tv PODKAST 1TV August 28, 2024 3:05am-3:41am MSK
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two stations, one in the state of utah, and one in canada on devon island, there is a second station there, and these are such cylinders, two-story, the diameter there is about 9 m, and the thinking society came up with such a project of a flight to mars, when - the return from mars is carried out at the expense of using martian resources, these stations they are kind of working on, this is like a small part of that plan. which they called mars direct, that is, directly to mars, so at these stations such serious long-term experiments are carried out, like we have there in moscow, the institute of medical and biological problems conducts these experiments, yes, these experiments sirius, mars 500, such long experiments with specialists, long experiments were conducted at those stations with the support of specialists, and many short two-week experiments are conducted, which are taken by the masses, most often they are participated in by ...
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and at the expense of what resources? at the expense of their own resources mainly, that is, yes, each member of the crew looked for their own way of support, yes, that is, my work supported someone there someone else supported, someone else went there for their own, but part of our team - it was a team for a competition - to send a private lunar rover to the moon, there was such a competition, so we had a team that made a lunar rover, and we took this prototype there to this martian station, and there it went in...
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controlled it, well, yes, yes, they are like that in spacesuits, because in this experiment you can only go outside in spacesuits, the spacesuits of course, are very simplified, very simple spacesuits, but still it is very, it is very inconvenient, and there it was very bright dusty sun, usually like on spacesuits there is a special shield that protects from the sun when yes, such during vkd, such a golden one, but there was none of that and we all wore glasses gold, well, i mean covered in gold purely, yeah, and we wore glasses, sun-protective glasses, that is, we had them under our helmets.
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there was a board engineer who was in charge of all the station systems, there was a geologist who determined the exit program, when we exited, he took a lot of samples, took pictures, he just taught at moscow state university in the geology circle, and he developed such a technique martian samples for this circle there on this expedition of ours, so there was a journalist, a journalist who wrote articles from there, although in fact the articles were written by the two of us, i also wrote, that is, we were from there in parallel.
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there was a bread oven there, but the supply was very small, that is, we could bake bread there two or three times for variety, basically it was all this kind of canned food and so we made various soups, cooked in turns, cleaned there in turns and usually a shower, a shower, or what? so, there was a toilet there, there there was a shower, but we had a limit on the shower, that is, according to the conditions... of the experiment , you could wash once a week, that is, we were there for 2 weeks, that is, a shower, twice, water procedures every day, well, wipes, we took wet wipes with us, like astronauts take, this is exactly saving water, that is , there we would have had such a tank of water and we would have it for the expedition, we would spend it, spend it, spend it, we would drink other water, and this was drinking water, that is, it went everywhere, that is, it went to the kitchen, that is, you need to it was very careful to wash dishes, to use little water, whether dishes, yes we washed dishes, but
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so, that is, it turns out that we processed them, unlike the astronauts, we had dishes, on the iss, yes, there are no dishes, we wiped them there, so quietly washed them off, like that. that we had a tank and we had to save it, but clothes did not need to be washed , so that means how we acted there, we had a set of clothes, that is, we did not have to wash them, we just took clothes, so for this time we simply saved them, we did not change them right away, well, we did physical education, we did physical education a little bit, because it was a short expedition, that is, many crews there usually do yoga, yes , because really... we had a staircase between the floors, we really, i tried to walk on it a lot, by the end of two weeks i really felt a lack of movement, because we could go outside two or three times a day for two hours, we had such a conditional oxygen supply on the batteries, but this is exactly like that - like
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an experiment, an exit into open space, yes , that's it two or three exits, you can walk around there, but we went out in turns, well - there weren't many simulators inside, because well, short expeditions, then they would put simulators, they would take up space, well... and there was deprivation there, these very different ones, that is, in terms of communication and so on, in 2 weeks we felt it, but there was a connection with the outside world, there was internet, short, you could call, you could call sometimes, yes, but - it was limited, there was no cellular connection, well, at that point, why they chose it, there was no cellular connection, the internet was limited in speed, and we usually spent 2 hours in the evenings writing reports on... in order to send articles to the media, to some with whom we communicated, so that our mission would be known, we wrote to loved ones, so we sent a plan for the next day's vkd, where we would go on rovers, we drove there on rovers, on the surface of the hypothetical mars, that is, well, there was a connection, but it was limited,
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it was important according to the conditions of the experiment, we continue the conversation with alexander khaklov about the mars experiment, with you anton shkaplerov. and did you feel that you were on mars? yes, we felt it, because this limitation, plus additional restrictions conditional for the experiment, those restrictions that people who go on a hike do not have, that is, we felt it, and the strongest sensations were in the second half of the experiment, already the second week, when it began, when on the one hand we got used to it, on the other hand, the outside world began to be forgotten, and there, in principle, it is not like that... cities, there are practically no planes flying there, such a deserted place, the only thing we sometimes mean at night saw one searchlight, very, very far away, this is the nearest airport, and at the end of the expedition a strong hurricane began, that is, clouds arrived, wind, some oblivion, we are in this station,
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darkness outside, no people nearby, because the nearest village is far away, there are few people, and there was like a sheriff's deputy watching us, if something happened, there was... a point where we knew the point where cellular communication works, we have to send two there people, so that they could contact the deputy sheriff, so that he could come and rescue us, if something happened, and so we would be the people who were watching you, we were not with you, well, no, no, no, we were alone, we really were alone, the people who were in touch, they were scattered all over the world, they were enthusiasts who played the role of the tsup, the deputy sheriff was watching us, who was also far away, so yes, that was during the hurricane, it was special, so we were sitting there in the evening, it means it was already dark, that this noise of the wind, such a feeling of extra-planetary, i remembered the iron star, tumansky andermeda, there is a moment when the star ice lands on a planet near the iron star, and there they are in complete darkness, with some
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scary jellyfish that were flying there, well , such a fantasy, i read it in early childhood, very vivid memories and there in the ute i felt all this in this shell, somewhere there is only light inside, darkness outside, and no one around, again about the experiment, were there any emergency situations that the specialists outlined? there were no special emergency situations, we had emergency situations that life simply gave us, once our toilet got clogged, we had one crew, and you had one toilet, yes, there was a toilet and well, there was a backup one, which was disposable, well, which was like this, so in the end, we, being partial faggots, used the backup toilet, because the main one was damaged, a crew member was doing everything incorrectly. it wasn't a simple toilet, but a toilet, let 's say, a regular earthly toilet, not a space one, a regular earthly toilet, but it was just like one of the crew members violated the instructions operation of the toilet, ruined it, and we used a spare one, such a malfunction, comparable to a space one, like you have there at the regul station, what can it do, maybe it will be useful to us here on earth, so that we don’t
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lose ours, he clogged it, he simply clogged it, threw in the wrong thing, well , to put it simply, yes, he clogged it, like on trains, it’s a bummer, yes, a space toilet is definitely not for him, well, yes. yes, yes, then he repented, apologized, let them repair it, that they cleaned it, well, they cleaned it, in the end, yes, they suffered with him there, yes, well, well, plus we had lack of water, well, such, that is... exactly what is simply in life, but not that we were told that such and such an abnormal situation will happen to you, you will work it out, that is , life itself is quite harsh on this station, it is not comfortable enough for a person to feel some kind of severity, which is not there on mars, the conditions are like on earth, but for it to be hard for people, the living conditions themselves, they are not simple, and were there any funny cases, i don’t know, in my relationships in the crew, someone got into a fight. he swore, on the contrary, he withdrew into himself there, we felt a certain tension already
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in the second half, when the crisis begins , well, i don’t remember there, seven days or from what nine days, there is a date when a crisis appears in the team, some of the crews began to play computer games for a very long time, so that they could afford it, they could afford it, there was free time, well, at night they played, they played at night, no, they didn’t play, what did they do, they didn’t sleep, so they worked during the day with with such eyes, they were just relieving stress. computer games, for example, for example, also happened because of this deprivation of communication, deprivation of some sensations, feelings began to dull, especially in the team, i felt, i saw, for example, they began, for example, to drive too fast in rovers, eh, well, it was quite dangerous, and clearly, at first they drove slowly according to the rules, as allowed, and in the second half they began to drive very fast, already quite dangerous, it was simply really dangerous that it was possible to collapse simply because... the dulling of feelings began, that is, this was felt, isolation affects, that is, we saw this, well, and we rode in spacesuits, we rode
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in spacesuits, yes, well, and the role of the commander was felt, yes, nikolai is the commander, that 's what his role was, he, well, he monitored the schedule, he made some major decisions there, he was in contact first of all with the flight control center, of course he, well, he did a lot, but there was a lack of overall coordination, after all, really... the team became a little tired, by the end tired, and there maybe we were no longer able to cope with keeping the team somehow - in good shape, that was already tired, felt enough. the martian station itself, where you were and in general the project itself was organized by the martian society, does it exist now and what does it do? and the martian society exists, it continues to engage in popularization, probably some significant contribution is not noticeable now. they work with students, hold a competition of martian rovers,
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work continues on the martian station, this is such a routine, ongoing work, they conducted some experiments, here, probably, their contribution was a little important in the past, for example, they met when he began to think what to do, they helped him with contacts, in gratitude he gave an observatory, when we were at the station, there was a small one there. and they also hold international student competitions of all kinds and even i managed to participate a few years ago, i put together a student team and we planned a mission to fly around mars and venus, there was such a story, sometimes they remember it, there are flight trajectories when you can fly around one or two planets without landing, but with fuel savings, it is very interesting. at the first stage to look at interplanetary flight, and we with russian students developed such a project, and we
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took the fourth prize place of the umric society, received a cup, commendable, what do you think, do we need such a martian station in russia, i think so, since its main direction is the maximum involvement of people, the institute of medical problems, they conduct serious, good experiments, yes, but these are long-term, requiring large resources. which are carried out with a large number of specialists, these are exactly such serious scientific experiments, and there are not enough of such simpler ones, which are trainings for preparation, even astronauts could undergo additional training there. alexander, let's fantasize, what will a person do in space in 50 years? i really hope that by that time a colony will appear on mars, that is, there will already be a city, there will already be - probably tens of thousands man and will be... a large number of bases on the moon in order to gradually turn the moon into such an industrial
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technological base for the production of space technology, for the exploration of other planets, to other planets, i hope, a much larger number of interplanetary stations will fly, without people, just automatic, with instruments, in order to explore all the planets of our system the way we are now exploring mars, so there is a prospect, of course, we will not fly to the stars yet, unfortunately, yes, but... i was the perfect wife, the perfect housewife, oh my god, is it really true, my own mother got her son drunk just to get him away from you, his parents are in a sect, they tried to drag me into it, my eldest daughter, when i gave him the cold shoulder, i became enemy number
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one, it's a lie, he beat me in front of my children, that is, very harshly. he beat me in front of my parents, i lost my child at an early stage, i wanted my child to have a father, i didn't forbid them to see each other, he deceived me, he said that he gave me a ticket to a sanatorium, i believed him, i fought for 2 months to get my son back, and no one even let me see my son, no one even let me... why didn't you inform irina when you and the child were hospitalized. i know her character, and it would have been another hysteria, and what about the accusations that i ruined the child. i have his medical record in my car now, where it says
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that the child is underweight. and according to the court's decision, who is the child with? it's been 2 years already, we are deciding, and after the divorce the child was with you, the child with me, of course, mom is the most beautiful , the best, do you want to go to dad, no more, he drank me up and did things to mom, or did not lag behind, what is this, i also asked, how is he this and how is he that, they are my rubies, that is, here is this to your sister pass the package, okay, oh, groom, hello, this is our first groom. anton 44 years old, senior mechanic for driving cars, lives in krasnodar, teaches knife fighting, is engaged in boxing, performs stunts. proud of the fact that he is a hereditary cossack, dreams of entering into an official marriage, admits that he rarely takes off his socks, warns that there are always a lot of guests in his house. anton's wife asked him
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to give up extreme sports and friendly get-togethers until she realized that he was an old-school man. hopes that irina will accept him as he is. look, anton, you came to fight for the bride, you are ready to take responsibility in such a difficult situation. can i, can i, please, i need to go out, no, we can't yet, they won't give him the child either, this is absolutely certain with the documents, i can girlfriend girlfriend you can let go, take the bag with the documents.
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let's do this your psychological showdown this is of course material. and why why so suddenly? well firstly i have a private house in the center of krasnodar, secondly, i am a rock musician, a stuntman, a stunt director, that is, as if i with this creativity, well, as if people come, we have picnics that i have a barbecue, that is, as if all this is possible, well cool, listen, what else can you live on, right, no, well, you have to live and work, of course, how about the woman who fell in love with you and you married her? i'll tell you one thing, i'm god 's judge, i married a woman who had two children, but we didn't have any children together, we didn't have any children together, listen, she fell in love with you as a rocker, like...
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acting fees, it's just that irina has a requirement for her future husband to give her his entire salary, because we have a mortgage and by the way, to cover expenses, you wrote, to cover all your expenses, i mean all my cover expenses, i can handle it myself, irina, here you wrote with yours, buy groceries, bring them there, will you close them yourself or will it fall on...
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the man will give his entire salary, look, you see a hole and there's an orange thing, i don't have it, i don't have ayansa, do you pay alimony or is your son already an adult, your son is 18 years old. you have one child, well, he 's been living with me since he was 6, now he's with you, and why? you won't believe it, why? just cross the road from my house like that and you're at school, that is, you're like normal parents agreed that it would be more convenient for him to go, and the ex comes to you with her son to see? well, my son comes to me, well, that is, a good relationship , but not even lessons, he went, did lessons there, by the way, they have everything. and the fact that you had experience of living with a woman with children, this will not frighten you, that this was an experience of living after a divorce from this wife, in any family
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stability in money is needed, but in creativity like his, you see, there was no stable income, and as i understand it, against this background there were some problems, you i like it, anton, i don’t see you together, for some reason, well... uh, it also seems to me that uh, because a rare man would undertake - so to speak, to sort out a situation, like the one you’re in now, it seems to me, a rocker, he’s a rocker to the core, you know, uh, so there will always be friends, but on the other hand, you won’t be burdened, i’m also very creative, i love music, i really love to sing, listen, i feel so... bad right now, honestly, i’m just shaking all over, maybe you can defuse the situation with a surprise and we'll start talking normally, we've prepared, we've got something to show,
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please, larisa, here she says that they don't suit each other, well then the chances are changing, to be honest, i've never sung this song in my life, so i know the first verse, the chorus, i know it a little from a piece of paper, i remember i was 10 years old and i was saving up for a new bike, i lived only with this dream, until i met you once, you emptied me. you invited me to go for a walk with you, i took the piggy bank and smashed you, hali-gali, paratrooper, we
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you were super, super eight, hali-gali, we were flying all night together, hali-gali, a couple of corpses, we were together. well done, generally a cool guy, didn't say much, but sang great, thank you, thank you, come into the room, come into the room, i was really shy, because well done, thank you, the atmosphere, she loves music, he loves music, they would have sung together. irina, are you ready for a new relationship? honestly? i'm not going to dump my problems on a man, i just asked you a question, are you ready for a new
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relationship, i'm ready to accept. yes, a companion life, a friend, a life partner, so that i need, here, probably, support, a strong male shoulder, anton, a musician, a rocker, he will not be a shoulder for anyone, by and large, well, i didn’t like it, it’s already clear, i ’ve already been rejected, meet the second groom, we’ll try our luck. well, let’s go, irina, hello, hello, my name is alexander, and i’m ready to teach you to fly not in a dream, on eva, alexander, 40 years old, driver, lives in
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nizhny novgorod, rides a motorcycle, plays chess and loves to cook on the grill, is proud that he bought a bus, dreams of learning to fly a plane, admits that he does not like to give and receive gifts. alexander's world turned upside down when he found out that his parents were covering for their unfaithful wife and were making her lover stay at their dacha. he hopes that irina will brighten up his loneliness. hello, alexander, well, i've heard all sorts of things here over the past 15 years, but for parents to cover for an unfaithful wife, well, who was picking around, your parents, well, in life in general, a lot of things happen, the hero's situation is also complicated, in its own way, there is also a drama in life, why
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so parents. i don't think it's hatred, but maybe it happens that people don't understand what they're doing, due to various reasons, for example, due to some external influence, that is , i think that in my case, my ex -wife simply processed my parents directly for a long time. and furs, no, not necessarily, i built a business for them, then i don't know, sasha, helped with the housework there, yes, that's exactly it, that she helped them, and since i was often gone, i went on business trips, i didn't even know that something needed to be done, something somewhere, well directly with my mother, communicated
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directly right away. with my wife, then she would do something, then do something else, and i didn't even know about it, and she would tell my parents that i was busy or didn't want to or couldn't, my parents didn't think that i was just refusing them, gradually year after year it turned out that i became such a scoundrel, that is , you don't communicate with your parents, now no, the dacha is to blame for everything, so it turns out that it was? they weren't there, he wasn't there, and they were covering for it, maybe they didn't keep an eye on it, but in the end, people of the old school, naive, maybe thought that it was a classmate, there, if they saw something, that, you already saw that they were directly covering for your, well, perhaps, perhaps it was so, they had no idea, but it is unlikely that anyone in their right mind would cover for infidelity to their daughter-in-law, you are a natural son, another thing is that you came and
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could say: came, stood in the stall, that's it, yes, that is, and i lived in the same way, i worked, that is , i earned there to buy something for the house, mainly invested in the dacha, my husband's parents communicate with his ex-wife who left him, they kind of left their relationship, and he himself does not communicate with them, to be honest, i am at a loss, so maybe there was nothing there with his wife with anyone, but well... as
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a matter of fact, when i asked her, well , that's how people say neighbors, she simply answered me that well, let's break up. that's it, that is, i was not even ready for this answer, i did not plan to break up there, i was for family values, i thought, well, maybe he will just stop hanging out, for example, will be with me more, as if to devote time to me, or my interests will be taken into account somehow, and she simply said, well , let's go our separate ways, well, you see, even if he was ready to forgive betrayal, but he loved, apparently, this is such a thing as love, you know.
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as if he puts it incorrectly, no, i don't communicate with them, unless we quarreled, because now she communicates with my ex-wife, with her new husband, well, just the same, well, there is a child, your common one, and a child, yes, no, so, mother, your mother, communicates with her grandson, well so they also spend holidays together, well, you know,
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to his parents, and he doesn't communicate with them, with his parents, honestly, i just can't wrap my head around it, i'm just speechless, only emotions, here's a camera, listen, let me help you, you can now say that they will watch this program directly, say there, mom, i was a fool, i miss you, let me say for you, i'm not angry at my parents, i don't hold any grudge against them at all. well, tell them to go there, that you will buy sausage now, crown and come to them simply, but what if my mother did not always support me, or rather never, only after i separated supported your wife, yes you
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need to pray to your mother, you know why, because mothers-in-law usually eat their daughters-in-law alive, you understand, and sons do not want to stand between their mother and daughter-in-law, your mother... the wisest woman, i agree, everyone who watches tv now, whose mothers-in-law die of envy in front of the screens, what are you talking about, sasha, tell your mother, mom, i was a fool, look where mine is, here i am dubbing, like mom name? alla, alla, so your son was a fool, he is very worried, but you are older, take a step, but you are smarter, listen, take a step, the first one, call him directly, call, well, how much life is there, your son is already 40 years old, your grandson is 16 years old. make peace, well, even if you did not quarrel, well, get together, 4 years is too long, but i do not mind, no matter how you twist it, he is a son, no matter what he is and how there, i think, how can you not communicate at all, this word, why were they not on his side,
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by the way, why do you need buses, i like to travel, well, how would this be connected with work, then i liked it myself , collect. it's so bad that it's become less common now, well, yes, and what do you do, well, we cook, cook, relax there, we have musical instruments, guys, those who have a voice, or some talents come there, well, with electric guitars, it's been my whole life, no, only after once. a brilliant solution from a person who is lonely, most likely, because well, i can't imagine a person who, well, communicates, lives in society, and, like, buys a bus for friends.
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