exposition of the soviet union, and i know that melnikov went there, and his wife with great difficulty broke out to him, because they didn’t want to let her out, that is, not everyone went there, because as i understand it, it was also an expensive large delegation from us sent, so only those left. what would be absolutely necessary is necessary, okay, alexander, but if we still return to the theme of design in mukhina’s work, what else did she do besides these wonderful costumes and this exhibition? she had very wide ones interests, in general she was very fascinated by the synthesis of arts, she was one of the first to make sculptures from glass, for example, she was interested in this material, plastic, she also said that there is no need to go against the properties of the material, that is, you need to adapt to it, then there will be natural forms, that is, it actually turns out. that she was not

a sculptor in the literal sense of the word, like an artist, as we imagine, she was like a figure who, like people of the renaissance, was like a person who could work in any completely different direction, i think that if they were probably asked to do architecture, he would also have made a fairly solid and some kind of confident object, because in principle she also made dishes, if you look at what they are showing us now, well this is her work, you know, i’ve never seen this exact item, but it’s similar, yes, but a different vase, she still made flower vases from her. asters, tulips, that is , designs are not necessarily clothes, designs are anything, it can be, it is maybe dishes, for example, her first projects that were not realized, she made sketches, she made watches, for example, she made writing utensils, and some objects for the table, for writing sets, she supplemented them with small figures, that is she was still thinking as a sculptor, she was already beginning to make some objects, in fact, from the very early period of her work, as if creativity.

so that it is harmonious with the character itself, so that the clothes seem to consider that they complement, complement the image, they are very much researched, that is, all her works, they were based on pre-design research, for example, before making glass, she studied the archives of the russian museum, everything that was related to glass and the hermitage, that is , in fact, now in the modern world, designers work and. .. exactly like that, before doing any project, well, any project, not just a designer, an architect, yes, all design people who are involved in activities, they first of all look, follow everything in this direction, that is, she had not clean creative interest, and she really wanted to make the life of every soviet person better, so that they would have some kind of normal dishes, and normal objects in the interior, of course it was difficult, but at least she did everything she could, you she told me that when he kissed you, you again...

what if it’s not just a kiss, but what if you see the whole picture, the customer is dissatisfied. “this is your misfire, all the time with someone, now with this woman, now with the operas, even the dog doesn’t walk alone, today you will have a chance opportunity, he will be alone, all the information is on your phone, they will kill him at his house, fortune teller, new episodes, tomorrow on the first, in our studio again":

that this is something very popular and very ancient, on saturday on the first , dear friends, we continue our conversation about vera mukhina,

my guests are the founder of the moscow design museum and director of this museum alexandra sankova and the architect, artist...

a great thing, and moreover, it turned out to be fashionable, too, he just this art deco turned out very beautifully, and at the same time, i can say in a nutshell for dark people, this style is very industrial on the one hand and is entirely built on such a

sort of stratified movement, so in this pavilion in particular, this kind of knocking down, stepwise knocking down and form happens all the time. it stretches out, as if it were filmed in slow motion, it’s all flaky, and at the same time this is the style of derejables in these corrugated suitcases, in clothes it manifested itself in all sorts of corrugations, plesses there and so on, this is the style such, well, i don’t know, aerodynamics too, but how does art deco literally translate from french - art and decorative, and deco, decorative, right? but the site was really difficult, because we got it, although we bought a large site, it was above the highway, so the only thing that could be done was to make it very long, firstly, that is, it was 160 with something meters, very narrow,

literally 20 m wide, it turned into such a vanity of exhibition spaces, that is, people entered from one side and exited there, from the tail of this pavilion, up there in... at the climax or something , iofan planted a sculpture, and he imagined some kind of sculpture, a two-figure composition, he had some of his own examples of this from... here in his genre, in the genre of monumental sculpture, to compare, roughly speaking, with

the statue of liberty, then in general it certainly won, that is, this is our statue of liberty, only better, well, it’s different, although if i had to compare mukhina with someone, then i would rather contact bartolda, of course, so to the author of the statue of liberty, if i may allow myself, it means to draw such a very short connection between the classical figure that is there... in particular, we know in the image of the vitruvian man by leonard dovinci, yes, where everything was calculated for him, the span of his arms, this , this is the height of a person, such a well-known image, a famous image, he referred to vetruvius, who had his proportions of a person back in the first century bc, well, in his ten books about architecture, he had a connection between human proportions and proportions architecture. this means that this connection has been going on for a long time, and this connection, in fact, is expressed in the fact that we begin, we counted

for a long time before the eighteenth year in russia, we counted in regrets, yes, yes, we counted in spans, we counted inches, there and so on, this is all, parts of a person, this is all, as it were , the human dimension, which means, here, this is all, this is such anthropometrics, it... and ergonomics, as it is called now, it’s all connected with man , so when we are the french first there, then we are in in the eighteenth year, with all sorts of decrees, they switched to measures in scales, french and in lengths, and so on, instead of versts, we now have kilometers, and what is a meter, it is an absolutely abstract quantity, it does not come from anywhere, so it was assigned here in the difference from there is a yard of steps there and so on, so we lost a lot of humanity,

artists like khmukhina, they preserved it, even though the diameter was probably already calculated there in millimeters, but they still preserved the connection of the manual from through the classical proportion with all this, because all this remained, that is, on the one hand, she painted these classic ones there...

but how did this idea with steel come about then? i think she appeared, why? because even then this mode of broad discussion was adopted, yes, we were invited, we are participating in the expo, yes, that means, as is usually done, we are participating in the expo, there is a government meeting, directors of large, so to speak, enterprises there are invited, everyone is asking the question: what are we going to exhibit? and some say: oh, and we we can fly two planes there and they will actually ferry the chkalov and boyduks there.

some advanced processing enterprise, it suddenly turned out that this steel , while it is half a millimeter thick, is quite plastic, plus it is not in... welding is going on the rivets, and so on and so forth, that is, it has some , plus it brilliantly literally reflects sunlight, and it simply glows, yes, yes, it glows, all these qualities, it really was some kind of breakthrough , purely technological, well, that is indeed, it was not vera mukhina’s choice,

it was an offer, she was told that she needed to make it out of steel, that is, it was as if they had already come to her with this material, i wonder what she... did when, for example, the sculpture leaked about the synthesis of art and how she generally thought outside the box, in 1950 there was an exhibition in the russian museum, where she showed a female torso made of glass, and it was matte, well, matte, as if it showed volume, and vera mokhina wanted it was shown transparent, transparent cake, because not in a museum, but somewhere in a park or garden, where there is greenery all around, and as if this sculpture had collected moisture around it. plants, it was formed from dew, from rain, that’s what she wanted, that is , when she even thought about sculptures, how they would be exhibited, she had this figurative conceptual thinking, it was as if she was still and not like that she’s a true applied scientist , but in order to make something to order there, she thought very globally, dear friends,

you can look at all episodes of podcast lab at on the website of the first channel 1. tv.ru, but it’s true that at first this figure, well, this sculpture of a collective farm worker should have been naked, but she was forbidden. well, yes, well, thank god, because this scarf was added there, and that is, it was going on, well, it’s like to say, ordinary creative work here, of course it’s not good when people from the outside interfere, but sometimes they are useful. this was also not the first version, there are other search layouts that are located in the new tretovka on krymsky val, you can come and see, actually erymukhina’s train of thought, and how much time did they have to do all this, that is, it was still in record time, you know that i myself participated in 2015 in one of these expos, this is monstrously little , it’s simple, and even i don’t understand, it’s a gigantic experience of participation, they still start to get together and decide something in

a few months, all this in a few months, naturally in court, then things like this begin. absolutely all this is happening, it’s absolutely impossible to understand why this is done, there is no logic, always, this was always done then, that is, they worked there for 18 hours a day in the cold , assembled and knocked out this sculpture, because it had to be taken to be mounted by may, and it was first assembled here, and then they assembled it here, they looked at it , we looked at everything we could and checked it, although the work was almost by chance, because... well , as is customary, a sculptor works on a model, makes a model and then looks at it, they come, shapers come, they enlarge it eight times there, here the model itself was a meter or 95 cm small, but it was necessary it was simply to increase it by more than 20 times, and it’s kind of incomprehensible, you’re making a mistake

, a millimeter mistake, here it can grow, it was a process like that, well, that ’s why i said luck. luck was with them, they did everything very well, everything came together and so on, then there were adventures when it all had to be taken to paris, yes, a whole train, there were 28 cars filled, which consisted of fragments, yes, but here’s what’s funny, they carefully divided 65 into 65 fragments, put it, yes, they brought it, that’s it, it was in there somewhere in poland, there’s a tunnel you can’t enter, you have to go through half of europe, and there were those too. they say there were some attempts to drive them into a spare place there, to prevent the soviets from passing there, there were some, they say, they had to saw off something in some tunnel, it was easy to cut off something protruding beyond this with an autogenous gun, but it still seemed to be it’s not scary, then they brought him to paris, the french communists came to the rescue

, they helped a lot there, including even with the security of this site, precisely because they found some kind of thing there. sawn cable, communists they helped a lot, thank god, very well, and they really built it very quickly, they built a pavilion there in less than a month, a gigantic pavilion, 160 m long , they built it, but they didn’t let anyone back for dismantling, they came - people completely unfamiliar with the installation with sculpture, with technology, and so on, they sawed it into 44 pieces, here in 65 neatly. and here it’s just like this in paris, and in paris they roughly sawed it into 44 pieces and somehow they sent it all back to us, they already assembled it, they changed the metal there.

sculpture, well, and a cut glass, about which the quarrels will always continue, after all, what else are some other important works of hers, like please,

pyotr ilya is sitting there at the conservatory, and in an amazing pose, he’s sitting all quietly, everyone passes by him in in the very center of the city, or maybe not even so noticeable there, well, in general , the belarusian ones are bitter, and gorky is also hers, well, well, they are bitter - this is also known. also, well, your brother is a writer, and ours, but how many were not implemented, it’s just that, and what, for example, was not implemented, that’s how interesting her plans did not succeed, because she had some kind of very dramatic story with the sculpture icarus, which she dedicated to chkalov, which means that this is really the fall of punishment, the wings unfolded and there one sculpture was stolen from the exhibition, a second sculpture, a second...

yes, as an artistic director, but she was also the initiator of my creation, when back in the forties there was no such factory, she suggested creating an experimental workshop on the basis of a mirror factory, just a glass factory, that is, no one there i didn’t talk about art glass, but here she is, yes, yes, and in fact, after that, of course, during the war and the great patriotic war, the work of this art department was interrupted, but already with...

finally, and they tell you: so , let 's think, maybe you can do this, a person who knows the technology, who already knows a lot of experience, can advise, so she just advised a large number of artists at two enterprises in the largest country, did she advise them? yes, yes, well, you can easily imagine the situation when there is a young a person coming out, and vera ignatievna praised me, and for him this may further be some kind of motivation for, if not all, but for some period of his creative life. and moreover, this plant was built in order to do, as we would say now, set trends, because it was necessary to make good samples for

artists to do. and further it was assumed that these projects would be bought by glass factories throughout the country, that is, as if they were making art glass, then they experiment, develop new models, and then it is produced everywhere, that is , in fact, the same thing happened with some ordinary glasses, the same ones, or something called wine utensils, these kind of sets, but still the most important thing is that these are workers, collective farmers, yes the most famous and of course it’s very cool that, firstly , the sculpture returned here because the french wanted to keep it, buy it, at least i read such information, they wanted to buy it, but they didn’t give money, but that, well, may be so but anyway here's what i read, yes, that it was brought here after all, the fact that it was not lost, it was installed, it is indeed now restored, the restoration was very good, it really adorns one of the most important places in moscow, it remains such a wonderful symbol of the era,

it really is a monument and... director and founder of the moscow design museum and yuri avakomov, architect, artist, curator. thank you very much, dear friends. hello, this is the witness podcast from einstein and its leading film historians, natalia.

p, when i try to remember his roles, i still time i remember him himself, that is, we remember, here is a film where shirvint played, or oh, look, shirvint, and this applies to absolutely any films, like the films of fildar ryazanov, where out of friendship he agreed, without any tests, yes, to play roles, well, probably his most famous role is andrei mikhkov’s drinking companion in the film the irony of fate or enjoy your bath, after which he even woke up a little famous again, but in

other roles, well, yes, as it were... he characters have names, surnames, characteristics, but we still remember that this is shirvint, and so, unfortunately, it was almost throughout his entire film career that he did not play major roles, in general, with the exception of one film, one role in the film womanizer, well, the purists, maybe shirvinta’s fans will correct us and say that in fact, he has a lot of main roles, well , let's start in order, let's tell you, in fact, why this happened, well, let's try to tell, yes, because in fact, alexandravich. his career began back in the fifties in cinema; he was still connected with cinema for a significant part of his life, but at the same time, of course, he is, first of all , a theater actor, a boy from an environment associated with the theater, with music, a boy who knew many people whom we now call great, yes, someone was friends with his mother or worked with her or knew his father , anastasia tsvetaeva, the daughter of marina tsvetaeva,

for example, came to them, and... this atmosphere is so creative, it is clear that it could not help but influence the child who ran away from school for what reason in childhood, to go to the cinema of a repeat film, to watch several times in a row day a film of some type tanker derbent, as he remembers, yes, the same cinema for the second film, in the building of which today the uniksky gate theater is located, then, in general , it was one of the most famous cinemas in moscow, which existed even before the revolution in this building, where tartas is now, right at that very crossroads, it is actually located, and this place was one of the main cinephile places, because the age of the film is short-lived, yes, the cinema film allows you to watch everything old hits on the big screen, today, of course, there is no such problem, then, it existed, in fact, from such an already forgotten selection of paintings, the first painting by alexander shirvint, shortly after his graduation from the shchukin school, but he began

quite cheerfully , although... by chance, in the film “she loves you” from 1956 , he plays the second main male role, the first main role is played by the comedic protagonist, as it were, and the romantic one at the same time , georgy vitsin. mikhail kazakov was supposed to play the second one, but he couldn’t, but he couldn’t, he were invited to play the role of hamlet in the theater, but how, of course, you need to refuse the role of some pop singer or philharmonic singer and go try to play hamlet, everything fell apart there, he didn’t play hamlet then, but the role was already given to them , to his friend sasha shirvint, who appears for us on the screen, first in a photograph, and then on a television screen, which seems to me to somehow even predict his future career. naturally, he doesn’t know about this yet, but we, looking at this film, can somehow imagine it, and he’s quite solid on screen, although it is clear that it is not a real singer singing for him, he falls into this

genre comedy stream, yes, but the second film is completely different, it is a romantic drama by michal kalik, boris rytsarev and olga ulitskaya, which was called ataman kodr, a film in moldova.. . he is very worried that this is some kind of endless red tape, that he can come to the studio, say, to the pavilion, and they won’t film him during the day, his turn won’t come, and he was a little disappointed with these first shootings, because of the shooting room. the group is made up of different actors, different

temperaments, generally different people, from different studios, from different theaters, that everyone can eventually quarrel, that in the theater there is at least some kind of feeling of family, but in the cinema this for him... there really wasn’t random people got together, did some great work, and then they all went about their business, you work in the theater from year to year, there is a friendly team, there is a repertoire, there are meetings, regular ones, troupes, in general, you really are cooking in the same pot all the time, although the main thing, the main thing is to find your theater, it is it didn’t work out for him right away, but from shchyukinsky he came to the film actor’s theater for a year, and then he was in lenkom. i haven’t found it yet, in fact, the theater with which his name is most associated is the theater of satire, but we ’ll get to that yet, and we, the viewers, yes, maybe we haven’t seen these early films, viewers of later decades haven’t seen them as they often repeat, for us shirvint appears on

the screen in the sixties, yes, and there he shows himself as a brilliant master of the episode, the very case when the actor does not need to drag on yourself, wait for the entire shooting period, while the film is being created, several months. translations, fresh. how are you doing, felix? i live, my mother could have lived better, she wouldn’t have fallen apart. you see, what a story, you and i are paid too much in wages, but i generally

believe that a true scientist should receive extremely little, should work for the sake of enthusiasm, maybe i think wrong, if i think wrong, let my senior comrades correct me. why do i always want to say nasty things to you, toptygin, why? this? oh, everything is much simpler, you eat a lot, evdokimov, but what is the dialectic of life? the dialectic of life is such that when horses are well-fed, they beat their hooves. felix taptygin. what a beautiful, simple name for a soviet scientist. in general, here he appears in the film for the first time, he appears again later, and he is part of this accomplished gentleman, but on the contrary, there he is more likely to be accomplished, she is not married to him. came out, in general, yes, part of the past life of the heroine doronina, who, for whom the present is just the hero alexander lazarev, but now he appears here for the first time, that’s it, and we already understand what kind of person this is, what is it like, what is it? by the way, the voice, it’s not for nothing

that we said that in the first films they sang for him, sometimes they even re-voiced him, how much the image of shirvint on the screen is connected for us with his velvety, so voluptuous intonation, always so mocking, as in general his branded, branded cards. it’s his voice, his charm is largely built on these intonations, despite the fact that when he studied at shchukinsky, he had to do exercises to say sha-cha, these ones to hiss. the man did not pronounce his own last name, as a matter of fact. yes, by the way, he doesn’t write about this, but in general it can be assumed that he even wanted to change this surname, and for some time he acted under the pseudonym alexander vetrov at the variety theater at the very beginning of his career. or maybe it’s just a simple pseudonym stanislavsky. actually, why stanislavsky? because, well, personally , i fell in love with shirvint when i watched it for the first time a long, long time ago. film come tomorrow, about a simple russian singer, frossya borlakova,

a girl from siberia who comes to moscow completely naive to enter a music school, and uh, being late for exams, she accidentally encounters in the corridors of this school two idiots, loafers, who introduce themselves to her as stanislavsky and nemiroevich danchenko, he says: yes -yes, yes, i heard about you somewhere, but i thought that you were older. and shirvint says: yes, yes, well, everything happens, everything happens, in general, yuri bilov and alexander shirvint play two, well, fans of pranks who deceive, yes, in general, rather cruelly treats a young girl who really has enormous talent, in general rodel is quite autobiographical, and by arranging for her, since the audition, the casting, the fake casting to which she comes, they come running, which... all the students of this school laugh, this is also a small role, as if in

general shirvin plays such a bit of a scoundrel, but it’s still memorable, charm, but negative, and, by the way, about the role of toptygin, it’s not just that he appears on the screen like that all of a sudden seemed to be an accomplished character, because he played it in the theater, initially the script was again called about love, 104 pages about love, it was a play. edward rodzinsky, in fact, there was a production by anatoly efros, where he played the same role, shirvint played this same felix, so his confidence in this role is also based on the fact that he played it many, many times, in fact moment, by the mid -sixties, he was at least a real star in moscow, and it’s not even about the cinema, then there is definitely not in the cinema, or even not in the cinema at all, not even in the cinema at all, it’s not even in the theater. and the point is in the skits and the point is in

various anniversary such special performances, parties that were played in the actor’s house, what mutated into corporate parties then was still such fun entertainment for the entire team there , kametograficheskogo or theater initially, the skits appeared at the turn of the 20th century, when the actors themselves were resting and getting together and portraying something completely. yes when the game is on stage - it's not work, yes, all this is just for pleasure, and sherwin comes to the actor’s house, where such performances are regularly staged, such as the topic of the day or new year’s, for example, performances, and it turns out to be incredibly popular, and there he begins to hone, in fact not only your ability to create an image for 5 minutes, yes, but also the ability to write it and stage it, well, i would say that this is such a direct predecessor of modern stand-up.

to transform, he didn’t like to thunder, for example, for roles, yes, something was going on, nose, he said, yes, yes, yes, he, organically it’s easier for him to be himself, he said that there are just different types of actors, that’s what he is, once in his youth on stage he

portrayed some kind of then the play of the passers-by to lenin, something about the beard, this is what he said at the very pinnacle of his transformation, in principle in... always a little broader, always a little bit, this ironic attitude towards his character is visible, but he said, there is such a wonderful actor as anatoly popanov, and so he spends many, many hours, puts on complex makeup and then goes into the scene, i’m not like that, i’m always about the same shirvint in the given circumstances, but in general, we really see him on the screen in about the same way we see shirvint, who is put in some conditions , then he somehow gets out.

he’s probably a good person, but in iraq it’s not customary to just talk to married women, much less help them. we both know you're putting the whole family in danger. why don't you want to listen to me and sit quietly. i advise you to be careful. with by whom? with everyone. trader. tomorrow, after the program time. you must contact him.

that the person is normal, neat, tidy, you can even live for free, if we see that he just has financial problems now, we accept him and put him in one of the rooms. the uruguayans' favorite dish is meat-siege, we usually eat this dish with bread, vegetables, red sauce, here's another rib for you, please, it's normal in uruguay, the lives of others, the premiere is next sunday on the first. this podcast features lenshtein, his leading film historians natalia ryabchikova and stanislav dyadinsky, we continue the conversation about alexander shirvind, who would now be 90 years old. we mentioned mikhail derzhavin, with whom he created a wonderful duet, and they have known each other since their youth, they were born in the same

maternity hospital, and they spent the summer months together in a dacha area, a dacha. i don’t know whether it was a cooperative or not, but in general, what was called the nile, science, art, literature, orenburg once lived there, well , in general, this has been a community since the thirties, and summer residents, this is a skill communicating with a partner, it seems to me, this is also what shirvint was incredibly loved for, and he was incredibly attractive to directors, too, because he responds to partners, yes, he works with him and interacts with him when, for example, he could not participate in some of his next written duets and skits and numbers, then he could perform with andrei mironov, whom he also knew, by the way, mironov studied with him at school. yes, i must say that shirvent is less, less known to us as a general

audience, as a theater teacher, he is somewhere complained that he was probably the oldest theater teacher in his theater university, he could have been older. only vladimir etosh, yes, who studied at about the same time, at the same time as him in the early fifties, and he could perform with andrei miron, he could perform with anatoly popanov, valentin gavt, who was known in the theater community not only as an actor, but also as the author of numerous epigrams, he wrote, now i’ll try to reproduce, and derzhaven shirlint noticed, blessed, but did not go to the grave, they had no equal in the duet, derzhaven went to the tavern, i mean 13 chairs, but shirvent survived the separation, mironov extended his diamond hand to him, it was known, and their ability to work together, the three of them appear on the screen, like... just in three boats, don’t count the dogs as a film that is, well, nonsense a little bit in the soviet history of cinema, nahum birman decided to make a film adaptation of jerome

kajerome, everything should be like real englishmen, real london, they film in the kaliningrad region, they make up the residents of the kaliningrad region to look like englishmen, shirvin thinks, that’s it, horror, horror, nothing will work out, there will be some potemkin villages on the screen.

lovely, i haven’t started singing comic verses yet, and this charming missionda inspires me, thank you, please sir, sir, this is a comic verse, verse, stop, do you really think that you can listen to a comic verse with such a sad, sad face, i i beg you very much, go out with him into the garden, with whom, sir, with a face, yes, but it would like to listen to the end, into the garden, everything into the garden, everything into the garden, in general, it has become such an absolutely catchphrase, this and there is a comedian. couplets, haha, which no one really listened to. it must be said that shirvin himself was also a master of comic impromptu, improvisation

and even the author of feuilletons, because at that very moment by the end of the 60s, when he had already become famous, he was entrenched in the role of such a king of the supporting plan and the king of episodes, he writes, yes, the king of kapustnikov, he writes filitton about how soviet cinema is for the newspaper, about how hard life is in general. for an actor who wants to act in films, in my opinion, the soviet film was called goats, but well, it doesn’t matter, yes, and in fact, he cites a certain profile of a conditional actor and from the card index of some studio, a mosfilm film, yes, where in general they list the main characteristics, that there are kariya’s eyes, height 180 cm, well, approximately a similar description of shirvint himself, no, the point is that it’s not similar, blue eyes, blond, five languages, in order to better present oneself advantageously, to sell oneself profitably,

at some point, when such a profile is taken out of the caches , is heard somewhere in 8 a.m. call, or maybe even earlier, a call from the acting assistant, and an actor named awakened, answers this phone call, they say to him: the square director really wants to see you, please come, he... wants to try you out his role, so the actor trudges to the studio, cancels the rehearsal in the theater, and this is always very difficult, he disrupts, disrupts the performance, then in the end he auditions, it doesn’t matter whether he is a big actor, a small one it turns out that his photograph, which in the card does not match at all with his appearance, everyone forgot who he is such, and yet he is even approved at the management council, but then something goes wrong, and he says that especially talented film crews manage not to say until the very premiere of the film whether he is starring in this film or not , or rather, rather , which is no longer filming, yes, they take a very, very long time to say that it is not filming, and yet the actor forgets about it, then

answers the call again at 7:00 in the morning, he’s on his way.