brothers and sisters, on weekends, when we get together, if there is still any, they will definitely take it and share it with us, so - this is also an unforgettable taste of ice cream, i eat a little ice cream on the ground, but there i remember exactly what i want i really wanted it, i don’t know why, maybe because there is so little of this particular cold food, but the ice cream somehow removed it, i don’t know the thirst, and in general, it’s usually a little hotter at the station than i wanted, so i want ice cream, well, i know for sure. .. that alcohol is prohibited, and since we talked about chocolate, here's the last flight, my family gave me a box of chocolates for the new year, and it was written right there, there was a whole package, open it on december 31st, on december 31st i opened the package, saw chocolate, i thought strangely, maybe my wife gave it for my colleagues to treat them, but then when we contacted her literally there a few hours before the new year, she said: well, basically... you have a bonus today,

we gave you candies, in which each of them contains some kind of... then alcohol, i don't know why they missed it, but maybe they trusted me as an experienced cosmonaut, and i celebrated the new year with alcohol, even if it was a small piece of candy, i had a couple of drops of alcohol, but it was, but it was still nice to care, but it was just nice, i don’t know , more of course, morally, somehow you ’re there, there was just a video conference and the family was sitting at the table with our relatives, friends, and not... we were celebrating the new year at home, they were with glasses of champagne, and i was with these glasses from chocolate, it's always nice this care, and in general chocolate is delivered without any problems, of course , chocolate is stored for a long time, you yourself have tried the cosmic one, yes of course, but how do you do it, where do you get it from, is it expired or something, no, of course it’s not expired , well , food rations are specially delivered to us so that we train astronauts for the exam.

training, for practical classes, astronauts, what are you teaching us there, well, don’t eat, don’t eat, of course not, heat food properly, yes, how correctly identify a food product, but about that block, the heating distribution block that supplies water to the sublimates, it’s not just a block, not just a kettle with hot water, it’s a whole system, yes, you can get confused there, or forget to close it, yes- yes, yes, then there is such a bubble of hot water, oh, where to put it?

this is only a small part of the general life support systems, this system from which water is supplied to the sublimate is a system for regenerating water from atmospheric moisture condensate, we also teach it to work, that is, all the water that enters the sublimate is hot the sublimate with which you prepare these sublimates is water, which was actually obtained due to the fact that a person is on board, it is simply added, well , ideally it would be just so that only this water would be there if there was enough of it, but as i understand it, for ordinary people. can i buy this food too? yes, of course, but where are these stalls? stalls? yes, well, we have a comic supermarket in our training center? we definitely have such a stall in the cosmonaut training center in the building of the second directorate, we remember in the cosmonaut training center, star town, they wrote it down, yes, so if people come to us on an excursion, then they can purchase these products, and the berilevsky plant also has its own online store, that is, in fact , anyone can buy it as a gift - or for themselves.

these french fries, that is, they treated me to it, i tried it a little, then this is just a mockery, well, as i understand it, people buy this tube of vodka, and there is also a tube of pickled cucumber, probably there is radio entertainment with friends they tried something on a spoon, they squeezed it out, and that’s it, that’s exactly what you can buy, yes, but there you can buy real space stuff, that it’s a prop, we certainly don’t...

the taste of what’s on board the iss is our space food. anna, how do you see a person, what will he do in space in 50 years? well, let's hope that in 50 years we will definitely leave our solar system. i don’t mean all the inhabitants of planet

earth, but at least the cosmonauts, astronauts, i think that they should go there little by little, although i would like to get somewhere beyond the pluto. well, the main question is, why? we haven't answered this question yet. why now is this such a figurative answer for the development of science, but when we understand exactly why, when we discover on some planet some interesting substance, not mars, then, well, i think what’s next, it seems to me that, well this is my purely personal opinion, that it will still be necessary to delve a little further into it, yes, when we answer the question, why, then we will have this development of science, and the development of astronautics and everything, but so far we are flying around... our earth not at all at a great distance, but at the same time we have science every day, about space, yes, but science is moving forward every day, and this is now important, valuable, that’s why it’s so important to do what you’re doing now, to popularize astronautics, so that in the future there will be more engineers, more people who are interested in astronautics,

as in the meaning of life, okay, thank you, my guest was anna toshcheva, an employee of the cosmonaut training center , specialist in to space nutrition, i'm anton shkaplya. it was a space stories podcast; you can watch all episodes of the podcast lab project on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. an old joke says that science is a way to satisfy one's curiosity at the expense of the state. hello, today we have gathered our thoughts about science and how to get young people involved in science. nikita yurievich anisimov, rector of the higher school of economics, egor borisevich prokharchuk, dean of the medical and biological

faculty of the russian national research medical university. i said it out. hello, i'm vladimir, we 're starting. dear friends, i want to ask you to do this as a warm-up. history , but to reflect a little on this very joke, how applicable the famous one is to it, that in every joke there is a grain of truth or a grain of joke, i don’t know how to say it right now, because it’s possible that science - this is a way to satisfy your curiosity at the expense of the state, well , a great joke, i think that this is partly true, i think that in general any person should be interested, searching, and from a janitor to, well, let’s say to... scientists , another thing is that not everyone will follow this path, it’s a very difficult path, it’s not necessary for everyone to be scientists , this is a special way of life, on the one hand , on the other hand, fundamental science and applied science are also slightly different things, one thing is you open the curtain of the unknown, and in such

a black abyss, you shine a beam on a projector, what is in this abyss, and another case you combine from what is known, well, some... your citizens, so on the one hand these are jokes, on the other hand this is reality, because the state in relations with citizens uses them and the effectiveness of fundamental science, because about maxve , too, has not been canceled by anyone and its effectiveness of investments in fundamental science, well, in

the applied part of the state, ordering an applied result, of course receives very specific results from this curiosity and interests of citizens, by capitalizing them i am significantly capitalizing... indeed wanted to talk about how to attract, but - again, it is generally known that in order to answer the question how, you need to answer the question why, yes, but how for a young man who is thinking about what... to do in life , so he’s interested, and then curious, and then, here’s what to tell him about the world of science, why, what is this world like, why should a person engage in science, so that he gets carried away and at the same time understands whether it’s his or not, what could be the approach here? approach about errors, what is the standard approach when you you try to do this, this, fifth, tenth , in childhood, in youth, maybe yes, the sooner you understand who you want to become, and what you can do, what the main thing brings you... pleasure in life, the better , but i know, there is such a singer of our state, in general a statesman,

aleksandrevich prokhanov, he graduated from mine , in my opinion, yes, he went to work in the box, it would seem that he is a statesman, he feels the state, he works in the box and he left there, as i remember, because it simply turned out not to be his, he could not be in this routine, there you come at 8 to sign, leave at 6 to sign, this is quite complex, well, a different structure. understand that people don’t go into science for the money, that’s for sure, absolutely, well , you don’t need a lot of money and you need to further understand whether this knowledge gives you interest, and your soul resonates with what you do something first, new, that you are different from... others, this is a very painful process, you don’t sleep at night, you think about it, well,

basically around the clock, you can’t eat sometimes, you become for the family, if you are in love with science, in this matter, yes, then this is a difficult test, well, yes, for relatives, for friends, this is a test, you kind of live in it all, on the one hand, you you can, you know, on the other hand, you are going there in some kind of junk car or on the subway, but at the same time... in return for this you are doing something that all 7 billion inhabitants of the earth have, that is, the result, some result, you study something that all 7 billion have, you find something that all 7 billion still have they didn’t know, you’ve already known for 15 minutes, but they don’t and maybe won’t find out in the near future, this is a special kind of people, well, that’s what i would say , here’s a question for you in this case as a rector, yes, that’s what i’m talking about now yegor borich said, this is, well, relatively speaking, the philosophy of science, the life of a scientist, and so on, this is how to weave it in, so to speak? the educational process into the fabric, how to convey this to students, this is only informal communication, well, that

is, let’s say, to those students who think, go to graduate school, don’t go, start take this path when you don’t sleep at night, don’t stand, that’s how it fits in with the tasks of the rector’s office there, for example, there is such a very good principle, namely, if you ask me as a rector, smart people shouldn’t be disturbed, that’s our task as managers at the university. in academic institutions during the formation of a young scientist, do not turn him away, realizing that it is possible that it was during this period that he started a family, he had a child, he needed additional funds, he received some invitation to business, your humble servant also received an invitation to business, starting work in the modest management system of one of the best universities in the nineties and chose, therefore.

it seems to me that after all, we have overcome this period when the profession of a scientist and the profession of a teacher, i say as the grandson of school teachers, were half forgotten, i remember how they bowed to my grandfather, the school teacher, in the village when we walked out of the village, having typed mushrooms, and this was not determined by how much he was, how it was a cultural code, and his relationship with

people, now we see the relationship between our students and... the university, our scientists at the university, and how the guys in international-class laboratories communicate, are interested, how they get involved, no, it seems to me that we are in this period of formation of the value and significance of the research profession we have passed through the scientist, yegor boevich, we found a time when there were no reagents, when there was no equipment, yes, but what motivates a person in such a situation, well, firstly, they still seem to be missing. by and large, what can i say, to be honest, well, at least in the science that i do, there are practically none of them, yes, that is, unfortunately, our country here does not produce reagents for the science that i do, in fact for all of molecular biology, biotechnology , this is a big problem with devices, also a big problem and it certainly needs to be solved, if

we talk about the cultural code, then of course, well , i would not entirely agree, it has certainly changed, it has changed, in general, from creation to consumption, scientist, he is certainly a creator such, he is such an ascetic in the world, a monk in the world , by and large, and this is not only in russia, in america, well, in general, white americans are not very willing to go into science, of course, in america it is not super prestigious history, just now evgeniy ivanovich ragaev and i were talking, a full professor. he can’t, even if he works everywhere , everyone pays him, in my opinion, 200,000 dollars, that sounds like a lot per year, yes, it sounds very proud, but, for example, education at mit, that’s where one of his relatives should have to enroll, it costs 80,000 a year, yes, plus insurance, plus housing, that is, come on , tugriks, they need

to be counted relatively, so there is no 2000 a year, and then, if you are some kind of aspiring lawyer, you will million. therefore, and this is a full professor , so that you can become a full professor, you understand, you still have to, wow, how long to live, yes, there were times when there were no reagents at all, i remember that when i was a graduate student, it was ninety-two , ninety-third year, well, dad had a car, i drove, taxied, then i bought some enzymes with this money, yes, my parents were given some money, it was such a very difficult time, but since there was no one there, everyone left. then they told me, well, do you want to be the head of the laboratory , i’m a graduate student, well, that’s it, there’s nothing there, please, the head of the laboratory is no problem, but empty, half-empty institutes, which means that this is certainly not the same story now, progress, progress, certainly significant progress, well, this scientific atmosphere, the scientific intensity of everything, it’s like

the number of groups interacting between ourselves, there are problems here, yes, there are problems here on the one hand, but also... the world doesn’t really seem to crave us, that’s also another next story, getting into outstanding magazines there, is it good to publish in the best magazines, is it possible whether to publish in them, this is a publication race publish o die, publish or die, there are a lot of issues here that need to be definitely regulated, but i agree with my dear colleague that there is certainly progress, i don’t think it can... say that everything is fine, but there is certainly progress if you i like to gather thoughts with us, you can find all the episodes of our podcast on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru, be sure to watch, in the fifth grade i watched all the episodes of the police academy, let's give our hands up and decided how cool, i want like them, yes i just

i was coming back from my shift, i said hands, on an errand. program time, i came to the soviet union,

what will you say when you find yourself in front of it? my father, he was russian, knew his name by heart, poet, pushkin, guns, i didn’t think that i would leave my wife, 37 years old after all together, you fell in love, very much, the first wish is that all my loved ones, my grandchildren, my great-grandson, that they are healthy, then they will all show it on television, my reputation is just the opposite... it will increase, it will increase greatly, that’s what i wanted to say , to the ninetieth birthday of vladimir posner, premiere , tomorrow at the first, calmly, comrade, we are coming to

you, professor, this is the matter, interrupted, interrupted, you can say what comes to their mind, whatever you want, something you you are painfully oppressing me, daddy, what kind of daddy i am to you, my god, i’m only now beginning to understand, what can come out of our ball? and now they understand what kind of shining nonsense this is, why, i go around people, well, i was married, i don’t care, azina, innocent girl, it’s good that i woke up, take everything and divide it, that’s what i thought, the famous film adaptation of the story heart of a dog on saturday on the first, he is still dancing, dancing. and today we gathered our thoughts on the topic of science and education, egor prokharchuk, nikita anisimov, i’m vladimir ligoido, we continue, several times nikitai emphasized that there is a profession of a scientist,

just so that i understand, but it’s a profession scientist, here i am as a teacher of cultural studies, i don’t want to call myself a cultural scientist there, but i don’t actually do science as such, but i’ve been teaching for quite a long time, i understand that it appears late, yes, the profession of a scientist, and let’s say, newton, he didn’t was a scientist by profession. yes, he was a government official, he was involved in some kind of finance, something else, yes, but the profession of a scientist appears a few centuries later, you know, like with philosophers, we say, there is a professional philosopher, yes, but its difference is something of the same socrates there, or plato, i don’t know, that for these people life is about studying, yes, they were one thing, here, so to speak, an academic philosopher came, said something like that, and then went on there, i don’t know, to study there with their own affairs , this is the gap, science has lost its...

reorientation, because well, now there is a race for talent, and not only with salaries, but also with conditions such as the implicit presence of certain limitations

on opportunities, and a scientist needs freedom , we can attract or repel, therefore, of course, in addition to institutional decisions , which i very carefully spoke about, investing funds and creating projects, yeah, it’s very important to pay attention to each person, his needs and, by the way, the needs of his family, yeah, because a scientist doesn’t always make certain decisions about his future, only relying on his everyday experience, but on the everyday experience of his family, especially a young scientist, many such interesting turns immediately open up, yes, but since i have already stated that we will talk about how to attract young people, look , let’s say there are areas, well, sports, for example, where it’s clear, yes, you want to do figure skating, well, how old are you? 12, goodbye, there’s ballet, yes, why didn’t you come 5 years ago, that’s for... in is there something similar in science or is there a fundamentally different story here and you can become a scientist quite late, it has already been said in part that you should try the method of making mistakes at school, but here is

a similar kind of pattern.

let's see how the dynamics are, one will come for 30 years, he will have amazing dynamics, he is there, well, there are such cases, for example, when true, the scientist moves from one field to another, yes, yes, this is understandable, he is sergei sergeevich kharuzhiy, who was a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, and he began to study philosophical, there religious and philosophical issues, achieved, so to speak, a lot, apparently, in general, brains, if they are designed for some kind of analysis, systematization, on the other hand, there are unconditional

hysteresis, that from there...

to help as much as possible that same student , yes, about whom you are talking with such love today, so that he, well, so that he's already got his bearings, yes, what if it's his, then it is necessary that by this time or even earlier, here are the first tests, as early as possible, because it is inherent in a person, and if you slowly reveal what is inherent, he can be not only a scientist, his vocation is a pilot, that too vocation, therefore, than... school, directions and specialties that we previously try, so there is a profile in universities, it’s all about a person’s ability to gradually reveal himself and the very vocation that we are talking about today, the vocation that is in in any in any case, whether it is related to science or not, the worst thing is to disappoint, to disappoint a person who is already young, strong, actually established, here he is, if he

runs into the wall... no, well, you just see here, it was also said here, it’s clear that i don’t know what it is, the formula for happiness, yes, when you do what you love, you get it, but for me, for example, look, i had to work in another area, but i was in...

it’s like a laboratory, they, and i say, it’s amazing, here’s a man, they say, he doesn’t know anything, he has nothing, i say, you need to give him a chance, let's see, but another week goes by, some more money went into the trash for the reagents, no, we need to give the person a chance, i say, and they say, well , it's impossible, he's taking up time, something else, here, i internally believe that it is necessary to bring a situation where the person himself says, you know, enough is enough, yes, i am, as it were, enough.

next to, well, in general, not only in science, but it can be good when a person himself understands, when it’s a wildly wild disease, well , the thing is that in our field, if you, well as if ineffective, if you do work there that is uninteresting for the scientific community, then either you are a genius who is simply ahead of time by well a decade, yes, that is, you are doing work that is incomprehensible to others , it cannot be assessed, each of us found ourselves in such a situation, one way or another. here - but in general , the work that you do can be appreciated by your colleagues, the professional community, and if there is no interest in your work at all, then you simply won’t have money, because understand, you’re talking about the profession of a scientist ,

well, that’s the way it works in our world, that you don’t have a fixed salary, you live - well, from grant to grant, i really love carpenters, i do carpentry myself, but as you know.

it won’t be that if a person screws up an experiment, everyone will know that he screwed it up. you can find all podcasts of the podcastlab project on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. nikita yurievich anisimov, egor borisovich prokharchuk, vladimir ligoyda and i gathered our thoughts on the topic of science and education. let's continue. popularization of science, how important it is today, how it should be followed trajectories? yes, we have a knowledge society there, yes, it has appeared. which means that she is trying to do just that, education, but also natural science, but we have absolutely wonderful people, there is a mathematician savateev, tatyana vladimirovna chernigovskaya, a neurophysiologist, yes, these are theirs, their

speeches, lectures they collect a huge number of views and so on, is it more about science or is it more about, so to speak, the broad masses and about, so to speak, well, some kind of maintaining the level and prestige of science in that number, that's what's here? the value of all this, and is it necessary, how to develop it? i have a lot of questions at once, you know, firstly, well, of course, there are passionaries who, being scientists, can popularize. on the other hand, there are people who know how to do popularization professionally, and it’s better if it’s an interdisciplinary team, because then it seems to me that we’ll get to results faster, and so what, i head the moscow knowledge society and i understand, that the task of this knowledge society is now much more complex, the volume such information... that separating information

that is worth showing from that which is not worth it, because it is in some ways anti-scientific, is a separate task, and of course, we are grateful to those who, being scientists, find time besides this in order to get up in the morning and study science until late at night , they also talk about the profession, so much so that people still want to continue to engage in this profession, but this is still a person’s passionarity, i can’t say what it is now. existing profession, popularizer of science, yeah, i don’t know such a profession, but it’s needed, we need those who popularize science? well, the problem is that now society has come to the point where it has to resolve a lot of ethical issues related to new technologies, yeah, yes , this is it, i have it here, this concerns, well, biotechnology, this concerns artificial intelligence, when will you start talking to society and asking them, what about society? do you think about

human cloning, about genome editing, about the use of artificial intelligence , about using smartphone data for medical records, there are a lot, a lot of others, then to all these questions, society, but we don’t understand anything, we don’t know anything about it, we don’t understand how editing differs genome sequencing, these words are not familiar to us, yes, we do not understand what artificial intelligence is, how it... differs from a quadratic equation, we do not understand how personal data from a smartphone differs from a medical record, when you join society, and it could be, well, those people who pass laws, politicians, yes, there are probably journalists, well, well, in general, who, who is this society, which, in general, even such people, opinion polls are conducted , there, you go during the day, the sun revolves around.

i can say that i was involved in the popularization of certain knowledge, not so that the rulers could make a decision on the basis of, well, sort it out into little pieces, say, this is the situation with these cells, with vaccines, please make a decision . probably, of course, it will not be entirely true

, with the fact that this is a very serious question, yes, if these decisions are made there or dictated by the scientists themselves, yes, that is , the formulation of the question is accepted, but on the one hand, on the other hand, or there with on any side, i roughly understand how much i have not been educated, yes, but if we talk about some bio problems related to genetics, if yegor borishich wants to fool me, he will always fool me and that i will ultimately agree, and ?

who really needs scientific assessment, and we immediately started talking about it calmly, although this is also a very serious science, so maybe it’s the cost of the device? which is needed, that is , in fact, the value of social sciences should not be underestimated, it seems to me that our conversation is an example of what you need to be able to listen to scientists who are engaged in the humanities, social sciences, here is research, for example, in the field of history and high-quality historical science is much more important than our ideas about history formed on

the basis of some personal experience, absolutely true, i categorically agree, and there are a lot of such examples, moreover... now there is a junction between the humanities and natural sciences, this is a separate story, but of course, when you start in the same story, from a certain myth that exists there in your family , you are certainly under the influence of this myth, and there are many such examples, there are stalinist myths, there are anti-stalinist myths, they are all myths, but the numbers speak there and the documents speak from others, but we haven’t gone that far from that yet time, still alive there are children there, grandson.

science, i, of course, enjoy listening to everything that has just been said by my respected colleagues, but you know, for some reason i now have in my head the phrase interrupted flight, because we need, we need to finish, and you see how the lively conversation has gone, maybe , not even entirely on the topics that i expected, but i was very interested, i know, i want to ask you, this in no way follows from the

conversation that we had, but it is still connected with my original idea, i'm just very interested it’s clear that one of the forms is... imagine that you have to make a decision, or just yes, if there was an opportunity, or if you were asked, what kind of scientist do you think would be great to make a film about, yes, a good film that will help us, so to speak, including solving the problems we talked about today, that’s what your answer would be, well, i graduated from lomanosov university, i’m promonosov. about lomanosov, remember, there was a wonderful film by mikhail lomanosov, which, by the way, i say every time i watched it three times, and even, in my opinion, having graduated from graduate school, i wanted to get up and go somewhere, so to speak, on foot, so to speak, i really didn’t understand where, because i was already, so to speak , but we didn’t feel enough about him as a scientist from there, just to

popularize science, you said, i would like lomanosov to become a scientist, thank you, yegor barievich, and i would make a film about myself, well, that is. i would kind of make a wonderful, wonderful movie out of this, that means, because about others i don’t know much about scientists, i don’t know much , yes, that is, it would be difficult for me to show these gears that affect their destiny, their lives, their decisions, but i have a lot of interesting stories, this is an honest answer, maybe based on the results of our conversation, it will work out.