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the spring night has come, hid everything around, again i’m looking forward to you, my friend, where are you, where are you, where are you, my beloved friend, i’ll be there until the end. i’ll meet you, wait with you, where are you, where are you, where are you, suddenly my beloved, i’ll be waiting until dawn to meet you, and you
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so this is what a hero is, what can i say, it’s your job again, what kind of arbitrariness, regime on... the object after all , yes, there haven’t been dances for 100 years, well, i don’t want to go back right away, okay, i’ll allow the celebration to begin, just so that it’s quiet , boris fedorovich, it’s very, very nice, that’s it, let’s go, i’ll crumble it up, here .
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farewell circle over the city, flying away. the plow flies away , the gray-eyed friend shakes his wings, and you take it, right now, yes my date is juiced, yes my date is brave. replenish your beloved fighting house, through the foggy haze, you will pass by me, and you will return again to the house under the mountain, through the mists of the storm, we will pass
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once i offered my students such a task, gave them a text and asked them to determine its main feature. some said that the text was too short and uninformative, others , on the contrary, that it was too long, but they were all wrong. the main feature was that this text was written not by a person, but by a computer program. hello, today we are gathering our thoughts about artificial intelligence. harutyun ishkhanovich avetsyan, academician of the russian academy of sciences, director
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of the institute. system programming, proteraeus pavel velikanov, associate professor of the moscow theological academy, i’m vladimir ligoida, you know, as a pre-question, like a warm-up, i want to ask you this, what would you call today the main horror story about artificial intelligence, which has no reality no relation, but what really worries you, there are a lot of horror stories, but globally, my opinion is that it is very important that... our society, we understand that we are still dealing with advanced it technologies, and not artificial intelligence, in the real sense of the word, horror stories are mostly about and films are being made on this topic, mainly about the fact that artificial intelligence will get out of control, that it will become more powerful than a person himself, and it seems to me that here it is very important to determine this watershed that these are fundamentally different worlds, and there is no need to be afraid of this in this sense.
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accelerated implementation of any technology , including artificial intelligence, which gives a significant increase in labor productivity, i will say this, sometimes by tens of percent, sometimes on an orderly basis, without control of mechanisms, technologies, testing for trust, and for security in a broader sense, of course, this is very, very dangerous, and sometimes they even scare me that here is public opinion, they survey public opinion and are proud that it is 70-80%. our population believes that artificial intelligence is not scary, it’s normal, because generally speaking, you should be a little afraid of it, in this sense. let's discuss the details, what will the clergy say? i think that one of the most dangerous horror stories, which are very attractive to most people, is that artificial intelligence will quietly replace a person and thereby make his further existence meaningless, so it seems to me that this is, of course, a horror story.
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this is what really worries and excites, this is the eternal problem of man, which in its time is still plato in the state. it was thought that it would be resolved when, as a result of the development of technology and everything else that helps a person in life, a huge space of time would be freed up for the spiritual cultural development of a person. and our experience of industrialization, post-industrialization, modern digital time, it shows that there is nothing like that. 12%.
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it takes much more effort to break away, the simplest is an image, an example, a person who lives or at least has experience of life in a village, he knows perfectly well that if he doesn’t will go to the well if he doesn’t bring water , if he doesn’t bring firewood, if he doesn’t feed the cow , then he won’t be able to, and he simply won’t survive, a person who lives in an apartment is guaranteed, even if he practically doesn’t pay for utilities, he knows that he most likely won’t be kicked out, it will still be warm. there will still be water in the tap , there will still be something, yes, somewhere he will find something for himself, scrape it up, go to the neighbors, have something to eat, and he can afford the luxury of sitting in front of the tv before, now in games, there on social networks and so on, the question is why
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a person sorely lacks internal immunity in order to resist, counteract such temptation, let's definitely talk about this, there are just a lot of questions at once, unfortunately, there is not much time, but... .in principle, the main answer has been sounded, but i still want to maybe explore this topic a little, look, alain turing, the famous mathematician, in my opinion, published his article in 1950 or 1951, which asks question, can a machine think, if i ’m not mistaken, he then proposed the so-called imitation game, yes, that if there is a leader, a person and a machine, then the leader is given a task, he asks questions to these two interlocutors and must him according to the answers. determine which of them is a machine and which of them is a human. in my opinion, turing said that if more than seventy answers are accepted as human, there in 5 or 10 minutes, then it means that this is a person, it seems like i read that not a single machine has yet passed this test
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passed, then, as i understand it, they polemicized with him, and so on, this doesn’t raise the question of your definition, khanovich, that after all, this is definitely not intelligence, you understand what’s the matter, technology doesn’t work like that, unless... i know, your diesel engine is made very well, it looks like i don’t know any other super engine, this doesn’t mean that it has ceased to be a diesel engine, but here it’s exactly the same situation, until strong artificial intelligence, here in in this sense, from my point of view, it is very far away, although there are enthusiasts who believe that in the next few years, maximum 10 years, it will be created, from my point of view, this will not happen in my lifetime, and if it happens, it will even happen, this is a separate discussion, it needs to be discussed separately. because it is generally accepted in the world , by the way, this confirms my words, that the world community thinks so, the subjectivity of artificial intelligence is not discussed anywhere, this means that after all, everyone treats this as complex, but technology, from this position it is necessary this is to consider now, if such technologies appear, i
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, as a person who deals with this , will see it, doubts will begin to appear, i will share, but for now i have no doubts, and i don’t have any doubts now, that everything that is happening now is so or otherwise very well advanced machine learning with its own. incredible, when i was listening to you, i also thought that when we look at an unmanned vehicle, yes, it is, it doesn’t mean that it, that the program controls the same as a person, yes, it’s completely different the principle of what is called driving , you know, this is a very good topic here, driverless cars don’t really
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exist, but the fact is that when elon musk, for example, was asked, what did he say, i have an assistant, that is, there is there are a lot of experiments with unmanned vehicles, but in the sense that an unmanned car drives wherever it wants and it... okay, this is not there, i have been talking about this for a long time, i have been talking about this for a long time and said that if there is a dedicated circuit, a special environment, whatever you want to call it, it’s technological, just humanly, then yes then. doesn’t know that he defeated geobarde
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, yes, yes, so it seems to me that a very important topic is that a person in a situation where he does not have a pre-prepared algorithm, he dives into a certain depth, artificial intelligence has nowhere to dive, well, that is there is no such spare space from which it would be possible to quickly pull up the necessary algorithms to solve this, well, by the way , i also remembered this now, i read somewhere that when you compare. human brain with a computer, yes, then we still proceed from the fact that a computer is a deterministic system, that is, under the same conditions, yes, we get the same result, and the human brain is a non-deterministic system, the results are always the same will be different, so i wouldn’t pose the question here like this, because someone listening to us will start this later, because artificial intelligence is still not entirely deterministic, there are some difficulties there, but it’s still this not that...
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academician, he now says that everything connected with human memory is not connected with neurons at all, with new cells, well, not new, but with known ones, and they need to be studied and a new direction, in fact, all this needs to be pursued , therefore... the brain is a much more complex story, probably this is the very last thing that a person in his humanity will be able to study, so this is some kind of model, it has the right to life, it has shown its capacity, but we must treat it this way, that we we have enough an effective tool for solving the problem, now we need, based on the complexity that this technology represents, we must manage risks, make sure that it does not cause harm and is used to the maximum, well, as always in principle.
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in the life of mankind there was a nuclear reactor, some other complex technologies, but don’t treat this as if now let’s implement it everywhere at any cost, because it’s profitable, well, it’s clear that when you let a person through on the subway, well what difference does it make, well, even if he deceives, he comes in, yes well, let him come, it won’t affect anything, but if he goes to a nuclear facility, for example, it’s probably not worth the risk there and there should also be protection circuits to check for sure that he is or is not him, here it seems to me already world practice. it’s going in this direction, the europeans are generally tough , they announced it in may, we discussed it at our conference, now, in my opinion , they have accepted that they will divide artificial intelligence into three parts, one part will simply be prohibited, for example, the collection of biometrics in public places, social scoring, the second part will necessarily be regulatory, well, for example in aviation, you know there are strict rules, it’s just that if you are not developing an operating system for aviation from scratch, for example, it is impossible to certify, that is, it is quite strict, but there is no ... artificial intelligence, this is ordinary software, but it is an extremely dangerous zone and
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, accordingly, there are costs for certification for support, sometimes many times more than for the development itself, we do this, so i know this well, we do it ourselves real time the operating system, finally the third part, when you can use it as you want, it doesn’t affect anything, well, for example, the entrance to the subway, from my point of view, can be entered into the third part , well, a person comes in, they come in, or in the dining room, for example, permission, well, he’ll eat it one more time, which doesn’t work for a large volume. different, some people think that we don’t need ours at all, because now there was no way to regulate the opinion, some people think that, on the contrary, everything needs to be regulated, like in other countries, but what is really needed is this discussion of what we understood, and at the same time this needs to be somehow discussed in society based on scientific knowledge, and not because we are afraid of it, let’s go there, if we move away from fears in the opposite direction, look, these are the main hopes that we... can rely on development , it seems, the main hope is that we will have the opportunity to make such a technology, here is father pavel, you give me
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a qualitative leap in understanding the depth of formal data processing, even if we take, relatively speaking, there languages, after all today we are all witnesses to how much the quality of translation has advanced not only from modern languages, but also from ancient ones. for example, i don’t speak the ancient armenian language there, but today, thanks to artificial intelligence, i can in general terms imagine what the holy fathers talked about there, interesting for... for me, this is the period, that is, something completely new is opening up, earlier, absolutely inaccessible to me in my status, with my level of knowledge, an area that i can already use, plus or minus quite adequately, i think that, of course, this is a huge help. on the other hand, remembering the story of our seminarians
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who tried to write a sermon, and were then very upset that, in general, not each of them... could write such a sermon that it would be guaranteed to pass the test of the teacher, this cool too, why? because it makes you think, but i would also add here that we do not understand how the brain works at all, despite the fact that we have advanced very much, that is, the answer is, what is the brain, is our self-awareness, consciousness in general as such, really, is it caused by certain physical processes, chemically. but on the other hand, for a believer , a completely different perspective opens up here, and from the christian anthology we understand that a person without god is not a person in this sense, i really like the image that father sergei
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bulgakov uses, he says that in a person there is a hole drilled in infinity, that’s why i really like this image, but at the hole. there is no nature of its own, you understand, that is this opens up, in my opinion, an absolutely amazing prospect of such fearlessness in the scientific field. academician rutyun avetsyan, proteraeus pavel velikanov, i am vladimir ligoidem, today we gathered our thoughts about artificial intelligence. you know, i think that there is not a single industry in our life now where artificial intelligence will not be introduced, because once again. i think karmar said yes, that the capitalist will sell 100% of the profit and his own mother, there is an obvious benefit here, from the point of view of our country, because this is with on the one hand, this is an advantage of hope , on the other hand, of course, there are risks associated with the loss of jobs, this is discussed there, well, of course, but from the point of view of our huge country, where the population is not very large,
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automation of this kind will help to master what is now difficult , in this sense, in a sense, it’s even easier for us, agriculture, for example, well, we need to increase its efficiency, automate, this is all connected again with artificial intelligence, because in traditional ways, if you do this, it’s just very expensive, in medicine, uh, in fact , most of us just don’t go to doctors, to be honest, well, i mean the population, and that’s why we’re doing what we’re trying to move in this direction and those that screening of the population is constantly passive, for example, through the devices that we carry with us, there is a single-channel one now in the clock, and a person can be brought to the doctor sooner, and as you know, the earlier the diagnosis is made, the better he can be treated, from my point of view vision this will not lead to the fact that doctors will not be needed, on the contrary, the pressure will be even greater, doctors will be needed more, but the efficiency factor can increase sharply, that is, if before we served
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i don’t know 1.00 people, then we can serve 10,000, but more, and a good doctor will be able to convey his knowledge down to the regions, down to the villages where the doctors are. sometimes there is no, god forbid, that there is a filsher, that is, these are simple examples, and there are a lot of them, in fact, i ’m not even talking about production, where methods for analyzing production, i don’t know, have been used for a long time for in order to reduce marriage, and it seems to me that there are simply no problems here, this must be implemented, i am certainly not the person who, despite the fact that i said that security, trust, who wants to stop this, but this needs to be done with the sum again, you need to do it so that there is control over it, control.
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