how to live, and i will kind of teach you, yes, i will tell you how not to, here you did something bad and so on, when a person inside, 44 years old, he was a mature person, and mature, but at the same time still energetic, not to believe a man, and even he did not treat the cane so harshly, as yes, that's why i say, he cannot treat the cane harshly, because he is a young man, at the same time he is already a mature person, that is, he understands nicks for here i am reading a book and i see that he is quite harsh.

tell me, please, about how you do it lived, maybe, the origins of your attitude, no, probably not, although maybe yes, you know, i do not think that the crime is rooted in adultery and not in passion, and not in love, if it can be called love, but it seems to me that the crime is that she manipulates people, does not give them anything, and let's say, when i went through a divorce, perhaps the most painful, it was that very moment when you cannot agree with a person, you offer different options.

life, so you went through a divorce and we are talking about sozhai kitty history, thank god that everything turned out this way, well let's say, reading the novel, you have a feeling that he describes the situation, here's how it could be today, or do you feel the difference in times of these rules, it's clear that now divorce is absolutely not, you don't become a couple, yes, you don't need to go through, oh my god, what is it called, not the bishop's, where the synod makes a decision once?

yes, the kolenion is absolutely wonderful, they both care about her, can i introduce a little, let's say, historical truth, that's the thing that the divorce process in the 19th century is more complicated than today, it is really more complicated, if anna is accused of adultery, yes, she cannot legally remarry, and accordingly the children cannot live with her any longer, that is, if the situation really comes to light as it is. she

loses the opportunity to marry vronsky, officially, and this is very important, officially, so she cannot keep seryozha, but the option that karenin offers, well, the one who persuades tiva karenina, and he agrees, this is a situation when karenin takes the blame, accordingly he cannot marry a second time, and he cannot live with seryozha, moreover, imagine giving a ten-year-old child, to be brought up by a woman who... cheated on you and lives with some other man, well, stop it, he could look at this completely, prevented anna from taking advantage of such a generous offer from karenin, here i have such, why did she refuse that she is a stupid woman, that such a mind, here she really did not want, so that karenin would look noble, because everyone understood that he had not cheated on her, everything would still be laughable, she did not want to set up her husband like that, well, what does it mean to set up,

let's try to answer the question: why did the novel about adultery become the pinnacle of world literature? well, conditionally, yes, we will rely on authorities here. it seems to me that there are several points here. the first is, firstly, not only the novel, that is, we take this line as the main one, but in fact, if this novel did not have such a number of very interesting characters, diverse, each one that develops, somehow comes into contact with anna, each one has their own story in it.

love is forbidden, as you know, yes love is one of the bright feelings, and a person begins to show himself in different ways, experiences very sharp emotions, precisely because it is such a bomb in itself the concept of forbidden love, secret love, love there is impossible, yes and this is in it there is great energy in the situation itself and in those emotions that a person experiences, and the very feeling of love is the same fori. this is suffering, this is a lot of everything, there are a lot of such novels, but for some reason it is anna karenina that is considered the opposite, that it shows very, very accurately and a lot what happens to a person inside, it seems to me, this is psychology, it seems to me, this novel, in principle, and it is not

even about love, it seems to me, this is a novel about pride, interestingly, and it seems to me, this is a novel about pride, everyone in this novel goes through a long path and with their own. someone does not go through this path and it leads him to the destruction of the whole world, because someone does not, someone copes definitely, too much potential that was used incorrectly, great potential, but... let's say it this way, as it seems to me, not on the side of good, tell me, do you consider the charm of this novel, its mystery, its miracle, what is it, i think that the charm of this heroine is a narcissist, what do you think, this is really, i repeat, this is the path of a narcissist and a manipulator, which each of us has encountered, or you can recognize

yourself, this is a mirror, including the rather harshness of a narcissist, a magnificent part of a woman and the destruction of personality, destruction personalities, with impunity.

to do some nonsense, in the end all the bad girls get their punishment, yes, he painted her, so to speak, as a bad mother and so on, that is, we can understand that the girl is bad, a very bad girl, but it seems to me that the strength of this novel is that tolstoy still loves her, he, as a man , is fascinated by this sexual force that brings destruction, like the goddess kali, you understand, that is, this is also a simple woman. there are women like kitty who give birth to children, they are good mothers, tolstoy loves them admires, of course, but his soul is torn to such women as her, and i think that this is a wonderful portrait of a fatal woman, based on such a paradox of the author,

well, of course, otherwise such a magnificent novel would not have turned out, girls, thank you for coming to me, this was a must -read podcast, i had as guests ... art critic ilina grichina and writer ekaterina barbanyaga, i am the director-writer oglana nabatnikov and the host of the podcast. into good people bad, everyone was divided by the childish breed, we played pirates in the brave on the wandering seafarers, any trouble was forgotten, and

was lost in the distant expanse, and we never believed that it was ending, that it would end, that the blue sea was ending, you were our ringleader, the sea devil, in a log vest, you drove your father's barge, fearlessly to the raging waves, a school bag... throwing it away, you sat astride the fence and

cried clinging to the binoculars, the blue sea does not end, does not end, does not end, but one day a gunboat sailed in. for you, uninvited, unexpected, and such a tasinbat, a marekhon, suddenly took you away to distant lands, as a farewell you, as always, she screamed, see you soon, because. because our

blue sea never ends, never ends, never ends, we swore to forget you, we did not forgive you for betrayal, but a strange cry of a steamship siren soared into a tumultuous height, and then a letter flew in, like grief uncovered by anything, there was one revelation in it, it ends here, it ends here. the blue sea ends here, it ends here, it ends here,

the blue sea ends here, hello, this is a podcast 20 years later, with you host konstantin mikhailov. and alexander anatolyevich, hello, our guest is honored artist of the russian federation, tatyana bulanova. hello, tatyana, your repertoire includes many songs, there are some funny ones, i listened to them last night, but you have found the people's love as a performer of such lyrical songs about the hard lot of women, that's how it all came about, that you are the best at understanding this, somehow, i don't know, the viewer, to the public, because to me, and the ability, probably, that this is how reliably you convey all this to

after me, and i think that it will always be a huge number of performers who sing sad songs, but i sound like i really lived through it all, i remember there was an interesting story , there was a song like this, remember, sleep my little boy, sleep my son, i'm not crying anymore, everyone thought that i was raising a child alone, so that my husband would leave me, although this was not so, i was married to my first husband, nikolai tagaryn. at the dacha , some young man came to my friend's house and he decided to court me and a friend says: are you crazy, that she is married, that is, it seemed to him so much that i was crying, that it really was so, but... it's like the same as an actor, when he plays the role of a murderer, everyone thinks that he is a murderer, there when he plays, he thought that he had a single mother, to help in the court, so it is not just a song, a played image, and for a long time, forever, it is not played, it is i just i sing, i i don't even understand, in fact, when i perform, i'll tell you honestly, when i am there in the studio i sing, one take, two, three, four, it seems to me, they are the same and there on the fifth one he says that it is necessary,

it seems to me that they are absolutely the same, as before, as after, i don’t even feel it, that is, this is purely external somehow... he connects, such a title of the main mourner of russia, i never wanted to change, the most tearful folk singer, that’s how they say, in general yes, it seems to me that there is not so much a sense of humor, and even my friend alena apina once said in an interview, she says, it’s generally hard to find a more positive and cheerful person, but still you have there were marriages that broke up, what should a man do, cheating is excluded? so that you would think that everything, this is not mine, for me in general all my life it has always been that there is a mother, a father, and a husband is the third person after parents, a close one, then children come, by the way, this was already the case with the first one, but then this happened in my life, i don’t know, drama, probably, that i fell in love, i left, and with the second husband, as if something did not coincide between us, somehow our views on life and

upbringing were not the same, well, somehow something was not right, i honestly admit that i endured for 11 years, somehow smooth it all over, and then he didn’t give it, well, screw it, although i’ll be honest, it was very hard for me to take this step, i’m the kind of person, how can i say it, for such family values , for example, i have a third husband now, he me, well, there already before marriage with him, we lived together for 3 years, i have a wife, i say, i’m not a wife, i’ll be a wife when we get married, and what does he do, he has restaurants and all sorts of businesses, i’m just opening a restaurant, by the way, a businessman in moscow, well... i think it's an ideal combination, a creative person and a person who is engaged, he is also creative, he really likes the songs of the nineties, he comes to my concerts with pleasure, you have a business streak, you want to open some kind of cafe there, a store, something is missing, so he opened a restaurant in st. petersburg, he kind of named it after me, and i come, i just go there very often enough, i know that people come to see me, and i

am a very responsible person, i understand that i need to take pictures and talk to everyone, well, like this, like a hostess, but if. tatyana says that she won't succeed, it means absolutely nothing, why? because tatyana thought that she wouldn't succeed with music, she already thought in childhood that it wasn't her thing at all, and that it was done under duress, salfeju everything else, no, music school is absolutely done under duress, and in the literal sense, because somewhere in the fifth grade, i remember, chairs were thrown at me, and my mother was a completely calm person. i just say, i don't want these some scales there, why do i need a third finger, here is a fifth, and it is comfortable for me to play like this, i am generally a person who does not lend himself to any kind of training at all, if somewhere i need to learn something, everything immediately feels bad to me, i am not well, everything is give me water, everything is a temperature, and mom at some point i basically said that i am giving up everything, mom says no, you will finish, i say, okay, i will finish, but i will leave, i spit more don’t remember anything at all, leave me alone with my

music, i finished, i have a diploma, that i graduated from music school, now i practically don't know a single note, son. i don't know the notes, but i have a very good musical memory, i can remember a melody, well, practically from the second time, that's 100%, my pitch is perfect, you sing live all the time, well, basically yes, and what is harder to get into your own track with a backing track or you know, you know, it's emotionally harder to phonogram, because it doesn't have those emotions, but we live, there you can somehow and something there, like add some paint there, i don't know, well, it's easier, freer to live when you sing, i watched the videos last night. i watched your live albums, i cried, i left my clear light on a separate tab, so that the tears dry up, i take off the light, then i want to cry about something, i take it off again, it's like sarbet after a meal, so that it doesn't get boring, my favorite song, my beloved, after all, yes-yes-yes, i still play it at discos, i assure you, my dear tanechka, my hands

go up, happiness, smiles, dancing, whiskey, at any age, i'm pleased. true, well, it seems to me that the video played a huge role in this song, it was filmed by volodya shevelkov, but i honestly admit that kolya tagrin and i offered to help with the editing, because volodya, it seems to me, was a little shy, because i had some expressions like this, i say: don't be afraid, just try to do everything that was so funny, so cool, and he somehow edited it a little bit wrong, then we re-edited it and it turned out like this, well, it seems to me that it's good when you feel that this is yours or someone told you or like this... how did you come to believe in what you need to do in life, i'll say, as a child i wanted to be dramatic actress, but i was absolutely so uptight, so all some kind of and i have to go out there to show some kind of. it was absolutely unrealistic for a child, it would not have worked out, i understood this and i decided that i would enter the leningrad institute of culture, then there was still

some department there, so there were some kind of theatrical productions, something else , i mean, i would loosen up and then a springboard, i remember in the chapter it was a springboard in the theater, well, in general, right from the first moment i came with a guitar, a string, well, and how did i get a ticket for organizing holidays and holidays. naval academy oh yeah and he's like that yeah yeah he was a submariner and he says my mom is like that although dad also sang in principle but mom

was all about art in pop music there's all this and i think that the fact that i became a singer is probably 80 percent thanks to her and dad says there's a vacancy in the library he says well that's it i went to work and the vacancy was in the foreign department there's the fifth department in the academy and there are foreigners there were real ones, there were germans, poles, who didn't know russian, they were taught russian so that they could read all these textbooks, like all this, they organized such - open lessons of russian language, when they told some russian traditions, whoever could show something, that someone embroidered here, i say, i can sing with a guitar, so i remember, it was on new year's, i sang some romance, i really really like zhanna bichevskaya now, i generally think that this... at that time

at least, i didn't understand anything, that he sings, when she sang, there is the song of my life, it is simply like first love, she eats up your heart, that is really something, i was 17 years old there, and i understood what she was singing about, it is cool, what is the song about in general, yeah, i sang something like that, i sang everything, as if i sat back down in my place, there were some tables set. and a yugoslav officer was sitting, well, naturally for me he was an old man, he was about 35 years old, oh, but i was 17, he was 35, he says, are you still going to sing, i say, no, then i went, and he said, not really there how to do something pleasant, and he asked, will i do it again, i say, no, that's it, i went, really got up and left, then some other foreign listeners also came up, i remember some golden voice, i even came, somehow a golden voice, and then i think, maybe i should really go in foam, because with acting it's unlikely that something will happen. well, people like it, it seems, it seems like yes , nothing, nothing, with me in the guardroom, just a different situation, the exact opposite, they come up to me and say: will you sing again? i say: yes, gets up and leaves. on air podcast

20 years later we have a wonderful tatyana bulanova as our guest, here is fame, it was there, it collapsed or was it still there gradually, the group letye sad was formed in the ninetieth year in december, yes in the ninetieth. the first album, which was completely passed by, no recognition, nothing happened, then in the ninety-first year with this is not a cry somehow it seemed like they heard from us, we so slowly, slowly began to gain momentum, only in the ninety-third year such a big first tour in the fall happened in the far east, we worked on there were four concerts a day, i'm sitting in the dressing room, there's a dressing table, some kind of light bulb, and i just had this thought, damn, if we 've flown so many kilometers there, 9:00 or whatever. people come to our concerts four times a day across the entire country, so we really are probably popular, that is , not fame, but i think, probably , after all, probably this popularity has come, that's all, that's the first thing, when i

realized that they kind of know us, at the shlyager 91 competition there was a grand prix for the song not pay, unexpectedly for everyone, i admit honestly, that's probably when the realization came, it was necessary to receive an award to say thank you, the grand prix don't cry, that was also separate there. history, it's so wonderful, by the way, there was a competition, honestly, we just came there, ninety-first year, may, and kolya tagrin, he worked in the yabloko group, in general, well, there were some acquaintances there, well, not producers, then there was no such word, even, administrators, probably, i don't know, organizers of all sorts of all this, and he called a familiar organizer, who i was just working on this competition, listen, he says, seryoga tells us, can we, well , like, just insert broadcasts, so that we are seen, well, someone recognizes us, we came, that is, sang there for a day or two. on the third , like, they sort of understood, that we can somehow, well , like, even take something, although they didn’t think about it at all, and the voting was wonderful, as they would call it now sms,

then naturally there were no phones or anything. in the large concert hall oktyabrsky there were such columns on the columns there were just bags white polyethylene, glued with tape , the name there, let's say, a group, i don't know , a boy, a group, a summer garden, i don't know , ticket stubs, probably not, they gave out to everyone who came in, just a piece of paper, took a white sheet of paper and threw it in, just an empty one, and like, well, that was it, that was the kind of voting, then when they were taking everything down , i remember anka, if you remember, and i, and you're not a lyochka, but i was so glad, she also participated, she had this, i was witnesses, she had a lot, there were a lot, migrated from her, from her package in some other one, that is, she became such a thin package, that is, these voices went away, and i remember that we put our man, said, so stand, count, because well, how would you count, we will already be arguing there if anything, i he came, says, listen, well, i counted 2,000 , i can’t anymore, and there is a hall of 3,700, we went in

honestly.

don’t cry, we have one more night left with you, i’ll whisper to you one more time, you are mine. one last time your eyes will look into mine, you will suddenly have a tear fall on my hand, and tomorrow i will be left alone without you, but you don't cry. don't cry, it so happened that fate

didn't give us, to be together, where was i before, how late i met you, but at this moment i... i know that now your only cry, i will hold back tomorrow, now, be with me for the last time, for the last time,

yeah. i can't help but think about you, i don't know how i allowed myself to take my love at that hour when i saw you and whispered.

but you understand, understand me, because you know how i love you, i love you. i know you so much, i know you everywhere i will find you, wherever you are, i will fill all the sheets with poems for you, and if i meet you i will stand among you. you, you will not turn away from my path then, i will steal you from everyone, and you will be mine,

then forever, you are mine forever,

tanya, you were then the personification of all maiden suffering, every girl considered you her friend, now who, who is the audience, the same girls who see too.

i had such a flower the first time, the second time i had little flowers in my head, the third time such a thing , she just came up with it herself, my wedding, that i do what i want, let's get back to the voice as the main working instrument, how to preserve it, do you do any special ones, maybe exercises, maybe you categorically don't eat or drink something, it's just that konstantin aleksandrovich recently took up vocals. well, first of all, if you know - the structure of the gartan, then here goes, as it were, the ligaments, yes, and the larynx, when we swallow, it passes here, or gas, on the contrary, i don't know here, as if i don't really know, it's also almost correct, in order to hit the ligaments, so that there is a good closure, you need peach oil, by the way

mofniator wonderful natalya, you need to take - an insulin syringe, lie down completely here in the nose half a syringe as if pouring, then it flows down the back wall gets checks, do not smoke, and nuts, probably, also categorically no, i heard nuts, chocolate, seeds, but honestly, i ate nuts somehow before the performance, there, well, no such thing, on the air podcast 20 years later, this is konstantin mikhailov, i am alexander anatolyevich, our guest is tatyana. let's remember that same ninety-first, when this moment is interesting, when there was no glory yet, there was some kind of dream, that if suddenly i then, of course, i dreamed of some beautiful outfit, a suit, in which you will all

sparkle, now almost all my dresses for concerts are like that of a gypsy, yes, but i like it and it seems to me that when you go out on stage and there is something distracting from even this is a kind of camouflage, because. it's not even about this , it's just that i still have a lot of stage fright and i worry a little, a little less than i did 30 years ago, but still no, i swear, i swear, and corporate parties, unlike concerts, i love corporate events. because firstly, it's only 30-40 minutes, well, an hour maximum, yeah, everyone's dancing, everyone's so happy, like everyone's singing along, i really like it, it reminds me of the beginning of our activity, when we worked at discos mainly and people were dancing there, i like halls less, i always get nervous, because when people tell me everything, what are you going to show me now, come on, what can i show, my god, i can't really do anything like that, i can show you a dress, well, the dress turned out, yes, and if it happens that the dress does not not particularly shine, in general , also somehow i, well, i don’t know, i always adore corporate parties with such a schedule, i hope

it’s very tight, both then and now, when we have time to accumulate energy to be at home, to be a wife, to be a mother, unfortunately, very rarely, and i understand that after that, if i have such a really intense schedule, so tight that i can’t breathe at all, i need at least a week, well , okay, there are 3 days, so that i just lie at home or sit at home there, i watch tv, i there was no need to put on makeup anywhere. hours, and the train is fast sitting, or this

compartment with clinking spoons, saying i like night ones, 23:30 leaves, arrives at 8:30 you can sleep and it is comfortable, it has a tv, it is with this is a classic, at night you are here, early in the morning, you you dump everything in principle the night passes like well, a private compartment without snoring neighbors naturally and separately, i once traveled in plastic cars in a compartment and everywhere, god, yes, yes, of course, i can imagine what the ends were. well, there was a period when like once corporate parties appeared and we understood about in the nineties, i really didn’t get out of the tour, i wasn’t at home, i remember some kind of shoes i had autumn, i think, or some kind of winter, i didn’t wear autumn or spring shoes, because i wasn’t at home, i come for 2 days, i arrive there, change things in the suitcase and again we go there for three weeks for a month when the opportunity arose just like that, well , how to feed the family no longer with concerts, we generally refused. and to be honest, i had an anniversary concert, well, already there 4 s to a year

back in october, and i liked everything so much, it was great, and we started it again, now there were several performances in the moscow region, that will be somewhere there, well , so little by little, somehow we are returning again, and there were moments when you were recognized and asked to sing, i am not talking about rude lack of brotherhood, although this may also have happened, when people touched you directly carelessly, it happened, of course, it happened, and there were such periods, well, suddenly once,

of course, and rudeness happened, thank god rarely, can answer, don't worry, well, it happened, that there are fewer tours, they don't recognize me so often, there aren't so many engagements and corporate events, and i think that something needs to be done, something needs to be included, well, of course, a different dress is needed , something else, there were such anxious moments, wait, but i no, no, it happened, it always happened, of course, naturally it happened, that a little less there, that some. in the country, something is happening, the situation in the world, yeah, there, i don't know, somehow the album is unsuccessful, something like that happened, of course, but it's okay, i somehow always knew that i am an optimist in general such in life, i always knew that nothing, we will endure and then everything will be fine, we will work, now we will record something new, cool and in general i never gave up, your new album tanya breathe, according to the title of one of the songs, in what cases do i have to say to myself: tanya, breathe, in fact i... you know, here the artist comes out, when he goes on stage, no one knows what is happening,

he feels bad there, someone betrayed him, someone, i don’t know, scolded him there, he had a fight with someone or something else happened, by the way, i had such a story, well, such a sad one, my mother passed away, on the day of the funeral i had work and i deliberately did not cancel, because i understood that if i come home and just after the funeral i come home and just lie down, i might not survive, i just had such a connection with my mother, such a well, i don’t know, probably some kind of space, when of course she passed away, it was very hard for me, this work, it saved me, actually, that’s how tanya breathes, and i remember that on this day it is always very difficult to sing, because like... well, there is no tone, the ligaments are somehow not like they should be and there were a couple of songs that needed to be changed so that there would be a plus, because well, well, no, it doesn’t sound right, no one needs it, well, it’s not the right physics, everything doesn’t listen, the voice, yes, this is actually one of those moments, you don’t breathe there , don’t breathe, that’s it, or let’s say i understand that i need

to say something or sing, but i want to cry, but i don’t like this, in fact , despite the fact that i have the glory of crying singers cry just like that hopi zaplakat not ashamed somehow, i can cry , here went there backstage, and sob, here i started breathing, so that somehow here breathing, somehow here breathing, there you can drink some water, here all this goes away tears, an ideal man - if for a woman, then a person who respects a woman, who loves, who takes care of, appreciates takes care, yes, appreciates, the most important thing, well and of course the antonym of this is betrayal, well rudeness betrayal, some kind of bad manners, inattention, inattention, yes i to... that it was time to listen to the song "betrayal" performed by tanya bulanova in the podcast 20 years later. thank you very much for this frank conversation, it somehow became brighter and warmer. with us was the most popular, most beloved, most loving singer, also a mother and wife, honored artist of the russian

federation, tatyana bulanova. in the podcast 20 years later. thank you. the liner landed, the city, hello, he told me, i returned earlier and... you didn't know about this, i was in a hurry to see you, i rushed in a taxi, you opened the door for me, suddenly i couldn't get in invited, and you lowered your eyes and even

turned pale, i see my friend behind... such a shoulder, you said so embarrassedly that you weren't expecting me at all, well, how could you, after all, we believed in each other so much, i went into the kitchen, my hands were shaking so finely, you were standing in the doorway, holding her coat in your hands, i turned to you and said, quietly to her, you stay here, apparently he needs you more, i ran downstairs, you

screamed something to me to the end, and i only knew, you betrayed me, my beloved, the wind hit my face and the rain began to pound, well, how could you me, how could you betray me, my dear. well, how could you, how could you betray me, my dear?