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cutlets, cooked breakfast, i don’t know, they cleaned, washed and so on, so that you could be like a mother, but in fact, because your mother, as you say, took care of the house, you and i generally understand that she was to some extent a serving element in the family, right? yes, i saw this exact role of a woman in front of me, but i myself am not like that, that is, this is what, probably, the very root of the question goes to the fact that i have my own business, i... work and myself, i'm quite like that i’m a straightforward person, i don’t like to keep things to myself, but when in my last relationship i tried very hard to play this role as a mother, i really wanted that i was a wonderful wife, already in my thoughts at that moment, i it seems that i was already building this for myself, and at the end, when i turned around, looked... at the man, just at the moment
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when i cooked borscht and just looked back, and looked at this whole picture, i had such a feeling, that this is not mine at all, that is, i asked myself the question inside is: why are you deceiving yourself, for what? eren, when i asked the last good question about the fact that your dad , being a strong man, in your opinion, still suppressed your mother, did something like that happen to you inside? well, you’ve changed, let’s say, what kind of feeling did it cause when i practically forced you to admit that either dad wasn’t as strong as you thought, or you’re wrong, i’ll go from the opposite, i like to go from the opposite, maybe i i’m wrong, that is, it’s easier for you to admit that you’re wrong, that is, from dad’s pedestal i can’t really take it off, it seems to you, but now i’m just trying to understand why he suppressed my mother, i really don’t know.
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listen, well, judging by your worldview picture, because he was weak in his relationship with his mother, he was a wonderful dad, he was a so-so husband, perhaps, but you are looking for a husband, not a dad, but as it seems to you, but mom was happy in her relationship with your father, as she says, yes, it’s good that she says that, that is, she, when i ask her, i say, as she says, this is my life, this my choice, and i made my choice, well, yes, i still... come back to this, yes, what will happen if we finally remove dad from his pedestal, because you really, how can i say, you a strong person, it’s true, you really have such a dense, rigid structure of your personality, yes, but at the moment when i asked you this question, and you went inside like that, as if to think, you blushed sharply, and i i know that you are definitely aware of this kind of awkwardness, and like all people who blush, it’s probably avoid such circumstances.
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but i will follow me, you will agree that right now i suspect your father, then i seem to assume that at this moment, if you have some kind of, you know, betrayal of him, that we seem to be talking about him not very correctly, not very good, well, there is such a thing, there is such a feeling, but do you understand that if you put a man in place of your dad, then you will also betray your father, well, i will give a certain image that was created in my head, of course. this image is strong, and yes, probably yes, what would you feel now if your father told you right now that daughter, you know, in fact, i never had the courage to give your mother that love, that freedom, that tenderness that she deserved, so that you felt, if he would now admit, essentially to you, that he did not have the strength to live with a free woman, so he put her at home and...
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did what he did. i think i would probably, uh, exhale at this point, probably, what did you say to him? thanks that you admitted it. what would it be like for you? that the person admitted his weakness, that he had it, like any other person. and what would be the conclusion? they did for themselves then that any person has the right to make a mistake, most likely such a conclusion, and even the one who is closest to you, the closest, and yes, the person who was on the pedestal for me, that is, even the winner, yes, may be wrong, but what would it give you, so you know, so that your relationship, he may be wrong, what he can afford, that there are no ideal people. what
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does this mean you may not be perfect? yes, yes, that i am also not an ideal person, and it also seems to me that there is a very important realization here that... that your relationship does not need to be assessed now from his position, that what kind of relationship you have tomorrow is the only real value of these relationships are determined by your feeling of happiness, love, comfort, everything. all we have to do in that sense is to get out of our heads and add a little feeling, add a little bit of our own value to it all, then you won't be like...
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after i lost my father, and there was even a fear that the person would leave, in principle, as if it would be the same departure as the father, that is, all the time i’m afraid of this leaving and that the relationship
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end, as if this is the same departure that i had to endure, and thus you end up in codependent relationships, you create them, this is your contribution, but how... do you bring these codependent relationships to episodes of abusiveness, like you say what are the criteria for your life were, was it physical violence or what was it? in one of the relationships i had an element of, yes, physical violence, it was there, after that i realized that that’s it, now looking back, look, there was probably a point where everything could have been ended earlier. what did not allow you to identify this point, see, realize your own power over your life? maybe something else will change, maybe i’m still wrong about something, maybe it ’s worth looking further and something will change, and you understand that this pattern, that maybe i’m still wrong, is the pattern
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of your relationship with your dad, because you were never able to prove it to him, because you hid most of your own life from him, without telling him how - hiding all this, yes, he did... that he did not notice it, and you pretended that no one knew anything, it turns out that it was as if he really never recognized you. he didn’t know me, this is really a fact, you see, and this is again the same thing that happens in your relationships with men, and what sergey is talking about, here this point where you could have stopped a little earlier in the model, where you are careful with your feelings, where you value your feelings and you hear them, there it is unacceptable, there it could not happen.
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the queue for organs has decreased by 67% since 2022, the systemic destruction of the ukrainian population is taking place, then these...
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you are watching the podcast triggers with you, its host tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist psychotherapist, psychologist psychotherapist sergei nasebyan, as for your relationship with your dad, well it's always so not very pleasant, probably a situation where you need to remove him from the pedestal, and for a while, he will then get back there again, but this will be a more conscious decision or something, because yes, this is dad, he was a good dad , it’s not a fact but a husband it’s as if you took a tracing paper from him for...
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you know, in the caucasus there is such a proverb that when you raise a son, you raise a person, when you raise a daughter, you raise a nation, but the daughter always seems to be burdened with a little more than probably necessary, so of course women it’s very difficult, especially when dad really took such a position, it’s no better when dad, on the contrary, disappointed, but when dad turned out to be like this - an ideal, then of course, it’s usually very difficult for women to build relationships with their husbands, with men with their husbands. and dad really taught you a lot and showed you a lot, but i want to say what, you know, as you remember, pinocchio
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was looking for the golden key, and he found it near the tortilla, i hope i won’t offend anyone by saying that such a tortilla is yours for you mom now, just sit down and talk to her about how you are they saw him and what he was like from her point of view, not in any way destroying any ideals, in no case doing anything like that, but i’ll just talk to her about her feminine. rosy, as it turned out, and there were some , let’s say, rather complicated, not very moments that i didn’t even want to believe in, it was just after his death, but i said to myself:
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i was afraid that the relationship will end, remember one simple thing: relationships
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will end, any kind, and you need to live with a person in such a way that if they end today, then you you won’t regret it, and this can only be done without betraying yourself in this relationship, this is what i strive for, perhaps this is the very litmus test that will help you check your feelings, yes, yes, because very often - i blocked some of my own, there’s something i don’t like, well... i understand that my mother would probably block it too, so as not to, yes, lead to a conflict, and that’s probably her main idea , which she always tried to convey to me, i...
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submissive and so on, i didn’t succeed, maybe now it’s time to allow , let’s take this word, yes, allow yourself to build your own personal relationship scenario, this is probably the most important thing, yes, give free rein to your inner freedom, and i really liked that you recommended it to me specifically for about feelings, relying on my
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feelings, i very often push them somewhere far away, well, it seemed, but this is the word. it seemed to me, but it didn’t seem to me, yes, trusting yourself, trusting yourself is a very, very real feeling that is not very familiar to me yet. thank you very much, this there was a podcast called triggers, its hosts tatyana krasnovskaya and sergey nasebyan were with you. today we talked with elena about her relationships, about the figure of the father in the life of a woman and a girl. in my opinion, it was interesting. all podcast episodes. you can find it on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. greetings, this is the podcast chronicle of the end times, and today i, evgeniy dodolev, will tell
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you about forging, because fartsovka originated exactly in the year of my birth, in fifty-seven. the year when the sixth international festival was held in moscow youth students. what is a forging? fartsovka is the process of buying from foreigners or from people who traveled abroad, soviet citizens. scarce items, especially clothing accessories. foreign exchange traders are often called forgers. but currency traders are still a separate article; they are the elite, let’s say, of the black market. why , because for currency they were punished, it was article 88 of the criminal code, this article was a death sentence, while for forging, i repeat, in that textbook form, that is, i bought things, sold them, for it not they were punished, they could have pulled a little punishment, of course, under article 154 of speculation,
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speculation, when you buy for one price and resell for another, in fact, this was... it was all tzimis, a trick, but it was necessary, firstly, to prove, that there was an intention, that you initially bought these jeans in order to sell them, and did not sell them because they did not suit you, in size, in color, your girlfriend did not like them, about currency traders, before finishing with this topic, explain why i don’t consider currency traders to be farcists, rokotov’s case is very noisy, it’s when several currency traders, very famous people who bought currency from foreigners and resold it, then resold it, there is one nuance here, of course, very significant, it must be clarified that the official exchange rate of the ruble to the dollar was set by the state, and it had nothing to do with the real situation, that is , then in the fifties and sixties the dollar exchange rate fluctuated there from 65 to 90 kopecks,
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while on the black market the dollar... was much more expensive, that is, i don’t know how much it it was worth in the fifties, sixties, seventies, but i just remember when i started working as a journalist, that is, the mid -eighties, a dollar cost 4 rubles on the black market, then 5 rubles. by the end of the existence of the soviet union, its price on the black market had already reached 10-15 rubles. the official exchange rate remained less than the ruble, so foreigners were very tempted to sell currency in order to be able to buy something for rubles, sell currency on the black market, this was done by currency traders. another thing is that why the forging is connected with currency, because the fortsers, or as they were called in slang, they called themselves that, by the way, irons, they first started with
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the purchase of things or some kind of objects , up to an item in technology, and then they moved on to the most delicious and most dangerous thing - currency trading, because there, of course, the output was much more significant, and so the matter was loud: and several currency traders were convicted, the most seasoned one, who was yan rokotov, they were given 8 years, as far as i remember then, and nikita sergeevich khrushchev, when he was in west berlin on a visit, he learned from journalists and from people with whom i talked that there is a very large-scale black market in moscow, and that they were interested, they just asked him about this rokotov and he was... outraged by the fact that that in general there are some people who break laws and who are known in the west, when he returned to moscow, he demanded that their punishment be toughened, they
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were given a term of 15 years, but this also seemed insufficient to khrushchev, some workers with some kind of factory supposedly, well, we know how everything is this was done, that is, they wrote a letter , which he voiced at... in some regular plenum, and it was replicated in the party newspapers, they were outraged that how could it be that there are people who disgrace socialism, the country, everything -they are 15 years old, they need to be shot, and he demanded what was applied, capital punishment, this trio had resistance from lawyers, because that’s not how things are done, well, let’s say you’re crossing the street at a red light, well you know you're taking a risk, you might get hit car. in extreme cases, you will be fined , i don’t know what the fine is, just imagine , you are crossing the street at a red light, you are detained, they give you a fine , the next day a law comes out that
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now you will be shot for this, you will be shot, you know, if this norm was in use at the moment when you decide whether to cross or not, you would have thought 100 times, most likely you would not have gone to a red light, knowing that you could be shot for it, well, definitely not, so, of course, people who...
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almost opened monuments, ugly this is a story, so i won’t talk about the currency traders, the most famous forseller , uh, whom i knew was yuri shmillich renshpis, but i didn’t know him as a forser, an evolutionist, because he served time under these articles, for a total of 17 years, as a music producer, i already talked about him, but i didn’t tell him in the context of farce, he told me the most interesting things. because, to be honest, i thought that the sheeters were these irons, they were ironing along the old arbat, uh, they were ironing along
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lines uh guma, they ironed in tstsum, in the children 's world, and in general in those places where uh , in fact, foreigners hung out, except for moscow, the force workers were also in leningrad, in all the port cities, large, uh, in those places where in general, they carried... foreign tourists, foreign tourists, as they said , so yura told me amazing things, because i repeat, he believed that forging workers are those who buy something from foreigners, and he told me that very many worked with sailors and conductors and flight attendants, people who constantly traveled abroad and could bring certain things to order , they bought mainly clothes from foreigners, that is, jeans, because having jeans... in the soviet union it was cool, they weren’t sold, not everyone had them were, and if you managed to buy jeans, well, in general
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, you are already, you are already fashionable. the guy seemed to buy belts and watches there, and you could dress from head to toe, and there were different groups of sellers, western ones, who stood apart, relatively speaking, let’s say, the elite worked with them forging, which was also subdivided there according to, in one country or another, the alers called the italians that way and were also called the alers. the workers who worked with italians were most often southerners who looked like italians. by the way, for some reason there were no girls among the forging workers at all, that is, they were probably there somewhere, but these were just a few, they sometimes helped, for example, the forging workers get into this or that hotel under the guise of guides or translators, that the girl was portrayed by the translator, but the farce actors portrayed foreigners, there were such a...
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interesting schemes, i won’t dive into it, because i want to talk about forcing as a driver and the fashion industry in general, that is, as forcers, as trendsetters, because they are the ones they are guided by their taste, what exactly to buy, and what exactly to keep for themselves and sell, they largely formed this landscape, the fashion industry in the soviet union, very, by the way, many catwalk models of zaitsev’s fame, they...
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earned more per day than on your own official place of work, say , for a month, and i don’t know anything at all about forging in the sixties and seventies in terms of age, except, perhaps, for one gambler, gamblers are the lowest level of blacksmithing, these are youngsters, somewhere from a little before school age, elementary school students exchanged their badges for chewing gum, chuin gum, gum, gum, so they were called gamblers, not like this...
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plastic, metal, which can be ordinary badges, including pioneer badges, were in any buy kiosk, more banners they offer, the banner cost 3 rubles, i remember, for 3 rubles you could buy a banner in sportswear, the banner simply went with a bang, you could get jeans for the banner, let’s say exchange it with us for jeans, but jeans cost at least the minimum. rub. there was no official article for forging, until 1987, when the end of times actually came and this story was generally ending, then standard 164.3 was introduced, this is harassment of foreigners, that is, the word forging did not appear there, for harassment of foreigners, that is, for this foreigner should complain that to him pestered, the person could be detained
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and punished. a fine of up to 200 rubles. this was a decent amount for the late eighties, it was commensurate with the monthly salary of a soviet employee, but they were not punished for farting at all, but people still generally bought it as if they were turning their heads around, it all happened very quickly, they did not want to attract attention , it’s not even about trying this thing on, well, there was no conversation about it, and a person could buy it and really... the disassembly didn’t suit him, because there wasn’t even an opportunity, let’s say, take out the same jeans and look at them, they were just in a bag, you could see the size there, and poles sold jeans in my school era for 30 rubles, and then the price rose already during my student days, when, relatively speaking, i i was almost a farce for 150 rubles. why i was almost a farce, because...
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i had a magyar friend klara, we were in friendly and romantic relationships with her for 2 years, she asked me, through my friends, to sell things that her hungarian friends brought - to moscow, where she studied, but i don’t think that there was this composite purchase there, i definitely didn’t have this money, i just took, well, what’s it called on commission, that is, i took - all sorts of jeans, all kinds sweaters, some sneakers, and offered them to his friends, back then, towards the end of the seventies, early eighties, even the beginning... eighties, more likely, yes, on the black market good jeans, american ones, cost 180 rubles. the democrat brothers, as they were called, were poles, hungarians, czechs, sold
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for about 150 rubles, that is, there was a margin about 30 rubles per pair of pants, unfortunately, there were slips very often, not just slips of this kind. when a person bought something from his dad quickly and efficiently , it didn’t fit him in size, and he then sold it, risking falling under the article of speculation, because if they got to the bottom of him, they would say that this is actually the thing it costs so much, there was some kind of official examination, an assessment that this is worth so much, but you sold it for so much, they say that you have been such cases. i haven’t heard this from anyone i know, but rooms, and not only rooms , this is what they practiced, they cut jeans in half, took one pant leg in a bag and sold it as whole jeans, then they also sold the second leg for the same amount,
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a person found himself with this one trouser leg, which might fit him in size, but he couldn’t give this trouser leg to anyone, he had only one way, get his money back, this again... this is cheating someone , that is, again - sell here this trouser leg is like a whole pair of jeans , therefore, in general , crime arose in every possible way, because this is already fraud, this could already be a showdown, it didn’t just rest on the jeans, very often they bought, say, a carton of cigarettes, took out a pack from there, sold it in bulk these cigarettes, i don’t remember how much, in a pack of soviet production or...
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when the maid got a job, she got access directly to the bodies of foreigners, before the irons, that is, the black marketeers on the street, got their hands on them, except
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in addition, the maids collected, well, things that actually many of the foreign guests, we are talking primarily about western ones, simply threw away, for example, tights with a hook, this was all for entry, that’s all. it was given up to some i don’t know boxes of packages of something like that, relatively speaking , some kind of half-chewed gum, well, i’m exaggerating of course, but it all came into use, well, i wanted some beautiful stuff, that is, in general , when you’re young people want to dress fashionably or at least well, this is generally easy to understand. this is a podcast chronicling the end of times, and i, evgeniy dodolev, am telling you about the subculture of soviet fartsovschiki, an interesting phenomenon, because in fact the fortsovschiki had their own.

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