and few people will agree with me, that's how i think, i don't know if i'm right or not, he doesn't like to talk about it, and i don't really either, but i'm not as categorical as he is, of course, and i don't want to forget it, and i'm not for this school to be torn down, i just have some moments in my head that i've never even voiced to anyone, i... i'll voice them, yes, i was 4 years old, but i also can't say that i don't remember anything, although maybe few people will believe it, that's when i voiced it like that, somehow the topic came up, i even told artur, i i say, somehow over the years, i just don’t show it to myself, but it’s harder for me inside, by the way, it’s harder to be there, i can’t say that i’ll somehow not stop going there, but

somehow i relate to it differently. what’s harder, well, it stays inside me, it doesn’t go beyond me, i can’t see anything, but sometimes i need it, it happens, yes, i really need it, like discussing it with someone of mine, with someone who was there, but not discussing it with someone else, so that someone there feels sorry for you, again, like happiness? and i will probably answer very trivially, like arthur, first of all, it is health, it is the fact that we have the opportunity, simply, that we simply wake up.

the first and a little bit of the second day, they even allowed drinking water, but they launched, that is , a shower stall, people came in, drank, well , whoever got wet, a rag, well, their clothes, everyone took off their clothes, wet them, took them out into the hall so that everyone else could squeeze water into their mouths, the second day, the end of the second day, well, thirst tormented, people already started drinking urine, excuse me, well, i have one like that too, well, well let's say, every time i go to bed, i always have a bottle and a half, well , water near the bed, well, such a problem, yes, there is, well, during the year this is also remembered, no, no, they stop by the cemetery, they go there.

god forbid, i swear, god forbid, you see such things, and believe me, you tell me very quickly, when they start calling me, well , it happens to me very often, well, it's even hard to answer, i try in every way to dissuade them, well , i don't want to interview, no, it doesn't matter, i don't want to, okay, i agree with someone, there you are the only one, really the only one, to me this year? how many people wrote again, well, well , the phone is really ringing off the hook, i curse the day when someone from the journalists found out this phone number, i really curse it, can you imagine, like, to lose a loved one, it could be a child, there is a mother, father, brother, sister, they still share your pain with you, support you, this is how negative shouldn't be. on the contrary, i don't

remember now the last time i was there, it was, they don't want to go there, yes, well, they don't want to remember, well, it's a pain in the ass, right? when we met, he started yelling, crying, mom, mom, how good it is that you weren't there, those were his first words, if mom, you were there, you and i would have been killed, how good, mom, how what, that's it, those were his words, he

was probably happy that he was sitting there, that i wasn't there, he wasn't so worried about himself, in his thoughts he was thinking that it was good that...

strength, mom, yes, he jumped through the window and ran to you, mom, mom, i knew that you were waiting for me there, just imagine, that's our state, well done, he's a good guy, he's because of that, i've never i'm not saying this, because he was so active, an active child, he survived, if he, that is, will... always matter, even in 100 years, definitely without forgiveness, such things as forgiveness, not people killed, i had such, well, that is

, moments that and well, not that it was necessary, but well, you believed that there was evidence. i don't know, either he is really very angry sitting there or he didn't keep an eye on it. i want to ask, norpashi, i know, you

had a daughter, i had an only girl, for the sake of my children, i will pray for your children, you have to tell us the truth, you have a question. she didn't press in any way, she understood that this could be, she generally, i now understand, probably, being a parent, it is very difficult to make such a confrontation, yes, for your child, with a person who kept them locked up for 3 days, but she said, you

can help the investigation with this, i remember my feelings, i remember that i was scared, somehow i was embarrassed, but still, probably, what... what i was able to splash out of myself as a child, to tell, probably, it was my the most i remember is that they asked me, the very last thing, you...

well, i feel like a very happy person, i don't know what will happen next, but i am

truly grateful to god for this life. i, at least, don't know a single person who would say that time, yes, it heals, because treatment is like, you have pain, yes, and then they give you an injection. you take pills, your pain goes away, it doesn't heal, the pain doesn't go away, you get used to it, it just becomes a part of you, you accept it, but you can't live with it nothing can be done, you can't throw it away, you can't forget it, it's just a part of you, like any of your organs, like your hands.

hello, i'm still dmitry bak, as always, when i appear on the screen, we'll have an issue of a literary podcast: don't let them talk, let them read. our issue today is dedicated to several topics at once, firstly, it's a conversation about the magical... together called peredelkino near moscow, what's happening there now, what events happen there, what kind of people live there, who comes there, about how... appear new contemporary writers, what genres they work in, how they build their lives, that's all we'll talk about today with the director of development of the peredelkino house of creativity, yulia vronskaya. hello, yulechka, hello, dima, let's be on first-name terms, as in life, and also with the writer and playwright ivan

bevz, hello, ivan, hello, dmitry petrovich, let's be on first-name terms, again, as in life, although this won't stop us. to communicate, and we'll start with you, i'd like to ask, here's what, well, i introduced you as a writer and playwright, and you seemed to agree, no they said: no, it's not true, i really am an astronaut or something else, and how would you define it, since when have you felt like one, and how is it connected to your life, well, in soviet times it was accepted to think that you had to study for this, graduate from a literary institute, or you had to dream about it, being an engineer... not of human souls, but somewhere in a factory, now, when this happened, when this identification took place, when you published a novel that received good press, we 'll talk about this later, or earlier, was it a dream or then, how did all this happen to you, it seems to me that a person who writes fiction can call himself a writer

, everything, he does not necessarily have to be published, published, recognized by someone, for himself he can position himself as a writer. already when he writes something, well, you know, i will object, i even interrupt you, i teach at the moscow art theatre studio school all the time i talk to actors, but if you brilliantly play hamlet in front of your mirror in the bathroom, absolutely brilliantly, and you are definitely in this convinced, your mother is convinced, and your neighbor and friend vasya, you are not an actor, anyway, yes, that is , no one knows about you, that is, a writer who feels that he is a writer, already a writer, yes, well, internal feelings are still more important to me than some titles that... someone can give me, but i did not dare to call myself a writer, for example, until the twenty-first year, until i got into the residence of the house of creativity, we will talk about this, that is, after all, yes, there was some moment when i was allowed to do some recognition from the side that i would work on something literary, someone was not against, like yes, like work, we'll see, yes, yes, yes, well, as the master

allowed you to the machine, so to speak, something like that, yes, at that moment i already became. you how many requests i receive by mail to look at some texts they are 910% terrible, but the person is convinced that he is a great writer, it can be very scary, well, okay, well, i was planning to ask you further, what is peredelkina, but let me ask ivan.

samarin, for example, is the most beautiful, all this is destroyed, it is such a sacred place where one can only bow repentantly endlessly to what has been destroyed, or is it a place where the coryphaeuses lived, korney chukovsky, lev kosil, boris pasternak, and so on,

kudzhava, i have one personal memory of the remake that is dear to me. when i first got there, having just started working in yasnaya polyana, being a very young person, i needed to hand over books and documents to igor petrovich zolotovsky, a literary critic, god bless him, he lives in peredelkino, he is over 90, but we recently filmed an interview with him, and i remember how thrilled i was when i was driving in the car and stuly from peredelkino. that shchenko, vostresensky, akudzhava were here, that this is a place where poets lived, who spoke to a large number of people

through their poems, probably with this, here is bladshalovich with a guitar, young, strong, beautiful, against the backdrop of some snow, yes, most likely in his own modest dacha peredelkino, yes, it may well be that this is a dacha in peredelkino, where it is now a museum, the guitar is not very good. yes, now i perceive peredelkino differently, rather more rationally soberly than romantically. on the one hand, this is a place that reflects the complex history of the country, which can simply be compared with how someone lived, what was the reaction in history. on the other hand, now for our modern development of the house of creativity and for the modern development of writers, it is important that... this place is full, authentic, with its own history, there is something to build on everything you want to build, that is, there is some kind of succession line, because these 40

or 20 years of desolation, you can count them differently, but 20 for sure, when everything was falling apart, all this has been overcome to one degree or another, yes, that is, some kind of thread has been found that connects - the soviet idea of ​​settling all the writers together, and ... rather , this makes it possible to understand that you have a name, the name of the remake, you have a big history, you act not based on your preferences or desires, how this can be done, there is a basis, and then something can be done to do, so now for me peredelkino, this is an opportunity, no matter how long it continues, to use this kind of active development of the creative house to its fullest...

when there is only one known path, well, for example, to send a manuscript to a publishing house, maybe to receive or not to receive in response, or to go to a seminar in lipka, so until the peredelkino creative house appeared, and i would also mention the association of unions of writers and publishers of russia, which also do residencies, so until these two institutions appeared, paths to get into literature was limited. yul, is it true that children are the most active readers? children, young people, children are the most active readers, probably through their parents, if we talk about age, say up to 25, up to 30

years old, these are the most active book buyers, and here up to 25, from what moment, somewhere from 18 to 25, eh, there are a lot of factors here, it seems to me, firstly, it is a social factor, at this moment you want to find something to discuss, here is a factor of such openness to the world, and you were like that, you bought books 18 years, read, discussed, well, i rather downloaded them to electronic ones, it is not important, that is , it is important, but it is clear, sociologists say that there is also such a dead zone from about 8 years to 14-15, yes, the early period is the parents really, well, it is difficult to admit that a child at 2 years old will start to be interested in books on his own, it is still a mirror from the parents, and ... then what yulia is talking about, well, just as i understand it, this term yanka dalt literature for young adults, it appeared to solve this problem. young -

this is young, adult - this term, oddly enough, was introduced 80 years ago in libraries, they wanted to orient the reader who is no longer under the influence of a parent, but does not yet go to the store on his own, what to read, then this term appeared, i did not perceive it that way at all, i perceived it that way when it appeared, i also witnessed the appearance of this term, which seemed angular to me, strange, like a briefing on the carpet, eh, yes, that is, a press conference - on the carpet, but then i got used to it, and it seemed to me that these are books that are just addressed to children, adults, and then, then it turned out that adults began to read them, well , that's how it is now, it's interesting to adults, i'm interested, for example, what did you read when yank and dalt were around, i read science fiction,

did you read it? i see, i also wrote a thesis, even about science fiction, of course, lukyanenko was not in the exchange yet, yes, you read science fiction, no, i practically haven't read science fiction, it doesn't appeal to me, maybe i have a very bad imagination, no, no, well science fiction is about imagination, yes, vanya, but - in many ways about imagination, adventure novels, i think this is a very good entry point for teenagers into literature in general, that is, if a child does not read at all, if he reads teenage literature, a science fiction novel, the second, of course, is preferable, then it is better to start here, yes, it is better to start here, because yes, a teenager will not be interested in a heavy thing right away, well, as heavy things, i read the strugatskys, i read robert sheckley, i read lem, about whom i wrote

my thesis. stanislav lem, solaris, remember, uh, our dear interlocutor, i am with him corresponded, for me it was such a romance, but whether it was childish, i don’t know, and what did you read, and i read quite a little until high school, i was more attracted to mathematics and the exact sciences in general, i somehow strangely then began to drift mathematics in this direction, i read what my peers read, in order to just -

this is some kind of combination of the universal modern, on the one hand you have a clear system of coordinates, unveiled, like in modern literature for adults, on the other hand, you have some kind of world for leaving your world, that is, fantasy, imagination, yes, a combination of such escoping, leaving the real world, in which there are many problems of modern details, with which you

associate yourself, it is... it is very cool what you say, in fact, i think, here is the beginning of any reading, of any person, i had almost no books at home, i am from a medical family, and a military-medical one, we were always nomadic, in the house there were one and a half books, everything that i read, i bought myself and therefore it is very curious so i reconstructed all this, we just had books and my mother and grandmother, who loved to read. were terribly worried that i didn't read, and my mother invented a wonderful trick, which i fell for several times, she left a book, attention, a life hack from vronskaya, attention, and she left a book of poetry on the table, that she forgot gumeleva, akhmatova, tsvitaeva, severyanin, and somehow, when she left for work, she dropped, well, these are adults, don't read, that is, yulia opens it and sees, i'm all in something

spanish. and thinks, this is cool, for adults, this is for adults, my parents were not worried at all, but they were not worried, so that i was dressed, fed, uh, happy, but they were not mm pressed by this intelligentsia feeling, as i am not talking about what happened, but i was not turned away from this, i am infinitely grateful that i was not taught how to live, yes, in fact, i was not taught how to live, so i could do what i want myself, and ... came to the very thing from which they could turn me away, in the new season on the first, tell me, is it possible to do business in my city without me, you komolov, oleg viktorovich, here is the decree on your detention, today the museum was robbed at night, what does my dad have to do with it, so, well, tell me, the director is local, from leningrad, with his wife and daughter, they came, the daughter is an adult, she is going to be an artist, that's how it is, the museum was robbed at night, the area is quiet,

they do n't sleep only in houses, it will be more often to blame, so something is happening, maybe we can somehow come to an agreement, and 500, what about everything, good, and how did you, such a cunning hell, fall for a simple scam, huh? everything looked so convincing, and you are not at all afraid that we will get bogged down in these affairs? well, they are bad, dad is good, he needs help, k unfortunately, you can't do it without money, five, seven, oh, what, ah, you were just amazing, and your partners too, my name is mark natanach barshak, i kind of look after this city and its environs. i need your talent in one very interesting and risky case. ninel - the premiere of a multi-part film, tomorrow on the first. and you know that i have a patron, an adult appeared, thanks to whom i am

here, and not in a cell. and what is it worth, you know? our program is dedicated to real friends. here. friend orthos idortan, you do filming were familiar? no, no, with their riotous behavior, we even managed not to irritate, on the contrary, to respect us rit in teriha, but she was very withdrawn, with elsa for a very long time, lived together, we rented one apartment for two, an old house, this is the most romantic memory of our joint creativity, for four seas, for four suns. thanks, probably, to zhana, i passed this casting, as if, to the end communicated, yes, yes, we communicated to the end, then she told me that she was giving birth, and we said, so much time spent on a career, you need to spend it on your children, here we are, we have known each other for 100 years

, igor ugolnikov called and said: "you know, you can imitate voices, sasha semchev starred in my photo shoot, he can't voice himself, can you say this phrase about beer and pilka, oh, it didn't work out that time." it worked out, hello, here's what i can do: turn off the light, those who don't remember, it's alyssa's voice turn on our favorite show, on saturday on the first. well, we continue our most interesting conversation about where voices come from new contemporary russian writers, and how literature lives today, about new genres, about the events that... well, as it were, surround the literary process or precede it, all this is incredibly interesting, let's continue our conversation. in the middle of each issue, as you certainly remember, there is a column by the host, well, that is, mine, i apologize, it's me, and i

do one of three things: either i show an old book, necessarily from my library, not from a museum under any circumstances, or i analyze, read a lyric poem, or a fragment of prose, but the book itself... a blessed story, yes, because our program is called upon to explain to you, well, why there are still paper books, although they are not very interesting to you, why there are people, like me, who love them and even have them in huge quantities, well, i have in my hands such an old book, which was published in 1923, 101 years ago, it's a diary.

to do for the one who is going to publish this book now, or you can just pull the diary from the internet and publish it without comments, the worst option, you can give one of these editions, but in this edition the text is one, and the comments are combined, and even here another essay by opushkin has been added, so if you hold in your hands such a book, it is on the internet, probably, i think, then you can

perceive not only the bare text, but you see the history, the collective reading of the classical text, this is the fullness that we need, and not just a flat screen version, read books, dear colleagues, and maybe then you too will become writers, or at least lovers of literature, ivan smiles very... sarcastically, because of course, now you will be in the center of attention. ivan, tell me, your book, if i speak so formulaically and provocatively, is a book about not-so-old people who live, well, in the late nineties, early noughties, that's how it is perceived, yes, or the two thousandths, as i prefer to say , but it can be written into two rows: on the one hand, this is the row, well, children without adults, there... lord of the flies by ilim golding, there

or sasha sokolov, in some sense a school for fools, yes, on the other hand, the nineties years, well, there is not the returnee kabakov, so to speak, or the beginning of the 2000s, about the same era, after all, in what row, mainly, is it about time or about young people, about formulas, about universals, probably, it is about everything at once, but i did not keep in mind any clear references. what tradition i wanted to fit this book into, i did not have such a question, probably, somewhere in the back of my mind was the republic of shkit, which i love very much, and how a closed system of young people was shown there, how it functions inside, how there power is distributed, how children begin to behave like adults, do you remember this book, dear interlocutors, the republic of shkid, belykh panteleyev, yes two half-forgotten authors. theirs, this is the school named after dostoevsky,

it is like such a controversial book, which, as many believed, was based on the makarenko system, on the fight against street children , on such a collective soviet education, well , that is, here is the context, the republic of shkit, yes, something like that, but during my growing up, i wanted to bring some nostalgic spirit there, so that people, who, like me now... are about thirty - remembered something from films, tv series, music, from the culture of that time, well, and shed a stingy nostalgic tear, that is , this book is based on personal experience, it can be different, yes, well, a pharmacy should not try all the drugs, yes, and a writer does not necessarily write about what he himself experienced, in this case it is personal experience, these are memories that i actively used when i was selecting the texture for this book, yeah, now you are like this or not like that, that's how - if compare you now to the one who could

be the hero of the book? i'm not like that at all now, i've changed a lot since then, so i think, like all children, there's something left in me from the person i was in the eleventh grade, but it's a very small percentage, well, a child, their kingdom of heaven, as we know, yes, from the gospel, on the one hand, it's such a moral center. innocent, unblemished, a slime of dostoevsky's child, on the other hand, it's a person who doesn't know yet a lot, so there is also child cruelty, especially when children are left alone in the yard with each other, that is, it is such a contradictory story, it is approximately what you were talking about, yes , universal parable stories about what is good, what is bad, but there is always our yard, which is parallel to reality, parents and ancestors, like... or my time, or are its extreme embodiment, yes,

they kind of left, that is, we went out into the yard, the usual way: dim, you will go out, it was your ball, yes, you will go out, and dima will come out, right now it's impossible to go out, but now it's a different time, the yard, there's a yard, the yard culture is gone , gone, there are alterations, not all of that, i say, with joy, the children are friends there, they can easily go to each other, but dima, you'll go out, they told me, i say, dad, i'm going, he says, well, come back at five, right? dad told me, there are no mobile phones, and i got on my bike and went somewhere, and my parents, even if they wanted to, wouldn't know what was happening to me during those 3 hours, it's such a break that it's hardly even possible now, yes, actually, well, i'm ivan, i heard from you that this is not yant, this is not udalt, my god, scary terms, not just yanalt, new adult, that is , this is what new adulthood, as you understand it, well, in general, probably, yes, if

you look at the audience that i wanted to talk to when i wrote this book, it is more likely millennials, thirty-year-olds, but at the same time... the topic is teenage, so for myself i fit it into this genre, but it is not for me to classify my book, i just wanted to write an interesting story that would be interesting to read for everyone, yeah, yeah yes, well, you didn't think about how it would sell, how it wouldn't at all, yes, that is , a modern writer is not someone who calculates every market move and thinks about profit, about popularity, about royalties, i beg your pardon, is a modern writer the same? like in the times of pushkin and derzhavin, he just writes, yes, that's how it turns out, but still they apply for a residence, just like in the 19th and 20th centuries, all writers are different and someone thinks about the strategy of their writing, someone just writes because they can't help but write,

someone immediately takes aim at the audience, everyone very different, this is precisely where the functions are not of writers, but of institutions that stand in a row... to present their work to publishers, to come to

we say to residents who are ready peredelkino, we invite about twenty publishing houses of different formats, teenage, children's, adult, non-fiction literature. each author who was in our residence has 5-7 minutes to say what he wrote, how he sees his audience, to introduce himself as a publisher, well , there is a contradiction here, of course, because vanya he says that he simply writes everything, here we need to tell, you remember what tolstoy answered those who told him that they read it to korenin and did not understand anything, he said, i have already said everything, read it again, i will not explain, yes, but we ask a...

the authors are very prepared, they already have a ready text, they were chosen by experts at the early stages, it turns out that the interest of publishers in new russian authors, we somehow satisfy at these pitchings, we show who these are, who these authors are now very thoughtfully, well , generally speaking, probably, i even know that that's true, probably, and readers are included here, there is a meeting with readers. yes, although the publishing house is more involved in this, it's theirs, that is, we introduce the writer and the publisher, and the publisher introduces the writer to the reader, did you have meetings with the reader, and how is it all, they understand, they don't say any abstruse things, i read in one of the reviews that...