in soviet times there was such an anecdote that if they erected a monument to dostoevsky, then it would be necessary to write to fyodor mikhailovich from grateful demons, because since roman demons of the revolution, he is against the revolution, then no matter how strange it is to imagine now, but in soviet times the demons were not were published, they were published once and withdrawn, so i was finding fault with you, and what pre-revolutionary publications are, this is an important story, and the novel was based on completely hot events, because in november 1860, the ninth year, this one

the grotto that we saw, and a group of revolutionaries, terrorists, conspirators , whatever, killed their like-minded person, a very modern theme, a sect, yes, which you can enter, you can no longer leave, his name was ivan ivanovich ivanov, well, such an intricate surname, so they killed him, sergei nichaev led them, there was a trial, and it was just this unenlightened, strange, downcast face, in my opinion. strange, you can read a lot here, these are notes, for me the face, every time these are notes, after this there is a trial, here is this trial nothing is depicted, yes, everyone is discussing everything , whether the culprit will be punished, and dostoevsky works on the verge of relevance, he is a journalist, tolstoy says that he doesn’t write another thing first, first an essay, almost like this, and then even i grow up

i don’t know there anymore... what’s interesting here is my inner, how to say, message, why it was important for me to play verkhovensky myself, i suppose, in order for it not to grow in me and not remain, i needed to fulfill it, play it and unfasten it so that he doesn't know about it, but when we were testing the game there, it was said , we talked a lot about it in general, in fact , we... talked about how much to let in, how much to let in, how important it is, how important it is to hear, because these are completely different people, after all kirillov is such a monomaniac, he has the idea that suicide is the only free act, and he lives only by this, and verkhovensky , from his freedom, in fact, yes, verkhovensky is such a complex, after all , a character who wants to command, hence the surname, probably his father, by the way, wants to rule, i suddenly thought, and the elder stepan trofimovich verkhovedsky.

stepan trofimovich is here, as it were, in the shadows, but the trigger is in the very verkhovensky pyotr stepanovich, it seems to me that he manifests himself with this trigger, because this dislike and dispute with his father give rise to this number of demons in him, to which he it’s already interesting anton, that is, stepan trofimovich verkhovensky - this is such a liberal of the forties. who is still obsessed with the fact that the government is looking for him, watching him, looking for him, he’s kind of like an oppositionist, in fact , he is an absolutely unsuccessful person who is not even capable of loving his son, treating him like a human being, he is focused on his figure, but his figure is absolutely empty, he cultivates all this and spreads it to the country , already on the people, trying to subjugate them with his own plan and somehow. and

this is the thing i want to say is extremely important, you know, there is such a generally accepted formulation for actors, holy, do not play the text, of course,

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continue, i remind you that today we are talking about dostoevsky, about the novel demons, my guest today is the director, people's artist of russia, vladimir ivanovich khatinenko and the linkom theater actor mark zakharova anton shagin, i am now , if you allow me, i’ll take care of what always happens in the middle of a program, this is a few minutes of the presenter’s solo, and in this particular fragment of our conversation, i would like to read the texts of captain lebyatkin, without any choice, by the way, yes, this is the first aberyud, and captain lebyatkin, speaking of a sense of humor, after all, lebyatkin is wonderful comic character.

nikifor, a most noble old man, approached, well, they shouted to jupiter, but while they were screaming , i haven’t finished yet, the captain was chattering, nikifor takes the glass and despite the scream, splashes out the whole comedy, my god, what is this, this is absolutely, this not krylov's fable morality, with clearly defined good and evil in the end, but this is simply a cult of the disgusting, disgusting, then afanasy afanavich.

of course, this is a deception, because the demon never speaks, he always promises, but as soon as you worship him, he says, there was nothing, i did not promise anything, this nothing exists, and what is your name? his plastics and these pigs, this,

because sometimes you formulate a thing, it dies when all that remains is a musical feeling from it, that’s what music is all about, figurative, when the image remains , here it is, i think this is one of the best scenes, this is verkhovensky’s dance, this is one of the best scenes of his manifestation, yes, there is this wonderful monologue, and he coped with it, with this wonderful monologue historical, we had to shorten it, it’s there. but how is he there, and how did you manage to get into him , no, we don’t, but this is such a topic, we could talk for another hour, stavrogin is such an amazing character, he is a wonderful person, so he decided to find such a will from the lord. such a person to commit such a crime for which the lord would not forgive, would not forgive,

because they are all simply in the absence of love, that’s all, they have no love, this is, in principle, the correct formulation, this is the correct formulation, well, it’s not the worst thing, when absence is no love, i later found dostoevsky’s notes on this doll from which you are a butterfly, that is, i am confirmation. simplification, because words are given to us, in a system, because these are also words, this is

nature, and this is also just a figurative gospel, everything is written, steal the devil, everything, but we don’t do this, what is important is that you directly transferred this episode from the gospel, revived it additionally, yes, there, too , christ heals a demoniac and resettles him with pigs, they themselves ask, the demons themselves ask the pigs to house them, a herd of pigs, it is too. they ask him for permission, this is very important, and the chatter is annoying. i would like, anton, to return to your thesis, with which i of course agree, yes, the main love is true, but look, a person who does not know love, he simply turns to stone and dies, but here another story, in my opinion, these people don’t just petrify and die, they want to command other people, they want to subjugate other people, they want to make other people unhappy, therefore...

decide to translate this from literature into the language of cinema, yes , it’s very difficult to find an equivalent, it’s very difficult, so i give a student this example of the difference, the great difference between literature and... for example, the cinema of pobunin mitya for love, uh-huh, mitya felt the lump of a revolver in the finale, how to film it in a movie , it’s impossible, you know, that’s it, that means we have to look for something else, don’t feel for cinema , in literature we feel this, this is the meaning, the revolver is so pointed, clear, for him it’s like this, but it

’s a lump, this is, this is what language is, look for this needs adequate. what he calls , and stovrogin, after all, he is dostoevsky’s most unwritten character, stavrogin, as if it were a spacesuit that anyone can turn on, actually helped me with demons, filming demons, fyodor mikhailovich himself told me, he gave me a letter, a famous letter fyodor mikhailovich dostoevsky, that's where he is writes how to feel about it. one princess, therefore, asks him for permission to stage a demon. he says: i never objected, but you must understand that these are different forms, of course, they do not fit into each other completely. and what does he recommend? there is some secret of art, according to which the epic form will never find a match in the dramatic. i even believe that for different forms of art there are corresponding orders of poetic thoughts, so

that one thought can never be expressed in another, not in the corresponding form. other the thing is, if you remake it as much as possible, change the novel, keeping only one episode from it for processing into a drama, or taking the original idea, completely change the text, that is, it will be a new text, this is a wonderful phrase, the author’s real one, this freedom, dostoevsky thus does with his work approximately the same thing as with stovrogin, but he leaves it free, we can also look at it now. it was still perceived as literature, yes, except for this interlocutor, no one especially not a thinker, because here he is recorded as a handsome man, but all this was published in the russian bulletin, all this is known, mikhail nikiferovich kotkov, the publisher, who is here before us, who published all the russian classics, war and peace, demons, the

karamazov brothers, is an idiot was removed in this edition, with the girl they removed it, but this is a whole story again, this is 16 plus from... removed, he removed that text, the ninth chapter, the so-called, yes, which describes how stavrogin comes to the priest tikhon and shows him text that he wants to make public, well, sometimes in in the temple, the priest says that if it’s hard for you , write, but stavrokin writes a terrible story about a matryoshka, this monstrous one, and what does he say after that, and he says to the quiet one, you are my brother, well, only christ the mother of god is sinless. well, he will forgive, the lord will forgive, just repent, and how to do this, it is necessary that he is not forgiven, he, like anyone, every demon, has a business, he is different, he needs to be repressed, yes, that’s why he ends by myself, this is an important story, but i have another thought, well, of course there may be more subtext, but it’s too complicated, maybe,

but when did this censorship of katkov strictly disappear. then it was possible to insert this chapter , but for the first time, we also have a photograph there , then, this text was only published in 1922, but dostoevsky did not insert it into the novel in the seventy-third year, that is, the novel continued to be published in this way censored or something, in my opinion this is a very strong move, if we knew from the very beginning that stovrogin is a man who will simply marry the disabled garbunya, well, there is gaganova the skid is pulling, all the girls uh. spoils , he just wants to get the lord to not forgive him here, it would be easier, it seems to me that i greet you here right away with ural tea, this is tea with milk, yekaterinburg is slavic with its rock club, here we almost always have street musicians playing, let everything be the way you want, this is our signature

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struggle, passion, harmony, creativity, work, emotions, flight. dream, love, victory, this life. the main tournament of the year, the russian championship live broadcasts from chelyabinsk. on the first. well, we continue. i remind you that we are talking today about dostoevsky, about the novel demons. here. look, i wanted to ask one more thing, vladimir ivanovich, you, well, anton, you too , what do you think, after all, who

could dostoevsky consider demons in his modern times, because we, on the one hand, measure all this against our soltyk, yes, for the 21st century, it is absolutely modern, yes, but in the novel there is a whole panorama of society, i don’t even i’m talking about names, but look at what kind of people.

but it’s only scary when these silent people, these conspirators are in the country itself, in russia itself, and through this novel he warns us, he says that yes, we have external enemies, but it’s better to pay attention to the internal ones , those who will look for the right moment for themselves to manifest themselves and destroy the country, you understand, just for a second. even imagine how many demons he saw in penal servitude, manifested, absolutely, manifested, it would seem, yes, but they didn’t become his heroes in general,

a great thing was written in penal servitude, notes from the house of the dead, where the most terrible killers, good people, can be good people, wonderful, so dostoevsky for me personally is an absolutely bright author, because he leaves hope, he leaves hope of human salvation. he doesn’t close, doesn’t remove the last, so to speak , supports from him, anyone, even the lowest, a prostitute, i don’t know, a murderer, he still loves, votrogen commits suicide, this is his end, he chooses, not like kirillov , yes it completely, completely different, the fact is that kirillov is not in emptiness, kirillov dies filled, in the idea, yes, but...

the complexity of a person to the bottom, this one he already has a cook - he scooped along the bottom, here the karamazov brothers are already just already the grinding, dostoevsky has exhausted, he is everything. talked about what a person is, how traumatic a figure he is, and that in no case can this be subject to some kind of declarativeness, not based on religious and not revolutionary, that is, everything can be brought to the point and even everything these phrases that we we take it out, we take it out of context, and beauty will save the world there and so on.

and today, of course, we realized that fyodor mikhailovich dostoevsky, like 150 years ago, like 200 years in the future, will be relevant and important, because they argue about him, they talk about him, i am very grateful to my interlocutors today, the director, people's artist of russia, vladimir ivanovich khotyanenko, thank you, vladimir ivanovich, see you, thank you, we gave you a reason, very grateful, of course, to anton shagin, theater actor. marka zakharova, thank you very much, well, ours dear interlocutors, i am dmitry bak, host of a literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read, i say the same wonderful phrase, important for me: read with pleasure.

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and he talked so interestingly about space , about managing the station, so simply that this simplicity, it captivated me, that an ordinary person can fly into space, then control spaceships, the station, everyone who was at the lecture then, they all wanted exactly to follow this path, but some succeeded, some did not, you studied at baumka for 6 years, yes, yes, well, at baum university, where one of our best universities

countries where i... i think the best technical education, yes, one of the best, but we don’t have bad universities , we all have good ones, oleg, tell me, which discovery struck you most in astronautics? i think the coolest discovery is that the life that we have on earth can also survive in space under aggressive factors, such as the factors of space flight, under radiation, under grammatical conditions, yes, microorganisms that were found during the experiment test, this is one of... the simplest and most interesting and the most favorite experiments that only an astronaut has, because well, firstly, there is a discovery , and such plates were placed on the outer surface of the station, well, this is a box in which two probes were screwed in, and these probes were unscrewed from the outside, made smears, then they were screwed back in, then they returned to

the ship, to the station, then they returned to... then, in laboratory conditions, they realized that there were microorganisms there, this discovery, it made it possible to raise the level of the earth's biosphere to the level of flight. space station up to 425 km, now we have the next task - to make such mosk satellites that fly higher, for this you need to catch it, well, catch it and fly there, catching it, i think, is not so difficult, but it will be necessary to fly there, in our next development of astronautics will help us with this, i hope. oleg, before becoming an astronaut, you worked at the energia rocket and space corporation in the department that deals with external space. activity, tell me, our spacesuits, eagles, yes, they are improving all the time, compared to the first spacesuits, uh, that were for going into outer space, now modern, what are the differences, differences, but the basis remains -

that we go in from behind, that is, we open the door and there - as if we put it on, we go, that is, into it we close it ourselves, that is, this concept has remained, but... since those times, since the time of the first spacesuit, which was preparing for the moon, for the exits of those, it, of course, has gone far ahead, it has become more convenient, modernization is constantly underway, modernization is constantly underway control systems so that you it was more convenient, more convenient to work , because it is quite rigid, now new sleeves are being tested to make it more convenient to work, then the extreme modernization of the spacesuit, it has... under control, that is, the previous system of the spacesuit, you had to constantly because, well, yes, manually adjusting and changing the temperature, because the intensity of work outside the station changed, that is, you either rest there, then

you get cold, you need to make it warmer, or when you work hard, you you need to cool down, now this is no longer necessary, you set the climate control to one temperature , it works, by the way, only we have an american one. now there is a continuation, modernization does not stop, because firstly, there is such a thing as comments from cosmonauts after exits, yes, they always suggest some things that would improve these spacesuits, and the designers listen to the comments and modernize the spacesuits, if possible, well, now there is such a problem that, well, not just problems, but new ones materials are replacing old materials, therefore - the spacesuit already needs to be modernized with the materials that are there, then these spacesuits, they will be used further, at our new stations there, then we have alien activities ahead, when we fly, we will work on the moon there or on

mars, spacesuits will also be needed there, we are investing all the best developments that we have into new spacesuits, i know that you took part in experiments on earth, march 500 twice, yeah. since it was 2 weeks, the second time it was already 150 days in isolation, tell us what the essence of these experiments was and what new discoveries may have been made, this is a purely psychological experiment, why it was called mars 500, because right now we have the level of our technology and those projects , which exist, they allow us to fly about 200 -odd days to mars, work there for a month and return for the same amount of time, that is , about 500.

in fact, there were many different experiments, it turned out that the most optimal crew is when there are fewer total conflicts, least of all such non -fulfillment of programs, such exolution experiments, these are when the crew is from four to six people, so we initially had one, and this experiment allowed us to work out the element of selection for such a crew for a long-distance flight, for an interplanetary flight, so, so that the flight program is carried out with the least possible effort. conflicts within the crew, this is a very interesting experiment and a good project, and it’s very cool that it is now ongoing, right now a year-long experiment is taking place, called sirius, this is already preparation for the moon,

it is also partly psychological, it’s 3 days to fly to the moon, why a year, well, here, you know, we have to work with the fact that we will have a base on the moon, a lunar base, and we must ... work there, and i think that it should be permanent, and those people, you never know if there will be such a thing that you won’t be able to return there for some reason, and you need to understand how people ... will interact with each other, and for scientists who come up with all sorts of experiments and research, they are very interested in behavior people in such conditions, this is one thing, and secondly , one of the tasks of my isolation experiments and those experiments that are now is to test the experiments before they get to the international space station or further into the future, that is they can now be worked on the ground. people who work here in a closed space, and

how this can be worked out, this is all within the framework of the silius experiment, yes, this is all within the framework of the sirius experiment, that is, me, when i was on my experiments, those experiments, which i was working on then, i later met them on board the international space station, it was many times easier for me to work than for my partners, that is, i already knew these experiments, knew the people who came up with these experiments, supervised them, this and prevention is... all sorts of biological experiments related to human physiology, and those related to which we work with blood, all of this was first worked out in isolation experiments, it was not just that we took it and sent it, but the methodology of how we do it, in which sequences, this is all being worked out in isolation rooms, during the sirius experiment , we touched on the psychological part, yes, that is, psychologists made huge conclusions on the number of crew members, i don’t know, on

the gender type, how many girls there should be, how many boys, i think , what are you saying now, according to the gender type, this continues, because if we take the experiments that i had, i had only one girl in the small experiments, in the main experiment there were only male, now these are the experiments that are currently underway, they are in half, there are in half, there are somewhere more girls, somewhere there are fewer girls, well, look... how they get along with each other, each experiment provides food for so that scientists can draw some conclusions about what the composition should be, how sirius differs from mars, saturation, new equipment, that is , what we did tests there and wrote in writing, now this is no longer there, now all this is computerized , this time, then use.

they are all new, that is, the culture of using the same 3d printer, it is also simulators, new simulators, that is, we only had a treadmill and a regular strength trainer, now this is the simulator that can be installed there at our new station russian, that is, constant development is underway, that is, sirius is radically different from mars simply by a new level, well, simply.

artificial intelligence, how it was used in the experiment, maybe you know examples already used in space, data processing, that is, you are in space, yes, i used it, but i had...

this is for the safety of the crew, in order to track the parameters of the systems that surround you when you are in flight, that is , you know that we do not we're not on duty, right? that is, like a submarine, we don’t have duty officers there who stand watch, yes, we are all sleeping, yes, we have security systems, yes, there are different sensors, artificial intelligence, i think that it is also , that this will be built into it, it will receive data from all sensors about the tightness of the ship, he will also

offer you a way out of the situation, which is possible in principle, what is now being done by the specialists who sit in the center as managers, well, this is huge. they help us manage the station, help us get out of all sorts of emergency situations, here this will be your assistant when you are completely autonomous, it is clear that the person or crew that will fly to mars there to the moon or even further, they will already be trained, how to behave in emergency situations, but such an assistant as

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