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indeed, he brought great benefits , he wrote such inspiring stories, but as i understand it, he devoted a lot of time to interviews with fighters, talked very carefully with people, he communicated, yes, he was on the front line all the time, he was even in a partisan detachment , you understand, just existing in a partisan detachment is already a huge risk, yes, because well, you are behind enemy lines in a partisan detachment, he was even in a partisan detachment, at the front he was constantly on the front line. the then military officers, they didn’t wear this, no, they didn’t have that blue bulletproof vest with the inscription like a press that you can’t shoot at us, he was in uniform, he was an officer, and he ended the war, he was a major, a major, that is, he fought, and he also fought with weapons in his hands, he took part in several military operations, and not only that, do you feel this experience?
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when the officer begins to read information about this city, he understands that the foundation of the house cannot be larger than the house itself, so it is, apparently, in width, the volume of these storage facilities there cheese and butter, that is, it was some kind of city in which cheese and butter were made, so these products were stored in these underground labyrinths.
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i understand little about the art of war, but this story, it really explains a lot, in platonov’s stories there is always a lot of texture, a lot of truth about the work of mechanisms, about the work of people, and direct combat impressions are also there, people shoot there, naturally, they die, naturally, they kill him, naturally, one of his heroes comes under fire, he is thrown up there by an explosion, but not he dies, this is from his personal biography too, but he came under fire, he was thrown back, hit a tree with his head, and then he had headaches that he had never had before, and he wrote to his wife about it. he writes to his wife about this, that it’s not so easy to kill me, i need a direct hit in the head to kill me, and his hero writes in approximately the same words, team tournament of the best figure skaters of russia, the first channel cup, live
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broadcast, tomorrow on the first , is it easy to be recognized as a genius during your lifetime? if i will if i answer this question seriously, i will look like an idiot. we decided to record the memory of friends, zhvanetsky, you were on friendly terms with mikhail mikhailovich, we were on friendly terms, yes, in the company, i noticed this two or three times, if he was not in the spotlight, he is a pussy. the main testing ground for misha’s humor was himself, one mind is good, but two are not necessary, maybe he dressed very well, i think, for a woman or in general? in order to feel himself, he did most of his actions for the sake of women, i think that for the sake of women he became famous, well, when i dealt with women professionally, he had complexes, tall , young, i’m elderly, small, fat, bald, maybe i’m wrong, it’s quite possible,
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so what, whatever, i’m definitely wrong, an elderly woman stands up and says , i didn’t understand in the auditorium, is he going to read from a piece of paper and not sing? on the occasion of the ninetieth anniversary of the birth of mikhail zhvanetsky, from tuesday on the first. it’s fine, i say, grigory, great, casa. this is a must- read podcast, i'm aglaya nabatnikova, we're talking about andrei platonov's war stories with writer german sadulaev. platonov, he was always in the thick of life when the war began, well, where is the life of the people, he always has. yes, and he went there, where the people’s life is. herman, but at the same time i also understand that platonov is an absolutely brilliant writer, he is a man of such a gift, and could have done something else, i don’t know, it seems to me that usually, if a person is so gifted in literature, then
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he should sit and write and do nothing else. well, this is not platonov's situation, because in order to write, he needed to do something, he needed... to do everything, everything in general, that’s what it is now, well, there was the meaning of existence, and he, let’s list it, he was an engineer, he was a philosopher, he participated in this philosophical circle, lukach’s livshits , he was a wonderful writer, of course, a screenwriter, he was a journalist, he showed himself in all areas to the fullest, he lived to the fullest, worked to the fullest. and this is also for children; what fascinates him about platonov is such power and breadth of spirit, while he is very childish
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looks, sometimes he has a lot of stories about , that is, when we see through the eyes of a child what is happening, and in the stories there is a cow or an old iron woman, it is clear that he has... this look, it is very pure, that is, he could look , let’s say, from a child to the world, yes, and his most unique quality is probably platonov’s, that he, well, in addition, naturally, to the literary talent of his fantastic style, there is this pity for people, this sympathy, that is when you perceive someone else's pain as your own, this is very childish, christian, in general, it turns out that he carried... this quality, this property throughout his whole life, which treated him quite cruelly. platonov is a big milestone in russian literature, but he did not arise out of emptiness and after him there was no emptiness left, yes, because, well, tell me about it, who was before, who was after, a good, correct writer, he is always built into
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the context of russian literature , it enriches russian literature, it grows from it, and it continues to grow further and further. future sprouts, so it is impossible to understand where platonov begins and where he ends, and his beginning was very well said by gorky, gorky immediately realized that he... grew out of gogol, here is some fantastic speech, here is some deep psychology, it all comes from gogol , gogol also sprouted into russian literature, and he gave us, on the one hand, he gave us platonov, yes, on the other hand he gave us bulgakov, who also grew out of gogol, which means he sprouted like that, platonov and he also grew up in modern times literature, and partly it... venedikt erofeev perceived such a special relationship with language, i think yegor letov also
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perceived it, because platonov has this property that when you read him, it’s as if this yours awakens in you russian matrix, yes, that is, this structure of speech, it is unusual, but at the same time it resembles either a prayer, or a conspiracy, or a folk surreal purity, letov also has this. that is, not everyone understands the art of plato, not everyone understands the art of yegor letova, this is an obligatory quality , it seems to me, of a russian person, that is, there is something very popular in these authors, namely work through the structure of speech, do you agree, yes, his structure of speech is like his unique contribution to russian literature, his style of speech, for which he was criticized in soviet times, too, yes, stalin wrote trabarsky language about his story for future use. yes , it’s a gibberish language, but it’s a very enigmatic language, that is, it’s mysterious, it’s
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close to the sacred language of the sacred scriptures, which are always a little unclear, which yes, you understand, rather not on a discursive level, but somewhere intuitively , then he specifically uses some techniques of sacred and folk literature, in the same... tale about a labyrinth, a storm of a labyrinth, a storm of a labyrinth, yes, that’s where he is plays on the so-called number riddles , which are very well known from folklore, he has a soldier answering a question, answering about numbers, yes, what is three, what is four, and he answers, three is like - a way, like a plan, this , this, this, this is a fight, he says, there’s like, reconnaissance, planning. execution , a4 says that a4 is an adjustment to the opposition of the enemy, which, that is
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, he finds a correspondence with 41, he laid out any number, a number, and this is a traditional folklore motif, these are numerical riddles, you will find them in scandinavian folklore, you will find them in indian folklore, this is such a traditional motif, he consciously uses it, that is , this is his structure of speech and...
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this interesting view of the world, and some unusual sensations. platonov was very closely connected with the people throughout his life, his father worked with steam locomotives, this shows his love for steam locomotives, which came from childhood, he worked himself from an early age, and he was always with people, with nations, then in the war he was also with soldiers, but also of course, it is necessary to say separately about its negation
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platonov writes about this from his courtyard, he wants to get out of his coffin and wants to join something great and... there he burns down the electric station that the hero built, some villain burns it, the people again chip in with their money and build it again this power plant , there is also something philosophical in this, in the fact that everyone is ready to repeat this work of several years to build it again, and this episode, it is
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also connected with the biography of platonov, he was also involved in electrification, one of his power plants was burned. and that's what i wanted talk about this psychological life hack, you said, yes, what is needed, when all this is falling on you, then you need to look, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, the world doesn’t end with this, the world doesn’t end with me and my insoluble problems, yes there are, and my fanaberies, yes, there are, there are other goals, other meanings in life, you need to feel like part of the people, part of a big whole, and give yourself to it. i think that for platonov this was not just a phrase, it was a conscious psychological reality, otherwise he would hardly have been able to to withstand all the blows of fate that constantly rained down on him, firstly, his life as a writer was not easy, well, his party life did not work out very well, he was accidentally
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expelled from the party due to a combination of circumstances, then he was not accepted, although he wanted to. the same thing, stalin did not scold sholokhov, but i know that later at some meeting , after this whole story, with this story, after which, naturally, platonova was blocked everywhere, but several years later at some meeting of writers, stalin i asked if platonov was here, but he remembered him , and i think that not without his participation at the front , the military correspondents took him from the rank and file, he
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personally followed each of these writers, well, of course... this literary criticism, this article in the newspaper is true, of course, it was a big blow for him, they stopped publishing it, and even then he had high hopes for literature, he had big problems, purely everyday in life, he did not have enough money, he had nothing to live on, he had a wife , child, then the child was arrested at 15 years old, his child went to camp, went to camp, returned sick, right?
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the risks are constant, that is, not to say that life spoiled him, not at all, but at the same time we don’t see anger anywhere, we don’t even see despondency anywhere, i think this is precisely because he managed to apply this life hack in his own life, he really lived like this, he had faith and he had the strength to get up every time and continue to work for the good of his country and bring benefits to his people, because he understood: yes, this is my life, yes here. yes she is complicated, yes she is not the way i imagined it, but i will still act, this is a must-read podcast, writer german sadulaev, and we are discussing the war stories of andrei platonov. you know, this image of a flower, which appears several times in several stories, the image of a flower that
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grows from rocky or sandy soil, and platonov writes that this flower, which grows from this thin soil, is like a person who he transforms evil into good, that’s it. this is also something buddhist, very optimistic platonov’s philosophical concept, he often speaks, again directly, about the substance of life or about living matter, which we must preserve and increase, and for the sake of this everything, but what am i in myself? i am a small particle of this living substance, if i die, well, that means i will die, if - on me and by me, but on me life will end. other living matter will grow, if i contribute to its preservation and increase, then all this was not in vain, this is a very optimistic, very bright russian
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philosophy, which is embodied in his text, even platonov was probably happy with his personal life, he had one wife all his life, whom he loved very much, in general, such a monogamous union is rare for a russian writer, and i know that you recently... wrote a very hype post about that akhmatova ruined gumilyov with her frivolous character, and i thought that, probably, plato has this example of marriage and these relationships, he probably inspires herman, that this is an example of a proper writer’s wife, or what do you say to that, yes, it’s very difficult when you’re in an alliance two equal creative ones converge...
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2.5 years, she. left for her husband, then he looked at her and said, he felt sorry for her, because she couldn’t get rid of this craving for new love, for some new feelings, this is also all understandable, this is also all very human, but here’s his stories like the return, they are a little different for me, they are a little different than the innermost person, than - the labyrinth, storming the labyrinth , plato’s hidden man, what is he like, what, this is this character, yes, which runs through the whole identity of plato, here is plato’s hidden man, here he is, that’s the secret, that’s why he’s secret, that you can’t squeeze him into a template, but i would probably say that he is incomprehensible from an individualistic point of view, how he can cut sausage on
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his wife’s coffin is incomprehensible if we... look at a person simply from the point of view of his individuality , his fate, that is platonov is an anti-individualist, his innermost person, he is very connected with everything , he is with nature, he is inscribed in the world around him deeply with his own feelings, he is not only part of the people, he is part of the world in general, he is part of nature, he is like here is a sprout on the surface , but the root system is deep, deep... underground, and you won’t understand anything about it, if you look only at the sprout, you don’t understand what and how it lives, you don’t understand why where it grows , if you don’t take into account this root system of his, yes german, this was a very interesting conversation, thank you very much, thank you very much, this was a must-read podcast, i’m aglayan batnikova, my guest was the writer german sadulaev, we talked about the prose of andrei platonov, even more history about
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expressions of very strong emotions. i feel vocabulary exists in russian for strong emotions. let's start with the basics: where did russian swearing come from? there is a traditional version, the tatars, the mongols, how did everything else bring us their evil curse? well, yes, this is the version that some people want
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so to speak, bodily misa, then the russian sakashki in german is also a gozanitsa, for example, yes, this is a much cruder curse than those associated with the sexual sphere, there are taboos associated with various kinds of fears, signs, superstitions, even in modern language there are such substitutions when we do not utter words associated with alarming or scary circumstances for us, we do not we use... directly, for example, words associated with death or fatal diseases, especially if this concerns close people, say the word he has cancer, this phrase, uncomfortable, scary, a person is stressed physiologically, this can be verified and
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a high-quality tumor, onology, yes, this is a very good euphemism, that is, the replacement of a terrible thing with a less terrible, less traumatic one, and the same euphemism occurs when... used, that is, when hinting at taboo vocabulary, when a person breaks a taboo, he experiences stress, in order to minimize this stress, but at the same time, as if to hint that we mean some forbidden words, we use euphemisms, there are also many such euphemisms in the russian language related to optional vocabulary, well, there are them million, damn classic, damn classic, it’s interesting, by the way, that modern youth.
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yes, there are different hypotheses, one of the hypotheses , for example, that the bear was called buka, hence the horror stories about beech and the wonderful word bug, like a little bear, but if anyone has seen a bug up close, they know that it is quite scary, but they replaced it with euphemism, of course,
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the name of the most dangerous animal on the one hand, dangerous, on the other hand , revered animal in slavic cultures, so as not to call it again and not call. the fear was so strong, the taboo on pronouncing this word was so strong that the word disappeared completely, that is, bear is not a native word, this bear is a replacement for some original word that denoted this animal in slavic languages, valandomort , which is the one who cannot be named, who cannot be named, absolutely right, and this was an animal that, well, let’s say that it ate honey, but in fact the word damn the word bear are similar in their own way. in the sense that it is, that these two words are euphemisms, yes, that is they replace another word, but for different reasons, if the bear was replaced because they were afraid of him, then the word damn replaces the pissed
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word, which is not commonly used directly in society. well, you said that swearing is needed to express strong emotions, i read somewhere a study just about the word damn, where st. petersburg philologists analyzed the corpus of... not an emotion, it’s an acoustic plug to make speech sound more harmonious, you need something... then, some word is inserted, well, there is an illusion that you need to insert some word in order for speech sounded harmonious, as linguists call it, this is a filled pause of hisitation, when a person cannot construct a phrase harmoniously, without these plugs, fillings, he gets used to inserting something there, and accordingly the words are lost. almost all of their functions, except for this
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phonetic one, yes, some sounds, it turns out that phrases with these plugs become familiar, they can be different, they can be damn it, we can have, like, any parasites, so they perform this function, and this indicates a low, let’s say, speech culture, well, wait, well, here are people with a high speech culture, all sorts of professors, philologists or something else.
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there are, well, different, so to speak, ways of demonstrating speech culture, from the point of view of phonetics, from the point of view of beautiful sounding, these words are needed, but no, of course, but what is beautiful here, have you ever heard, i have never heard, so that someone would beautifully construct some phrases to fill the pauses of hissitation, on the contrary, sometimes unplanned comic effects are obtained, there was an incident in my life: i met
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a young man, roman, he worked as a driver in the office where i also worked, he came to me suddenly for my birthday, my mother took him into the room, poured him tea, sat and talked, he ate a piece of cake, left, and my mother was amazed asks, says , wow, why, he says, he seemed to be talking to me, but he kept turning to me... all the time wah, wow, my mother didn’t understand that he didn’t say wow, but another word, this is filling in pauses hisitations, yes, these are the construction of sentences with plugs, as you say, habitual, but my mother did not understand this word, and he cannot speak differently, we had such a wonderful case that very well illustrates how this happens, and there is no need for these plugs. that is, there was not that emotional charge that required this
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completely rude thing, it was just mechanical, it was inserted into some, well, pauses, rhythmic intervals that are in the sentence. hello, the news is live in the studio sergei tugushev. at the beginning of the issue, briefly about the main thing. a counter-terrorism operation in karabulak, an ingush city, revealed a gang of militants. residents of several streets were evacuated. tank battle.
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