school club, by the way, earlier, for example , when i was studying even at the institute, we didn’t have this, but for example, maybe in your childhood it was, there used to be stations of young technicians, houses of young technicians, now they are becoming not just like houses of technopa, yes, they are now this fashionable word technopark, they are becoming technoparks with new good equipment with which you can do some kind of, well

, bring young technicians somewhere separately, but now there are a lot of them, and this is possible, and all this, the most important thing, it’s all free, here many, many parents, think that oh, yes, there they show us how children assemble something there, how much does it cost, nothing to the child, it's like in soviet times, the so-called clubs, that is, free, free from school, well , basically, time, children can come after school, well, having done, hopefully, a home building. to this club, there is everything necessary, i mean equipment, mentors who can teach you to do something, well, what is already a matter of this, and you can fantasize something of your own, and the most the main thing is that if suddenly mentors and teachers are watching us, there are now a lot of opportunities to receive grants for the development of some project, there are opportunities, well, really to receive at least such a small amount of funding, support, and also , by the way, i forgot to say, here's something important, there is also...

he rode, won everything, he met there when he works there, rode here anton shkapler in orlyonok somewhere else and at the end he says guys, everything is great, everything is thank you, but i realized that i'm interested in this, here's what i anton told there about sevastopol or about submarines and about underwater. in technology, yes, i want to go there, it's mine, even if it happens like that, it's already cool, that is, even so that he doesn't waste another 6 years of his life at the institute, on the fact that he doesn't like it, yes, that is, and he won't go to work, i was impressed by this, a guy won an olympiad, a national-technological olympiad, and he comes out and says: "guys, great, i won the olympiad on big data, but i realized that i don't want to work in big, i now i have been working with the team for 4 days and you..."

the satellite, its flight, interaction with ground stations and so on, another, how old is this child, how old, eighth, tenth grade, eighth, tenth grade, eleventh grade, that is, up to 17 years old, yes, we give the child a run for his money, yes, we hold webinars, we give it, we explain the material, that is, they calculate, murtazin was there as a guest, quaternions, euler angles, rotations, they calculate all this, they need it to solve the target problem at the olympics, they need to rotate the satellite there in a magnetic field, they do all this, but naturally, they do it not because they are geniuses, yes, and there are geniuses, legends, but there is also just preparation, that is, we systematically give them tasks of varying difficulty levels, so that they

try, poke around and then solve this problem. we continue the conversation about space education with yeya ovchinnikov, i am anton shkakov. uh, ultra-short waves, where some kind of photo is transmitted, and so that he can see how the photo appears, so that he can assemble some kind of mosaic with his hands, well, connected with ships, designers, work-technicians, through this he also sets a kind of space connection,

they understand that they are assembling a robot not just one that rolls along the earth, but there they collect lunar soil or something else, we even have such a thing as young professionals, and roscosmos also supports this direction. there is a space track, and there is a direction for kids in general, first grades, they also assemble satellites there, they also through all sorts of, well, that is, there is special programming for work-technicians, kids, that is, all this is there also, well here as i understand it, to interest, first of all, the parents, that the first one will not go, will not assemble a team, here is what is interesting, that the parents participate up to the sixth grade, that's how we tracked it, that up to the sixth.

and that they set him a task, so he knows that he needs to come in order to send this task to the olympiad, to the competition and so on on time, that's the kind of story, that is, up to the sixth grade the parents are smart, then they step aside a little, and that's right, in fact, independently, the child grows, of course, and how many children who participate in your events go on to space education, many, many children go

on to engineering, but space education is smaller, what is happening now, when it has become very intensive, there was no, even then there was no, there was no in the 10s, there has been a lot of engineering education, now on... it has become much better, it has even become fashionable, it has become fashionable now, and moreover, if you are involved in space education, a child participating in space competitions, after assembling satellites you can programming, it's it, you can 3d model, it's engineering bridges, cars, rockets, any equipment, if it's

ballistics, then you're a mathematician, you're also an analyst, big data, that is, space in this regard reveals to you helps, right? yes , it helps and promotes unreal opportunities for you, i haven't said the most important thing, now there is such a program, when universities are given a grant for a satellite from organizations, private organizations, the triyu kubsad satellite is inserted, students, laboratories, universities and children who are at universities, connect and come up with payload, then this satellite is launched into space, this has never happened before, and almost all universities participate, baumenka, they also make their own platform, then in which universities do specialists train for by the way, earlier , even when i was entering, everyone talked about my balmenka, voinmekha, the most, now it is. who in krasnoyarsk is the siberian university of rishetnev, who in tomsk is tomsk polytechnic university

tusur, who in novosibirsk is the far eastern, this is amur state university, blagoveshchensk, for example, novosibirsk, this is novosibirsk state, yuzgu, many may not have even heard, in kursk there is yuzgu, which makes satellites, there are laboratories there, even further is the st. petersburg polytechnic, this is now... with satellites they are starting related, the moscow institute of electronic technology, this is the military mechanics, this is the mozhaisky academy, this is the kazan aviation institute, the moscow aviation institute, now in each of these universities they have all been transformed and there are space directions, many work with schoolchildren, well, in my opinion, this is wonderful when here's another satellite launched, a university launched its own satellite, you can connect to it, you can receive yes.

just in the sense that i understand that there are many very interesting things, there is such an opportunity, popularizing cosmonautics, that is , i do not leave teaching activities and hold events in korolev, for example, moscow region, because i understand that everything that i do at my main job, we are now testing it with children, with students, at the university, we hold shifts, we understand the feedback from children who participate in other shifts, for example, this is also very important, therefore. there is no such direction,

there is no such faculty, cosmonauts are trained, this is at the cosmonaut training center in the star city of the moscow region, but educated people come there, of course we have criteria for education, there must be a higher education, and before... historically we had in principle, basically it was only the air force that supplied pilots, these are ship commanders, rkk energia, engineers supplied, and a small the number of people who came to us were doctors, biologists, these are medical schools, so i can say that people come to us from different directions, of course there are people who come in and think that it is some kind of show to come or to be selected, because there is an open competition, but in general... the most important thing is that a lot of motivated people come and it doesn't matter what their profession is, the main thing is that it is

a higher education, the person was able to realize himself in this profession, to work in his education, well, we even have a criterion of at least 3 years, yes, to work, then he can already write a statement, describe, at least in his autobiography, what distinguished him at his work, so that he would not, by the way, but maybe he will be considered a student, if while studying at a university, you work at an enterprise, will this be considered? after university, because we believe that school, university, this is 4 to 6 years, and then another 3 years and, in principle , the body has already formed, the most important thing here is to understand, because we select not only by intelligence, but by health, therefore we must understand that the body has formed, so that doctors they selected not for one flight, that is, it is considered, well, two or three flights is the minimum, well , of course, it is better to have more, so that the invested resources, the person could work off, so that he could devote his whole life to space. this is hard, but very interesting work, but i am not only talking about cosmonauts, although they ask me as

a cosmonaut, how to become one, in general i am talking about space growth, of course, by the way, for me the motivating factor for entering the moscow aviation institute, coming to the red army energia in the flight test department - this was motivation to become an astronaut, that is, i, here at school, we also got into the same program in the star city, here alexander ivanovich lazutkin conducted the space shift of the cosmonaut training center for 10 days, i talked with... instructors, after that it inspired me, that is, to go to mine and i went to work for energy, here i unfortunately had to go through a selection process at the institute of medical and biological sciences for health reasons... but the very fact that even trying to get examined, trying yourself, how you understand engineering technology, is a very interesting activity, and even those, who will be selected, try to do this, because this is, well, this is cool, especially i imagined, i am on energy

, you are flying into space, and we are also on energy. and the enterprises are preparing for this flight, and in 2 weeks together with the sup we are practicing the training of the soyuz ship flight, i was just on the team, this is great, i was a crew, a tester, a tester, a crew, i communicated with your instructors, complex specialists, yes, who will directly communicate with you later, so in essence i practiced all the ship operations what makes it all non-standard, all non-standard, and we ourselves also created non-standard, maybe... prepared, like you we come up with something ourselves, well that is with soup, naturally, there with system failure, crew behavior, errors and so on, i thought, it seems like i went through everything, it seems like i looked at everything, and i realized, well i didn't pass due to health, but it still was a layer of interesting work, so it was all not in vain, even if you don't manage to get through to the selection, it will all

only be a plus, only in favor, we'll meet in the evening at the cheese. they say you've gone too far with neighbor, that's not good, it's my brother, we have kind people who are not evil yet, we can handle it, really, don't disgrace the family, kirill, you will communicate, what are you doing, and you understand what you are doing, you are ruining, you are ruining your own and her lives, i can't live without you, the premiere, tomorrow after... games and time in the new season on the first, rumors about this crime are already circulating in the city, wherever you go, they say everywhere, women are lured into taxis and shot in the back, i wanted to ask you about your find, this knot seemed very massive, although it was easy enough, you have been awarded

a great honor, moles, honor and trust of the reich. farga, remember this. after the war, i was looking for my son's comrades-in-arms, i was interested in what was happening there at the end of the war, and anything could have happened there. you don't have a photo of kolya? it's strange, where are they, were they here? lord, how similar he is to my son? you are the only real witness, the only person to whom he came openly. well, major, the hunt has begun, the hunt has begun. the state of the prime minister according to the legendary book by yulian semyonov. we continue our conversation with popularizer of cosmonautics ilya ovchinnikov. and me, anton shkaplerov. well, everyone has heard of roscosmos, of course, that is , the organization where people who are interested work. well, roscosmos is actually

the top. it is a unifying corporation. yes, in general, it now occupies only two floors in one small. on the site space here is this portal key space for kids, there is, let's say, a map of enterprises, there is a map of specialties, omsk flight, there are institutes, novosibirsk, krasnoyarsk iss and rishetnevo, where they make there satellites and will be engaged in the project sphere, samara, by the way, i forgot to say about samara university, also

a legendary university, by the way, they are doing a very cool competition called sputnik, there too and... also from the fifth grade there in principle the subjects of samara university and ruscosmos also participate in this here are some other ones in st. petersburg there is an enterprise, yes, accordingly, arsenal tsnirtk robotics, which are also made for roscosmos, there is an enterprise in kazan, well , in general, it turns out like this, perm, voronezh, voronezh plant, yes, in principle, on the website in general, everything is there, here i already named it there. everyone worked, everyone talks about rockets, everyone talks about satellites, but there are none, but no one talks about infrastructure, but you need to build spaceports, you need to service them, you need to create ground complexes, and this

is what zinc is doing, there is an enterprise not for launch complexes, it is in moscow, in my opinion, there are some branches there, and kb motor, which is exactly those who love huge moving things, cranes, there are service farms, that's them, well, and the institute of medical and biological... they are engaged not only astronauts, but also plants and animals, also aviation space medicine, there is an enterprise there, by the way, zvezda, which also has spacesuits for space, and this is also a separate area of ​​work for aviation, these are ejection seats, these are protective helmets, in fact, it turns out that you can try yourself... in any profession, that is, you can be a rocket scientist, launching rockets, i realized that it is not my thing, well, that is, i launched, i have well, i liked satellites more and manned cosmonautics, and i

i went to energy in my second year, i realized that i was interested in this and i didn't regret it, someone likes to deal with antenna systems, so it turns out such a huge spectrum to choose from, even tested it seems my ship, yes, it was just legendary, i was also at baikanur just pre-launch. when there is no equipment and you are lying at night during tests and there are these clicks, you listen, it is alive, it is well, it is just a living ship, it communicates with you, and you are

a professional, of course, there, oops, didn't click, and like, so it is necessary, so it is necessary issue a remark, and it should turn on there relay, valve or something else, that's when you are in the ship one on one with it, it's just an incredible feeling, that's when the ship flies, you have everything successfully flown. like, well, okay, at least i didn't say anything, good, and your merit too, my minimal, in fact, everything is done there by those who assemble, these are testers - this is generally a gigantic job, well, you worked there for 9 years, i worked for 9 years, what was the most interesting thing to work, this testing of the ship, this support, when you sit there like a crew, and you give in, well, commands, you communicate with the soup just like an adult, i mean, for a moment, i just when you sit there for three o'clock in the morning, you just forget that you're on the ground, that was legendary, and accordingly, naturally, when you enter a combat ship, you carefully put everything in there, hop-hop, climbed in, and the most important thing is, i'm big, but i

realized that my, my flexibility, it knows no bounds, well, that is, i managed to climb in, not break it and, as it were, complete the tasks, that's also it is very important, so don't be afraid, in short , no internal limitations, that is, do what you like, in short, well, you have that... such a huge experience, you are a teacher, a mentor, what would you like to tell our young viewers, well, so that they focus on the cosmic direction, so that they don't get lost somewhere in cosmic myths, yes, that is , you need, firstly, to learn to check information, this is generally for all parents and so on, because it happens that you post something, here is an announcement of an event, in comments are pouring in, yes, this is for the rich, you have to pay for it.

children who are interested, tried more often this is the first, second, i really want to talk to their parents to explain what they want, even in terms of space, yes, not all parents may be clear about the prospects of cosmonautics, and so that this is clear, let the children at school try, talk to the cosmonauts, be together and sit, how the winners assemble a satellite, how the winners assemble an antenna, and watch, say, next time i will i'll come, i'll win, i'll do better than them,

that's it. let's fantasize, what will a person do in space in 50 years? i would really like it to be a manned expedition, the moon-mars, venus, that is , such a communication was already established, i don't really believe in expansions, like where is the resettlement, it seems to me that our earth is still so good that people need to return to exchange experiences, that is, like the testers flew into space, i'll return.

today's conversation about space education will help the younger generation find yourself in the future to work for the benefit of your country, namely in the space industry. today i was interviewed by the popularizer of cosmonautics, former test engineer ilya ovchinnikov. i am anton shkaplerov, and this is the podcast space stories. you can watch all the episodes of the podcast lab project on the website of the first channel 1tv. .ru. hello, this is a podcast 20 years later and we are its hosts konstantin mikhailov and alexander anatolyevich. today we have a wonderful guest, whom we are so pleased to introduce, zhanna bichevskaya, the legendary.

magnificent, mysterious and famous, different, and gennady panomarev, husband, composer, author, nadezhda i opora, in general, your everything, sound engineer, my everything, and by the way, zhanna bichevskaya performs bulat okudzhava's songs, a whole album was released, her performances of his songs, and bulat kudzhava turns 100 this year, it seems to me that you are the most...

so, here are the noble titles, and then they came here, and my grandfather konstantin bichevsky, he served in the tsarist army, he served as a cavalryman, he was in the tsarist guard regiment, you and your father, i know, had a difficult relationship, mom left, left when you were five, yes, when my mother died at the age of 5, my father took me away from my relatives, and i was actually alone with my father in the reservation, but then in my life... here is not my biological mother, she was very good, but she could not protect me from the monster of a father, nevertheless, my father gave you your first guitar when i was 17, he himself was a very, very melodious person, and he wanted me to play and sing with the guitar, that is, to accompany him in singing my songs, well, there was such a personal interest, then i already taught guitar at a music school in zagorsk, in general, with the guitar , they called me zhanna guitarovna at the school, because i

did not let go of the guitar, that is, you ...

with tears there with khlipovyami, because this is so very serious that they generally do not talk much about love, they have already said everything, but to convey through romances this deep feeling, this

is possible only with god's help, the lord helped me, there was a carriage standing near the church, this is a romance or russian folk this is a russian folk song, i wrote it down somewhere a long, long time ago in village... my grandmother, she was 86 years old, baba pavlina, she sang me this song, this song came into life from me, zhanna bichevskaya, if anyone doesn’t know, she traveled a lot not only abroad, but also in our country in the outback, she collected russian folk songs, how did you get in touch, what did you travel on, on your own, i didn’t have money for tickets, i was a student at a related school, and i see its composition with sand, with pebbles, somewhere under i climb with a guitar, i didn’t know where i was going, some point i stopped, in general, in short, i traveled a lot, i even went as far as the urals, you know, everything was different, but everything was very interesting, and you know, i must

tell you, i thank the lord that after my father, in general such a monster, he sent me very good people, it comforted me so much, encouraged me in life and gave... gave meaning to my life, and i realized that in life there are many more good people than bad, this is natural, and then i realized one more thing, this is purely philosophical, in life, i realized that what you are with a person, such is he with you, but the thing is that sometimes it happens that you come across, you come across such darkness that it is even scary to enter, you want to run away from this person, well , i probably felt this same darkness. a young bride in her husband, well , the tragedy of the song is standing near the church, yes, in the fact that her young one is given away to an old man, let's turn to this work then.

a carriage was standing near the church, there was a magnificent wedding, all the guests. dressed up, the bride was the most beautiful of all, all the guests were dressed up, the bride

she was the most beautiful of all, she was wearing a white dress, she had many pins on her head, she was looking at the holy crucifix through a rainbow of ties, the vincha candles were burning, the bride was standing pale. she did not want to say the oath to the priest, when the priest put

a gold ring on her finger, bitter tears flowed from her eyes. like a stream onto her face. i heard, in the crowd, they said, the groom is an unsightly peace, they ruined the girl on purpose, and i went out after the crowd. there was

a carriage standing at the church, there was a magnificent wedding, all the guests were dressed up, the bride was the most beautiful of all, all the guests were dressed up. they were dressed up, the bride was the most beautiful of all.

we continue our conversation about music and life with zhanna bichevskaya and gennady ponomarev. in the studio , konstantin aleksandrovich mikhailov and aleksandr anatolyevich belonogov are still there, can i say? the first time. and tell us how you met... some songs of bards too, and they brought me to bulat and put me in front of him, i say, hello, it's me, i sing your songs, he says, what am i saying, i'm zhanna bichevskaya, i sing your songs with a guitar, he says, yes, but it's interesting to listen, and next to him stood his wife olga, a wonderful person, a beauty in general, i say, here i am, i can call you, he says: yes, of course, olya gave me okudzhava's phone number, then

time passed, i called him, we became friends, then we met many times, he gave me his collection of poems, once, his prose, a breath of freedom, in general, this is a special page in my life, it was so awful that he rarely praised anyone, it was so awful, but jean jeannie on her records with his songs, he wrote that she was a master, she argues with me, ah... and what is your favorite song of his? yes, they are all wonderful, ask me what is my favorite folk song, they all came out of me like children, there was such a zhav, i also accepted him into myself, into my soul, therefore kozhav did not have a single bad song, they are all, they are equal, about the numerous, endless travels, probably joyful, both for you and for the public, in paris a lady came up to you... such a lady sang a novel from the hands of a golis, was it so?

listen to me carefully, first of all, came up, after one of the concerts in olympia, i don’t remember after which one? in olympia in paris, a white guard officer came up, a very old man, with a cane, gray-haired, thin, and, it means, there was a woman standing with him, he said, here, here’s a song, this is a song of my youth, more vicious than golits, a song, what a romance, here’s a woman, he, she sang me the melody, i have a very good style... i remembered everything the first time and handed over the lyrics, like this, it was eighty-second, what year, i don’t remember, yes, and so i was the first performer of this song, and then what happened to it, who did it, i am on the conscience of everyone who did something with it, but i had no idea that it was your song, you brought it here because it came to you first-hand, you know what i have to tell you, when i sing it, i have this white guard before my eyes, white...

the village has been going on for four days, the don spring is sweating with rain, don't give a damn,

the lieutenant is shouting. cornet, and valensky, pour some wine, cornet, and valensky, pour some wine, with a gloomy don, we lead the squadrons, he blesses us, russia, country, a couple. chick galitsen, hand out the cartridges, cornet, abalensky, saddle, horse, cornet, abalensky, saddle canoe, flickering arvat,

familiar faces, shalyana, a leg rushes through dreams, everything will be fine, lieutenant, golitsyn for everything, the commissars will get their fill, the commissars will get their fill, but somewhere nearby troikas are rushing by, alas, and we do not know what our wine is, coupler, golitsyn, so be steadfast, cornet, abalensky, pour some wine,

cornet, to orensky, pour some wine. ah, russian sun, great sun, we cannot change the course of the ship, lieutenant, golitsyn, or maybe let's go back, why do we need foreign land, my friend, why do we need it? my friend, foreign land, the village has been burning for four days, it's even sweating.