well, it turns out that you won't be able to get rich, yes, because - our subsoil belongs to the state, and i work in a state organization, yes , i would even work for private individuals, uh, but it would belong to the subsoil user, to put it in your pocket, to find a nugget and put it in your pocket - a very bad idea, but this excitement that you will find something, cool, it is still there, right? that is, maybe it's like a child

in a sandbox, yes, who digs something there, he will not get rich, but he is interested in finding it, and of course, scientific too there is excitement, yes, when you build some models, assumptions, where it is possible, you can find ore, and where it will not be, and you immediately run and check, you want to check it, and there are many places left in russia, where you can still find large places. well, i think that yes, there are huge territories, along which there was one route, then in the sixties, give a tip at least on the scale of thousands of kilometers, well , new land, for example, by the way, or the brang ridge, the chukotka region there are territories in which practically no one went, on in the far east, there in the yano-maysky region, there are territories where even in soviet times there were no routes, because it was simply physically impossible to float there, to walk, to see something. from

a geological point of view, from the point of view of looking at the map, there is every reason to assume that there may be large deposits there, the question is how to find them there, to find them with minimal effort, and here , perhaps, there is an alliance between fundamental science and exploration, that is, we can give something from our side, they can to say what is real and what is not, after all, as far as i know, there is quite a low competition for geological departments, why is there not enough? i think, there may not be enough popularization of the profession, we see economists, lawyers on tv every day in tv series, somewhere else, like about geologists, well, what kind of films have there been lately, the territory is filmed based on the novel by kauvaev, like a remake, but there is nothing, there is no geology in school, that is, we have biology, we have geography, and ... schoolchildren

have an idea of ​​what kind of area it is such, about the fact that there is geology, about the fact that it is, like, that it is different, that it is not only about walking in a field with a hammer, about this, well, there is no idea, and as a result, when you finish school and choose where to go, it is simply not on the list, let's imagine that some high school student or parents of a high school student are watching us now, what is more likely, what would you tell them to motivate them to go into geology? well, that is, my idea is probably that russia is a country that produces city-mining products, that is, we are always lived and will live, including at the expense of our resources, in this regard, taking into account that we have huge unexplored territories , that is, if you go to study geology, then you don’t have to be afraid that later you won’t be able to, well, it will be difficult to find a job, to seem in demand, therefore , that is, there will be enough work for a couple of centuries. that is, this is not an area

that can collapse, like, in 5-10 years, what will your argument be? well, i will probably appeal to the fact that to the love of traveling, geology is a wonderful opportunity to travel for public account, well, or at the expense of some investor, because well, i was in the urals, i was in yakutia in the magadan region, in the khabarovsk region.

i ran, maybe i'll come back to this, many thanks to our guests, with you was the podcast schrödinger's cat and i, its host grigory tarasevich, and we talked about gold, and then... how it appeared, how it ended up on the surface and how to find it on the territory of russia. hello, dear friends, this is the podcast life of the remarkable, with you i, its host, writer, alexey varlamov, this year it's been 125 years since the birth of the most, in my opinion, captivating, most amazing, profound, wonderful russian prose writer, poet, playwright, literary critic, and finally, russian engineer, andrei platonovich platonov,

and it's about him that we're going to talk today, and i'm pleased to introduce my interlocutor, elena shubina, a philologist and publisher, who... many of you probably know, thanks to elena shubina's editorial office, where many contemporary authors are published, and i have the honor of being one of these authors, but in addition to contemporary literature, shubina also publishes documentary literature, historical literature, and one of your heroes is andrei platonov. let's start the conversation with how it happened that you started working with platonov and what he means to you in your life. your platonov? my platonov? well, that's a very good question, aleksey nikolayevich, because it's still a very personal question. i fell in love with this writer, through my personal love, because lev shubin, lev alekseevich shubin, to whom i

i have a direct relation, he was, in fact, the founder of the study of platonov, his first article was published in sixty-eighth year.

among his contemporaries, namely, tvordovsky, and simonov, and fodeyev, and sholokhov, and leonov, they all highly valued platonov, pasternak, of course, and akhmatovo, you can name many different names, ernst haming, finally, yes, who admired his story the third son, well, it seems, yes, well, it may be, a bit of a myth, but there should be myths around every writer, let them be, we will not to destroy them, so, there is really some paradox in this, that this writer really lived such a... a little unnoticeable, as if off the central highway, such a literary highway life, despite the fact that his life was not very long, he was born in 1899 in voronezh, died in 1951 in moscow, that is, exactly the first half of the 20th century, it was very diverse, his life, but as

if platonov's starting positions from the point of view of the soviet conjuncture were extremely favorable, the son of a worker and peasant women absolutely. completely for the revolution, why in my youth it seems to me, after all, yes, well, in my youth, but then it became generally clear that everything there is very much what is called ambivalent, and because of the works that he wrote because of the works, well yes,

indeed, if you look at the newspaper voronezhskaya kommunnaya there or some other poems there, he was the star of voronezh journalism, yes, it would seem so. when the real works began, such things as the city of gradov, the state resident, chevengur, that is, they were always it seemed, and completely, as if so obasno.

from the soul, and this causes him terrible anger, and he commits an act that no

other, neither russian nor soviet writer, has committed, he turns 180° goes into melioration, and for several years he works as a voronezh meliorator, he builds dams, he builds hydroelectric power stations, he builds ponds, because he understands that the cause of hunger is drought, the cause of hunger is poor land management, this must be fought, and his conflict with the soviet government is a conflict a person who... makes claims against this government, why don't you do what you promised? you promised people to build a new, just world, in fact, as he writes somewhere, yes, that a craftsman fought, and an official won, so the revolution for him turns into a kind of a dirty victory of bureaucracy, some kind of routine, into a routine, and i just want to say that of course what you say is fair, but now we are already familiar with the notebooks, now yes... we are already familiar with the biography in full as would be in relation to its form, this is the opinion

that he was so purposefully going for this, and then suddenly hunger, he realized all this and so on, it would not have been then that platonov that we know, with his philosophy, with his generally amazing absolutely attitude to the world, to everything that happens, that is, philosophy is a very important concept here, because the voronezh province and that... he was there, it is such, well, even a country, as if separate, where these, chevingur was written not by chance, because the most interesting, very, yes, fedorov's these here are some whole, all these things there and so on, this cannot just arise, this was also some kind of his area around, here are all his further works, they are built on this too, and not only love. revolution, fell out of love with the revolution, that's how it seems to me, i would also like to touch on something else,

for me one of these facets of platonov's personality is, of course, the story of his love, this is, of course, the story of his family, because here too there are incredible paradoxes in the platonov spirit, when he got married, many his friends were very shocked because they didn't understand what had happened, he was such a monk, that is, no relationship , nothing, suddenly this woman arrives, yes, she was beautiful... the most important thing is that she was not just beautiful and talented, she was from a completely different circle, from a different family, she was from a professorial family, they ended up in voronezh, well, just like then, escaping from hunger, escaping from hunger, this beauty strikes his heart and kind of overturns all his theories, that's a dry theory my friend, but the tree of life turns green and he changes, he kind of forgets all his vows of chastity, he falls in love with this woman, actually beats her off there around her. a crowd of young people walked, his friends, he put them all aside, he conquered her, he walked to her

on foot, i was there she studied at the university then she was sent to a village school, the story of the sandy teacher has something to do with this, and he walks in the winter god knows where 20 km there and back, as a result, it means they are conceived then their only son is born platon, well then there will be a daughter marya andreyevna, but this was later during the war, but that's why i started talking about his wife.

sternak, objecting to shchogolev, who criticized natalya nikolaevna pushkin, yes, posternak said this famous thing that pushkin should have married shchogolev throughout our further pushkin studies, then he would not have been killed in a duel, then he would have lived there for many years, would have written many more things, no, pasternak writes, natalya nikolaevna was an ideal wife, and pushkin knew who he loved, who he married, that is, he took his wife under his protection pushkin, you took it under your protection in exactly the same way -

few people know that she, from year to year, for many years, when she offered platonov's publication to publishing houses, she insisted very intensively then that in these collections, which repeated the same thing, the same thing, that is, in fact, before the opportunities to publish chevingur, kotlovany and some other things opened up, she always...

all these things, and there it was strictly written, like this, this, this and that, these things, no, this is a wound, this is something there such, that is, she led this fight of hers, in the new season on the first, this picture interests me very much, you want to take it away, yes, but it is not easy to do, he has 20 security guards at home, an alarm system, so what can i do, talented?

the path is difficult, there are many enemies around, try to figure out who is who, if necessary, we would not ask you, they appointed you, that's it, go to work, and i ask you, are you taking on this case or not, i am taking it, stepan, what are your

demands, to begin with we demand eight machine guns, do you hear me, eight? eight, uncle, please save my friends, if any of the children get hurt, our negotiations will lose their meaning, prepare for the assault, premiere, commander, soon, on the first. dear friends, we continue, this is the life of the remarkable podcast. i am with you, its host writer alexey varlamov. we are talking about andrei platonov and my interlocutor elena shobina, a philologist, publisher. i have a question, i am very interested in this, how did his works get to the west, after all, many things first saw the light of day there, my dear, but i cannot answer this question, i am so

i think that by some time already, by the end of the seventies, when the so-called slavists came here quite often , because they, for example, entered moscow state university, that is, the department, so to speak, of russian literature

. they somehow found their paths, you know, i would like to talk about the foundation pit, because for me, the foundation pit, well, yes, this is certainly the pinnacle of platonov’s work, but paradoxically, if we look, well, how about the companions of the foundation pit, yes, that is, here are the notebooks related to this period, letters related to this period, other literary works written on this topic, there is libretto the engineer, then platonov's assessment of the collective farm movement is rather positive. and he writes to his wife, musya there, everything is being done correctly, our pace, that is, he as a person, as a citizen, he generally supported, what is called the policy of the party of the government, when well, wait, well, these are

documents, these are facts, here, open it, i also want to answer you with documents, notebooks, which were published in two volumes, there are and this is the exact opposite, well i would say that there is more of this, it is simply clear that he speaks out against the kulaks in his notebooks, he believes that collectivization is necessary. well you speak like this, as if we are talking about journalism, the foundation pit is a work of fiction and chevingur is a work of fiction, it is just that for me there is some kind of cognitive dissonance, well i think if we are still going to talk about platonov from the point of view of only journalism and as if that is what can be read there so, and can it be otherwise in notebooks, then well , this will be a rather strange approach to a work of art, this may be, i will not even argue, i am just saying, for me there is some, here i spoke, excuse me, excuse me, please, i spoke at the beginning, when in

his youth he was such a completely stubborn, so to speak, revolution and so on, i may have mentioned a little too early about this voronezh one, also a somewhat unusual context, connected with sectarianism, with fyodor and so on, other the thing is that it is later yeah. that's what was expressed in his main so to speak works, so that's this conversation, which after all he has in his notebooks he is as if for collective farms, and there not for collective farms, after all when he wrote doubting makar, who was also this same one, he was as if sincerely surprised, why that he actually wrote everything for collective farms, well yes and the chronicle in prog, it is also written for collective farms.

slovan, which you and i, my dears, read in novy mir in eighty-seventh year, before that we read in self-publishing, then read in numerous publications there in the nineties and even the noughties

published. prepared for publication in the new world in what happened, apparently, the foundation pit in the sixties, maybe not in the new world, but in general somewhere they were preparing, and they were editing it, but they were editing it as, from there at...

of course , a very difficult thing for further researchers happened with the platonov archive in general. rgali, tsgali, then the pushkin house, the family archive. it was also necessary to dig around in these very same, supposedly being prepared there, publications. that is, in order to, to verify a special, textological, as if certified

by platonov himself, copy. it was necessary to do a colossal amount of work, including such psychological work, that it was considered the final version, because andrei platonovich also had such an absolutely amazing feature, if almost, as you say, with katlovan almost, so to speak, it was ready for publication, instead of entering into some kind of wild struggle, sometimes it was easier for them to write their own version, this is what is currently working on it, it's amazing...

it was just another discovery, i agree with you that 14 red huts is an absolutely amazing thing, but also, by the way , the sharmanka, and one of the first plays fools on the periphery, which unfortunately was left with two missing pages, well, yes, and here of course you can now, like borkhisa , move on in different directions, reasoning and speaking in platonism, and maybe you can touch on his family tragedy, because well

, he... was not repressed, yes, he was not arrested, although, although in fact it is of course amazing that he was not arrested, especially considering that almost all the police officers who worked under his leadership in voronezh, all of them went to prison at the end of the twenties, so in an understandable way, he was the only one who was not touched, it's just that he went to moscow in some sense got lost, but this happened in the very year when he was scolded for the chronicle in the program, since in my opinion not a single soviet writer was scolded, that's how much rage stalin had around himself distributed, and which his subordinates saluted, this barrage of crazy criticism, showered on platonov, which he took very hard, he was effectively thrown out of literary life for more than two years, in a sense his happiness was that he said about himself: i am a technical person.