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Understanding 9/11tv Fantastika 1TV August 17, 2024 11:45pm-1:01am MSK
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isn't your grandmother dying? is your grandmother dying? yes, and you told me that we should look at a hotel, i bought you panties and socks on the way, i didn't even take anything with me, great, you're so caring, let me get the suitcase, and i can ask you for something, of course, it's a matter of life and death for me, i have a headache, go to my sister, ask for a pill, i have some, i took it, give me the suitcase, my stomach will hurt, maybe they have something for the stomach, it hurts a lot? it's terrible, i have good medicine, come on yes, i ask you, bring some water, wash down the pill, i'll bring it now.
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channel one, in the new season on channel one. you have a good collective farm, and you'll try to make it rich, a millionaire, and you haven't aged much, it will probably be hard for the village, if you're not used to it. it's okay, we'll get used to it, but in our village your hanky-panky can end badly. vadim, partork, are you sure, he 's a womanizer. "my marinka and i almost broke up just before the wedding, because of him, and if i fall in love with you again, it's yours, do with it as you wish, throw it away, wear it, hide it, he pestered you again yesterday, don't disgrace the family, kirill, i want to give you advice, as an experienced womanizer, don't pester a woman if she doesn't want it herself, you're ruining your life and hers, what will happen to you now, what will they do to you, these are not simple words, if necessary, i'll kill you, i wouldn't throw around such words, will you kick"? i'll put you in jail,
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for what? we'll always find an article, i won't survive if you cheat on me, i can't live without you, the premiere, soon on the first, i can't live without you, i'll wait, why doesn't such an influential person have a bodyguard, i can protect anyone myself, that's how you write your notes? you always sleep at the performance, and then i remember my dream, and do you know that a year ago i almost bought your magazine, well, i hope in order to close it, but why close it right away, well then i would have a good reason not to work there, and you know, an important factor was that i like the way you write, i after all, i am an artist at heart, i would say that i am more of an artist than a disinfectant, well , my articles are... not fiction,
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but in them you can feel that you are a very subtle, uh, complex and wildly talented person, yes, i wonder from which article exactly you realized that i am a wildly talented, complex, subtle person, for example, from the article about anashkin's show in paris, i was not at that show, well, that's the point, and your beauty makes you... even more interesting, why didn't you buy our magazine then, because i haven't met yet you, when in moscow, tomorrow, give me a lift, no, thank you, i have a plane, and i have a whole airline, and you don’t have a football team, no, well then you’re some kind of incomplete businessman. i’ll improve, by the way,
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i’m going to buy a hotel in st. petersburg, i wasn’t interested in your opinion. “hello, good evening, eh, we need a good room, yes, please, well we already have your passport details, yeah, please, your passport, and i ’m not staying, and have you already stayed here, yes, it happened once, i’m telling you, you unforgettable, i try"? your number is 651, have a nice evening, thank you, well, as agreed, at 10:00 we'll have breakfast in a restaurant and off to the sky, agreed.
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he left, who? your new friend? yes, i'll help. are you crazy? what do you mean? why are you flying to moscow? because i need to go to moscow, and he has his own plane. what happened to the suitcase? did it fall into his plane? yes, did he book you a room? did you have dinner together? yes, we'll probably have breakfast together. breakfast, then lunch. how will it go? i know how this will all end. are you jealous? i am. yeah, what nonsense, you're not saw where i do my chicks, they are in a suitcase, on what floor, on the fourth, okay, relax, i won't tell him anything about us, listen, why do you need all this, why do you need him, that he is an interesting conversationalist, he likes the way i write, he likes the way you write, he doesn't give a damn how you write, he
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wants you, tomorrow you will fly to moscow with him, and then who do you take me for, for the girl you want, you compliment, yesterday you danced in the room with hamlet , whose name i don't even remember, he played hamlet very well, that's how i remember him, yeah, you she said that it was even a somewhat gradual role, i imagine what would have happened if he had played the main role, so far, i often got into trouble with the pussy, lately i try to do it less often, i don’t understand at all what difference it makes to you, you are an almost married man who went to god knows where to visit a girl you barely know, i came on business, oh well, and your grandmother feels very bad, fear god, he is almost twice as old as you, somehow it doesn’t work out with young men, they’ve all been taken, that is, you’re like in
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i also decided to stay in this hotel, so to speak, to feel like an ordinary guest, can you show me your room, i was actually about to go to bed, i literally just wanted to see you again, maybe tomorrow morning, in fact i just wanted to see you again, i like it, really, i like it too, it looks so much like someone, like december, like my father, it looks like it's normal, many women like men who look like their fathers, i can't do that,
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what kind? yes, we'll figure it out with your cycle, maybe we'll just go down to the bar, bar, yes, the blood alcohol level will drop to legal marks, we need to fix this urgently, couple, here.
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smile cycle, why couldn't you sit in the closet like me, sorry, you probably have more experience. and did you know that in 5 minutes the bridges are raised? yeah, no, damn, i forgot.
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all the shops were closed, crossed to the other side, completely forgot that the bridges are raised, so i'm stuck on the other
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side, you get some sleep, i'll come as soon as i can, bye, just a classic of the genre, not that the bridges were raised, water, i don't understand at all whether she believes me or not, she believes, she's stupid, she not stupid, she just loves, that's why she believes, such a side effect. "you become stupid, you become noev, like a child, it seems to me that i have stopped understanding at all , i don't understand myself, i don't understand you, what do you want, i want you to kiss me, it's not far from here. a boat that carries people to the other side, i don't want to go to the other
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side, i came to you, i want to stay here with you, on this side, but you yourself don't understand what you want, you called me yourself, i didn't call you, i just asked if you wanted to come, it sounded like invitation, remember how many times today you regretted that you came, you also regretted that i came, we just met late, why, because you're getting married, because you're going to live the life you wanted, you wanted the life, that is, now this... this doesn't bother you? we only have 2 hours left, let's run and have sex, let's run, and if i want you to stay, if i want to wake up with you, but only this time i want everything to be real, so that you wake up next to me, and not on the couch, you will stay, yes, if you don’t come back to her now, you will hurt her very much, she will immediately... become smarter, wiser, tougher, she will spend her whole life proving to people like you that she is worth something,
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remember, you read me a poem when we first met, of course i remember, read it again. “i survived, desperately, shiveringly, the dawn is easy, the snow has melted, the cry is not heard, the light does not blind, the eyes are empty, the voices are foreheadless, the missing cry, a stranger’s trifle, coincided with the midnight and the familiar, and if something goes wrong, will you help me, there are only two of us for now"? i survived, probably, it's not convenient or heartwarming to go on such runs, we're not crazy, we're not weirdos,
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the sludge of haste suits me, the rain is drizzling on the garden bench, thunder has struck, it's time to cross myself, you have to go to work with your family in the morning, and i have to walk and talk, study. alyosha, alyushinka, where am i, are you in the hospital, have you felt bad, we called them soon, i don't remember anything, hello, how are you feeling, my head hurts, i'm alena, and you
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dyed your hair, well, yes, a little shade. and for me i dreamed that she was a blonde. well, what can i say, you should have
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gone to the club with us then, so don't call and don't meet her, gradually you. let go, i know, only i don't want to let me go, yeah, yeah, everything happened at the wrong time, but it happened, i met a girl who is not afraid to live, who turned me upside down, and then threw a nuclear bomb inside, why should i live as if this didn't happen, in general, live as before, i can't anymore, i can either be in a stupor, like now, or something needs to be done about it, wait, you want us to tell you to throw yourself into bed with bogev on poetes and put a cross on everything you lived for before, what's the option? throw yourself, no, we won't take on this responsibility, because if your hobby passes in exactly 2 weeks to your previous life, you won't come back, you understand that, right? yes, the main thing is that we will be to blame for all of this, that's exactly it, listen, let's somehow change the topic, well, to some, well, to some other topic, your airline has planes with propellers, yes, i can see it right away,
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like a reindeer father shoves you into a plane instead of a propeller, i don't understand what the problem is, to separate. two girls in different corners, well, it's not higher mathematics at all, and i can't talk to her, dima, and explain the whole serious situation easily, the whole, listen, you know what, then, imagine that i'm an actor of average recognition, which is what i actually am, so there's nothing to imagine here, then, well, i'm dating nikita sergeevich mikhalkov's daughter, ani, nadya, well, okay, nadi, it's not important at all, with nadiya. in general, we are dating well with nadiya and we decide to get married, and i go to ask her consent, as his father can be, well, by the way, that's what you call a father in all senses, to ask for consent, you ask mikhail sergeevich, andreevich, well, it doesn't matter andreevich, listen further, so he agrees, we should have a wedding, so we are getting ready
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, then suddenly i, something happens to me, and i fall in love with a girl. and i cancel the wedding and so the unfortunate nadya pays from a broken trough, in love with me up to her ears abandoned and believe me, i need to leave immediately countries immediately, leave, you know, as far away from the country as possible, because i will never be an actor here again, not even in the puppet theater, while nikita sergeyevich, our dear one , is alive, you know, no, well, well, no, i think that, by the way, he will also get me beyond the borders, in general, somehow translate this means to your account, and do you understand the layout? it is important to care, guys, probably in your place i would say the same, but on the other hand, it is quite possible that in my case i will play the role of the crying girl at the broken carriage, yeah, okay, come on, come on, i'll go there,
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bye, and where are you going, i'm going here. it could be any, we can leave them under the awnings or put them right in the center, look at the seating plan, but the main thing is you need to choose a color to say, after all, it's a street.
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doing here, you came to listen to them, and where are you going, home, to see you off, why are you shaking, i don't know, zaklish. you listen to greek music, sometimes, i don't know anything about you, only that you write very talented poems, you don't understand anything about poetry, as you said there, no your sport, yes, i don't understand, but sometimes i feel it, poems are from dad. mom said the worst thing that could happen to me, poems, and who is mom? an actress, and dad, there was
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one famous character in his time, drank a lot, wrote, did something else, in general, i'm in dad. thermometer, come on, temperature is 40, we need to call an ambulance, i don't want an ambulance, you don't want an ambulance , you have a fever reducer, there is only one that increases fever, there is vinegar, there in the cupboard downstairs. to save you , i must destroy myself with vinegar. no, i don't want vinegar. then an ambulance. okay, come on
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vinegar. you need to get it done. and remember, you're getting married tomorrow. imagine that i'm a doctor. such cute doctors only happen on tv. to make it easier to rub, i see you have a lot of experience, be patient.
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but now you found my hand and you're flying round in circles above my head again again again again you're choosing not to stay you're playing secret music no one can understand i can again no, we already had it with vinegar, when are you leaving?
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so well, everything seems to be ready, please think about it, we haven't forgotten anything, but no. maybe
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should we invite era smirnova? why? she's famous, don't we invite other celebrities? by the way, we agreed with ricky martin, he'll be performing at our banquet. great. you don't love me, right? why did you think so? i didn't think, i felt, i feel everything, i just sometimes can't or don't want to speak, and i feel you very well, that's why i loved you, that's why i want to be with you.
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would you like anything? double whiskey. okay. please. i really want to go for a walk, watch french films. go to banalny luxembourg gardens and just walk along
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the naberezhnye chelny. so what i want to do with you, i'm not a smoker, sometimes i think about us, i bury myself sometimes, my heart drinks once an hour, i'm very sick in other words.
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thank you, welcome to goq, let's go, i'll show you the workplace. hello, dear friends, this is the podcast life of the remarkable, with you i, its host,
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writer alexey varlam. today in this studio i am alone, and my heroine will be a wonderful one of the most fantastic russian women of the silver age, nina ivanovna petrovskaya. i don’t know how familiar this name is to you, but i assure you that her fate is extremely curious and instructive. sometimes she was compared to nastasya filippovna from dostoevsky’s novel the idiot, sometimes scarman, or scarman, but it seems to me that the most accurate parallel that could be drawn here would be to recall her namesake, nina zarechnaya from chekhov’s the seagull, it was precisely the fate of this... which didn’t work out, to some extent, it was
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this chekhov play that predicted the fate of nina petrovskaya herself, and in general the fact that in in this play chekhov takes a close look at this new phenomenon that has arisen in russian culture. russian history, russian decadence, russian modernism, all this is deeply not accidental. so, nina petrovskaya, we know very little about her origins. in the spring of 1879 in moscow, in the family of an official , a girl was born, who was named nina. she was very pretty, with big eyes that looked at the world around her with delight, anxiety, curiosity. probably very attractive. because in her youth she had there were many suitors, one of them turned out to be a future very prominent figure on the political scene of russia, it was vasily alekseevich maklakov, yes, later he was one of
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the politicians, public figures, who headed the cadet movement in russia, after the revolution he emigrated, became such a prominent mason, lived a very long life, so he was in love with nina. proposed to her, but she refused him and married another man, which later, by the way, had a rather sad effect on her fate, in general on her fate has a lot to say about childhood, you could say that, about youth , about some missed opportunities, about some wrong paths, probably, that she took, if only it is possible now, after more than 100 years, to talk about these wrong choices that she made in life, but nevertheless , she married...
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by nature such a maximalist, she was drawn to what was truly talented, to what was truly bright, she herself was engaged in literature, she herself wrote poetry, she herself wrote prose, but obviously, later vladislav khodosevich wrote about this wonderfully in an article
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called the end of renata, it is this article that opens hadasevich's brilliant book of memoirs, necropolis, so khodosevich, specifically reflecting on the fate of nina petrovskaya, said that... people of the silver age often mixed life and creativity, some had more talent for writing, others had more talent for living, so from hadasevich's point of view, the story of nina petrovskaya is the story of a girl, the story of a woman who is too she mixed up these two concepts a lot, it turned out that she didn't have much literary talent, but the talent to live in a literary environment, to communicate with poets, to communicate with writers. to eagerly respond to everything that was happening in literature, to make personal acquaintances, to play a role in the literary life of that time, to directly participate in it and , as it were, to sunbathe in this fire, in this bonfire, this is where she saw, she
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felt her calling, and the first poet who had a very great personal impact on her was konstantin balmont, balmont at that time was really such a literary star, he was very popular, fans, admirers of his work crowded around him, at some point our heroine turned out to be one of them. she fell in love with balmont, balmont reciprocated her feelings, if you can say so, but this was clearly not what nina was counting on, nina wanted to be exclusive, and for balmont she was just one of his fans, this definitely did not satisfy her, they soon broke up, but as nina later wrote khodosevich, this ecstasy, well, maybe not first love, but first infatuation with a great russian poet, this is the first. love affair that arose in her life,
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it left a very bitter aftertaste, a kind of hangover, later she spoke mockingly of balbont, spoke badly , in fact, of course, she did not know how to forgive and did not want to forgive men for the offenses they inflicted on her, but she was very attractive, all the same, life was ahead, and this mistake taught her, did not teach her, the mistake or not mistake, you can argue about it endlessly, but one way or another, in her female destiny, in her poetic destiny, in her life-creation, the next hero appears, and her next chosen one turned out to be the legendary poet of the silver age, one of the key figures of the literary process of that time, the son of the professor of mathematics nikolai bugaev, boris nikolaevich bugaev. who is much better known to everyone, of course, as andrei bely, he
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took this pseudonym, andrei bely, it was with this name that he entered russian literature as a poet, prose writer, publicist and intellectual and theorist of symbolism, which is very important. andrei bely, unlike balmont, was not only simply talented as a poet, but he was a person for whom poetry was his everything. it was his philosophy, it was his religion, it was his form of life, nina petrovskaya wrote about this, that balmont could be divided, balmont was a man, balmont was a poet, in some sense they absolutely did not coincide, it was hard to even believe that this egotistical, self-loving narcissist could write such bright, interesting poems. that as for bely, here, as it seems to me, the situation was a little more complicated, or maybe on the contrary , simpler, because the bely poet and the bely... and the man were much closer to each other.
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bely was a very interesting person, but bely was unusual. if balmont's attitude to the same nina petrovskaya and other women was quite, well, roughly speaking, consumerist and it is clear what he wanted from her, then as for andrei bely, he perceived her not just as an admirer, not just as admirer, he in some sense perceived her as his student, as his... adept, and here the situation in a certain sense turned upside down, now nina rather wanted love, wanted some ordinary human happiness, and bely in general was not ready for this, bely did not strive for this, bely had generally different views on the nature of man, on the nature of the relationship between man and the talent of man and god, a different view of the relationship between man and woman, therefore nina, who turned out to be... if one can put it that way, with all her unusualness and
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fantastic, it turned out to be too ordinary for bely, too earthly, their correspondence, and in general people of the silver age loved to write letters, and the pistoliers of the silver age, everything we know about it, there is the correspondence of blok and bely, the correspondence of rozan and florendsky, and many other correspondences can be named, so nina petrovskaya and andrei bely also wrote letters to each other, but later... and nina ivanovna solemnly drowned all these letters in lake saimaa in finland. now, if we draw this parallel between nina petrovskaya and nina zarechnaya and, accordingly , between andrei bely, with whom nina petrovskaya was in love, and the writer trigorin, with whom nina zarechnaya fell in love, trigorin is shown by chekhov as a completely cynical, pragmatic person, who understands perfectly well what he expects from a young beautiful woman, but andrei
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bely in this sense was absolutely not like trigorin, and andrei bely had his own ideas about life, so he writes her such a long, instructive letter in which he discusses symbolism, discusses theories, talks about some clever, clever things that might be interesting to a graduate student, a master's student, of some university, who is writing a dissertation with him, but were unlikely to be of interest to a young girl who was simply in love and was ready to give herself to this wonderful...
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this plot will be eliminated, and as she later wrote ironically, andrei bely's mother ordered him to leave me for nizhny novgorod during holy week, and bely really left her, although later they still continued communicate, because in fact the circle of these writers, poets, decadents was quite narrow, and they couldn’t just run away from each other anyway, that ’s exactly when, after this break with andrei. on the horizon of nina petrovskaya , a man appeared who determined her fate, it was no less famous and no less significant poet of the russian silver age, valery bryusov. valery bryusov was also not only a poet, but if bely, andrei bely rather deviated towards theory, then bryusov,
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despite the fact that he was not alien to theory, and bryusov in many ways he was one of the creators, and such... these are the intellectual creators of russian symbolism and russian savagery in general, and bryusov, as it were, from childhood decided for himself that he would be precisely the leader of russian symbolism , in some sense the leader of russian literature, but it was no accident that bryusov was probably born into a merchant family and he had all these theoretical ideas, all these utopian dreams, they often took on a very concrete form,
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to ask her to renew relations with nisterov, but i feel, please, not you have to hide anything from me, trader from monday to the first, hello ilin vladimirovna, what happened, it seems you arrived on time in the new season, on the first, rumors are already circulating in the city about this crime, where? you won't go in, they say everywhere, women are lured into a taxi and shot in the back, i wanted to ask you about your find, this knot seemed very massive, although it was easy enough to get under, you have been awarded a great honor, moles, honor and trust of the reich, remember this,
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after the war i was looking for my son's comrades-in-arms, i was interested in what was happening there at the end of the war, and there you are the only real witness, the only person to whom he came openly. well, major, has the hunt begun? confrontation, the premiere of the legendary book by yulian semyonov. bryusov was very strict about literature in general, he was a real master, and he really believed that serving literature is the highest thing that can be in life, it is work, it is not even work, but a way of human existence that demands everything from him,
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therefore, to be published by bryusov was such a supreme dream, it was the highest level of dedication for those of that time...
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his novel, he needed, and one can assume that the fate of nina petrovskaya greatly inspired him as a creator, as
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a writer, it was then that he conceived the novel, which subsequently brought him great fame, and which is still considered one of the best russian novels of the silver age, it has been translated into many languages, prokofiev wrote an opera based on this novel, the novel is called the fiery angel. and here is the love triangle, which lies in the basis of this novel, the action takes place in the middle ages in europe. blutsev generally loved history, mixing times, transferring some modern events to the middle ages or vice versa, calling up the spirits of the middle ages from the depths of centuries, placing them in modern scenery, all this was a very typical thing for the silver age, so accepted, here ... bryusov, inspired by this story of nina petrovskaya by andrei bely, as if humanly
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intervenes in it, lives it, and then he needs all this in order to write a novel, then there is, in fact, nina petrovskaya initially appears on bryusov's horizon as, well, if i may say so, as a muse of sorts, but a muse not in such a high sense of the word, as it was with... pushkin, no, it is a more consumer, yes, more pragmatic attitude towards the person who will inspire him to create an artistic image. at the same time , it should be noted that, in general, nina petrovskaya was not some kind of fool, it cannot be said that she was simply a naive victim, in the hands of all these poetic geniuses of that pores that surrounded her. she really wanted this, she was striving for this. she, one can assume, intuitively.
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bryusov unexpectedly began to visit the family of kretchatov sokolov and nina petrovskaya, who were very keen on spiritualistic sessions, this was also a common phenomenon for the silver age, everyone loved to indulge in spiritualism, they called up some spirits, sometimes they staged some very funny hoaxes, nina petrovskaya later recalled that, so, when bryusov first, first came to them a spiritualistic seance, then nothing came of it,
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and bryusov was very unhappy, bryusov took this matter seriously, that is, they sat around the table, took each other's hands, began to summon some spirits, but the spirits did not want to appear, and bryusov sternly said that apparently someone present here was opposing what was happening and looked sternly at nina petrovskaya, perhaps it was nina herself, then the version arose that... nothing was working out, because there was a bad house here, somewhere there was there is some house in the area in the moscow region, in this house, it means, lives a family of newlyweds, who constantly hear some sounds at night, some voices, some, in general, something incomprehensible is happening in this house, they begged, help us get rid of this, then, it means, bryusov said, bryusov, he considered himself a sorcerer, a magician, the heir of the great bruce. who , even in the time of peter i, such a sorcerer was, came to moscow, and bryusov believed that he inherited his black magic talent, so
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so, bryusov gathered this whole company and... they went to this estate near moscow, where the newlyweds lived, also, they started to conduct some kind of spiritualistic seance there, they also didn’t succeed, because it turned out that in fact there was no knocking, no banging, and no mystical voices in this house, but the owner of this house simply wanted to throw these newlyweds out, they didn’t suit him there for some reason, and for this he played out this whole thing, this fact, when some serious, tragic funny, hand hand in hand.
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i can't vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but the point was that she later recalled that bryusov poured her a tart glass of wine, in which his passion was dissolved, she drank this glass and was poisoned by this glass for 7 years, in the summer of 1905, in this fatal summer for russia, yes, the summer when the first russian revolution was taking place, when things turned out so tragically.
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but she didn't manage to break up with bryusov or bryusov didn't manage to break up with her as easily and as quickly as balmont or andrei bely managed to do. they don't believe that it was me, when an artist comes on stage and the audience simply holds its breath, when a person does nothing, just
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sings, not everyone can do this, believe me. muslim never used foul language in his life, but he was brought up differently, a musician, the most intelligent family, he took me by the hands, by the shoulders, like this he shakes, i ask you, never, never in your life make a remark to me through the microphone, they fell in love. two people, because they heard each other first of all, i thank him every morning, every evening, every day, every minute, every second for what he gave me all this, for muslim's birthday , each other more like two birds than like magamaev, tomorrow on the first, constantly saying that happiness, what two decoys,
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beauties, what are these? children, such will be the future. two stars. fathers what colors will we fill the lives of our own and children. tomorrow after the evening news. brussov, like all the people of the silver age, they were very attentive to themselves, to their lives, to all the events of their lives, they took care of everything that they treated each
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day they lived. and so. bryusov had what is called the don juan list, in this list he divided all the women who came into his field of attention by ranks, yes, i was in love with this one, this one was in love with me, i just paid attention to this one, only about one woman he wrote: i loved her, this woman was nina petrovskaya, that is, finland, lake saimaa, this crazy summer, june 1905, still did not pass without a trace for him, still she launched these roots of hers, she launched them into his heart, and so he simply couldn't part with her, she, of course, wanted more. she, of course, wanted this love to continue and the passion that flared up there, well, as, probably, in the life of any woman, demanded, probably,
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she assumed that some other steps would follow, but bryusov himself was no longer ready for these other steps, here a whole volume of letters has been preserved, it was recently published, completely published in our country, and with these letters too... such a very curious story, when you read this correspondence, then in general a feeling of awkwardness arises, because that this is a very intimate correspondence, because in this correspondence nina petrovskaya simply really bares, tears her soul in the most direct sense of the word, and this is undoubtedly the best thing she has written, all her literary, all her human, all her feminine talent is in these letters, but it is like the poems of marina tsvetaeva, maybe too bold.
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by the way, they are very well published, with very deep, serious comments, a wonderful introductory article in the publishing house new literary review, if anyone wants to read this a real epistolary novel, a tragic novel of incredible intensity, then i highly recommend finding this book, it does make you feel awkward when you read it, but at the same time you understand that this is really a vivid example, this is what the silver age was, how people lived, how they simply really... and sacrificed their lives, these letters very clearly show these fluctuations from despair to hope, they would break up, then get back together, then they would meet in moscow on nikitsky boulevard,
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then they went to paris, then again she showered him with reproaches and could not forgive him that this life, this kitchen, this cooking, this playing cards on sundays, what bryusov really loved to do and what he found rest in from... all these poetic flights of his, this is so important to him that he cannot leave his wife and give himself entirely to nina, as she, nina gave herself to him. nina really wanted equality, she wanted equality in these relations, and by the way, here you can again, remember chekhov's the seagull, where everything was exactly like that, and brezov wrote the novel the fiery angel, a novel that enjoyed success, a novel in which he killed nina, that is, at the end of this novel nina dies, in general, it is clear that as a literary character, he no longer needs her, and as a prototype of this character probably too, nina was, of course,
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furious, she was a very harsh woman, and there is evidence from bryusov, he writes about this to zenaidia nikolaevna, and gippios, with whom he was also connected in such a very whimsical relationships, like all symbolists with each other. bryusov writes that once in one of the performances and... by the way, it was almost a chekhov's seagull, well , maybe not a seagull, but in any case it was definitely in the moscow art theater, yes, which is covered with the name of chekhov, nina petrovskaya came up to him, took out. from her clutch browning and wanted to shoot at him, nearby, as bryusov said, there were several people who managed to get ahead of her, snatched this very browning from her, the shot did not take place, but bryusov writes, this browning, then, figured in another story a few weeks later, and he did shoot, and bryusov recalls the lermuntovsky photographer, he himself writes that he did not have time to get scared, everything happened very quickly, but in any case, nina petrovskaya was exactly... like that, love,
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death, eros, thanatos, all this was embodied in her fate, but even this could not induce bryusov to abandon this constant that was in her life, then she began to act on him in other ways, she began to openly cheat on him with a variety of people, and naturally by people from the literary world, and one of her lovers was sergei auslender, he was a young and... interesting poet, not of such talent, of course, as the white balmont or bryusov, but nevertheless, such a creative personality deserving attention, he was the nephew of mikhail kuzmin, another very large and important poet of the silver age, it was with him that nina started an affair, with him nina went to italy , later auslender also wrote some kind of work of art about this, and nina wrote some stories, that is, this is also very... here they live everything, that they live
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immediately into literature, and such an impression that they lived, and khadasevich wrote about this, not just in order to live, but so that what they lived was like today people take selfies, yes, here he went, here they took selfies in about the same way, all this went into literature, but another thing is that someone managed to connect it, someone managed to somehow not disappear, not to disappear, and for nina petrovskaya, unfortunately, all these experiments on her own fate... without a trace, because gradually her psyche simply began to wear out, she began to which she put, they did not pass for her not to withstand this frantic tension in which she lived, more precisely, i would even say so, she could not refuse this tension, she could not simply forget this life, she could not simply meet some normal person, leave these madmen, and just spit on them to live some kind of ... female fate, which probably, well,
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theoretically was possible, but she was to psychologically she is not at all ready for this , well, such sad, but generally understandable in human terms things began with her, she became addicted to alcohol. in 1911 , they finally decide to separate once and for all, this is where their letters end, and bryusov insists that nina go to europe, she really does go to germany for treatment, then she...
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the younger sister, whom she is forced to look after, this is the only such light in existence, she still has a sick woman in her arms, the windows in her life appear in 1923, when a publishing house opened in berlin the day before, a newspaper opened the day before, headed by the writer alexei nikolaevich tolstoy, who invited nina petrovskaya as a literary collaborator, gave her a job, gave her a salary, and this collaboration really meant a lot to her, but... by the way, i should say that she also meant a lot to alexei nikolaevich tolstoy, because it was nina petrovskaya who suggested the story of pinocchio to tolstoy. it was she who translated this fairy tale for him, from which he would later write his the famous golden key or the adventures of buratino. thus, already at the same time, nina ivanovna should be infinitely grateful. but for her, cooperation with the day before had extremely negative consequences, because the day before was openly. pro-soviet
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newspaper, it was made with money from the kremlin, in the emigration everyone understood this perfectly well, it was cooperation with the newspaper the day before that actually put tolstoy before a choice: either you are with us, or you are with them, but the emigration told him no, then he returns to the soviet union, and here his a very interesting soviet fate, the soviet union did not follow it, perhaps no one invited her there, and no one was waiting for her there, and no one needed her, she sends... returns to paris, where they look at her very askance, precisely because she tarnished herself, tarnished her reputation by collaborating with a pro-soviet newspaper, and... no opportunities to collaborate, to work in the émigré press exist for her anymore, she actually finds herself in a situation of boycott, in isolation, she writes letters, she asks for help, some crumbs are given to her, but it's all already nothing,
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it's a terrible nothing, it's hopelessness, then her beloved younger sister dies in her arms, the only one who connected her with life, and after that... life finally loses its meaning for her, in 1928 nina petrovskaya committed suicide in paris, in a poor hotel, and khadosevich soon after that wrote a small epilogue, well, not an epilogue, but an epitaph, but an obituary, yes, dedicated, dedicated to her death, where he grieved greatly about what happened to her - happened, he mourned her fate, wrote those very memoirs necropolis, the end of renata, but in some sense one can assume that khotosevich loved her very much, and for her he was a young man, she never took him seriously, but this is the unspoken, unrequited love of khotosevich, this is
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the grief about her female fate, about a man who loved literature so much, loved literary people so much that he recklessly gave himself up and became such material for... for the creative fate of other people, this story ended up in oblivion, which personally, i am very touched by it, i have a novel called the mental wolf, and where i reflect on this relationship between people who create and people who involuntarily or voluntarily become material for creativity, in many ways, the fate of nina petrovskaya remains for me some kind of reproach, a reproach, i really want to say now, 100 years later: thank her for what she was, for the life she lived, for how she gave herself away, without thinking about herself and without condemning her, bow to her. dear friends, it was podcast life of the remarkable, and we
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talked about a truly remarkable woman, nina petrovskaya. and with you was the writer alexey varlamov. hello, i am dmitry bak, we have another episode of the podcast with a romantic name, let them not talk, let them read, this podcast is, of course, about literature, about books, well, about papyri, about e-readers, about anything, the main thing is that you read, we are talking today with a wonderful interlocutor. this is the general director of the russian national museum of music mikhail arkadyevich pryzgalov. hello, mikhail arkadyevich. hello petrovich. i am very glad to see you, glad to have the opportunity to talk. and now, let's have our line of synthesis of arts. well, after all, you had an understanding as a schoolchild, as a student
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of a music school, then a college. there was an understanding that music is one of the arts, next to literature, painting, of course, you loved something from literature. literature, literature, in general, was one of my favorite subjects, both my parents are philologists, i didn't know that, yes, yes, so in general there was always a cult of books in the house, always from childhood, i didn’t even understand why, but first of all, before going outside, i had to read this or that work, i liked something, well, something one, listen, well, well, well, that’s it, in my wife’s age i read books that were designed for an older age, i’ll say this, and so in my house there was a wonderful, well , firstly, a children’s encyclopedia, which i always turned to, there was no internet, there was a children’s encyclopedia, for which everyone then they were chasing, searching, there was and was
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a wonderful fifty-volume children's children's fiction, it was a collection of all the best works, foreign and russian. well, i can say that, in general , i, uh, read as they tell it or someone, i can say that they took books from under my blanket, let them not talk, let them read, yes, they took books, because when they told me to go to bed, i still dragged them along with me, this is my story, i, yes, i, madly, the light as they illuminated, flashlights, of course, yes, well, that is, nothing new, yes, absolutely the same story, it gave me... great pleasure palius, but strangely, i didn't think at all that it was necessary to tell here on the program, but now i am overwhelmed by just normal human memories, because my grandmother worked in the library. and my god, that is, you are not only the son of two philologists, but the grandson
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of a library, that's when - there was such a thing, i don't know if it exists now, but then in the houses there were such activists, now they would be called volunteers, who brought books home, they gave out books at home according to forms, now only for pensioners, it is for people, but i remember, i came to my grandmother, i had books from the library at home, i... really loved, that is, well, you understand, i really liked to bring books, to help bring them, to the library, to take them, in general, i myself have been connected with this since childhood with literature, with reading, in general , it seemed to me that, well, for example, when i taught there, i had some kind of a period, i taught at a music school, i explained to my students how to take a breath, well, you know, don't you?
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kindergarten, at school, mom said or went to a concert, as they said, once upon a time, to a concert, went to a concert, that's right, well, first mom said, then went to a concert, everything was, everything is like everyone else, first i played the violin, a beautiful, good instrument, but i, in general, didn't really like it, although at the same time i also played hockey, the violin, the case was an excellent goal. then i realized that a good instrument, by the way, the violin is a very good musical instrument in the sense that it develops hearing well, you know, in our time , these same boys, such hooligans at school, who were such school authorities, oddly enough, it turned out that all these boys played in a brass band, all this in saratov, and who played in a brass band, as they say now, was cool, in connection with ... that in general i was a scapote and they gave me a musical instrument in my hands,
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well, it was not so difficult to master, that is you know, of course it's hard to learn to play well, but in general after the violin it was so nothing, that's important yes, that is , the violin is so difficult, yes after the violin it seemed to me, well it seems to me it was easier for me than it might be for others, and i started playing in a school orchestra, i liked it, in general it was beautiful, wait, and a rock ensemble? no, then there was a vocal instrumental ensemble, rock yes, well of course, they played, of course, they played guitars, it wasn't so prestigious, or something, brass players, you know, brass players, brass bands played at school assemblies, at some official celebrations, it was, it was, you know, let's remember this moment, mikhail arkaevich compared informal concerts of the vocal and instrumental ensemble, i was a drummer in the school ensemble, so i compared. official events where brass players played, in general, it was interesting, then i liked the musical instrument,
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the trumpet, i went and asked the music school to transfer me from the violin to the trumpet, i i started learning such an interesting musical instrument, the trumpet, i was incredibly in love with it, recently i heard an interesting phrase from vladimir teodorovich spevakov, he was holding one wonderful instrument in his hands and took it in his hands and said: i will talk to her this evening with her with the violin, how is it clear, yes, i remembered that i once talked to my musical with the trumpet, i would remember, please tell me, and forgive my ignorance, the violin, naturally, it changes simply with age, fingers and so on then, well, there are eighth notes, quarter notes, eighth notes, quarter notes, yes, the piano doesn’t change, of course, yes, although the fingers are also small, the wind instruments also don’t change, they don’t change, yes. i also have a daughter in a music school, i watch her, so fascinated, psalfeja, this is a great secret,
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so i wanted to ask you, on the one hand, these are people, well, so immersed... great art, refined, well, as if not of this world, on the other hand, many of them are pragmatists, that is, they know how to work like an athlete during training, then many musical specialties are professions of the future, well, it’s unlikely to be the piano, after all , there aren’t many pianists, those who give concerts, there aren’t many who give concerts, but there are many pianists , well, teachers, pedagogues, of course, of course, but violins, i’m just an amateur, there are many of them, yes, many. a profession is a piece of bread, and a trumpet too, in a sense, only you were what, you were a pragmatist, focused on some result, you were a romantic who talks to the instrument, or the third option, you were such a godfather who says during breaks: here we are now let's take the trumpet, no, no, at first i was a romantic, because in general i experienced
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some, well, great pleasure from just playing a musical instrument, although... you have to understand that the repertoire is quite limited, there is such an evil joke that a brass player's head is the upper resonator, yes, yes, well yes, but i'll tell you, but i 'll tell you that brass players are cool, well, in an orchestra, not in a school orchestra, but in general or not, well , in general, a brass player is a leader, especially a trumpet player, that's what i think too, i'll just tell you, i worked in an orchestra for 16 years, when you you sit at the end of the orchestra, in front of you are all the groups of instruments, and then further the maestro, conductors, the audience. yes, you see, usually it is on a stand, on a stand, somewhere there is a harp, yes, you look, a little higher, sits, orchestras, that is, well, in the orchestra i will tell you, this is not a story, this is such a life, that when 40 string players sit there to fasten, 40, well, how many, there they are,
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one played, the second did not play, in general, the difference is small, but let my fellow musicians not be offended at me. but when a trumpeter plays one note wrong, everyone hears, listen, it's always a solo, it's well, well not a solo, but it's audible, any note is audible, absolutely, yes, in general, it's a profession that develops nerves of steel, yeah, i confused you, let's go back, romantic, romantic, no, of course, romantic, well and then more of a pragmatist, because it seemed to me that i wanted, i wanted to make this my specialty someday, and that's how it turned out for me. i translated at the age of 12, what you started talking about, that it wasn't at the age of 7, at 12, and then it was necessary to master a musical instrument in 3 years and enter music school, i only had 3 years, well, in general, how did i manage to do it, i entered the music school, then the conservatory, well, and then i started to do it professionally, uh, but in general - i went from romanticism to here to
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pragmatism, anyway, earlier than most of my classmates, after all, a musician understands that yes. like in sports, like, like in such, well, it hardly happens in biology, i don’t know, no, it seems to me, no, because it’s separate, it’s not even a music lesson, it’s just a way of life, it’s all subordinated, that several hours a day, you have to study, you have to practice, yes, here it’s just practice, here a biologist doesn’t read, several hours, hours, years, until you work out all these synchronizations. you won’t just play an instrument, until you’ve listened to kilometers of music, you have to recognize it, yes, you have to hear inside, yeah, a good musician who always has a reference sound inside, and how it’s heard from inside the orchestra, remember the film by esiliani pevchidrov, where a man ran around the city and came running only
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on your batch of plates, one two by yes, well , there are many different jokes on this topic, generally musical ones, and...
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volleyball, as you haven't seen it yet? channel one cup, live broadcast, tomorrow on channel one. today we have a special edition of cameron 70. anatoly sogolevich, the man who inspired james cameron during the filming of the movie titanic, we built deep-sea manned vehicles the world, as one american told me, saw the pentagon walking on the ceiling, maria shteiman, he was filming a love story written into a tragedy. jim, while we are healthy fats, let's decide, today
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or never. the next day the phone rang, or this same jem and he says to me in russian, let's go. the hero of the film is not rose, it is not jack, it is the titanic itself. suddenly gene gets up and says: no terminator 2, gone with the win potuk. cameron translates this every time. to the level of high tragedy goes down to the terminator, and i tell him: jem, show how people swam, and of course, love should be in the center of the film, i immediately looked at it, tomorrow on the first. i remind you that today in the next edition of the literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read, we are talking with the general director of the russian national... museum of music mikhail arkadyevich bryzgalov, well, 16 years in the orchestra, that's serious, and maybe we 'll watch trumpeter bryzgalov, let's go.
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grigoriyaz, secretary of the unesco commission, i know him, grigoriy, yes. well, of course, now we are fooling around, there were no rehearsals, it's just improvisation, completely, well, now
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it's the night of the museum, but here it's jazz, right? now it's already classics, of course, in a sense, this is a synthesis, everything is here, this is improvisation, real contemporary music, how is it, how wonderful is it, in general, in a word, a boy passionate about music, then a pragmatist, then many years in an orchestra, and not a boy anymore, but a man, and thinking in detail, carefully about how different arts relate to each other. i also thought about this, and you also know that in the middle of our releases, our podcast there is always an author's column, it is just coming now, so i brought several old books
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from my library, these are books by marcil proust, a classic of french literature, this is a book from 1927, published by the academy, very famous, this book is from 1934, lovingly restored by someone, of course it didn't look like that in the original, well, and this is already a book from 1973, but what's the point? i was thinking, what would i read that would describe the synthesis of literature and music? i thought, maybe, the precipice of ivan goncharov, the author of oblomov, there is a scene where one of the characters listens to music and talks about it, maybe thomas mann, his novel doctor faust, where he invented adrian leverkuhn and invented his music and retells it in words, again, and then there was schnittke's music, yes, which
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, as if by description, materialized the sonata of venteuil, that is, it is a huge detective story, and i would like this literally short paragraph of text to sound in two translations, because this is also a competition of translators, one of them is adrian frankovsky, and the other is nikolai mikhailovich lyubimov, the translator of don quixote, and in fact, as they say, who are you rooting for, cska or spartak, everything is immediately clear, so these are competitions in translations simply, yes frankovsky.
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and stretched out one high note for two bars, swann suddenly saw, this is his last name swann, and he saw how, because of the long sound, stretched out, as if a sound hung over to hide the secret of its birth, a secret, rumbling, dismembered phrase appears, swann recognized this airy, fragrant phrase that captivated him, it was so unique, it contained so much individual... charm that nothing could replace, that it seemed to svan that he met a woman in the living room of friends, a woman he had once noticed on the street who had captivated him, whom he had despaired of ever seeing again, and he meets her there, yes, through this musical phrase, that's the story, now nikolai lyubimov, the same phrase from this sanata of a non-existent composer in the translation of his beloved sounds like this, but a few minutes later,
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after... the pianist began to play the ouverdurens, after a high note that lasted a long time, whole two bars, swann suddenly saw how, from behind a long sound, stretched out like a sounding curtain hiding the secret of birth, the treasured, rustling, isolated musical phrase fluttered out and moved towards him, and this airy and fragrant favorite of hers. he recognized it at the same moment, she was so unusual, full of such a unique, such a special charm, that for swann it was like a meeting with a friend in a drawing room, with a woman who once charmed him in the street, whom he did not expect to see again, these fragrant masterpieces of a non-existent composer vinteuil, the great french novelist, simply and two wonderful translators, this is music that can
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be understood, because music cannot be re... said, yes, no, no, you can't, uh, it doesn't mean anything, i'll hear this now, this quote, uh, which you just read wonderfully, uh, you can say, in general, there are a lot of meanings embedded here, a lot of meanings, because music is often always pictorial, you always listen to music, close your eyes, you can definitely instantly draw any for yourself, a picture, any or not? i think any, any, because the music itself will lead you, try it, remember how we met in ryazan somehow, some kind of business trip, and something about rachmaninov's anniversary, but again some speeches, well usually the great sergei vasilyevich, and we all exchanged glances, one of us asked, i don't remember who from whom, remember there, well the second concert, that's how we sang with you. well now
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that's it, now to hear all of this, i was a little behind in tempo, but in general it's clear, and what's behind this, what worlds, what, what arise worlds, do you remember the film - moscow does not believe in tears, of course, well, there the first second series are interrupted by such an alarm clock ringing, this tired heroine falls asleep, who is studying there at the evening party, she doesn't care and suddenly wakes up as a director. interruptions, well , something like that happened to you, yes, well, by that time i was the director of the philharmonic. i thought that you were still an economist and a candidate of economic sciences, i found a dissertation topic, the development of an institutional form of economic relations, dear friends, this is you are not sanata vintaylya, not ambuschure, non
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-existent sanata, and yes and not breathing in the middle of pushkin's line, how did it happen, yes in general everything all somehow came together, i was the director of the philharmonic, the philharmonic was my home at that time, i had worked for so many years, by the way, when i came. philharmonic, i went there by competition, as a musician to chop, in general, life was difficult, there was little money, in addition to the fact that i played in the orchestra, in general i was also happy to be there as a stage worker, some kind of, well some kind of also, there were some part-time jobs right there in one place, because well, in general, it helped to live, the philharmonic is such a multidisciplinary organization, and classical music concerts, modern, then the variety stage was in the philharmonic, i, i, i managed to communicate, this is the turn of the millennium, yes, i managed to communicate with many outstanding musicians, modern, and i received i received great pleasure, by the way, this year, for example, the anniversary of the shnitka is 90 years old, and
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this was that same 2001, when the only philharmonic in the world in saratov we appropriated the property, and i really liked it, we made such programs that would be interesting. to be creative, to create something every day programs, in general it was, but regularly you did not go out, no, did not go out, there was no time, because it was necessary to do a lot of administration toete, well now less, but in general what ...
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and such a decision was made in 2018 by the ministry of culture that the museum should bear such a name russian national museum of music. here in my hands a book i love very much, it has many instruments that are kept in the music museum, here is a gusli, then there is a saratov harmonica, this is not it, this is an accordion, here is a saratov harmonica, which is different in that it has bells.
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like old tape recorders, this, this was assembled by a physicist from those same oscilloscopes and other physical devices, if he lived in the world of the golden calf, he would definitely be a billionaire, and do you know how it works, it is a large metal plate on which an image, a drawing is pressed, squeezed out, that is, there is a graphic equivalent inserted into special grooves, well , like musical.
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music, we do not hear it, music is not that, yes, if we fall silent, then they would hear what we think, it is not just blah-blah-blah, yes, it is not a sound, but it is something more including an image, of course, of course, it is wonderful. it is no coincidence that scriabin, this is the very synthesis of art, about which scriabin is precisely this light music, this is also he possessed symesthesis, he saw sound and in general. i do not know if it is true, but he writes that he
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so stupidly died, i for me it is a personal tragedy, well, just from an accidental infection, and that his last sketches of the scores were aimed at, well, creating such music that would move the luminary, and like orpheus, if arpheus took the trumpet, then everything would move, and in general, this is what scriabin did and he was aimed at this, and you see, he was serious. this city is called the gateway to the north, a special, unique way of life has been preserved here, which is dictated by difficult climatic conditions. many come to this city for to see the famous polar lights. we are in arkhangelsk, friends. the most important thing for a pomor is that it is practical. what kind of wood is preferable for building a boat, the kind of wood that grows. and why did they add salt? in our region, in principle, salt was produced. that's why they added it everywhere, my grandmother
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adds it to regular coffee, even to soluble salt, she says that it tastes better and in our way, we wash the smelt, crush it with salt a little, chop the onion and add it there too, we take some bread and dip it, dip it, and how it will be delicious in pomor style, delicious, delicious, friends, very delicious, delicious, life of their own, premiere, tomorrow on the first, in the new season on... first, tell me, is it possible to do business in my city without me? you komolov, oleg viktorovich, here is the resolution on your arrest, last night a museum was robbed, what does my dad have to do with it, so, well, tell me, the director is local, from leningrad, he came with his wife and daughter, the daughter is an adult, she is going to be an artist, that's how, the museum was robbed at night, the area is quiet, they don't sleep only in houses where they sell wine and more often, so, what is here happens, and maybe we can come to some agreement, huh? 500, which is good and how such a clever poke
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fell for a simple scam, and everything looked so convincing, and you are not afraid at all that we are bogged down in these affairs, but not bad, dad is good, he needs help, unfortunately, without money it can not be done, five, se, oh, what, you were simply delightful and ...
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i remind you that today in the next issue of the literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read, we talk with the general director of the russian national museum of music, mikhail arkadyevich bryzgalov, well let's move on, and you are also a radio host for me, you host a daily column, you talk about some subject of history there, yes.
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, were they planes, why did they recognize them by the sound, yes, in general, this was what warned about raids, well, in general, this. such, that is, sound is an absolute synthesis, here under envy, let's go back, so as to kind of loop this whole plot, we are talking about the fact that - let them not talk, let them read, we are talking, of course, as always, we are talking about the fact that we should not chat, but read, perceive art, and let's return to this problem of the connection between literature and music, here is a modern person who listens to music and reads literature, what kind of person is he, what kind of music? listens, that is, well, there on the bones you had vysotsky's records, the rolling stones, of course, and well, that is, you are ours, well , of course, well, how about, well, what about the beatles, then there was jazz, which was not allowed, it was also on the bones, bourgeois art, of course, well,
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as i often say, history puts everything in order in their places, by the way, we recently had an exhibition dedicated to the centenary. of course, but in general a modern person listens to any music, well, sometimes i manage to listen, i listen to basta, i listen to the singer zivvert, yes, well, i, i listen, yes, i listen, this does not mean that i am a fan, but you
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