eat us domestic is called, by the way, with you again the podcast is the deception of substances, this is olesya nosova from ukhra pavlova. we discussed frying, there are also useful ways of cooking food, of course, this is suvit, suvit is low-temperature cooking, tell me how you can just suvit, what it is, many have not heard about this suvit, this is suvit - this is what a saucepan in which a certain amount is maintained at all times. you pour water there and the temperature that you set is maintained there all the time, 40, 40°, 50, 60, well, actually, it can take a few hours to boil until it boils - what you put in there is cooked there, meat, vegetables and so on, it’s all put in special vacuum-sealed bags, i was very keen on this at one time, we have all the family ate exclusively from sous vide, the most delicious thing, you know what the sous vide dish was , you won’t believe it, boiled eggs, that’s... if the eggs in

the by the way don’t have to be vacuum-sealed, you can throw them in like this, you put the eggs there for an hour and a half at a low temperature and that’s it absolutely divine dish, absolutely , i haven’t tried it, but i’ll know, it’s good, and these products are cooked in their own juice, they turn out very tasty, like turkey, for many, or chicken breast, it’s kind of dry , some kind of tasteless thing, amazing delicious, you can add spices to it right away. these wonderful ones, well, actually, which we talked about, and a little bit of salt, or not, i’ll still adhere to the extreme position, you need to add salt before eating, so you don’t have to buy sous vide yourself unit, it’s big enough, you can just organize it in a saucepan, yes, it’s a useful way of cooking, yes, there’s also a big misconception about what to bake, that’s what they say, no, i don’t fry cutlets, i bake them, strictly speaking everything happens. whoever likes it, well

, that is, it’s still a frying process, but if you bake it in a sleeve, or in foil, and at low temperatures up to 150°, then the amount of glycation end products is significantly reduced, but there is also a wonderful way a boletus cooker, it doesn’t take up any time, you put everything in, turn it on, it cooks, you work or mind your own business or just relax. there is also stewing, but as is our custom, first i fried it, well, yes, and then poured it with water, now the whole product is already spoiled, that is, we immediately pour water under the lid on low heat, it is stewed, and what else do we have left? , yes, we have a wonderful way of cooking, which few people actually think of as a useful method - this is a microwave, here is a microwave unfortunate, shulma, no matter what, the temperature there does not rise above 110°.

accordingly, less of these end products of glare are formed and they demonize the microwave, that some harmful, oncogenic substances and so on, that all vitamins are destroyed, but strictly speaking, in our country some of the vitamins are destroyed in the preparation, even welding, and some, on the contrary, only become available , temperature exposure, whether low temperature or high temperature, also changes the balance of vitamins, we lose something, we lose something on the contrary, we buy it, so i wouldn’t demonize the microwave either, but... it’s better to use it with water, yes, because the main effect is on water molecules, and people often say that food after microwave is very dry, hard, hard yes, add some water and there will be no problems, there is a very simple life hack about the microwave, you don’t have to turn it on at full power all the time, if you read the instructions, i read them, it says yes, at 800 w it’s fast cooking is heating.

they say: you know, we are used to frying everything , if i now start cooking differently , no one will support me, no one will eat it, everything will just be thrown away, or i should cook separately for myself, this is a very important point, remember how in the classic in the film , we are digging our own grave with a knife and fork, if this understanding, awareness appears, we try to speak to you simply, yes, so that people have this understanding, and you shouldn’t cling to this crust, shortening your life or spoiling family relationships, help your own. loved ones, support them in this

initiative to cook correctly, well , let’s say, when i switched my family to steam cutlets, i rolled these cutlets in paprika, then... covered them generously with fresh herbs, when these cutlets were ready, that’s when they ate, i then just asked them if it was delicious, they said oh, so tasty, everything is wonderful, juicy, everything, everything is good, i said, pores, they said, it can’t be, maybe, that’s why sometimes it’s possible do this, and you show that everything is delicious, it’s just that stereotypes sometimes prevent people from giving up these harmful ones, yes, i also have a similar story, for example, i don’t fry anything at all, even if i cook borscht, again , we are always talking about... borscht, it’s time to cook borscht, borscht absolutely does not need any frying, and this in general, that’s all, well, an outdated story, which we haven’t talked about yet, we probably haven’t even paid attention to shish kebab, there is also an opinion that in the caucasus everyone ate kebabs all their lives, so

longevity does not contradict in any way, no, this is also not a very good cooking process, because it is an open fire, it is very high temperatures, it is a lot of glycir end products. no matter what kind of meat there is, there is one nuance: of course, the meat is usually pre -processed, yes, it’s either lemon juice or onions, where there are also substances that contribute to this preparation, but even with this preparatory process , high temperature, this is charring, yes there are parts of this meat, it’s still high levels of advanced glycation end products, in my opinion, it is a myth that all caucasians always ate barbecue, no, more often, by the way, they eat boiled meat, this is quite developed in culture, including, yes, i think there are a lot of long-livers, not only because they live in the highlands and breathe good air , but there is a lot of meat in their diet, but more of it is boiled than fried or cooked, here again i would like

to point out, it is still marinated in the good sense of the word, big amount of vegetables, again this one sulforophane, which we talked about, which is in broccoli, here... by the way, there is a very interesting fact about the microwave, and when i was collecting information about the harmfulness of a useful microwave, in order to pump myself up, so to speak, on this topic, i discovered such a terrible thing , that broccoli, if you put it in the microwave, at the fiftieth second it loses an enzyme, which then participates in the production of this sulforphan, which is wonderful ... but i started what is called research further and discovered that regular cooking

kills this enzyme in the same way, if you overcook, overcook broccoli, cook for more than 4 minutes, and i think that 50 seconds on... high microwave power is approximately equivalent to four minutes in boiling water, so to speak, so what should you do with broccoli so as not to lose this wonderful enzyme, you need to eat it as alive as possible, yes, yes, and before that, let me remind you, break it up so that there is more of this enzyme, so if we cook it, then we leave it for cutting and let's leave it to be more surface in contact with air, and if we chew. then you can eat it right away without any preparation, just chew it thoroughly , because we produce myrosinase , this whole reaction occurs, i forgot the name of merazinase, yes, yes, it’s just that doctors have such a deformation, they can forget aspirin, and cetyl selicylic

they remember the acid very well, yeah, that’s why there are a lot of misconceptions about cooking, it’s also very important to say then about the final glacier products, the longer we store products yes... in the refrigerator, the more advanced glycation end products are formed in them, so try to cook more often, but in small portions, yes, that is , well, maybe leave one single barrel that you can eat, it only becomes tastier, but also, well, yes, yes, because the end products of glycation are tasty, unfortunately, the mayer reaction, this very cross-linking of proteins, it is also called a tasty reaction, but everything else was better prepared, eaten, but maximum the next morning , again... we are preparing, although it is clear, in our such a crazy age, yes, the pace of such life is high, it’s not very convenient for us to cook often, but there is such a non-obvious fact, perhaps for some, that if you want to be slim, healthy and young for as long as possible, then you you must eat at home, you must

understand what you are eating, in no case are these restaurants, even the most expensive ones, certainly not fast food, because your cook has completely different tasks, what is important to the cook. so that it’s delicious for you, so that you come in more often and eat more, that’s what he strives for with everyone possible ways, but at home you can control this whole thing, what do you eat and how do you eat? we encourage everyone not to be lazy, to have fun, and this is a creative process, to cook deliciously; it is a great pleasure to see how your household eats this healthy, tasty food and becomes healthier. and with you was the podcast deception of substances and the presenters, editor-in-chief of komsomolskaya pravda olesya nosova , endocrinologist zukhra pavlova.

hello everyone, this is a free program podcast, i’m maxim tronkov, my guest is a wonderful coaching duo, distinguished russian coaches, irina zhuk and alexander svinin, hello, welcome to us , hello, it’s very nice, i probably most often here communicate with dancers and coaches, everything related to ice dancing, and... right away i have a question, what’s wrong with our dancing? this is the biggest mystery that i think worries all fans and specialists. intrigue, everything will be fine soon, it’s just such a short period of time, so i think that literally in the near future all these couples who now seem average will be at their best, so i’m not even saying what’s there, that is, i’ll interrupt you now, you need to watch the middle peasants. but unfortunately it turned out that most of the couples are now new and

, well, that is, the partner found another partner somewhere, there is still a moment they switched to another coach, well , this is the situation, but i want to say that there are a lot of couples who, well, really potentially very strong, so it takes no more, just a little time for them to grow up and show themselves in all their glory, well, it seems to me that you are just the coaching tandem that... for a very short time he always created some bright duets, well, even remembering yan khokhlov and seryozha navitsky, and our 2009 european champions, they somehow just suddenly appeared and almost immediately went to the olympics in turin, we became coaches in 2001, and already in 2006 you were at the olympics, we ourselves didn’t expect that no one expected and we didn’t expect either, somewhere there was ice dancing, where there was a line. they need to be raised there so that people understand what they are doing, so, well, we were just interested ourselves, so

when we ourselves, in general, were just starting out at that time, this was our first such serious couple, so we were just interested in working with them, because the guys are really talented, and since we had just returned literally from the theater and yes he went on for many years and performed to introduce figure skating some elements from there, so you came back? from england and from the theater russian stars on ice, it was tatyana anatolyevna who directed all this, so we took a lot from there, and we followed the path to it was kind of interesting, even a little neglected some technical aspects, but they moved forward so that they liked it, this is the coolest thing that they are, yes, that they are filled with programs, this is such a rarity now in general, because here in my podcast tatyanavna tarasova said, that there are no interesting programs now. do you agree with her on this or do you still have for we

always agree, but here you can argue, because in principle, i have such a tricky question about this, oh-oh, oh-oh-oh, here, but we as if even from the rentals that were only that, in general, there were programs that were worthy, but i think that they were just a little crude, because i just started. season, but when they are exhausted, it seems to me that it will be very interesting to watch, oh, it’s so difficult to put on a program in general, in fact, this is even when you invite someone, it didn’t happen so often with our leading couple, but that’s all and then we finished something, remade it, because it’s very difficult to fit in, so that it’s interesting and creative and also technically, it’s still like what the choreographer puts on. not all remains, the coaches restrain everything in the performances, of course, the rules are very,

because in dancing this is, in my opinion, the largest book of rules that is possible, there are 200-odd pages, if i’m not mistaken, pages, it’s so thick, here i am i think that not all coaches know these rules inside and out, so we most often invite specialists to tell us, no, well, of course we read, try to remember, but how do you differentiate? the roles of a technician and a choreographer or a choreographer and a technician or both technicians? well, can i tell you how it is happening? well, firstly, it all starts with music and... we know, we turned to professionals, and then, well , where will our elements stand, here i am now in order to put on the program, we yes, because we, as it were, more often before i just started making music specifically

for a certain element that will be in the program, because... you can lengthen it a little here, cut it here, here i need to do it like this, he says: maybe you’ll stop after all ? i say: no, this is impossible, is this a masterpiece? at us usually, when the program is presented , the performance begins, then at the end of the performance , first i have free program number one, at the end of the performance , at the end of the performance, i have free program number 27, when i usually add.

of the season, this is a holiday for me it’s just such a tension, then i understand that i need to deliver this, this, this, this to everyone and need to do it quickly so that they have time to dash off at least a little before the vacation, then come halfway after the vacation redo it, because you rest and see a little differently, but it’s still such a creative process, and of course i like sasha at this moment, he endures, endures, watches, and i always wait for him to tell me, ira, this is so cool, this is so cool, in general, how did you do it, he’s like that , okay, good, i say, but you can’t somehow inspire me so that i fly straight and put it even better, well, no, okay, well , i would change all this, but it seems to me that this is all very calm, this is him it seems that wait, as i understand it,

this is now - we’re having a conversation in the kitchen, it feels like i came to visit the neighbors and we’re talking. yes, but when he makes good music, but ice is fire , yes, that is, it turns out, yes, definitely, can i say about music ice fire, that’s when he makes cool music, i say, shura, it ’s brilliant, it’s absolutely amazing , no one could do that at all, it’s just bravo, that’s how i praise him, i always wait for him to praise me like that, never, ira, that’s it now nazhalova, ira, well, understand that a woman, she always inspires a man, feats of a man, i also inspire you to these programs, but sometimes he says toasts at a birthday party and brings me to tears, then only on my birthday can i hear praise addressed to you, in the coaching room you have a common one or men's and women's, no, general general in the coaching room the debate continues, how, that is, it’s not until the evening everything is in the morning, how, well,

yes, this is generally a difficult question, but i skated in pairs, what did i do? i i wanted to say that you know, this is me for the audience, just for our dear ones, revealing a little how everything works here, no, in fact - it seems to me, without controversy, not a single coaching team works, there are always some, we have a big team waiting for the truth, well, we’ll argue about that, yes, yes, yes, tatyana anatolyevna tarasova is a person who somehow was always next to your coaching tandem, but there is nothing bad or good in this, i think only good things, but 2006, selection for the olympic games in turin, the third number of the team was kulikova, novikov, who a year before the olympics changes his partner to olya orlova, and this couple trains with tatyana anatolyevna tarasova,

yes, we remember this, young people come, i actually... our beloved sends your couple to the olympic games, and after that tatyana anatolyevna tarasova is always with you anyway.

that’s all, they’ll tell you everything that you did, didn’t do, and so on, but if she does something like this, i want to fly straight into space, when she does that,

i always look at her reaction like a quiet one, i'm even afraid to approach when she watches new programs, i always think that now there will be some kind of explosion, she will straight up scold me, scold me, after all, she’s my coach anyway, i skated with her, well , this has happened, and, of course, it’s happened like that , when i see what she likes, i just exhale , i think, god, really, really like something, always to the point remarks, there are always some specific nuances like that, and it works 100%, well, yes, but why did he decide to help you to such an extent, this is the past in the theater, we were in the theater, of course, and i skated with her for 6 years, since childhood well, you can say that you are an adult, well, she graduated early too, well ... let’s not talk about it, but the most important thing is that we then worked together in the theater for a long time, of course, from her we also picked up this creativity, some kind of straight

it's time for this, yes, but can you tell me a little about this theater, because it seems to me that we generally believe that the pioneer ilya verbukh, ice shows, but was already, all the stars or somehow correctly yes, at first there were all the stars , actually yes, so i skated. in sports with leana anatolyevna tchaikovskaya, that’s it he’s also a brilliant coach, he’s a great man , but when his career was coming to an end, tatyana antonevna came up to us and suggested this option for us to skate in the theater, this is sasha, i’m sorry , i’ll interrupt, i’ll remind you that this is not cheeses, this is salt, this is kladinskoy, with a partner in sports, yes, this is in the yard. 1900 is about eighty-seven, well, i don’t remember exactly this, but i only remember when there was silver at the european championships, silver is because i

was born and it’s a nightmare, we’ve been so many years old already, it’s terrible, just count it, count it, yeah that's why well it’s as if she came up to us, suggested this kind of story, we agreed, because well, a skater, when his career ends, what can he do? he literally knows how to skate, so, but we haven’t proven this yet , what we wanted in sports, oh, it was very interesting, in general, it was so interesting for us, such were the performances, we were so passionate about this matter, in general it’s just i remember this time, of course, it helped us a lot in coaching, very much, it was just anatolyevna who was the director of this and the director and director of everything, that is, this directly. but in fact, we have learned a lot and we still use a lot, that is, we imagine how you can

do the same program and how from the side, let’s say, from the theatrical side you can turn it so that it is interesting, i like it all the time this theatrical expression is a talking back, for some reason i like it so much, when you work with your back to the judges or to the audience, it should be speaking, that is, you can’t slouch, as if your back has eyes, that’s why i don’t really care... the expression why -i like the talking back sports talking back my hump she always talked about me where i came from where i came to this olympics well okay are you a bent uralian are you no no well here are some expressions we still use in our coaching vocabulary good expressions but tatyana tolna here she is, straight from these expressions, i say tatyanna. when in a good mood someone has to follow you to record, that’s something. let me remind you that our guests are honored coaches of russia,

irina zhuk and alexander svin.

we teach all our athletes that the olympic games are a holiday, first of all, we should go there to make other people enjoy watching you. the incomparable torvil idin shone at this olympiad, i would like to talk a little about them, because a year later you participated in the professional world championship, the world championship among professionals, such were the competitions, they lost to torydin just a little. i remember how they were preparing with olga, it was so cool, they were right, we were in the same theater and here they were preparing for this professional event, it was absolutely crazy, they really were so unique live, they were like in the body, we worked with them in the theater, we didn’t go on tour for 3 years, we had three tours, and moreover, for six months, we in general, we just rode next to them like that, we were completely delighted with them, well, they really

are brilliant, that’s it... they overtook me at one time, i think that, uh, already by 50 years then , yes, well, much, that’s it , that is, no one expected that this was possible from a couple at that time, now you watch their program, even now , well, it’s the same thing, of course, the ballers are the first to be remembered, now you can’t for a minute, well, now if someone sat down for a minute, now they would get such points that they would be remembered later too, probably for life, that’s when they were. they took risks, they tried some, well, no one could have thought that this could be done, then very, well, strongly, well, i’ll finish it now, literally 2 seconds, i was waiting for such, you sit forever , you pull out what interrupts, i’m just sitting case, here we are technically very ready, in this pair the partner was simply

everything. and she’s a brilliant partner in the sense that, well, she’s kind of like that, well, not really skinny, but when with her, since we skated in the show, we did lifts there with different partners, so when you do lifts with her, she’s so she does it right, she holds her back so well, she jumps into her hands so much that she seems to weigh nothing at all, that is, alexander svinin skated together with james torvel, i was lucky, but it's literal. but when the realization came that that was it, it was time to stand on the other side of the side, put on this down jacket with greasy sleeves, this one, how they came to this, came back, came back, it turns out they didn’t stay in england, they offered us, by the way, they offered work as coaches in england too, but we somehow missed russia so much in general then, and we

say no, no, we’ll try, why? we wanted to try it here in 2001, but we, well, we didn’t leave at all, we just worked there for 8 months and came to russia, but we were on vacation, somehow i don’t know, we were doing some business here, the apartment was standing, well, we had to do some woodworking, have time to do some repairs, well, something like that, and then again they left for 8 months, but i kept waiting for us to go about...

you have also come a long way, two olympic cycles, if i’m not mistaken, 16 years, 16 years, and you, uh, i know that the topic is unpleasant, and we will touch on it as superficially as possible, but we can’t talk about you... no matter how the audience can’t forgive me, they won’t be able to if i don’t touch on this topic, it is clear that for everyone it was a drama , but something else is interesting to me, it just seems to me that around you this couple united some huge number of people, in addition to sasha and vanya, that is, there were vanya’s parents and sveta sokolovskaya, because that she has family ties with sasha’s husband, and now and somehow you always had such family ties in photographs, which are like... all this now, that is, everything is just completely, now it’s complicated, that’s it, but i think that it takes time for this to normalize a little, but in general, well it was very good for us to work with vanya,

it’s like this is a long time, we worked for 16 years, well, 15, then alexandra left for 15 years, that is, this is quite a long time, that’s how they flew in too this... here we are, and they just entered the international first grand prix, they then received we took them very seriously, so we seemed very strong right from the very beginning it was very stormy, so they reached

this junior level really , reached the grand prix, they never lost, never once they didn’t lose one grand prix, but this was a couple of grand prix, which was just that and this. but in general this is our first couple that we raised from scratch to the top, in general, to serious results in europe and the world, after all, there were yana and seryozha, they came to us as young people, but not from scratch , that is, i was 17 at the time, seryozha was 20, but still they had never gone anywhere , either to europe or to the world, so... they started traveling with us, and they got to the olympic games with us, well, yes, that’s it and sasha svane is right there a couple who are at the olympic games , thank god it’s a long one and it’s a long time before i get in, here ’s maxim, i just want to complain to the last

person who didn’t get in, i don’t understand when i’ll get in, because there are four olympics, two with yana and seryozha, well one coach went, but of course sasha, he tells me, well , you want to go, i say, well, how can i go, well, man. i should naturally, then there was the olympics in 1918, where we went, do you want to go, thank you, max, thank you, that is, i imagine sasha, who that’s exactly what he says, can you imagine , that’s how it was, no, then, the eighteenth year, where our people are selected, yes, sasha and vanya are selected for the olympic games, they take the two of us, and i’m already standing with one leg like this, they don’t allow ivana. again, we still don’t understand why, this happened, well , this happened, yes, here, covid, ’22, again i’m passing by, four olympics, and you’re passing by, you’re sick, no, i’m just they didn’t

take, just one coach, when i just remember vancouver, i just remember vancouver, and what they said there, that there are no more accreditations or places, it’s normal to part with, at least with the russian mentality, that is, not like under a contract, but somewhere where you can leave, come back, well, you and me we’ve finished

it, we’re a little different, we let ourselves in too much, we’re like vova zhenya, these are my children, damn it, or my brother, of course, for me it’s and i would only be here if such a situation happened, then i needed to either understand and forgive. or somehow it’s all there, but to say in some more words, it’s impossible, it’s there’s always drama, i agree with them here, what can you say, there’s nothing special to say, it’s different. there are simply few trainers who grow from scratch and bring it to the top, going through all the stages, good, bad, and hard, very hard, so of course they sprout roots, but there were tears, i held on, yes i held on.

i will hope, we are all waiting, that you are not waiting, you are working, you have young , talented couples, we are working, we are, uh, anyway, although we are already quite a few years old, of course, but yes, but i hope that we still have enough strength to raise a pair, which again from scratch, and we will bring it to... the top, it will remain with us forever,

for some reason i believe in this, yes, that we can do this, yes, we have wonderful guys now and i want to say, i would like to take this opportunity to thank you very much, well, the only thing there will be very hard for gorelkin, of course, for yours, gorelkin, leontilo gorelkin, why is it hard, well, there he will have to fight off every suitor of his partner like that, well, he is ready. i just wanted to say about them, how they felt this situation when our main couple left, and how they surrounded us with such love, just like that , they tried to do everything so that we would not be upset, so that we would not worry, and it was so touching, we felt it, and of course, every person is still the same, here they are, well, everyone is different and the athletes are all different, there’s some kind of feeling: something warm comes from them and continues to flow, so they are trying to surround us with some kind of love,

so it’s just as if they were packing us into a box so that we just don’t worry, there is contact, results years with... vladimir putin december 14 at 12:00 moscow time time. well, we have everything mixed up here, people, horses, figure skating. my guests are irina zhuk and alexander svinin. how to survive, it’s probably the right way to say it, if you invest, you invest in an athlete and for some reason, for example, like with bukin, he is not invited to the olympics, they say, explanation, this is our holiday and we...

this is a couple , which i am from perm, not from kirov, and we have been together since childhood, we are the same age, here they are in dances, i am there in pairs, we once moved to big cities together. there are hundredths, something like that, well, people were shouting with

stands, guys, you are the first , i will never forget, in general in st. petersburg then, i remember it exactly, the russian championship, worthy of going to the olympic games, people were just shouting from the stands, and katya was sitting, she was like this until the last i held on, we looked at each other like that, and sasha didn’t go, because yana and seryozha we changed the program, remember, yes, and he stayed in moscow, and he came to me. to go alone, also to qualify for the olympic games, but a psychologist came with us, who supported the guys and me, because it was not easy for me either, and we they were like that, just like that... straps to straps held on like that, held on, then we went out to look for her, hugging her and sobbing, because vanya is a man, of course, he held on, well, such stories also happen in sports, now they are great coaches, it seems to me that in ice dancing, the toughest thing is this story, it’s with these

queues, but whether a queue is needed or not, it’s not necessary, i think.

and these are two completely different programs and did you also offer this music or did the guys already have plans and you just laid them out on the ice it’s a mess itself, no, we just this year it’s somehow i don’t even remember anymore tamara nikolaevna wanted ilina, first of all, he said so they got along right away quickly because i’m going.

i didn’t know them, well, not as people , just as athletes, what can they do, with greenhouses, no, just different specifics, well, to do such elements, well, why would you waste time on these moves, you need to learn all these jumps, in general, i always bow my head before pair skating, because i can’t imagine how you can jump, skate in pairs, do these crazy lifts.

what’s good about those who are already performing well, well, they consider dancing, it’s that they came out for a little ride together, stood with a girl there , it’s nonsense, i won’t mention the name, but the man who came to us, he just hung on the side and said, yes this is impossible at all, this is terrible, how did you do this in general, this is, i don’t have the strength to do this, just no, another job, something else in general, it’s very difficult and when... what kind of hobby does irina have? oh, i must say, you can cut everything out, this, i think he won’t be embarrassed to say nothing, no, i dreamed all my life,

all my life i dreamed of doing equestrian sports, as long as i can remember, that’s why i came to cska at the right time. i was either a rider, or i was the horse itself, so i galloped through the forest, that is, i portrayed both, that is, this is just my dream, apparently i dreamed correctly that at least as an adult i can now do it go to riding school three times a week for an hour, i wouldn’t be surprised if irina zhuk competes at the olympic games, horses, max, if you want to laugh , they invite me, i’m already invited to perform at the club... i’m embarrassed, i say, i ’m not ready yet, when i’m waiting for irina zhuk at the olympic games, maybe even at the summer ones, in the lineup sports team, maybe you’ll at least get there, get there, damn it, it’s a bad joke, but, okay, yes, it’s a bad joke, but it’s clear to us coaches, athletes and people from

figure skating, thank you very much for coming and spending this evening with us, thank you for inviting us, we also had a pleasure, it seems to me one of the most positive conversations i’ve ever had, because it was really great, and it was easy for me to be with you, thank you too, thank you, honored trainers of russia, irina, were my guests. alexander svinin, well, i’m maxim tronkov, and this is a free program podcast. this is the easy money podcast, me and its host mikhail khanov, today our guest is igor anatolyevich sokolov, a russian scientist, academician of the russian academy of sciences, director of the federal research center.

landmark academic institutions, for example, sergey mikhailovich abramov, director of the institute software systems in pereslavl zalesky,

a very interesting institute.