if a ship is built first the whole island, all the frames, beams, that whole skeleton that should hold everything that gives strength to the ship, when all this is ready, all these longitudinal transverse ties are installed, secured, then they are put on the planking, and with folk boats it is the opposite, it is enough to make only a bookmark, and then we nail the boards one by one, they kind of form... the shape, create the shape, we first make the planking, and then we insert the frames inside. artem, you see, he is steaming the first planks that should be twisted, this is the moment when we have a board in the middle of the hull, it practically goes, you see, lies horizontally, it should be rolled up to the stems, vertically, it turns out that each board, here it is rolled up, this sets the shape of the hull. well, and this is of course the most

difficult thing, you see, the lever that presses, the pliers are clearly visible here, how they work, that is, one board is clicker sewing, the next board is attached to the previous one with these pliers and is stitched, that is, it is correct to say, not they build, but they sew, yes, we say not to build a boat, not to rivet a boat, not to glue a boat, but to sew a boat, that's exactly it... here we prepare branches, fir trees in order to make a wicket out of them, a wicket - that's understandable, that's something twisted, yes, if you take a fir branch and try to sew it just like that, it will break, but if we take it and twist it, it sort of splits into fibers and it turns out to be a real rope, a wooden rope is also called by another name, because it is called, because it is twisted and here... here they are, the blanks of the vice, in this

form they can be stored for centuries, you could say, yes, they have dried out, here they are already twisted like this, twisted, and in order to use them in shipbuilding it is enough to boil them for an hour in a bucket, here they become soft again and we sew with them, that is, not a single nail, there is not a single nail here, but temporary screws are visible, here but in the end we remove all this, we are left without a nail-eater. as it has always been, and from this, in fact, this method was abandoned, well here already in the 20th century, even in the 20th century they were still sewing boats, well at some point it became unprofitable, so they started riveting them with copper rivets, steel nails, iron, forged, well it turned out that we managed to build half of the boat in arkhangelsk, and we were already finishing the main part of this boat, this karbos in moscow, we brought it to

the courtyard of the moscow museum, we made it into a bookmark and continued it here, here is the sewing process, you see, a twisted, twisted branch, a piece of wicker is threaded through a drilled hole, between the two holes, where the stitch will go, a groove has already been gouged out so that it fits in there flush, so that it doesn't rub, and so, constantly twisting and twisting, they make the next stitch.

i think that we have fewer people who can still sew vices than astronauts, but now there are more, obviously, after the skin is ready, all the linings are installed, the kokors come to the fore, and from these kokors are inserted, here they are collected, frames, they are inserted, this is a frame, this is from german a frame, this is a rib, well, that's what holds, that what holds the volume and on itself. all the load is taken by this transverse, here it is adjusted, cut and it also becomes, of course, very strong, well, this is the sail rigging, the sail rigging, the sprit rigging, you see how the cotter pin is what is diagonally yes, this is the ria or slat, you can also say, what is the advantage of such an expression, well, firstly, it is very simple, it allows you to tack, that is, go against the wind and...

it is very easy to remove, which is important if suddenly a squall approaches, it is enough to remove the slats, we have one corner the upper corner will be freed up our sail area will be halved. sometimes it is necessary when a squall approaches so a thunderstorm on land on sea a squall suddenly it blew like this and here you can quickly throw off the sails, so that it does not fall on the water , so that the karbas does not take on water, well the word matera, yes matera, our name of our karbos means seasoned, mainland native shore, where they returned, to which the sailors returned. they always looked for their shore, here it is this karbos is coming or some kind of ship in the fog and once you have some shore here, you think, yours, not yours, you come closer, you are such an island, let's say, you are looking for yours, your port, here

you find this motor shore of yours, in general everyone was worried about mom, and mom - this was mom's finest hour. two stars, fathers and sons, on sunday on the first, in the new season, on the first, in the city

there are already rumors about this crime, wherever you go, they say everywhere, women are lured into a taxi and shot in the back, i wanted you to ask about your find, yes? this knot seemed very massive, although it was easy enough to pick up. great honor of moles, honor and trust of the reich, remember this, after the war i was looking for my son's comrades, i was interested in what happened there at the end of the war, and anything could have happened there, if you don't have a photo, it's strange where they are, they were here. lord, how similar he looks to my son, you are the only real witness, the only person he came to openly. well, major, the hunt has begun, the confrontation premiere of the legendary book by yulian

semenov. with you, a hint from schrödinger, and we are talking about the expedition from arkhangelsk to siberia. on a wooden karbas, reconstructed using technologies that are many, many hundreds of years old, with us is the leader of this expedition, the captain, the head of the pomor shipbuilding partnership shipyard, evgeny shkoruba, this construction, made according to recipes 300-500 years old, stood on the water went down the river, as it was, at all it did not fall apart, did not sink. did not capsize, for me it was a discovery that it went very easy, and there was little wind and no one knew how to row it at that moment, and it was like that, without any effort, it went, well, which , in fact, emphasizes

the seaworthiness of this shape, why the carbos has survived to this day, because it is a very simple vessel, on the one hand, but it is very seaworthy, its shape itself, it is so ideal for... its class of sea vessels, it was already september, we went down on september 19, so with fair winds we went down, enchanted by its course, what it is persistent, well, it was true that time was already, when the northern dvina had become very shallow in the fall, it was a warm summer, and we often ran into shallows, we often had to get out like this... from the karbosa to look for a way , drag it across the shallows, when everything was fine, this is the kind of course called a butterfly, you see, two sails are turned right to left, in such a situation, of course we were blissful there,

in fact a floating house where you can eat, sleep, yes, yes, as much as possible fits into the karbosa so that it goes normally, i generally i was counting on seven people. we have six oars, respectively, six rowers, one helmsman, we had up to 13, 14 people, a film crew was traveling with us, which filmed all this, and it is very large. indeed, this is a house, here it is not yet fully equipped, we do not have a tent here, which we will have this summer, uh, well, well, well, without a roof, that is, everything is all without a roof, yes, wildly called, uh, the roof blew sometimes, well, i must say, it is work, it is work to row, uh, not half an hour, but the whole day, this is the kind of work that it's exhausting. well, the oars there are so serious, there are how many 4.5 m, i think, yes, yes, they had to be made big, because the side

is high, and so that this lever works, so that the grip touches the water, uh, they had to be made big, but nothing, i liked them, they are somehow so simple, and how much per day it was necessary to go , maximum along the dvina, somewhere 30-40 km, this is with the current, of course we went so uh quite lightly. and i'm scared of what will happen to us this year, we will have to go 50 km by sea, and we will have to make it, we have a strict schedule, how it will be this year, to be honest, i don’t know yet, this is such a big intrigue, most of all, it seems to me, for me, tourists go on such boats now to margazeya, but to go exclusively on oars and... with a sail, this hasn’t happened for a long time, probably, it hasn’t happened at all, we’ll see how we manage, that

is, 3.00 km, strictly oars and sail, without any motors, without motors, with regular stops in order to tell, meet with the local population, tell about the history of the discovery of siberia by pioneers, why is it necessary at all, collect new data, and all this is slowed down, imagine, well, you are sitting on the shore. you have no wind or it is headwind, if you have 3 months or 80 days, well, you can calmly sit there for a week , walk, look at something, relax, a good breeze blew, you sat down with a tailwind, as we say, capable of five-five, you walked there for 5 days, 7 days, you made a thousand km, and then again the weather changed, again you sit and wait, and here...

got into it, that's why it doesn't blow him to the side. in general, man had, in humanity in the steamship business there were three big revolutions. the first was that he basically learned to go with the wind, he guessed there to open some kind of conventional umbrella for a fee, and he was carried down with the wind. then he had a revolution when he learned to maneuver against the wind with oblique weapons. the third revolution is now taking place before our eyes for the last 100 years, here it is already in full swing because it has become appeared. material, light vessels come out on vectors are added somehow, that it turns out to be a regression, a sailing vessel goes faster

than the wind, two, three times, racing vessels are faster, in what-what, yes, yeah, with the gain in speed an additional wind appears, which itself, we ourselves accelerate, this is the so-called pennant wind, here or biting wind, that's right, course, the faster we go, we create this wind in the headwind, it... headwind, but if we have an angle to the wind, then it continues to work, we fall away, here it starts to work modern racing yacht accelerates, karbys of the second revolution, that is, practically this is the place where pomur lived when he did not live at home, that is, it is such, naturally, i do not know what to compare with, i do not even know what to compare with, well, in general, there is no arable land in pomorye, there, as they say, in pomorye, the sea is our field, people lived by the sea, and this is a journey, you have to go somewhere, this is also -

trades, when you go out to sea, so accordingly, of course, little by little, gradually you get settled, here we have a galley organized, cooking, here you go, this the moment when we ran out of gas, we made a box like this, put it on the bottom, covered it with sand and started making a fire in it, it's a completely different matter, i must say, that is , here... in this small boat you could place, i see a film crew here, someone is resting, someone is making a fire and making soup, yes, for a river it's big. for the sea, i think it will be small this year, this is the story of how we made a mistake when we were building in moscow, and we had a moment when we argued whether we needed to rigidly fasten the frames to the bottom, to the battens, and decided that well we probably need to attach everything more firmly to each batten, we had one wooden dowel, and we didn’t take into account that, when

the plating swelled... it began to increase in length, in length, i mean in width, yes, this whole circumference, the side began to bulge and was firmly attached to the frames, it began to tear out these dowels, so at some point our carbon fiber started to leak, we began to sink little by little, at first we pumped it out little by little, we had a pump, then i saw that... actually, the pump was working all the time, without, as long as we walk, the pump works, on one of these morning ones, here we came in the morning to go further, everything is floating here, it became clear that this is a critical, critical situation, we had to pull the karbos ashore, turn it over, remove the extra

wooden dowel, seal this hole and now in arkhangelsk we will remove the extra dowel... we will make this structure more alive, it is a wooden structure, it is different in that it moves, everything is there, everything is in in general, the components are sewn together, they should not be rigidly fixed, they work together with the water, which, in which the karbos goes, why build ships, first of all, wooden ones, yes, this is about beauty, yes, why do we need to build such ships? but in general, for me, this is the first ship that we are building as a replica, we have already built 10 karbos, we are building a modern schooner, i generally do not really like replicas, but here it is simply justified by the fact that we want to open this story, how it happened, here is a replica, it all depends on from the hull, which we sewed together without nails, from our oars, from the fact that we

only go with oars and sails, but here further on there are clothes, a telephone, this is already modern, i think that here there is no point for us to play this, there is no point in dressing up in some kind of rags, sharpening stone axes, we have a study of the technique of passage and an exhibition that will be in moscow, it will be called the technology of discoveries, not even about geography, that's exactly how all this was, and a samovar, well, like a samovar, samovar yes, we have been doing this since our first shipbuilding project, when the first carbs.

thanks to boats, because the pioneers knew how to build boats, they knew how to build boats on the sea, they went along a big river, let 's say, along the pechora, they go, they go up, uh, along some tributary, they run into the fact that the river has become too small, and they need to get to the urals there, they leave this vessel, build a small vessel, uh, a small boat, uh, they reach the urals, drag it, go down to the next tributary into the ob. they build again a huge vessel, a big vessel, some kind of boat or koch and so on, they were masters at building these vessels, and of course, these were wooden vessels, with... a huge chunk of history is connected with wooden shipbuilding, which we still think very little about somehow we mean this russian era of great geographical

discoveries in the 16th-17th centuries, when in just 60 years in one human life we ​​covered this huge distance to the pacific ocean, well, and what spaces we mastered, and thanks to boats, yes in mostly peacefully, because there was actually a war there, well, you can look at it, of course, they fought there, but they won, again thanks to the fact that we had a navy, and because the locals there - they didn't have tribes, they didn't know how to build such large ships, our cossacks on these wooden boats, they had fortresses, like - military ships equipped with firearms, they were elusive, well and thirdly, it's probably beautiful, considering that a wooden ship, unlike other materials, you can see how each one works detail. it's like in greek architecture, you have columns, you have a beam, you see how the structure works, you

get some visual pleasure from this, the same thing with a wooden ship, you see this keel, this powerful longitudinal beam that sets the entire scale, the entire length of this ship, you see how frames or ribs are attached to it. which set this entire volume, then there is the stem breakwater, which you feel how it works when it cuts this water, if just recently, about 50 years ago , wood in shipbuilding was the cheapest material, the most accessible, now it is an ecological material, it is a classic, it is a pleasure, getting pleasure from sailing on a wooden ship. build it with your own hands and sail on it, but of course, this whole process of transition there, this is, this is also solid physics, and it was possible to find

these connections, like finding ridges from a perpendicular river, we have our large main siberian rivers - they seem to run perpendicularly, flow from the south to north, how to go along them to the east, here we found these rises, how... here it was possible to roll, pokota, yes, portage, portage, how will you roll it right here on the logs, like yes imal'skie in portage so you will have to do, there is a long distance, no, not huge, there is somewhere around a kilometer, less than a kilometer, but 700 m, but there you will have to drag 300 km to drag the carbs against the current of the river, here for me, i just fall into a stupor 300 km against the current, you can't row it out, it... that means, either there must be a very good, clear wind, tailwind, or we'll go barge hauling, like the barge haulers on the volga, we'll wash, and if everything there is overgrown,

listen, in this big expedition, what is the degree of unpredictability, well, in general, the sea is always unpredictable, you know, it's in the international rules, there is a clear definition, the category of the vessel, it's called a vessel underway, this is a vessel that is not standing. the anchor looked, that it was not carried anywhere, it said, oh, that's it, here he can rest, his plane landed, it's not for nothing that these are sea vessels,

they are taken so much, so much in accordance with aircraft, because both are flights, and both are the hardest to maneuver during takeoff and landing, because the plane that he needs to land, it has to slow down, it becomes difficult to control. the same thing happens with a boat, when it slows down, a breeze blew, the vessel was carried sideways, no one knows where, here it is not allowed to maneuver at high speeds, at high speeds, that it will run into something, of course, there is a lot that is unpredictable, it is true that now modern technology, mainly space, gives the navigator, we see where we are on the map, what in general? i could never imagine any navigator, so that he 100% knew where he was, it was just, probably, bad taste, like that, that i know that i am exactly here, you can

find out the weather and choose good weather, well and of course... communication, but for us all this is compensated by the fact that we are going, we are basically amateurs, most of the crew members are people who will sit at the oar for the first time, learn to raise the sail, they will go to sea, especially the kara sea, it's space, consider it all as polarity, uh, so somehow our chances will be somewhere close to those people, when those pioneers once, they had a huge experience. they have been practicing this move in the sea since childhood, we have modern equipment, but no experience, somewhere we will be close to them, what should happen so that you can say, here is the expedition was successful, well, i think that even if we arrive on time, it will already be a great success, even better, if we manage to do it on time, we will be able to - to maintain this schedule, according to historical references we know that it took 2 months to get from arkhangelsk to mangasiya, and some

even faster, i can’t imagine: how is this possible, it will be great if we don’t turn on the engine, if we don’t ask to be towed, i really hope for this, that we will be able to maintain this, and this will actually be from the point of view of research - it will be very good, it will be very good if we make a film, if we make a good film about this, which will tell how it all happened, specifically, how they were there tired, but rowed? how they dragged themselves in reality, what they encountered, this will of course be the best, probably, because the task of the project is not just to go for yourself, this is not tourism, well, and not even to give lectures, not some kind of personal research, but the task in principle to tell the citizens of our huge country, to show how interesting it was, how exciting a story it was, to immerse a little in the topic of our fellow citizens,

because we know very little about it, and we don't have any ideas, well somehow they walked, well somehow they got there, but no one interfered with them, like, yes, it really was something big, a very movement, this, this needs to be known, then it will be possible to be proud of this, then maybe we can think about it, make films and so on, here is our super task to make a good film, where everything will be, how where how we go, how we uh set the sails, how we storm, how we wait for the weather there or, on the contrary , go, take risks, so if we... can show all this, it will be a success, and what is supposed to be wish captains and crews before such an expedition, if some ritual, 7 feet under the keel, fair wind, and weather, weather and weather, everything depends, then let's wish this unique expedition from arkhangelsk mangazeyu fair wind, 7 feet under the keel , good weather, in general all sorts of luck,

because it i... will not hurt in such a difficult matter. thank you. with you was the podcast schrödinger's cat, and we talked about the expedition on a wooden karbas from arkhangelsk to siberia. and with us is our captain, the captain of this expedition, leader evgeny shkoruba. you can find all episodes of the podcast schlödinger's cat on the website of the first channel. 1tv.ru. dear friends, the podcast creative industry is on the air, with you are still living real copies of the hosts, this is still elena kiper, producer clip maker, and i will not touch yet, i need to make sure, roman karmanov, ceo of the presidential fund for cultural

initiatives. managing director for data research of the largest bank, i am very glad to be here, hello, we did not just start so tidbitically, because indeed, artificial intelligence is a topic that everyone hears about, but very few people understand what it is, everyone is already afraid , wary, well, in general, of something, but they don’t really understand what, in fact, i have the same. such, in fact, artificial we know a little, we use it, remotely, what artificial intelligence is, let’s first at least figure out what kind of thing intelligence is, there is absolutely no need to be afraid of it, since we started with this, it is a tool that helps us do different things, that is automates some part of our intellectual work, mainly the routine part, artificial intelligence - this is actually usually implied by some kind of neural network, what is a neural network, a neural

network is a kind of, you know, you can imagine it as a black box that takes something as an input and gives something as an output, this is exactly how we imagine it as black, what is inside the black box is some kind of mathematical function, a function that now, for example, lies behind, for example, generating a picture from text, has, well, there are billions of parameters, that's why they are so complicated. what should an ordinary person who is now sitting in front of our digital, still tv, know about artificial intelligence, here - within the framework of such everyday understanding of artificial intelligence - this is artificial intelligence - this is such a black box, you can imagine it like this, which everyone has just imagined now as black. what to do with it? which learns to make some decisions, these decisions can be a huge number of tasks, actually, which it solves, that is, you take some amount of data, well, let's say, some amount of knowledge, well, let's say, you take all the volumes of leo tolstoy, load them into

this black box, and it can give you, well , let's say, another volume of leo tolstoy, for example, well, in a sense, yes, that is , this function learns in this way, that is, the parameters are configured in this way , this

time, it turns out beautifully, especially the last one , but the very fact that this can be done is an indisputable fact in my opinion, but in fact, i can say this, that really this is the area of ​​​​artificial intelligence, it is now being democratized, such a term, maybe it is a little complicated there, but i will try to explain what it means that artificial intelligence can now be studied already from school, say, from the ninth grade, sometimes someone from the seventh, in general they study at a good level, which was unimaginable 10 years ago, that is, there really

is a level of mathematics, the level of interest of schoolchildren and sometimes even the quality of educational programs, which are actually on artificial intelligence and are made, they allow in this science, and it really is on...

there are some images, there are ideas, fantasies and so on, in order for him to put these images on paper, well, that is, it was necessary to acquire certain skills, he had to go to study, become an artist, a musician and so on, now it turns out that with the help of artificial intelligence you can refute this for me or confirm this, that is, you can put these images from your head, so to speak, into a neural network, it will create a picture for you, which.

create pictures, for example, you can draw a sketch ask to make it

realistic, also a task for a neural network in general, such as kandinsky, for example , the neural network is named after the great russian artist, who came up with the idea that it would be named after the great artist, you know, we have actually been working on this task for a long time, about 3 years already, and our first model was called that, it was rudali, she came up with it herself, in short, yes, so we know, we kind of thought about how to animate it or something? say, make it more recognizable, and we decided that it was created in that moment 3 years ago, abstract objects, and we kind of thought, what are the russian artists who painted in the abstract style, generally speaking, the first first model was called the smallest malevich, of course, then we made large versions of the models, that's how the kandinsky model line appeared, there is also neurocity, which also in general well...

secondly, to improve the current architecture, even western, there is a huge scope for improvement there, and kandinsky line 2, here is kandinsky 2.02122 - these are three models, they have unique architecture, we even have a set of articles where we talked about this architecture, in general... this model is known, well, in fact, all over the world, in, say, scientific, in

the scientific community, in the community of people who use the model, this is the first reason, to move progress, the second reason is that - if we just use other people's neural networks, then we are in some sense limited in what content, how can we influence the creation of content, actually, what we put into the model, we cannot put into the model, if it is not ours, then what could we put in if it were... ours, roughly speaking, well, you understand, yes, that the model learns from data, and we can, for example, make a model that better generates russian objects, russian entities, it is clear that western networks, neural networks, they certainly saw, there is the kremlin, and some iconic russian objects, and a character, it is still unknown what kind of kremlin, well, that is , what kind of kremlin will be there for exactly that , yes, that is, they do not specifically set the task of making it so that it generates a model, their task is simply to generate everything in general, but we can set the task of... and how to show the models a lot of our data of such

domestic cultural code, and this concerns not only the domestic cultural code, it concerns any types of data that we want to show the model, and for this, of course, we need to make our own developments. we continue the podcast of the creative industry, today our guest is denis dimitrov, and the person who created the neural network kandinsky, with you as before elena kiper and roman karmanov. and what successes are recognized? zakandinsky already that, that it does better than analogues, let's say, analogues analogues are probably the wrong word, well , it seems, then, neural networks that solve the same problem, generating images from text, for example, although, in what are we cooler, although kondinsky generates videos, now yeah, now, well, that is, already, as if already, we recently presented a model that generates videos, called kandinsky video, although probably it should have been called something like tarkovsky, well, we called kandinsky video, we will continue this line, that's it, but what

does better, knows the domestic cultural code better, of course, this is what we actually set for the model, what task, and we will certainly develop this further, what is the problem with russian data , here is knowledge of the russian domain, in that there is russian data, of course, there is less of it in what the model learns on, it learns on data from the internet, that is, on open image pairs. description, it kind of captures data at the time of the request, no, naturally, there is a team that deals with data, and that is, there is data it already contains, it does not search the internet at this moment, no, not by any means.

of course, the data development team is responsible for this and this is a super-important activity and the team itself, because not half, but more than half of the entire success depends on it, and after the data is stored, here they are in this c3 storage, you can actually train the model, yeah, training the model is just this iterative viewing of this data and changing this huge number of parameters.

begin to allow this artificial intelligence into your life, not to allow, here are the areas that we already actively use artificial intelligence, who has already grabbed onto this, first of all, designers, we have a special tool called fusionbrain.ai and there it is such a developing photo editor, now in general recently it has been very popular to make a photo editor based on or rethink current photo editors like photoshop, integrating ai there, why is this useful? because it is clear that you can create pictures and edit them based on text pictures are much, much easier than actually drawing them yourself, which is what people used to do, it took a huge amount of time, now it’s enough to just write in text, the picture will be generated, you don’t like some area, you paint it over, draw what you want, it really simplifies the work of designers, and very

much so, that is, the ability to not just generate an image, but also edit it with the same text, yeah, and what’s more, draw not just one. picture, but a whole one, a whole collage of these pictures or a whole panel, that is, you have created a gift for designers, is it necessary, is it necessary now for a designer, some designers are afraid of this, that we are somehow automating their work, in fact , this is not the case at all, because artificial intelligence is a tool that allows you to simply optimize work, it is in any profession, and design is no exception at all, there is a routine part of this work, it needs to be as quickly as possible in my opinion, as possible...