is very important to emphasize here that it is not that christ starved for these 40 days in the desert or ate very, very little, with what he could find there, here we are talking about exactly what the person who decided for himself that he will prepare for the holiday by fasting, i must understand the important thing that fasting is, of course, not a diet of any kind, that along with abstaining from food, there should also be prayer in his life, since christ did not just wander through the desert and, i repeat, starved, yes, the gospel directly points to the fact that christ prayed all these days, uh-huh, and the third component is an attempt to overcome one’s selfishness, because the temptations that the devil addresses to christ are an attempt precisely in christ to arouse this very

selfish feeling, i, i, and i, how powerful i am, i can turn stones into bread, though it is not clear to anyone, because there is no one in the desert, the gospel lexicon, why does it make a distinction between miracles and signs, that is, signs are what they are, they are something grandiose, something that amazes, but has no practical applications, and the miracles of the savior are very practical, and christ then turns these five loaves into something incredible. so only 500 men were fed, women and children were not taken into account, but the devil asks, then show your pride, here thus, then throw yourself off the roof of the temple, show that the angels will catch you, demonstrate that you are the messiah, and the third is the entire kingdom of the world in front of you, and

it is interesting that the logic of the devil is what, all the kingdoms of the world belong to me - says the devil, yeah, they all serve me. bow down to me and everything will be yours. montechoca cognac, product of stetel group. today we gathered our thoughts about the meaning of the nativity fast, ksinenia alferova, priest anthony borisov, we continue. i know, i would like to talk about this to ask, man is a creature, excuse me, psychomatic, yes, it is clear that everything is connected with us, you have already said this. but nevertheless, this is really a measure of supply, that there is sturgeon kebab and lobsters, which are not formally prohibited in general, yes, porridge with milk seems to be no longer a lean product, that’s what it is, that’s the measure, how to determine the measure of fasting, in addition, that there are students there , pregnant women and illness, yes, when after all, the doctor should probably tell you your measure of fasting, that’s how a healthy person

who has graduated from pregnancy, who is not pregnant, ill health is now on par, this is through, well, look where all these ideas about lenten and non-lenten food came from, they arose on the basis of the following logic , that’s how st. basil the great reasoned, thanks to which our ideas about what kind of lenten food were largely formed , and which is not lean, it was still very simple: lean food should be, firstly, simple, secondly, accessible, thirdly, cheap. yeah, simple, simple, river porridge with uh, sauerkraut is my favorite food. yes, and a performance about seafood and fish as a lean food arose in a very specific historical cultural environment, when it was really a waste product, in mediterranean conditions, when you went to the market and there it was , actually, cheap fish and cheap

seafood, which were generally given away almost for nothing, why because almost algae, sea grass, no one knows then. i didn’t admire it, yes, this, by the way, was one of the items on the agenda of the pan-orthodox council that never took place, a revision ideas about what actually, in the current conditions , should be considered lean food, but can i ask you in continuation of your question, i once had such a case when we diligently tried this buckwheat, buckwheat, buckwheat, buckwheat, i just remember how since there was buckwheat, there was squash caviar, i don’t know what else you can eat with buckwheat. yes, yes, yes, and then we came, i went to visit our friends, who, he is a restaurateur, well, that is, he loves to feed, he eats deliciously, but they are such church-going people, that means. such all-all-all that they offered you illuminated lobsters? no, and there were no lobsters there, there were more of me and me, so my mother accepted them, she says, i was waiting for them, she

says, well, you must be hungry, i say, i ’m hungry, she says, well, what do you want, do you want there such pies, pancakes, something else, i so quietly think, well, i say , it’s lent, so they’re lenten, and there’s such splendor, i say, yes, then he came, that means the owner, i have the only phrase that was that it was possible, i i say, we’ll have one buckwheat. so he explained to me what my question is, what my question is, he explained, he says, well, it should be a joy, that is, fasting is a pleasure and a joy, and somehow like this, that’s why there can be fasting pancakes, lenten pies or something else too, but everything is really very simple in the task of fasting, we return to the topic of selfishness, the task of fasting includes that we at least forget about ourselves for a while , saving money on groceries, this

they gave the money to those, well, by the way, it’s very important i i just wanted to talk about this, the works of mercy and as an organic and obligatory part of fasting, it seems to me that in general , well, let’s say, a wide circle of fasting people don’t always think about it, not always, and that’s what so many of us are talking about, that’s all, there is a separate genre of christmas stories, well, it’s like a separate genre, all christmas stories are a must. about either about how you help, that is, about a miracle, but a miracle , that is, in any christmas story what happens, what i understood, that is, what should, what should happen during this post, well and or on the holiday of christmas, it’s usually absolutely wonderful on a holiday, that is, some kind of transformation should happen in your soul, something should open up, that is , it’s very interesting here and there, there are some kind of love divisions, well, sort of - transformation, oh, and me, or there, when a person there is wealthy and suddenly understands that i will deceive her. even dickens's christmas tale, but here are the changes of scrooge, yes, yes, well, yes, it all began with this, in fact, with this work, they

are all about this, and it was definitely that you definitely had to, that is, they were then bought for christmas itself, products both for the family and for that is, the house was open, the kitchen was open to everyone, that is, you could go into any house, well, more or less wealthy, with street, a person in need of something to eat, go on, eat, go on, but it’s interesting that not only in... but i mean, not only before, but on the holiday itself, that is, by and large , like that’s what a holiday is , how does a church holiday differ from a non-church holiday, but in that on a church holiday holiday, besides the fact that you sat there with friends, broke your fast, you still did something else, on this day or there, well, for those who can’t, for example, are in the hospital there, yes, he can’t, it seems to me, even this, first of all, perhaps, what are you doing for someone, we now call this... period of abstinence fasting, as if we focus on the food component, but fasting, yes, what was previously called

fasting, fasting, they are fasting, yes, that is, fasting is the three components of food fasting, prayer, and works of mercy, but here is saint john of chrysostom, another one, here is a saint of antiquity, how he talks about fasting, if you fast, he writes let not only your stomach fast, uh-huh, let your tongue fast, so as not to speak. eyes, so as not to look at the bad, ears, so as not to listen to gossip, hands, so as not to take someone else’s and feet , so as not to visit shameful places, if only, every post, at least this one thing, well, as if by choice we made, there , it would be just a paradise for landowners, and the problem is that we

unfortunately, sometimes we concentrate so much on... that when a holiday comes, for many people the brakes just seem to fail, and yes, finally, finally, it turns out that this entire period before the holiday passes in a non-learning format, something good, kind, and waiting, when will i get enough, when will my life return to sausage, yes, i even had one person say, i say i dream about cheese? i would like to give him cheese , say please dream about something else, it all depends on the person, yes, well, it’s interesting that the saint philoret drozdov, a saint already closer to us in time, who lived in the 19th century, was forced to be nikolavich’s great-grandfather, and the saint was forced to attend all sorts of social receptions . it must be said that we do not live... illusions about the piety of our ancestors in the 19th century. it must

be said that our nobility is not particularly sometimes she fasted, the nobility didn’t fast, noret had to attend receptions of the nobility... including fasting, and so, in order not to attract attention to himself, he picked something like that with a fork in his plate, and sometimes something like that ate, well, just so as not to look like a black sheep in this sense, yes, why, but it will be harder, so as not to offend people, that is, when you come, and the hostess has prepared everything, but she is not on duty, i have often encountered this, and if you suddenly , oh, and i’m fasting, she starts to get upset, yes, well, why do you want porridge, i, i, and she was cooking, it seems to me, right here, but there is another moment when you come and say, i’m fasting, i think, well the hostess prepared something, but mother, let’s be silent, it’s just better to eat, but not to offend, that’s the advice of christ and regarding fasting, such if you you fast, wash your hair with oil, that is, it was on gels in those days, get dressed, and

do your hair, decorate your face for the holiday. so that no one knows that you are fasting, because a feat performed in secret is much more expensive than this obvious, this clearly pharisaic manifestation of spirituality, i have some feeling that maybe this will inspire someone, right now all sorts of psychological trainings are very fashionable, it’s terrible, all kinds, look, i’m not talking about i’m not talking about training, i’m talking about that this is now a very fashionable topic, how to quit bad habits, and there is something like 21 days needed , fasting, it lasts a little longer, i don’t know, no, fasting lasts a little longer, i just know from myself that if you, either you don’t do something, or you do something during fasting, well, i don’t know, you start reading the gospel , there, yes, then, since it lasts more than 21 days, it really remains a good habit with you, from something that you don’t even really want to do after that, you kind of get out of the habit of it, no, this is absolutely understandable, but if this is a post,

then you have several things in one bottle, that is. you are getting rid of a bad habit or acquiring a good one, plus you are also fasting, what is your problem? friends, i understand that i’m basically superfluous here, but can i still , i’ll interrupt you for a second, look, firstly, as the same psychologists say, as far as i understand, 40 days is approximately the period for which something can become a habit, i think there is also yes, something can stop being a habit or something? to return to this temptation in the desert, that’s why, since we have such a frank conversation , look, the gospel story, why the devil comes at the end of fasting, because he understands that a person must be exhausted, he is tired, he fasted for 40 days , that is , he believes that he is at his weakest, at

his lowest point, yes, in his weakest state, and he is wrong, yes. because for christ these 40 days are just that, well, gaining strength and this is for us, well, it’s clear that we are now, that god and man are, so to speak, a completely special story, and we are not talking about this here now, but about the fact that, in theory , this is also a model for us, that is, by the end of the post you should feel stronger, it seems to me , i have questions for you and for you, father anthony, first of all, as for the pastor, and for your pastoral practice, are we succeeding in this, because we usually crawl towards the end of lent, i can do it on my own . not because of food, of course, here, that is, it turns out that it’s not so, by the way, here it is precisely the christian specificity of fasting that manifests itself as a spiritual practice, the fact is that abstinence from food, bowing , well, as if praying, as if in themselves, some other manifestations of religiosity, this

is not a purely christian story, after all muslims, jews, and representatives of other religious movements also fast, what is the actual christian feature of fasting, and it lies precisely in the fact that when you cheerfully begin fasting, yes, by the end of fasting you understand that god is strong, there’s almost nothing left, you’re barely crawling, and here, here, you begin to experience what the virtue of humility is, because humility is not humility. not some kind of self-deprecation, such an artificial word, humility, after all, comes from the concept of measure, when on the one hand i know my measure, i understand how small it really is, by the end of the post i begin experimentally, if i really approached this matter responsibly, i begin to understand that god’s power is truly made perfect in weakness, that my measure, that’s all

ended, i have no other options other than to turn to the lord, that’s all, i really need your support, and then , in fact, the christian content manifests itself in full. what are you talking about now, but it seems to me that the most difficult thing is the middle, he was mistaken, in the sense of horned , which, of course, it’s all very individual, when by the end, on the contrary, you already get used to it, i just remember, this year i for the first time, well , as if buckwheat is not a question for me, as it turned out, or there is something there, then i myself to myself, well, like some other additional ideas, no, i don’t come up with additional ideas for food, but for something, and i’m into it. year, for example, it was really not the nativity fast, but the great lent that i did, and i regularly went to, well, that is, i went to services there and talked with my confessor, and i

liked it so much, i think, why did i do this before i didn’t do it, and father alexey tells me, you’ll see, you’ll miss it, you’ll really regret it ending, but i also thought, why should i regret it if, well, if it’s over, why should i i can’t continue, but this is an interesting psychological moment , what and when, if he finished, that you don’t have to do this anymore, i’m probably really judging from the popovskaya bell tower, because the closer, the closer the holiday, the final one, in when the fast ends, the more people try to take part in the divine service, the longer the line for confession, the more people want to receive communion, the more intense and greater this spiritual communication becomes, and of course, of course, the closer the holiday, the less... and you now you understand that without there’s no way to get by with christ’s help here, because well, your strength, they’ve arrived , after all, what i shared is this human fatigue, in the parishioners, you

feel it, you know, people who are really, during lent they are trying to carry out this feat, as it were, the closer the holiday is, as if they become more transparent, brighter, this grace of god, it seems to begin to shine through them, because the person has worked hard, tried, it is clear what is there physical strength is exhausted, spiritual strength is already certain, yes the work has been done, and the person is probably tired somewhere, but some kind of amazing compensation happens with the grace of god, when a person somehow puts his pride, selfishness and self-admiration aside a little, lord, that’s how good it is indeed, the holiday is approaching, so i would need strength for this one too. and then not only have time to go to the service, but also to pray there at home , and to please your family with something, and to help those who need it, not only to please yourself,

to concentrate on yourself, but to try with others people, to share this expectation of the holiday and, well, to become according to the word of st. seraphim, yes, save yourself , many around you will be saved , to become a conductor of god’s grace, it seems to me, it is also very important not to torment your loved ones with fasting, children, especially, well, really many they torment, no, they torment, i don’t mean not to let them eat, but many , especially teenagers’ parents, begin to somehow suddenly become strict in trying to try them, you ’re there, and it’s the other way around, some kind of reverse, or because that it’s difficult for them and they need everyone around them to do the same, wait a minute, in my opinion, shmilevin kutyrin’s nephew recalls in his memoirs that during lent he was fed lenten eggs, there’s something else about lenten, yes, yes, no, it’s lenten, for some reason the chicken is fasting and will lay lenten eggs, but on the other hand on the other hand, it seems to me that shmilov wrote the summer of the lord in very hungry

times for himself, in exile, because there is a lot of concentration there, but a lot of different things are happening on this food component, well, because it’s not for me that it directly causes such pride, i think, my father, we had all this in russia, that means, but on the other hand, all these fasters, then in the seventeenth year, what... many of them, no, in this sense, i don’t know much more than anyone else, i like chekhov’s wonderful story about christmas time, when you remember, when there he is and there’s a crust and it’s all he’s doing prayers, he’s preparing, they put some vodka in him , everything, everything, everything, he’s describing it for a long, long time, the title of the story flew out of his head, and then he was grabbed , polyplexy, this is so much this is chekhov, this is chekhov, but with this is czechs with some. so chekhov can be assessed differently from a christian perspective, but this is, of course, a deeply christian story expressed in such a, well, partly foolish form, yes, because

here he is, right now, like this, the christmas post, the topic on which we have gathered our thoughts today, ksenia alferova, priest anthony borisov, i’m vladimir ligoida, if you like to gather thoughts with us, go to the website of the first channel 1tv.ru, there you will find all episodes of our podcast. we know about you, why is clean monday the first the day of lent, because it is necessary to clean everything modest, because they prepared so much for the ritual, so on monday the curtains on the windows are closed everywhere. were on the icons, the most important thing is that god doesn’t see, yes, how we are cleaning up, yes, hence clean monday, well, it was as if it was permeated, anyway, well, well, how i caught myself, it’s just a feeling from this, reading that everything just like now, when you talk about god or something else, it makes many people feel like, well , well, they don’t talk about this, or something like that there seems to be pathos in these words, but when people still lived with the feeling that , well, he’s everywhere, well, here he is, here, that is, he’s everywhere and every day, and maybe it’s there, but it’s my

fault and i don’t go there or pray there in the morning in the evening, but as if during the day i’m still with him, i remember, oh, i’m sorry , this kind of conscientiousness, there’s a very good story, i forgot nikifol now, there’s, he’s really talking about well, the essence is the same, that is, it is about lent, but i think the same thing happened to this boy on christmas day, when he is sent on maundy thursday, he is sent to confession, and that means no one knew, where are we returning again, well, that is, there are some things that no one sees and knows and will never know, father? will never know, but the child, he just lives in this atmosphere, the feeling that he is everywhere, yes, we did something bad, but we know what he sees, we are still ashamed inside ourselves, and he is there very much, he talks about and he says, even so to him, here it describes what the child feels before confessing, the fact is that he ate the sausage, but i, well , he gave me this, but he suffers from this, he suffers terribly, well, from the fact that he, and he cannot do this.

open, well, because it’s still a kind of grown-up feeling , in my opinion, that now is what i would like, for example, and it would be easier for me if people around were like that, pay attention , there is still a lot of formalism, as one child wrote, father, i love you not only in church, that is, when we go out , yes, he sees it like parents, that is, like everything is so orderly, but at home it’s a little different, well, you see, there’s something to think about, because as far as i understand , this is the practice with which they did it before the revolution, before the revolution, by and large, fasting - these are four multi-year fasts yes , there were people who served in the army, there was generally fasting, confession, communion once a year, even for ordinary civilians it was enough to go to confession and receive communion once a year, so here we are in our present representation before the revolutionary russia, we have greatly overtaken it, very much, but if we have people who every

sunday. i’m not just talking when you say the words, but when you feel so bad from this little piece, it burns yourself, i said about it, that because he knows that god sees, well, yes, no, well, it’s natural, because the child i grew up in this feeling, which now, maybe we are very disciplined , but it has been lost in many ways, this is a living, living god, of course, yes, of course, it is in these texts , i know, unfortunately, our... time, it flies by so quickly, at least when you have such wonderful interlocutors, i want to put it on a literary note, so don’t leave it to end there, uh, there is such a concept, reading for lent, yes, here i am, for example, during great lent , i’ve been re-reading augustine’s confession for many, many years, yes, for christmas now i’m thinking about what i should read, so i would like us to end here, so that you would advise something, or say what you are planning, or advise , from my big list, so to speak, specifically for christmas post, that's what you could read. i'm talking about

secular literature? well, for me, for example, that is, i think that even though you, the summer of the lord, is a must-have book for all holidays, and there are absolutely wonderful collections of christmas stories, many publishing houses now make them, they always have a very good selection , they create this is still correct, they are simpler, that is, not everyone will read theological literature, they create this correct, festive, so pure, they are very pure, ringing, like the rule is everything, they have this correct feeling of both preparation and the holiday of lent, it is much easier with this feeling to do all the things that we should do during lent, or rather, it creates in you the right feeling, you shouldn’t, but you i want to spend these days just like this, this is perhaps the most valuable thing that you get from these books, thank you, you know, romanovich, the problem sometimes is that

it’s difficult with docents, of course, religious books are sometimes not at all christian in their own way you know this message, but it happens that the books seem to be absolutely non-religious, but essentially christian, but i’ll try , maybe find a middle ground , you know, i would love to re-read lavra, vodolaskin, yes, at one time i was very impressed by the book ... archibald cronin, the keys of the kingdom, yeah, this is what the seminary students really pierced me then, although it seems like a book about a catholic priest, but nevertheless, there are some completely, well, in a good sense, general christian things written in there, when it becomes clear that the truly religious backbone, the corset on which we often rely, must

be filled with sincere faith and mercy, thank you very much, i usually ask questions and do not answer, but here i would like to join you, it seems to me that the boy of christ on the dostoevsky christmas tree, but so important for fyodor mikhailovich and maybe for all of us , amazing, amazing, kuprino, here are all our classics, everyone definitely has them, the same chekhov actually has other stories there, yes, but fedora mikhailovich, after all, with all my love for sasha, for sasha the black, no , they just have this theme of a boy on a yumka, it ’s like that, because this is actually the theme, there is also a very good poem, and about just about an angel, who gave a christmas tree to that same good boy, well, we’ll have to do one more program, we’ll record another program, thank you very much, dear friends, ksenia alferova, priest anthony borisov, i’m vladimir ligoido, today we

were gathering thoughts about the nativity fast and its main meanings . all the best good luck. this is a must-read podcast, yaglaya nabatnikova, director, writer, today my guests are children's writer sofia remes and writer ivan shepnegov, we will discuss the work of nosov and dragunsky, classics of children's literature, nosov and dragonsky, one might say, became the founders of the genre. prose, realistic, what is their innovation, in fact, probably, precisely in the fact that just this world of realistic childhood, it was created among the first, by these very writers, right under dragonsk’s nose, a lot

humor, something that, oddly enough, is missing in children's literature, although it would seem that for children, in general, everything should be fun, but unfortunately, this is usually fantasy, usually some kind of fairy tales, travel stories, adventures, there is always something with magic, in the realistic stories of both dragonsky and nosov, magic is what the children themselves see, there is, say , some kind of hat that comes to life, or there is a firefly, which is like a magical piece of something magical glows, yes, that is, this is the magic that exists in our real life, which you don’t need to invent it on purpose, you just need to see it and capture it, well, it seems to me that they are taking some fragment of reality, right? with their focus, well, they see ordinary everyday situations as magical adventures, we can say so, but they only enhance, let’s say, all the effects, for example, in the story of dragoon, if i were an adult, a very simple situation is taken,

the child imagines, what would happen if he were an adult, and those around him were adults, they were all children, and accordingly he would control them, and he... such a truly sadistic a picture in which this is a very funny story , it is very small, i really recommend everyone to read it, it simply takes ordinary phrases that parents use, ordinary situations and rearranges them, as if it turns the situation around, yes, when the grandmother comes and the meanings, what kind of dirty stick is this, where did our granny go, her neck is wet, covered in dirt, that is, this is all really what we say, parents tell children and we recognize all these phrases, we recognize it all, so it's like koschei well, that’s all, it’s funny, because it’s true, because we recognize it all and , as it were, a slight exaggeration gives this comic effect, and indeed nosovo and

dragonsky have very, very funny stories. vanya, please tell me, what do you think is the difference between the worlds of nosov and dragunsky, one worked in the forties, nikolai nosov, yes, viktor dragunsky. this is already the sixties, a little later, there are some features of the world of each child’s world, they are fundamentally different, but very different cool, and friend, very funny, it seems to you that your nose is very sad, yes, well, i can explain, when i was preparing , i re-read it, i thought that i hadn’t read it, i need to read it again, i was surprised to find, well in general, i have this peculiarity that i constantly have some... phrases from literature spinning in my head that i once read when i was 5 years old, so i memorized three words, they have been spinning around in my head all my life, i don’t remember where, what it just means i was hooked, one of these phrases was in my head: bitter porridge is not salty, i