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hello, i'm pilot cosmonaut anton shkaplerov, this is a podcast about space stories. russia is a great space power; it never ceases to explore new horizons in the space industry. the first artificial earth satellite, the first man in space, the first woman in space, the first spacewalk, the first docking , finally, the first feature film shot in space, this is russia. today my friend, cosmonaut pilot, hero of russia, oleg artemyev, is visiting me. oleg committed first. flight 10 years ago, oleg

, hello, hi, hi, why did you choose the space industry, there are many other interesting professions, maybe there is an element of chance, since i wanted to get the best education, well , in my youth i thought that the most the astronauts have the best education, i went through all the autobiographies of the astronauts, there were military pilots, there were engineers who graduated from mine, mktu. and i followed this path, got an education, but before i got it, i had a very a good meeting, so significant for me, i met at a lecture with vladimir aleksevich solovyov, who is now the general designer of the energia rocket and space corporation, and he is also the flight director at tsup, and he spoke so interestingly about space, about the management of the station, so simply , that... this simplicity, it captivated me,

that an ordinary person can fly into space, then control spaceships, a station, everyone who was at the lecture then, they all wanted to follow this path, but some succeeded, some didn’t , you studied for 6 years in baummanka, yes, yes, yes, well, at bauun university, where one of our best universities in the country, where i think the best technical education, yes, one of the best, but we don’t have any bad universities, we all have good ones, oleg, tell me, which one? what discovery surprised you most in astronautics? i think the coolest discovery is that the life that we have on earth can also survive in space under aggressive factors, such as space flight factors, radiation, i’ll come, yes, the microorganisms that were found during the test test, this is one of the simplest, most interesting , most favorite experiments that only an astronaut has, because... well

, firstly, there is a discovery and it was taken to the outside the surface of the station is such plates, well , this is a box where two probes were screwed in. and these probes were unscrewed from the outside, smears were made, then screwed back in, then returned to the ship to the station, then returned to the ground, then in laboratory conditions they understood what was there there are microorganisms, this discovery, it made it possible to raise the level of the earth's biosphere to the level of the flight of a space station, up to 425 km, now our next task is to make such masks on... satellites that fly higher, for this we need to catch it, well, catch it and to fly to there, to catch, i think, is not so difficult, but to fly to there it will be necessary, our next development of astronautics will help us with this, i hope. oleg, before becoming an astronaut, you worked at the energia rocket and space corporation.

department that deals with external activities. tell me, our spacesuits, eagles, yes, they are being improved all the time, compared to the first ones. spacesuits that were for going into outer space, now modern, what differences are there, but the basis remains that we go in from behind, that is , we open the door and kind of put it on, we go in, that is, we close it ourselves, that is, this the concept remained, but since then , since the time of the first spacesuit, which was preparing for the moon for the exits, then it... of course left far ahead, he got a more convenient one, uh , modernization is constantly underway, uh , control systems are constantly being modernized, so that it is more convenient for you, more convenient, so that you can work, because it is quite rigid, uh, now new sleeves are being tested to make it more convenient it was to work, then -

the early modernization of the spacesuit, it has climate control, that is, the previous system of the spacesuit, you had to constantly, because of that, yes, manually adjust. you need to make it warmer or when you work hard, you need to cool down, now it’s it’s no longer necessary, you set the climate control to one temperature, it works, by the way, only we have an american one, yes, yes, now there is a continuation, modernization does not stop, because firstly there is...

they continue to be transported to our new stations there , then we have alien activities ahead of us, when we fly, we will work on the moon there or on mars, spacesuits will also be needed there, all the best developments that we have, we are investing in new spacesuits, i know that you took participation in experiments on earth, march 500 twice, the first time it was 2 weeks, the second time it was already 150 days in isolation, tell us - what was the essence of these experiments and what new discoveries might have been made? this is a purely psychological experiment and why it was called mars 500, because right now the level of our technology and the projects that exist allow us to fly in about 200 -odd days to mars, work there for a month and

the same amount back return, that is, it is approximately 520 days, and the most important part this space flight must be done so that the crew returns alive. the least number of such non-fulfillment of programs , such exolution experiments, is when the crew is from four to six people, so we initially had one like that, and this experiment allowed us to work out the element of selection for such a crew for a long-distance flight on an interplanetary flight, so that the program

the flight was carried out with the least conflicts within the crew, this is a very interesting experiment and a good project, and it’s very cool that... it’s ongoing now, right now, right at this moment , a year-long experiment is taking place, called sirius, this is already preparation for the moon, it is also partly psychological. it takes 3 days to get to the moon, why a year? well, here, you know, we have to work with the fact that on the moon we will have a base, a lunar base, and we have to work on it, and i think that it should be permanently operating, and those people, you never know, such a case will happen that you won’t be able to return there for some reason, and you need to understand how people will interact with each other, and for scientists who come up with all sorts of experiments. this is a study, they are very interested in the behavior of people in such conditions, this is one thing, and secondly, one of the tasks

of my isolation experiments and those experiments that are now is testing the experiments before they get to the international space station or there further into the future, that is, they can now be worked out on the ground with those people who work here in a confined space, and how this can be worked out, this is all within the framework of an experiment with... we work with blood, we had all this at first worked out in isolation experiments, not just like that, we took it and sent it, but the methodology,

how we do it, what sequence, all this is worked out in isolation experiments, sirius, we touched on the psychological part, yes, that is, psychologists made huge conclusions on the number of crew members , i don’t know by gender type, how many girls there should be, how many boys, i think that’s what... you are now talking by gender type, it continues, because if we take the experiments that i had, me in small experiments there was only one girl, in the main experiment there were only males, now those experiments that are going on now, they are in half, there are in half, there are somewhere more girls, somewhere there are fewer girls, well, look how they get along with each other, each experiment provides food for scientists - well, to draw some conclusions about what the composition should be, what is the difference between sirius and mars? saturation,

new equipment, that is, the fact that we did tests there and wrote them in writing, now this is already no, now it’s all computerized, that ’s it, then the use of artificial intelligence is mandatory, that is, you already kind of use it to process data, then. new experiments that appear and are being tested now, which did not exist then, then, uh, now the appearance of new equipment, then when i actually had a 3d printer, we were only dreaming, now it already exists, uh, then, what else, well , well, science does not stand still, that is, the tools that scientists use are all new, then there is a culture of using the same 3d printer, it also has simulators, classes

, a module, it’s like it’s one, but the filling is completely different, there it was analog, but here it’s digital, that is, this, that is, this is a completely different level of work, alex said about artificial intelligence, how it was used in the experiment, maybe you know examples of use already in space, data processing, that is, you are in space, yes i used it, but i had access to the internet and of course i came to it in a very interesting way, i i saw my son very quickly... i does these lessons, and i looked, he just asked questions with a chatbot, well, it’s true with

old data, but it’s quite very difficult, well, he noted well, these are these social networks that we, well, since 2014, have used for astronauts, well, uh how is our work, but we need to lead them, then the description of the posts, you can ask a question about the area over which you are flying to the artificial intelligence. and he answers you, well, really, here you have to keep an eye on him, because sometimes he has one with geographical coordinates with his names are spaces, he can be. well, i think that the first is for the safety of the crew, in order to monitor the parameters of the systems that surround you when you are flying, that is, you know that we are not on duty, yes, that is, like submarines,

we have there are no guards on duty there, we are all sleeping, but we are provided with. it will work instead of them, of course, well, we can see this in any science fiction film, when you turn to alice, marusa and someone else and ask how you are doing there, that is, i think it will be the same, because with us, we fly here close to the ground, and we are constantly under the supervision of our helicopters in korolev, in houston, there in cologne, in zukoba, they help us,

they help manage the station out of all sorts of emergency situations, here this will be your assistant when you are... completely autonomous, it is clear that the person or crew that will fly to mars there to the moon or even further, they will already be trained, how to behave in emergency situations, but such an assistant as here is artificial intelligence, it will allow the level of survival to reach a different level, of course, yes. premiere, big story, maidan, part two, tomorrow on the first. we continue our conversation about the future of russian cosmonautics with oleg artemev. russia begins to build its russian orbital station. well, tell us what has already been done, what will be done. well, what kind of tasks it would be, i would be very glad, all the cosmonauts who, well, plan to fly on it, we are happy

that it has a polar orbit. what is she gives? it will fly over our entire country, and not only the country, but in general we will fly over the entire globe, this is very cool, because the station that is flying now, we are only 20 or 25 percent, we can observe well the percent of our country and see, murtazin was here as a guest, he told how he was trying to find exactly what was needed, we are not the orbit, many were skeptical, were afraid of radiation and so on, well, you see people here sometimes. sees a little narrowly, a man like murtazin, those people who are involved in astronautics, they live, they understand immediately, they understand what it is, that it is necessary, that this is exactly how it should be done, that is, it’s like a beautiful ship, that is, you understand why it was done exactly this way, and this is what the station should be flying like, just like that so, especially this, well, this is our kind of station, which is right above

our territory, this is very cool, and the fact that the station, well now... recently there was a meeting with a rocket from the space industry of our president, yes, that is the fact that she was approved, approved, yes, this is actually me, this is one of the most joyful moments this year , for the most important thing, funding was approved , more than 600 billion rubles will be for this entire program and the president said there is money to continue working one of the most joyful moments this year, lucky for our rocket and space industry, lucky.

will take the best from the previous stations that we had, salyut, mir, there is the iss, it will have an open architecture, what does this mean, these are the stations that we flew, they were always limited, some were for a year, then there for five years, for 3 years, then for 5 years, this iss station is for 15 years, well , now it is already over 25 years old, yes already 25, that is, it has already flown one and a half times, almost twice as long and is still flying, this is the station that will now be ours. .. she has no term at all, that is, she can be said to be immortal, limitless, what is this connected with? the basis of the station, this is the station control , this base unit, it is replaceable. that is , it is open, you can undock, change that mode, it will be a node, and a node module, it will be docked to it, older ones will be, yes, yes, this is very cool, because

well, technology does not stand still, we are constantly undergoing such a scientific and technological revolution, every year we learn something new, some new materials appear, some new thoughts, maybe another korolev will be born there, come up with something else, and we will continue to modernize this station; it will fly endlessly. is the project open or will only russians fly? no, well, it’s clear that now it’s growing, yes, russian orbital station, yes, a service station, but i think that those countries that are friendly to us, and those that maintain good relations with us, the path to this station will always be open for them in order to work and for there to be international cooperation, this definitely, this module , which is inflatable, assembled, transformable module, well - we have developments in ours in our industry on the iss there is a beam and the american one has been flying there for a long time, it has been flying there for a long time, checks have been flying there for a long time, but the only one

they want to make a hotel is the only negative in such modules that of course there is increased radiation, well, radiation itself exists in space, but the inflatable module has minimal protection, that is, of course, there the person receives a normal dose, so the module that it... we have in the project, it will most likely be some kind of storage module for some replaceable elements , resource elements, and sooner or later it will appear, now at this stage, which we see according to the construction plan of our station, that is, it is not a priority, in some way, well, future it will be, first you need to make the base, of course, and then think about launching a transformable module, so i know when they built it. from salute 7, that is, the last salute , about 800 kg of equipment was transported from the salute station to the world, well, in order to demolish, well

, the most expensive, the most necessary thing was whether they could do this with the iss so that it would grow, yes, it’s great that you remembered this operation, this is a unique operation, because i don’t know anything else like it, and we already mentioned that he just participated in this with kizim, this was an important event, but... with us, of course, it’s unlikely to work out, because these are completely different inclinations, but with us, if, as you already recalled murtazinov, he even said that the biggest costs are fuel - this is just to change - the inclination, and of course, we are unlikely to have this, the only thing we can do is if, well, i mean, if we fantasize and load all the most valuable things that we have on the space station into some module. then undock with a truck and lift the truck into an orbit where he i would fly there endlessly and when there is an opportunity, when we have such

means, where when we can calmly fly in the dry land and not think about the fact that we have high fuel costs, then we can someday fly there to pick up or for museums of the earth or for museums of the moon there, these are the things that would be the most valuable there in international space.

space, we are sent the entire preliminary design that exists, and we read it, discuss it, consult, argue somewhere with the designers, with the designers, come to some common opinion, and this, of course , we look at the complex of problems, there may be something unprofitable, something too expensive, or there are, for example, some such wishes, but because of this the station may not fly, so not all wishes come true, so we look at the level of our production, the level of what we can do, and do not interfere, you, you personally contributed something, i had such a wish

that we have a module . for physical education classes, so that it is all transparent, yes, so that we fly, so that they write about what more, firstly, a porthole, because there were not enough of them in the preliminary design from the very beginning, and you are right in saying that it would be nice to have like domes, that is, these straight, well, large glass ones, so that you can relax and play sports, that is , physical, well, of course there is such a desire, but for now there may not be such materials, but thanks to the fact that we have an open architecture. as soon as the opportunity arises, we will have technologies where we can make such a transparent module that itself then it goes dark, like in these science fiction films, then it will appear in the summer and will be worked out so that later in the summer, well, there is a version of a commercial module that will be specially made for tourists, it will be, they will have separate cabins there and how since there will be a lot of portholes, in my opinion they want to make two domes, yes, yes, well, we’ll see, we’ll see.

we’ll see, but in general, design is now being done by specially invited students, yes, it’s very cool that yes, ours were attracted students in stroganovka, they have a lot of interesting projects there, this is real professional design, yes, yes, real professional design, well, they are such beginners and they seem to be young and well, they have a look that is not at all washed-out, yes, of course they offer such there are those there. well, there were some, but also soviet ones, yes, yes, well then you see, then we were in first place , defense capability was, well, it’s true that it is still in first place, then of course then survivability was in first place, yes, and now they deal specifically with the internal finishing of the station, and well , all the comments were taken into account, you remember, yes, we lived ...

in the service module, when we had it and where we eat, and where we go to the toilet, where we sleep, with us this is all on a small patch, now if you look at the design of the module, where we will live there, where we will eat, it ’s all spread out, there we sleep in one place, eat in another, the toilet is in a third, that is, it’s all spread out to each other does not interfere and is more convenient, we continue the conversation about the new russian orbital service station ros with oleg artemyev. this is the most ambitious , largest project that russia has, and what other projects do we have, well, just off the top of my head, this is the sphere, spectrum, sphere - this is a satellite constellation, that is, it is so, well, one might say, so semi-fantastic for it seems to be for our conditions, but in fact our industry is already fully

included in this program. in this project, we need our own independent satellite constellation, we need communications, so we have our own location, our own system that will allow, it, by the way, it will displace our mobile communications , that is, cellular communications, it is designed so that we have constant communication in any corner of the world, well, first of all , of course, in our country, and then, of course, in any part of our globe, and that myself? represents, that is, of course we have geostationary satellites, and glanas, and they fly in geostationary orbits of 36,000 km, and these will be lower, there will be more satellites, the signal will be better, it is clear, yes , that the geostationary is hanging over one point, but that’s all, but still yes, that is, due to the fact that it’s a bit far away, the signal is not always stable, it’s closer to the ground, of course, the place

... which it will fly over, it will be smaller there, but due to the fact that there are more satellites , they will transmit this to each other, communication will be more stable, also the sphere is like it’s not only the same satellites, it ’s many satellites, different satellites, project sphere, project sphere, yes project sphere, and i think that this is one of such ambitious projects, how can you compare with ros, well...

as if speaking about the satellites of the sphere, he grew up like since it is now being developed to repair satellites directly in space, satellites like any other. the mechanism can break down, fail, then you can improve it, for example, change its filling to a more modern one, so they want to learn how to catch satellites and deliver the station to russia, the cosmonauts will be engaged in repair and restoration work and launch it back, and that’s it an old dream, in fact, that is, there will be a special platform, yes, yes, this is an old dream and mine too, you just mentioned the department non-ship operations, where i worked, this has been since... 25 years ago, they still dreamed that we would have a dock outside at the station, where we would catch satellites, install them, repair them, then tow them back to their orbits, not i completely understand how we will catch them, well, there will be a tug

, we have a tug project, this tug will little by little pick up, bring, that is, we are not saying, the tug will be near the station, but it will be at the station or docked, and well, those delivery ships that fuel will be delivered. where they installed the same platform, uh , in order to dock a satellite - to go into outer space either with an astronaut or with the help of a manipulator, because one of the things that we will have at ross is robotic, that is, there will be manipulators

that we will have help in experiments , in repairs, just to repair satellites and replace them, that is, one of the tasks of ros is testing, testing the equipment that can then be... launched into space after we it was tested on dew, that is, it is like a testing laboratory, the dew station will be connected to russian unions, unions, no, in my opinion, unions are not provided for now, although i think that maybe at first, but in any case we are building our new ship, and ptknp, eagle, now the extreme name was eagle, well, maybe. this is how it will remain, for now , while the docking ports that exist now are intended specifically for the ship - this new generation of the eagle, there is no such possibility for alliances yet, but then the unions go together with the iss, everything can be

, but the unions will remain on the iss and i think that, well, in any case there will be a crossover, right, that is, the iss will not be flooded for at least a year, i think, i think, longer, i think bye. ross and the iss? yes, no, i’m kind of sure, as it should be, that we first have to get a new station up and running, that it will definitely work, that it will definitely fly. also speaking about ros, there are very great opportunities, this is our northern, yes, northern sea route , a sea route that we are developing on on the ground, new icebreakers are being built, they have already been laid down, and this shortens the routes, logistics, and it will be possible to control it from the station.

if on any ship of our northern fleet - that is, you can quickly even film and quickly film it, yes, that is, well , yes, observing the ecology of the fauna there, counting bears can work out well then, i think it really is necessary to somehow say a maximum of six people to there were six people at the station, it ’s unlikely there will probably be because she seems to assume that the first crew will be there i think two people each. well, i think that this will all depend on how well, well, on the ship that will fly there, i think there will still be four people, so we talked about what will happen in the next 5-10 years,

we looked a little into the future, this is what you think a person will do in 50 years in space, i think that you can even think about terraforming, this is to dream, that is, we have two objects for terraforming: venus and mars , tourism formation, that is, making the planet suitable for human life, i in general supporter, first of all, don’t start from mars, from venus, you would fly away to live on... me, not not to live, but how to make sure that it is transformed and becomes a backup planet for the earth, i think it’s possible, first there will be some dereships in which the first generations will live there, then lower and lower as they are processed, then some powerful machines that will further process the atmosphere, i hope that maybe, well, 50 years, maybe this is a short period. but suddenly? oleg, today we talked about the present and

the future of the space industry, and once again became convinced that russia, as it was, is, will be the greatest space power. exactly. today my friend, pilot, cosmonaut, hero of russia, oleg artemyev, visited me. it was a podcast of space stories and me, anton shkaplerov. once i offered my students such a task, gave them a text and asked them to determine its main feature. some said that the text was too short and uninformative, others , on the contrary, that it was too long, but they were all wrong. the main feature was that this text was not written by a person, but by a computer program. hello, today we are gathering our thoughts about artificial intelligence. harutyun oshkhanovich avitesyan, academician of the russian academy of sciences

, director of the institute of system programming , protereus, pavel velikanov, associate professor of the moscow theological academy, i am vladimir ligoida, you know, as a pre-question, just like a warm-up, i want to ask you this, what would you call today the main horror story about artificial intelligence, which has nothing to do with reality, but what is it really causing you anxiety? there are a lot of firmwares, but globally , my opinion is that it is very important that our society and we understand that we are still dealing with advanced it technologies, and not artificial intelligence in the real sense of the word, but the horror stories concern basically, films are being made on this topic, mainly about the fact that artificial intelligence will get out of control, that it will become more powerful than man himself, and it seems to me that here it is very important to determine this watershed, what it is in basically different worlds. and there is no need to be afraid of this in this sense,

while the accelerated implementation of any technology, including artificial intelligence, which gives a significant increase in labor productivity, i will say this, sometimes by tens of percent, sometimes on an orderly basis, without control, mechanisms, technologies, verification on trust, but on security in a broader sense, of course, this is very, very dangerous, and sometimes they even scare me. here is public opinion, they poll public opinion and are proud that 70-80% of the population is ours believes that artificial intelligence is not scary, it’s normal, because generally speaking, you should be a little afraid of it, in this sense, let’s discuss the details, what the clergy will say, i think that it is one of the most dangerous horror stories that are very attractive for most people, the fact is that artificial intelligence will imperceptibly replace a person and thereby make him meaningless.

questions to these two interlocutors and must use their answers to determine which of them is a machine, which of them is a man. in my opinion, tyurin said that if more than seventy answers are accepted as human in five or 10 minutes, then it means it’s a person, it seems like i read that not a single machine has passed this test so far, then,

as i understand it, they became controversial and so on, this doesn’t pose a question to your definition, skanovich, that after all, it’s definitely not... you understand what’s the matter, technology isn’t designed that way, if uh, i don’t know, your diesel engine is very well made looks good like i don't know, some other super engine, that doesn't mean it's ceased to be diesel, yes, here is exactly the same situation, while strong artificial intelligence, in this sense , from my point of view, is very far away, although there are enthusiasts who believe that in the next few years, maximum 10 years, it will be created , from my point of view, this will not happen in my lifetime, if it happens. will even happen, this is a separate discussion, it needs to be discussed separately, because it is generally accepted in the world, by the way, this confirms my words that the international community is so believes that the subjectivity of artificial intelligence is not discussed anywhere, this means that after all, everyone treats this as complex, but technologies, from this position, we need to consider it, so if

such technologies appear, i, as a person who deals with this, i’ll see this, doubts will begin to appear, i’ll share, but for now i have no doubts, and i don’t have any doubts now, that’s all. in this sense, of course, we all know that in many places it is very pragmatic to use this, because it was once correctly formulated that, well , i don’t know, there is a manager, a doctor, any person with artificial intelligence, who will simply replace a doctor, for example, this is possible because his abilities, as it were, increase, writing texts, for example. that is, what i mean is that there is no need to be tempted because of this, that this is something so incredible, when i was listening to you, i also thought that when we look at a driverless car, but it’s the same does not mean that he that the program controls the same as a person, but it’s completely different principle, what is called driving , you know, this is a very good topic here, driverless cars don’t really

exist, but the fact is that when elon musk, for example, was asked, what did he say, i have an assistant, that is, there is a lot of experiments.