macedonia, russian foreign minister sergei lavrov. let's listen. we are witnessing the complete degradation of everything that was created in the osce, and before that within the framework of the conference on security and cooperation in europe, the degradation of everything that was created in all three dimensions of security, in the military-political, in the economic and environmental and humanitarian and human rights i will not give examples, but i will only say that we are convinced that our western colleagues have not learned any lessons from their failed line of destruction security and cooperation organizations in europe, with tenacity that deserves better use, continue to achieve it, 95% of the speeches of our western colleagues were devoted to this yesterday, and only... a few sober

voices still reminded that the osce was created in order to in order to cooperate and ensure mutual security, well , the minister stated how he now feels about this organization and how important its existence is for him, let’s listen, many different feelings arose yesterday, during the meeting, during... just, when we're in we talked in the corridors, and today this feeling is strengthening, this is the most important feeling, indifference, the organization has already turned itself into something that, for example, causes me indifference regarding what will happen to it next, well, those who know sergei lavov, how seriously he takes dialogue... contact, you need

to understand that if he says such things, then in general, this is serious, and this is not just from my point of view, the result of the fact that they again once they got it, although they also tried to get it, but of course, a serious assessment of this organization , what do you think about this, andrei ivanovich denisov, you are a member of the federation council, the first for... chairman of the federation council committee on international affairs, in your rich diplomatic career, you were also a representative of russia in the un, that is you know how to work with international organizations, what do you think about this episode, where the minister of foreign affairs came to a session of an organization where russia is a member, in general, very few people wanted to hear him, and tried to

an opportunity to show your negative attitude towards russia, without caring in the process, but about the effectiveness of your own organization? well, this is actually the whole point, because any international organization is built on the basis of agreement, on the basis of some common platform that allows one to come to this agreement, even regarding issues on which there is no agreement initially, because to say that let's agree to disagree, this is a bad principle that simply leads to a dead end, then the question arises, why this at all? the international institute was created why it functions, we must pay tribute to our minister, he spoke out definitely, to a certain extent harshly, but still, still quite restrained, we remember that at the press conference they tried to provoke him to make a statement of such a harsher nature.

something like slamming doors, but the minister is a sophisticated, very experienced person, probably the most experienced foreign minister currently working, of course he is not into these, frankly speaking, cheap tricks gave in, but be that as it may, yes, you are absolutely right in saying that some do not listen, some do not perceive, some, including representatives of such serious influential countries, including the united states, are satisfied. kind of such demonstrative actions, that is, leaving the meeting itself under various pretexts, just to not be present at the meeting, but the platform remains, the podium remains, and maybe even this kind of action draws attention to the speech to an even greater extent our minister to the views he expounds, after all, look at what happened at the press conference, even judging by the television footage, there were crowds in the aisles, there were people standing near the walls, there was simply no room for everyone who wanted

to fit into the hall where this press conference took place, so it seems to me that my goal was to convey our position, we, thanks to... first of all, and indeed only to the efforts of our minister, have fully achieved it, that is , the minister did not go there in vain, from your point of view, but there is no doubt about it, the minister does nothing in vain when you come to the conclusion that you would rather not go, it can be built on information that you did not have, if you had not gone, if the minister says that he has decided... it doesn’t matter, but it seems to me that i will talk about this in a couple of minutes, it seems to me that he is expressing a completely justified attitude towards this organization, general, yes, i just can’t resist, i still worked for 12 years in this organization, starting in

1992, and well, i wasn’t there all the time, but i spent six months a year there when they went negotiations on a conventional armed forces treaty forces, adaptation of the treaty to the vienna documents. security issues were discussed, it was in the field of security, it was really interesting, really an organization, it lived, and russia, which made great efforts to do, well, first turn it from a meeting into an organization, then adopt a charter, so the charter was not adopted, by the way, no there are no documents that regulate the activities of the osce, so when they say, invite them. or not invited, there is no such thing, it is simply the responsibility of the chairman to send an invitation, so all this continued until 1999, from 1999 , when it was simply stated, and nato did not hide it, that nato was responsible for security, the european union was responsible for the economy,

for the rest, including russia, here is the third basket, elections, rights man, this is what guys do, but let’s do serious business... i have a more radical position here compared to my comrades, professional diplomats, i remember very well 75, when this organization was created in sin and with the help of deception, he called me, who was then for the soviet union, about how pleased they are that they managed to agree on the creation of this organization, how it will strengthen security in europe, he says, in fact, why did they agree to this? i told him this honestly, beats me,

which meant, i have no idea, because the essence of this document was that the first basket was a guarantee of the preservation of borders, the preservation of the borders of the soviet union and the warsaw pact countries at that moment no one was serious did not threaten, the second basket was economic cooperation, there were a lot of good words and nothing concrete, and the third basket, the third basket, was actually a mandate, but the intervention of the west in the heart of russia, there it is that russia, for the first time, was not so directly stated in such a specific one, but the essence was in the form there were even more early obligations, but of a general nature, when the united nations was created, and

here for the first time russia in a specific form actually agreed that foreign states have the right not only to have their own opinion about the russian one. internal affairs that they can monitor this, put pressure on russia , the soviet union, then regarding the soviet internal order, i could never understand this, then i understood, i understood, not by studying secret documents, but by reading the memoirs of a number of people who were then in the foreign ministry, people such as georgy arbatov, director of the institute of the usa and canada, assistants. it became clear to me that one idea these people had was that the brezhnev soviet union, during periods of stagnation, was going in the wrong direction, and it would be nice

to revive it, give some kind of energy, but do more, i don’t know how to say it correctly, accountable. soviet system , then it would be a good idea to join this organization, in general, i don’t see anything criminal in this, with one exception, they did not share this motive with the top... leadership of the country, i repeat, this is all in the memoirs the very people who took part in this, and when these memoirs were published, the other participants in this situation were quite alive, active, and no one disputed this version, no one disputed this version. why am i saying this, i'm saying that today russia has to deal, but if you want, with the harsh facts of life, and that

the deception on the part of the west in the relations of the soviet union, russia, it began before the minsk agreements until 2014, that they were carefully looking for some kind of international forms that would tie russia's hands and will in no way oblige the west to anything. therefore, if the minister of foreign affairs of russia today has complete indifference to the relations of this organization, then it seems to me that this is not only justified, it seems to me that this is good news, that’s what about this to do, this is another question, this is a question, as you said, senator, this is a question of pragmatism, looking at what the organization can give at the moment, i ask you, you know, already in the seventy-fifth year, when they signed in such a very good environment,

festively, the final act of the meeting on security cooperation in europe, there were already alarming moments, which, in particular, indicated that they were largely insincere even then in the seventy-fifth year. i’ll give one very serious example in this regard, an important concession from the west to us, as everyone believed, the recognition of the inviolability of the post-war borders and the recognition of the german democratic republic, and indeed in the final act and in the documents that, collectively, during the same period of time were signed between the german democratic republic, the federal republic of germany and so on, between us and the four states in west berlin, in general there seemed to be concessions, but look, on the day when the final act was signed, the embassy of the federal republic of germany in moscow, with by courier, with a diplomat

of not the highest rank, i sent a note, a note, to the ministry of foreign affairs of the ussr, where it was written that - the federal republic of germany, at the same time as the signing of the final act, they ask to take into account the special position regarding the unity of germany, that if the situation changes in europe, then all... the parameters associated with the border structure will change, including the problems of the german democratic republic, to be honest, we simply did not know how to approach this document, because it contradicted the spirit and literally, they were high-ranking employees, i worked in the ministry of foreign affairs, well, and then you were , among other things, the ambassador to saudi arabia, yes that was, well, during this period of time we were engaged, that’s what you’re talking about , this is not your impression. this is not your study of the subject, you knew it from the inside, yes, yes, yes,

we teach this to our students now, we tell them how attentive they need to be and how they need to treat these things, these are not details, this, this, you know, this is a line based on having some opportunities for a sharp turnaround in the future, this is such an example, now look further, if we take the preparatory work of the meeting on security and cooperation in europe. it was also striking that the first and second basket, military affairs, economic affairs, were inferior in the number of documents that came from the west, about three times, to those preparatory documents that were for the third basket, that is, you are absolutely right that a mine was already being laid at that time under a peaceful life in europe, by now - scaling up opportunities to penetrate to us along the line of the third basket in the line of human rights and so on, all of this is actually a demagogue who at that time ... was, so the picture is such that in terms of the balance

of forces in 1975, the west made a concession to us, but it made such a concession that it created certain groundwork for a counter-offensive in the future, which is what happened, to fight the soviet union, i ’m very sorry, it was an important interesting discussion, i started it myself, but in general now we need to move on to the wrong things, he thinks in general it no longer matters, to something that is very relevant, to what is happening now between israel and hamas, the situation in gaza we will have two, as i assume, quite different points view, from israel and from palestine. let's start with our frequent guest, our regular participant, yakov kedmi, an israeli public figure, and yakov, i won't ask you a long question, you know what

's happening, that the truce has stopped, that military action: because hamas is not fulfilled the agreement that was on the release of women and children, the last batch that was supposed to be, he said that he did not know where to find them, 17 women and children, some of them were distributed from hostages to other organizations and families, we said , since there is no surrender of hostages , the truce ends, the fact that 2 hours before they fired rockets at israeli territory, this also played a role, since then there have been

military operations, military actions, they are going in two directions, weeks have been israeli the army is occupied, half , that is, the entire northern part of the middle of gaza, there are only three areas left that have not been cleared, now they are being cleared, israeli tanks crossed the gaza river and moved south, now there is an offensive to the south, the main goal is khanyunes, hanyunes is the homeland of hamas , everyone is concentrated there, and the main tunnels are warehouses and hamas commands, samsonvar, he comes from hanyunes, uh, and israel is preparing to enter hanyunes to clear it of all other territories, where the tunnels are believed to be located, for the first part of hostilities

more than 400 tunnels and wells were destroyed, i want to note, in the territory that was occupied by the israeli army, in every mosque, in every hospital, in every school, under each of them there was a military base, weapons depots, missile launch pads, everywhere , and today, when preliminary preparations are underway for the attack on khanyunas, aviation is precision bombing, there is no carpet bombing, it is bombing those buildings under which, according to our information, there are tunnels or missile depots, or there are combat, combat points hamas, that is, from a military point of view, now everything is returning to the capture of the southern part of gaza, from a political point of view , what we heard from the americans, the americans

said that you do not have several months to complete the operation, well, no several... months, then a month, one and a half, a few weeks, i think this will be enough to finish with hamas, about the political decision gas, in israel there is no definite opinion, no decision has been made, there is one position of benjamin, which not supported the majority of the political structure of israel is to prevent the power of the palestinian economy, all the autonomy of all... gas, because this will lead to the creation of a palestinian state. much of israel's politics does not share this view, and the united states has announced that it is in favor of handing over the gaza strip, after hamas is no longer there, to the palestinian authority, which will be strengthened, in which its

security services will be strengthened, as the first step in beginning the process to creation of the palestinian today in the arab world hamas is supported, not in arabic, and in general in the world only qatar supports, the only one, and while hamas exists, the main political support is from turkey, due to ideological proximity to the muslim brothers, well, there is some support from malaysia, but this does not play any role, everyone else arab countries are still, wait and see... a position regarding the future power of hamas in gaza or removing it from power before the problems are resolved, the majority of arab countries are against hamas and saudi arabia, and egypt and other arab states, it is clear that gulf countries, and how

events develop will determine everything, how quickly the fighting will end. combat actions have two purposes. the first goal is our belief that it was only because of the first ground operation that hamas agreed to the hostage exchange agreement. on those arrested, now the goal of these ninety hamas is to the point where it will once again exchange hostages, the second goal is to destroy hamas, so that there is no hamas in gaza, then the israeli army will leave gaza, all those messages that exist, that were in the media, but the eviction of the arab population from gas, squeezing it out, migration to other countries. this is just nonsense or some kind of statements by experts from themselves. in israel, no one talks about this seriously and

two things are seriously announced together. first: the israeli army will not remain in gaza after the defeat of hamas. secondly, it will come under arab rule. and the biden administration, including the president personally, expressed, well, if not condemnation of israel’s actions, then let’s say, expressed concern about the actions israel, and made it clear that israel, from washington’s point of view, is going too far in, if you like, expanding military operations in gaza, in such a way that the civilian population is very much affected, on the other hand, the administration has not yet said, as far as i... know , at least, did not publicly say that american assistance to israel is somehow conditioned by changes

in israeli military tactics, were there any warnings to israel from the biden administration, something in israeli tactics must change, otherwise it may be under attack turn out to be american support for the jewish state, no, there were no such statements , directly, not indirectly, not in hints, it was said that during military operations it is desirable that there be as few casualties as possible among the civilian population, well, we listened to it politely, the americans said this for protocol or in order to calm my public opinion, i don’t know, but uh, we know very well how the americans acted, how who acted in such cases, and the question that we always ask. we have always asked, and you know how you can destroy hamas, which is hiding behind the civilian population, without this

population suffering losses, we don’t know, not a single army in the world knows, so - there is no pressure from the united states yet, but they rightly say from their point of view that more than a few months, we will not be able to continue for several months with such... such bombings, but we are not going to continue for several months, i hope within a few weeks hamas will be destroyed. yakov, thank you very much, thank you for your time for your very a clear position, thank you, and now we move on to mohammed najib, a journalist, war correspondent and military analyst from ramala. ramala is located on the west bank, that is, in the arab territories that israel is trying to control, let's say, with

varying degrees of success. mohammed, thank you very much for your time, tell me what is happening in gaza now from your point of view? in fact, now israel is trying to take revenge and is acting against civilians, gas and acting in violation of the laws of war, they are striking mosques, hospitals, the israelis demanded that the palestinians leave their homes and go south, the gaza strip, a real catastrophe is happening, and this has been going on for many, many days. requires people to go south of the border with egypt. and the border

is closed, it is necessary to ensure the delivery of humanitarian aid, the gas sector, but this time israel has closed all borders, they are not allowing the transport of fuel that hospitals need to operate, as a result, people are now suffering in the gas sector. and this is an act of revenge, this the fight is not with hamas, with the civilian population, about 15,000 people died, 30,000 were wounded, 55 cars and ambulances were destroyed, doctors and employees of medical

institutions are dying, people are unable to receive medical care, this is an unprecedented situation, this is a war against the civilian population. and this only worsens the situation of the civilian population. the israelis say they are at war with hamas, but even here, where i am now, on the west bank, we see israel acting against the palestinians. population, against the civilian population. and here too. more than 250 civilians have died, a huge number of palestinians are in israeli prisons, and they do not have the opportunity to see their families or lawyers, so the situation is catastrophic, there is a war against the palestinian people, in gaza, on the west

bank. thank you, you said that 250 people died, civilians on the western coast, please tell us under what circumstances they died and over what period of time. this is information for the current day, almost every day. every day refugee camps on the west bank of the jordan river are attacked and clashes occur between palestinians and the israeli defense forces ; people are constantly killed and wounded , sometimes as a result of the actions of the israeli military, and sometimes as a result of the actions of israeli settlers. because they also

attack palestinians, they also act aggressively, they attack palestinian villages, just yesterday the day before yesterday similar things happened, so there are attacks both from the israeli army and from israeli settlers who live in settlements in the western... mr. najib, thank you very much for your time and you also very clearly stated your position to us, but a position that, as i understand it, is shared by the majority of the population of the western bank, thank you, we hope to see you again on our air, professor baklanov, you have heard, two points of view, your opinion, well, this...

the points of view do not fit together very seriously, but the question arises, in general, it is possible to understand what happened and is happening, it is possible, you can, but then you need to have one a certain integrity and maybe courage in judgments, you see, you need to separate the radical elements in each camp from everything else, here is israel, with which we will not, i think, spoil relations, we restored relations with them, it was with great difficulty, and our strategic course is normal, our interstate relations will be maintained, but because what is happening now, of course, is clearly an overkill with bombings and so on, but if we take the palestinians, what happened, well, if hamas wanted to express the point of indignation of, well, a large number of the population, gases, that they have been living for a long period of time, in fact, with

a large number of restrictions, and so on, well, what they did is to improve the situation in gas , whether these issues are resolved or not, one must always look not at what politicians often talk about goals, a real politician, in addition to goals, he must calculate what this will lead to, what what the hamas did led to, led to that 70% of houses where people lived were destroyed yesterday, 50% of them will be impossible to restore, blood is shed, and so on, in fact, hamas as an organization and the military wing in particular, set up... its own people, the population of gaza, and gave the cherished such argumentation to certain the force within israel, israel, which is not homogeneous, was rabin, who, by the way, was killed, a man, so he is a sialist, but he had such,

after all, flexible approaches, he really strived to solve this problem, but there are those who are more rigidly minded , now more rigid are set up, they have a clear argumentation, so that one excess leads to the appearance of an excess on the part of another opposing country, so here you know, in order to overcome this confrontation, it is necessary to give a clear assessment of the harmfulness of the actions. on the one hand on the other hand, and at the same time we probably still shouldn’t forget who was the first in this case to start the wave of degeneration, it’s hamas, it’s hamasaz on the air, a big game,

what we know for sure is that fighting has resumed in the sector gas, and as we just heard, is happening... there are also enough palestinians, enough for us to understand that this is serious, that this is something that we should think about and we should worry about, at the same time i hear a little less warnings that the conflict may end up -under control, and that there could be an escalation that would lead, well, if not to a world... war, then at least, if you want, to some kind of big explosion, a political and military explosion in the middle east, your opinion , general, you know, i uh, of course, with i respect the opinion of yakov kedmi, but

it seems to me that his judgment that in a few more weeks and hamas will be destroyed is somewhat, you know, too optimistic, yes, indeed, the arab world so far, well, let’s say, is not the same , that he supports israel, but for now maintains such , you know, neutrality, but the result of an explosion in the arab world, i personally do not exclude, as long as hezbollah behaves quite restrainedly , although exchanges of blows have already begun, so to speak, while they are not so intense and hezbollah no, i’ve only used half of it so far the range of weapons that it has, israel threatens to turn it into a pile of rubble, they take it, since it’s the same thing that it does with gas, but uh, i want

to repeat again, i don’t rule out that it will come to this, i don’t think i’ll repeat this again, for several weeks, uh, those warnings that the united states makes... the united states makes, well, last week austin made such a keynote speech, he emphasized what was needed as much as possible, not just to avoid civilian casualties, but what is needed protect the civilian population, if you do not protect the civilian population, then as the conflict develops, this civilian population will simply join the ranks of... hamas. moreover, hamas is not a regular army with a vertical command structure, it is an organization consisting of cells, with a horizontal structure, they killed one, so to speak, leader,

another immediately takes over, they killed one fighter, so to speak, several new ones are recruited at once , therefore, i repeat once again, from my point of view, this is only the beginning of the conflict, not his the end, is by no means its peak, israel will still have to, if they want, although i repeat once again, completely destroy hamas... as an organization, this goal is generally unrealistic, so all this will continue not just for several weeks, but for several months, or even longer, israel will be destroyed purposefully, now the north, then the south, we saw what is happening, how houses are simply destroyed one after another, uh, absolutely, so to speak, en masse, and i don’t exclude it... escalation, i think that

the arab world will tolerate this situation for a long time, when there is such a mass murder of palestinians, although i agree, not everyone in the arab world loves the palestinians, but nevertheless, some kind of solidarity still exists, thank you, i want to ask you, senator, when we think about escalation, we are probably asking ourselves, we should be asking ourselves, what else can the parties to the conflict do... i want you to react to the statement of the head of one of the israeli intelligence services, what he believes israel should have the right to do, let's listen, cabinet ministers set a goal for us, as they say on the street, this is the elimination of hamas, and we are determined to do this, this is our munich, it is everywhere, in gaza, in israel, in lebanon, in turkey , in qatar, everywhere, it will take several years, but we will be there to solve the problem at hand. the responsibility for safety lies with us. unfortunately, we were unable

to do this on october 7th. i think we're going from strength to strength now. we do not sit back and learn from what happened. let me be more specific. of course, so far the terrorists, fortunately, have not managed to do anything on the territory russia has nothing like what hamas did to israel. exactly, but nevertheless, there were attacks. and they threaten new ones. this is a separate topic, we will naturally talk about it, but i’m trying to imagine that the head of the russian special service would say that this is where these terrorists are, wherever they are financed, wherever they are armed, that we will go there and punish them, i think that it is no coincidence that russia will not say this, because it would really be a dangerous escalation, and israel can do anything... allow it? well, dmitry, it depends

situation, we must still proceed from the principle of historicism, from a specific situation in a specific historical time. we also remember our phrase about where we will kill terrorists if we find them, this is reality, and this is also a reflection of the real situation that arose when this phrase was uttered. as for the position of the heads of the israeli security services, they have. these services, i don’t really understand this whole composition, but one thing is absolutely obvious, that all of them, all of them, well, from the glance of such, you know, an outsider, and also not specialists, they are all responsible for what happened on october 7, now they need to somehow protect themselves on the one hand, on the other hand, let’s say , return to the assessment of that situation, well, not like that, it can be acute. for them personally, well , finally, we need to somehow mobilize

public opinion in israel, to be honest, i don’t know how the situation is there, but it looks like this is a national position, because look, today is december 4th, yes , in 3 days it will be 7 december, december 7, this means 2 months from the very day, october, november, december, when the hamas terrorist attack occurred. and now the question arises: is it just 2 months, or is it 2 whole months. the time factor plays a very important role here. in any case, if we record the situation today, then there is such a double hopelessness, in my opinion, on the one hand, there is no vision as to how this conflict can be resolved, how this can be... stopped, this the first uncertainty

, the second uncertainty, what to do with palestine, when and if, and we say the arabic word inshallah, this conflict will still be stopped, because experts, i am not one, but i follow the thoughts of political scientists, arabists, there are somewhere- then there are five options for solving the palestinian problem. yes, there, uh, i won’t go into depth now, but there are other experts, well, for example, irina svagelskaya, from the institute of world relations, who says: that none of these five options really works, not the very possibility of its implementation is visible and here, really , what to do, give up or somehow mobilize the international community to find some acceptable options for getting out of the current situation, as i say again,

which from today is seen as hopeless, this is where we stand, i agree with you that the statement that we... the leaders of the israeli intelligence service, that it reflected the internal needs and political situation in israel, but what caught my attention was this the categoricalness with which he said that israel can act where they see fit, the word is everywhere, they have, of course, been striking at iran for many years, for example, they have been striking at lebanon, they have been striking at... syria and in general , they managed to do this without being subjected to any serious retaliation, well, i imagined what if they decided to strike qatar, where, by the way, the political leadership of hamas is located, and even more i imagined what if they decided to strike turkey, which

many believe is israel's political patron of hamas, that's what happened... then what do you think, ambassador? i think you are raising this question very rightly, because, before our eyes, it can very quickly develop from a statement into some kind of practical action, then stopping a large regional war will be extremely, extremely difficult, we see we need to return to two things, the first - this impact on public opinion is third-party in israel and among the palestinians. who are still inclined to evaluate positively only those who are in a militant mood to beat, kill in the opposite direction and so on, but this will not lead anyone, well, okay , the special services, well, that’s probably their task, to take revenge on those who attacked this state, although there is an obvious overkill here,

in my opinion, we have a consensus here regarding this, it’s good, but why is all this happening, because this is happening because of the unsuccessful... summer policy and the position of the same israel towards the palestinians in general - in the nearby territories including gaza, the west bank, that’s unsuccessful their position, policy leads to the fact that people do not abandoned by their lives and they are looking for a way out, unfortunately, they are inclined, sometimes, as happened with gas, to believe those who promise a quick, radical solution to this issue , including the military way. and this provocation , because it is based largely on the definite opinion of the majority of those who live in gaza, they elected hamas, there are a lot of such very complex works, this matter cannot be solved in one fell swoop, but the wisdom of the international is needed community in order to influence the parties, unfortunately,

the international community , as you and i see, is not in the best shape itself ; the security council cannot unite, as it did in november, say, of the seventh year, to adopt some analogue of resolution 242. this requires a return to normal relations between the united states of america and the russian federation, well, just the other day, literally american colleagues suggested that we meet in early january in geneva and talk, if this reflects the inclination of the united states of america, at least on expert level to begin moving towards that. in order to jointly somehow influence, because i am sure that it is better than the mechanism of co-sponsorship, american, russian, well , there was no mechanism for a positive influence on the middle east crisis, this is our guideline, but so far there are no prerequisites for launching this positive there is no work yet,

so we must all work on the mistakes, both the parties to the conflict and those who should help from the outside. resolution of this tragedy, i agree with you that if we could all do this, or at least russia united states, at the very least , the potential for escalation would be sharply reduced, i see no signs of this yet, and as for the statements of israeli leaders about what they are ready to do, that’s what i want to say, i, as they say , humanly i understand well, because what was done: against israel on october 7, but my blood boils, on the other hand, i remember how - a few months ago i interviewed the minister. foreign affairs lavov, i asked him about his reaction to some western statements, and moreover,

actions, and he said, well, my hands are itching, but he made it clear that when you occupy responsible government positions, it is natural for you to itch your hands, russia is not ruled by pacifists, but from the other side. well, you need to think about the consequences of your actions, and it seems to me that if israeli leaders from different parties, in different positions, had consistently thought about the consequences of their actions for decades, that what happened would never have happened , what do you think? well here, in general , nothing can be said, in my opinion, but i will say, it can be said from my point of view definitely in one sense, that if

they were involved in the arab-israeli conflict, the rights of the palestinians, they would not even create a palestinian state, but simply did not systematically humiliate the palestinian population of the west bank, if they had not put gaza in such a powerless state, i don’t think that the attack that took place on october 7 would have happened, this in no way justifies hamas, because there are things that cannot be justified, but if you are responsible statesman, i would like to hope that israel is led by responsible statesmen, they must understand that they made not only tactical mistakes, but also strategic ones, systematic inattention to the settlement of the palestinian conflict about not just inattention, but arrogance, refusal to consider this real problem, the desire to drive it somewhere

, to put it away somewhere, as they say , out of sight, to calm down on this, this is completely obvious, and here, it seems to me, there cannot be two opinions, but firstly, history is not the subjunctive mood is known, secondly , in any case, all this has already happened, and now what is important is what will happen, and what will happen is completely unclear, and it is unclear because the conflict has taken on some simple, albeit limited from the point of view of geography, but truly apocalyptic proportions, at least from the point of view of the victims of the palestinian people, yes , in general, israel also bears certain sacrifices, and to see here, uh, uh, to see here, you have to have a lot of imagination to see any possibility exit, but i i agree that... the efforts of the two sides , the palestinians on one and israel on the other , cannot resolve this situation. we’re leaving for advertising,

we’ll be back in just a few minutes , let’s talk briefly about one interesting statement, from my point of view, a very alarming statement by the us secretary of defense. the opportunity to hear and be heard is equally important for everyone. vladimir putin will answer questions from citizens and journalists live. you can ask your question now by calling 8800 200 40-40 via sms to number 0. 4040 or through the websites moskwadefisputinu.ru and moskvadefisputinu.r. all details are on the

websites. we will try to make sure that no question goes unnoticed. results of the year with vladimir putin on december 14 at 12:00 moscow time. montechoca cognac, a product of the stellar group, here is his real passport, in his name arnold dejic. he used this passport to travel to the uk. an operative of the highest class, he attracted a number of disinterested assistants, sources, and invaluable secret information to cooperation with soviet foreign intelligence. kim philby recommended donald maclean as his friend, whom he knew shared the communist ideology, 17 or 20 agents are outstanding achievements, but

the most important thing is the cambridge five. halen dalis assesses that the cambridge five are the most effective, most powerful group of intelligence officers of the second world war. recruitment is the intelligence officer's sharpest weapon, but it is double-edged and can be cut on any person. for the first time, the foreign intelligence service of the russian federation has declassified documents. before us is a map on which the exact place of death is marked. yes, even was no longer alive. and as they say, his business, it lived to win, the premiere, the names of illegal intelligence, arnold deitch, on sunday on the first. the biden administration's position on ukraine is that

the united states supports ukraine as a " victim of aggression, supports it with money, supports it with weapons, supports it with intelligence information, but that the united states itself is in no way a party to the conflict, so any response, a military response from russia against the united states, would be absolutely illegitimate. in this context, i want us to listen to what the american position was recently stated. usa, general austin. we will not let hamas or putin win. we will not allow our enemies to weaken or divide us. so while we support israel, we remain focused on ukraine, and we remain fully capable of deploying forces to meet our commitments to dedicate resources to different theaters of operations. the usa is the most powerful country in

the world and we can walk around and chew gum. simultaneously. this is the first time that i know of a senior administration official in this context calling russia an enemy, saying that the united states will act against russia as an enemy, what do you think, well, first of all, it all sounds like a mantra, and that kind of thing, verbal balancing act, this is more in my opinion, and not a sign of strength, this is the first, second, well, in the end, if you know, there is such an english proverb, if it barks like a dog and looks like a dog, then it is probably a dog, so here it is same thing, well what is new here for us, the enemy, this is really an enemy, this is how , unfortunately, we are perceived and not only now on

the material that is called ukrainian, but it was the same before, maybe this is not an article. with such, i don’t know, with such an extreme, but what was, remains, this is the reality with which we are dealing, we must be soberly aware that, unfortunately, it will not be any other way, your opinion, well , my opinion is that foreign policy issues should be dealt with by professional politicians, diplomats, and not on behalf of the state, so that gave some fundamental approaches from the minister of defense, this speaks of the complete militarization of the foreign policy of the united states of america and a very great danger, but if he is a military man and a strategist, he could estimate, but what will such harsh formulations of the question lead to, already now, according to the data cited by our president, we are increasing our military production at a very fast pace, faster than even before the second world war, that is, he is encouraging those who fear:

the united states of america will increase its military potential. i think this is a completely short-sighted policy even from the point of view of the interests of the united states of america itself. therefore, it seems to me that it is very dangerous that these types of evil, but not very deep -thinking people, are currently in the leadership of the united states. it would be more pleasant for us if , of course, some traditions of the departed kitchener and other people were revived, as well. they were tough on us in their relationship , but they were still realistic and understood that a military solution would be deadly for one and the other side, thank you, general, you know, he, he had several very interesting expressions, that firstly, the beginning of the ukrainian conflict and in general the entire ukrainian conflict was generated by the arrogance and malice of president putin, also

a very interesting statement, but in general i think that for ... a person, and austin , he’s still a four-star general , we won’t give these spells, we won’t allow them, we will win, we have the resources, well, all that remains is to say that if you say so, things will go as they go now we are ready to start a nuclear war, that's the only thing what he didn’t say, everyone else, without this - it’s just a spell, an irresponsible spell, it seems like according to his position, he is obliged to be a responsible person, and in general such statements should not be made, i take what general austin said seriously, i i take this seriously, firstly, the united states, if russia is an enemy, but what kind of debate can there be about resuming dialogue with russia, about working together with russia,

fighting with enemies, not fighting enemies, engaging in collective diplomacy, now imagine people who are in the united states in a different way, who believe that the united states is going too far in this conflict, that this is not in american interests, they will now be easily told, you are in the enemy’s country, they used to say , that you seem to be serving putin, and now the minister of defense says a little little, you are in the enemy’s country, well, to put it mildly , does not contribute to the opportunity to speak out. russia, but most importantly, let’s use our own names, if russia is an enemy, then ukraine does not, the american enemy, then

ukraine is not doing anything terrible if it strikes at russian territory, if it commits terrorist acts against russia, as you think, as they hear this in kiev, this is not a mandate for the ukrainian. terrorism - what is it? not a license for permissiveness? i take this very seriously. and the last thing: those who call others enemies, they must understand that those others will draw their own conclusions, and the united states can also honorably, not an adversary, not a rival, an enemy, but well, i must say that... looking at history , being an enemy of russia is not a very profitable business, and i am sure that most americans do not understand what

the biden administration is trying to get them into. it was a great game, we'll see you on the air tomorrow. hello, i’m still dmitry bak, i still host a literary podcast called let them not talk, let them read, how much debate there is now about the classics, whether they are relevant or whether they are forever outdated, of course, there are very different writers, but dostoevsky, fedor...