there is a whole complex of events, it’s not just the ceremony itself, and there’s a whole series of different events, shows, meetings with the press, with the public, and so on and so forth, it doesn’t last one day, it’s about an event, festive events last about 2 weeks, it’s amazing, it’s so permanent, this is john laseter, of this pixar studio, that is, with us, with us, people who are not initiated into all this are close, they have the feeling that this is just a ceremony, everything, the ceremony is the apotheos of all this professional . holiday, so this great, it's true, it makes sense to visit, you're lucky, yes, it's true, i'm lucky, well , in principle, as if in the best examples of soviet animation, very often there are no words, there is not a single dialogue here, except in english, there is where well, this is such a classic animated pantamime, acting animation, when the dialogue here also wanted to say colleagues, and i was not mistaken, truly colleagues, at least in the situation that we are children... of the whole universe,

then we are colleagues, of course, this is the correct approach, colleagues, i have a feeling that i never thought about this either, this is a way of telling a story, i didn’t choose it, for some reason from the very first film i began to tell stories without words, i treat words in cinema with great caution, i have great respect for the profession of a director, in a word , especially behind the scenes or in dialogue and in animation, you can tell anything you want, and if words come to the director’s aid in explaining something, it turns out that the director is not coping with his task, i am a student of chaplin, he for me the first cartoonist, for me animation is music and sign language, it's pantomimes, right, yes, how long does it take to create such a masterpiece? everything is different for everyone, the conditional average production regulations exist, after all, cinema is a deadline, this production is expensive, deadlines are inevitable. directors are not free here and

it’s good, otherwise they would never finish the film, the average time limit for a ten-minute film is a year and a half, my film is literally not 5 minutes more, 15 minutes, both one and the other about astronauts, and but i have for each 4 of them were spent on the first from a year to a year, the second four, i’m a very slow slow-witted person, it takes me a long time to make it, it didn’t stick together for a long time, it seems like everything came together on the screen, we were working on the script , well... in general, the script, although there is such a professional term an animatic that has already come to life in time; a storyboard with rough sound, that is, on the one hand you continue to work on the script, constructing these situations, on the other hand you are already working on the film, this is the skeleton of the film, it has already been drawn, who? i drew it myself, but not everything, animation, then the studio drew, that's when i drew the animatic for 3 years, everything also needs to be drawn there, i did it all myself, well, for example, remember there, there is an episode of lunches in the canteen, so they eat and have fun there

, so to speak, this one they play with a baby, for a long time i could not find a place for him in history, but why? because at the beginning of the film before breakfast was going on, and you understand, i kept catching myself feeling that what the hell is this going to happen, they had breakfast and immediately there were shots of them spinning in a centrifuge, and i understand, yes, that’s it you see, you laugh, and you understand why, yes, i understand that the viewer will have, in principle, a bad, unnecessary feeling of physical trouble. how is it after breakfast, yes, then then, finally, it sounds so simple now, after a long time of searching for this place, i found that it would not be breakfast, but dinner, then everything fell into place, they have breakfast, linger , they are being urged on, guys, it’s time to go to bed, and there they still have time to jump on the beds, but in general, like in the author’s animation, which in general is, well the antipode of commercial animation, because in commercial animation everything is strictly according to plan.

this is an ironclad script, in fact, as it was in the soviet years and so on, how directing works in original animation, how the search for a plot occurs, that’s why in one of the passages that we ’ll look at now, this very turning point is happening in your film from everyday action, when the heroes simply jump on the bed, at some point they all turn into a metaphor, and with each jump they get closer to space, as you found here is this visual answer to the question: how does a sincere person change at some moments in his life? well, stanislav, commercial animation has nothing to do with it at all , but for me personally, this is what i mean there , i once did alyosha popovich , including as a director, i have the same approach to all work, i treat commercial cinema as a big , as for an auteur film, the task is exactly the same, i turn on 200%, it can’t be otherwise...

by the way, chaplin again, i took this from him, this is an endless balance all the time, step here, step here, as in life, at the station, there are funny things, anton, well, of course, without humor it’s hard to be in the same space with the same people for six months or more, so of course, humor is generally welcome, no matter what in his language, we always welcome jokes, and just stories, or to make fun of someone, so... of course, but please tell me, now i’m the presenter, and please tell me, anton, was there any practice in space travel, what happens to an astronaut without a sense of humor, and is this checked, well whether it is checked or not, i can’t say, but in

any case, from the stage of selection for the cosmonaut corps, then preparations directly for the flight take place against the background of psychological selection, that is, psychologists work all the time, i think, if... such a 100% introvert, who he’s not kidding, he wouldn’t have gotten into the cosmos squad at all, they would have figured it out right away, there are people who don’t talk that much, for example, as i personally won’t blab, but you can always find a topic with him in which he’ll start laughing, so when you see this person laughing, you doubly funnier, because you never in your life, well, for example, there for several days you don’t hear him laugh, here we gathered at the same table in the evening, we told some joke, and it’s his joke, or he brought it himself, this an anecdote when you see a person who is always at least serious , such a real colonel, a military man, it doesn’t matter even if it’s ours or ours, and he suddenly said something so funny, maybe even to me it’s not very funny, but how he behaves , he laughs, it’s already funny, so it’s definitely impossible without humor, so we’re trying he may even joke once again, well

, in a kind way, of course, in order to somehow cheer up the crew, in order to further relieve the workload, maybe or relax this state of tension all the time, because you are working with the ground all the time, roughly speaking, you are under a hood, this is one day, two, a month, there are 3 months, six months you live in such a rhythm, of course you need to relax, we continue our podcast about space stories, with you the history of cinema stanislav dizdinsky, cosmonaut anton shkaplerov our guest konstantin bronzit. we have one more fragment from the cartoon, we cannot live without space, i wanted to ask while they are showing it to us, are these characters similar to those you have met?

it is believed that since you are a military man, we necessarily behave somehow more carefully, well, this is the army, after all, you are an officer, but there are moments when they don’t see us, or if you get to know us better, we have the same humor, maybe even more than the one who always behaves so relaxed, with a smile, but in life maybe, when not on display, he behaves completely differently, so i think here some two military men who, if necessary, carry out everything strictly, well, in moments when... relax, they can play like children, like in the canteen, this is interesting, because an adult, he understands the selection system and then i thought, maybe the astronaut, understanding what kind of competition he is participating in, the qualifying competition, imitate humor, so to speak, play something, yes, well, in order to pass,

this is possible, well, theoretically, i think, yes, psychologists are possible, if you get to know them, you can still play along with the tests they give, but then there is a long process, here i am... they were preparing, it was their same dream, maybe from childhood, to fly, but they never flew, sad story, listen, this is some kind of lifelong trauma, just in my opinion, yes, some of them ended very badly later, so we came together on the same day, but years pass there, but 20

years passed for me there, four long flights, the commander, well , that’s it, people recognize me, but this man, he’s with me everything passed, it seems to me, it was no worse than me, he was also physically and mentally, i also took tests. but for some reason i didn’t get in, the reason is unknown, well, there are many of them, they are different, including medicine, psychology, personal problems, there are some problems, i was just unlucky, i got into the program. which was closed there , a dead end, he was transferred to another program, it is closed again, time passes, a person grows up, health, naturally, is not acquired every year, and the person leaves, i know him, there are 12 of us, only seven flew from my set, that is, five they never flew off for various reasons, as you are describing now, this is directly the theme of the second film that we are talking about today, he cannot live without space, yes, yes, because you said, someone dreamed of it from childhood, prepared for this, like our hero from the second film of konstantin. how the idea of ​​this film was born years later, because at some moments,

well, to be honest, i was even creepy when i watched it, it seemed like such a horror, and especially in this scene of the main character’s nightmare, when the house is pulling him like an umbilical cord back, he just can’t tear himself away, and in general, of course, my film much more dramatic, despite the outward simplicity of the picture, it is much more complex in themes, even more questions in the second, how he eats, how he does it in general. well, yes, there is a cake in front of him, but what will he do with it? well, this is a metaphor, we are directors, we are artists, sometimes we get around so freely, i won’t show you, it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter, the film is about something else, this is the story with the swing when you are sunny. does he do it all consciously , too, well, of course consciously, colleagues, well,

there’s no such thing as a director being sane unconsciously by accident, everything is conscious, as yuri borisevich narshtin says, some kind of divine mistake may happen, something is wrong, some kind of failure, but still leave this failure or change this conscious decision, all the same, of course, here it, here it is, yes, how will he eat it, well , it’s a pity how he eats, how he doesn’t try to breathe, i spent so much time in a spacesuit, i’m crazy, and how much maximum time can be in a spacesuit depends on the spacesuit, this more like a spacesuit we're going out into outer space, but i went out and this is a record, well, it’s still 8 hours, i think 13 minutes, wow, this is in outer space, we’ll add an hour there, well, somewhere around 10 hours, sorry, it’s in diapers, in principle, we put them on, but we don’t walk, 10 hours is enough, you can be patient and... somehow, by the way, there was no such thought, well, i don’t know, everything was fine,

the spacesuit in which we are in the spaceship, but it’s already there with food, with airflow, you can sit there longer, yes, but still i definitely couldn’t stand it for a day without opening it much, but why? the spacesuit in the spacecraft itself, rumors of depressurization and so on, we had a moment when we launched a crew of three people, but since the descent... the apparatus was the one that had previously been for one spacesuit, we were able to fit three chairs, but at the same time, we had to fly without spacesuits, the first crew flew without spacesuits normally in tracksuits, the second crew when returning was sized, we lost the volunteer volkov patsayev, after that everything was taboo, no matter how we designed the ship, what would have been race, everyone flies in a spacesuit, whether here or abroad, and there are probably children’s spacesuits somewhere in the store, but... i haven’t seen it yet, we haven’t sent children yet, but there is such an idea, but in general, children will someday

be sent into space, step by step we are getting closer to the fact that space will be available to everyone, now there are people flying who want to fly, but they have money, there are people who want, don’t want, well, some it was a happy accident, well , the film director and the actress flew, so step by step we are closer to what aviation is. then the two components of a flight into space are physical and psychological, but physical

seems to me, in principle, it is in the background, and the first is psychological, this is difficult , probably the most difficult , there was nothing complicated - firstly, it was my dream since childhood to fly into space, when i got there i saw our the earth fell into constant weightlessness, i just had a blast and i lived for 2 years and worked in space every day was news to me , firstly there is no time there. there is always work, even on weekends we put it on ourselves, we burden ourselves, time flies very quickly, you are very once a month has passed, once already two, they just arrived, it seems, due to the fact that you feel that... you want to be right at the peak of everything that humanity has created, you seem to be a living person, but you don’t live on earth, you revolve around it, always encourage this, plus you are one of those chosen - by your space agency, well , by the state, you imagine that there is an international crew commander, even when they ask if you were afraid to fly for the first time, this is a normal question, why at

all meetings, i i say it’s the worst thing we have always is not about flying for the first time, but about flying. extended for 2 months, and the crew, there were only three of us at the station, i was an american, an italian, and i was the commander, and the leadership of the command center, well, over a closed connection, they asked me, like anton, are you ready to fly again, i, yes of course we are ready, the more we have, the better, that is, we are trying, we understand that we don’t

fly into space very often, will you still have a chance, so i want to stay in this state in earth’s orbit for as long as possible. and i say, well, of course, you can carefully ask your colleagues? well, i think, okay, i’ll ask, i asked, yes, the italian was happy, she was jumping all over the station, the american was a little busy, he had some business, he had already swooped in, i had business, well, in principle, the crew was ready to fly on , the american may even have set some kind of record there, but literally before boarding, they also called me and said, anton, it’s the may holidays, we don’t want to keep people on the may holidays, we’re 3 days early... we’ll let you go, you know, i say, it’s bad here, i say, here i can say that the crew will be dissatisfied, this is straight away, so you tell them yourself, let me not speak as a commander, i have a question, if we talk about time, the future, the past, this film, it can be read as a prequel, that is, the story that is being told events preceding the first film, or is it part

of the same universe, or are these completely different stories, filmed in the same style, how do they relate to each other, your opinion... one film and the other, it seems to me, the advantage of this diptych is that the films connected in total only a couple of formal signs that it’s about astronauts, yeah, uh, space as the setting, and the main arc is the name, of course, nothing else connects them, they ’re even different in their themes, as i said, and that’s great , you can watch each film separately from each other and not even know anything about the existence of the second film, it seems to me that this is a big plus, and what’s interesting is that i don’t remember agonizing over the title, we can’t live without space, it was immediately at the level of an idea, from somewhere, with the second one, i didn’t go through everything, i didn’t try it, i didn’t have this version, it doesn’t even come to mind, although i already had the plot in my head, yes, that’s it, i’m almost finishing the film, suddenly i remember in despair, i call

my friend to my colleague dima vysotsky and i say, dima, come up with something, save me, maybe throw some version, and i remember. i felt on the phone, i found him somewhere, he was almost entering, or getting ready, or going out somewhere, that is, on the run, and he was doing this, apparently, to get rid of me, well, knowing about the previous film, he joked, he can’t live without space, it’s so simple, i didn’t even have a version of this, moreover, a little later , when this excitement settled down, that the name was found, everything connected at once, the two films came together , here it is, a diptych, i suddenly... here’s such an important thing, the last one: the title of the second film, he cannot live without space, even more precisely than the title we cannot live without space, to the first film, but with the first i already i couldn’t help it, and by the second i couldn’t stand such a lacquered piece refuse, by the way, anton, there is a shot in the first film of two cosmonauts in front of

the rocket, before the dive, yes, before the launch, being photographed on the platform, on the floor... the shot, i did it for the plot, it was important to me, well because the photograph as an artifact plays a certain role in this story, but then i found out, someone told me that, in principle, neither astronauts nor pilots do this, this is a bad sign, and this is great, i thought, that because this this was a tragic mistake, including them, it’s true, not pilots, yes, i, as a professional pilot, yes , we are not... in soviet times , everything was still under such curtains, until the rocket was successfully launched or the crew landed, they didn’t talk about it about this stage of the flight, now

they broadcast it directly, we know who will fly, i can tell who is planned next year, before this was not allowed in soviet times, the americans even launched to the moon, they showed from the very start who would fly, everyone watched the launch itself, so now there is no such thing, which means the film is outdated. this is a space stories podcast, we continue conversation with konstantin bronzit, with you anton shkablerov and stanislav didinsky. they say there is a tradition of watching the white sun of the desert before a flight, is this true? yes, she stayed like that, and recently i found out we are the second. here we have cross flights, elon musk’s ships began to fly , here are the dragons, to the iss, now on every american ship there is one russian

cosmonaut on our ship one american astronaut said that the guys who launched from florida said that they adopted this tradition, the white sun looks empty, what's going on, why didn't you put this tradition in your film, and i didn't know anything about it, most likely... if i were the hero in your film, and what would my fate be in this film? good fate, happy fate, yes, because a specific person is still an abstraction, colleagues, don’t forget, these are abstract figures, they don’t have names, this is in a sense, you know, such a birth trauma of animation, we are forced to the viewer to break through abstraction, some kind of convention, and there is already a question for the viewer, is he able... is he able is it possible to immerse yourself in this convention, because animation requires such skill from the viewer, this feature film does not require any skill, no preparation, because there the entire image is real, it captures

reality, there is no reality in animation, and you need to be able to get to it , especially when, without any text at all, you need a serious immersion in this rebus, what they want to tell you with this antlers, these are still characters of a function, they perform a certain directorial function, and... when i’m filming a specific person about anton, this will already be a documentary film, this is already a different type of cinema, so we will be careful with this, your second film almost made it to the oscar race, but it reached the shot list, but did not reach the final one, the last last step was not enough, that it went wrong, very simply, when i realized that the title would be he can’t live without space, i knew that i had buried my film for the oscar, but i did n’t care, i had this whole valuable game in the title.

we will, we will fly there, do something, to explore something, but the hostility of space towards us, in my opinion, is absolutely, it is a black lifeless space, absolutely cold, i think that we need to look for something here on earth, here is our home, but what about the colonization of other planets, similar to the earth, this is a beautiful fantasy, so far it’s fantasy, i’m very 50 years old, not 50 years old exactly, but stanislav, well, first of all, of course, i would like other directors to fly there. they finally filmed some new films there and we finally saw all the science fiction, yes.