"hello, i need a mini-loan for repairs, here it is written different, and which one is better to take , none, go home, you will have a personal one,

excuse me, is this that window, or where should i go? no, no, everything is correct, what amount are you interested in? i need a million. well, we have an economy rate with a minimum rate of 11.5%. and mandatory deposit insurance. the economy rate suits me. bubka, you know how to count, you will take a million, and you will pay back one and a half. to hell with such repairs, got up and left here. go borrow money from your friends. come on, go kristoradi.

in general, our boss is a sweetheart, but if he refuses, come back in a week, it will be my office, i was expecting a promotion, life is a game of chairs, vanya, yes, i understand, at one peak for sure, at another, no, we need to make room for a new person, vanya, why don't i have artur, your indicators are average and the person, you are not sociable, not sociable, i spent a year making cold calls, i spent a year in the exchange office, for what?

i took out a mortgage in our bank, and how old is she? 18, vanya, make way for the young, write statement, resign under the employment contract, otherwise i'll go to court, you're late with your mortgage payment, i had my teeth done, i was going to close 2 months right after the promotion, either you write the statement yourself, i'll personally give you an extension, or i'll give you a very sweet... life, you just tore up a forest of papers, anechka, hi , how's dad doing, maybe you should have signed it, no, that's wrong. you can

handle it, we'll handle it, let's not do it now, i'm tired, what happened, are you upset about something, no, and what hurts, no. well, why can't you tell me? i can’t, tell me what happened, oh my god, okay, i didn’t want to today, because you’re already depressed from work. i ’m tired, vanya, you see, we ’ve been about to start living together for 5 years now, and it just never ends, and besides, i fell in love. that last one, i

didn’t understand, i wasn’t looking for love on purpose, it found us itself. alyona’s birthday, yes, the one you told me not to come to because it was boring there, you and i have been soul to soul since university, vanya, we ’ve been locked in on each other, you see, and i want to live, i want to have fun, i want to hang out, we we hang out, we go to quizzes, to quizzes, vanya, and you know, in life there are a lot of interesting things, imagine, and in general, i want to start a new life, a new life, at 30, yes 30. this is the new 20, i'm breathing, i'll beat someone's face. arsen, cms, in boxing. arsen, right? vanya, well, grab, well, night, oh, well, vanya, you have a week, to pack your things and get

out of my apartment. can i take some furniture? you revzen to ivan viktorovich, no, i'm arsen, marker, can i, thank you, that's it, in short, let's go, let's go, passport, seriously? i go to this store 2 years since you moved, do you really have to ask for your passport every time? young man, i don't remember you, here's my passport, i'm 30, i see that you sleep in the refrigerator?

thank you for falling in love with you again without any problems? what a handsome man now, i generally think that charity is of course good, but i'm against it, you know, when they expect handouts, after all, i'm for supporting talented, proactive people, those who fight, you know, i used to not understand the mother about the son of my mother's friend, i threw away all the fetish stuff, now i'm catching up. we recently supported a school young leader, what kind of young leader? and this is a summer camp where children get assignments and where we identify the winners, because the eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh grade is our future, this is the future of our country, i supported the project in the youth committee, where i

managed to get a special scholarship for the winner, 3,500 per month, this is much cooler, 10 million rubles for the winner, that's cool. yes, the link will be in the description of this video, and now let's be honest, how much do you really earn, i really feel uncomfortable talking about it, honestly, not because of me, well, choirs, how much, a million a day, more. arthur, what am i doing wrong in life? what? colic is foaming at the mouth 5 years at the institute never passed a test myself, you copied everything from me, and now how much do you understand, someone would ask me how much i understand with a gold medal and a red diploma, everyone's

life has worked out, except for me, why does everyone, because you open these social networks, everyone gets married there, i don't know, has children, travels to these. shitty master classes go, well, delete social networks, why are you doing all this look, you want some of your signature cupcakes i'll give you, you'll feel better right away. and that no one smoked, have you seen what

kids look like now, you can't tell, 35 or 15, eight mutants, damn, that's right, your camp is for the talented and proactive, oops, super. first round, essay, what are you doing, vanya, are you going to a children's camp, 10 million, artura, i 'll close the mortgage, you said it yourself, i look like a seventeen-year-old, how do you change the year in your passport, i saw how they do it at our bank, you make a photocopy of your passport, you correct the date and make a copy of the copy, not bad, listen, then split the money in half, split it in half, we came up with all this together, i told you about the pakistani, you tweaked it, and that's how the idea was born, i don't need 8 million to

pay off the mortgage, you need two, okay, go ahead , show that russia is a great country, we need to catch up with cupcakes, no, no, that won't work, you have vodka, now we 'll write an essay for that amount, and how much, i'll decide everything, your mother, what should we do?

first, shave your beard, grandpa, second, you need permission from your parents to go to camp, i love you, irma, what's going on, explain, maybe your girlfriend is special, you chose her yourself, when she becomes an artist, what will happen to you, you smile in vain, this friend told me that your nenel got involved with a bad crowd. they are engaged in fraud, oh, hello, you promised me that there would be no problems, none, leave my daughter alone, you understand that ninyl can end up in real danger, the camera is rolling, the sound is on, let's go, hello, ninel, the premiere of a multi-part film, from monday on channel one and for love. this is the place, i accidentally ended up in crimea

during the liberation of crimea, and then odessa happened, for me this is probably the beginning, when something switched, i was killed by a beautiful, big plane, i think that it hurts her a lot, but she does not scream, she sings, she really wants to live, a battle mage, that is , i am kind of weak in myself, but my magic is powerful, well, let's go, come on, war. nothing extra either, not everyone can do it, well, when a man is understandable, yes, here is a girl, zhada donbass, she arrived, sat on a box, took guitar, with us there with one bowl of soup, it makes her native, volunteer, yulia checherina is awarded the medal participant of the special military operation, her generation is fighting, who grew up on her song, these are ours.

way, why did i spend all my childhood on tutors, and why did i learn to play the fano, 7 years on the keys for development and to play in the company, in the company, in which company is royal now, among the white guards, now in life. the main thing is to be able to spin, to make acquaintances, well, tyrypyry chik-chirik, that's what decides, you want to outsmart everyone, but you're not like that, you'll be ashamed, i don't want the right way, i want the fast and wrong way, so please, play along with me, do something useful for me at least once in my life, at least once, so, i want to say right away that we really

liked vanya's essay about russia, so profound and... i would even say, with some melancholy, a standard agreement that you trust us with your minor child, and they will feed him there, mom, yes, of course, all 5 days, three meals a day, he's just allergic to nuts, mom, coconut, yes, we'll take it into account, and if something happens to him, if his guys bully him, don't worry, we have a modern creative camp, everything is very friendly, sign, let's go. "mom, you're overdoing it, yes, i'm really worried, i watched the series school, and how will you be there alone with these, you sexy deleted, your kapenets will definitely not come to camp, that's right, he's in singapore for a month, cool, well, i even found my school player, yes, i think i forgot to close it, what

a portal 2007, you even rolled up your jeans boomer"? well, that's youthful, no, well, so, so, let's start with something you've never done, let's listen to popular, i hate rap, so you don't get caught, you should be into youth themes, "chick, it's not that offensive, no crush, bandicoot, darling, yeah, that's the fashion now, all the boys do shit for themselves, why, so that the pussies will moose, come on, vanya, i believe in you, kick that schoolgirl's ass for us completely,

a 20-minute adventure, we came in and came out, i'm in references, everything will be band bro!". calm down, come on, the sun lit up the horizon, the morning interrupted my sweet dream, i woke up, i was amazed, felt the damage of the years, on this day they gave birth to me, on this day you. normal, we're playing snowball, name

everyone by name, are you the last one, or weren't you listening to us, why were you listening? igor, vanya, sasha, zhenya, anechka, vitalik, anton, vadim, yulia, the second igor, amazing, not a single coincidence, not a single one, even with vitalik, no, you want to say, you're not vitalik, yes, let's do it this way, we'll continue, and you'll join in, okay? so people, follow me, let's move in, let's go, let's go, upstairs!

"you know, i used to smoke too, i thought i look so much cooler, more mature, but at 22 i realized that coolness, it’s not about that, maturity, you know, let’s hurry up, guys, and i ’ll help, thanks!” don’t litter, it ’s bad for the environment, vitalik, that’s our thing, so i’m a neat freak, i’ll live with you, i ’m not vitalik. vanya, i’m arsen, arsen, arsenchik, arsenoid, future burner of women’s hearts, so where

’s our building, hey, skin, me, yes, yes, you, where’s our building, totally wild, so, guys, free up some for arsenchik and me. two beautiful beds by the window, listen, dude, my one by the window, man, what class are you from? from tenth, why? arsenchik, you're there by the door, fall down, don't get lost, and i'll settle down here, oops, soup, what kind of broth, beef, yes, but i asked you to make two, we have vegetarians, well, i'll put some for them without the thickener, no, let's make a second one quickly and another, then, and revzinzin no nuts, zhukova - she can't have fruit compote, and davidov. is there anything with lactose in our salad? listen,

everyone eats everything so far, no one has complained. any problems? elena vladimirovna, youth committee, everything is great with us, we're ready start the shift. nikolay praised you very much, i hope that everything will go well, and the grant is in your pocket. and you, like, will be watching us? i have a proposal right away. let's, so as not to embarrass the children, i will be like the third counselor, firstly, i will see everything from the inside, then, you know, i have experience, 20 years in education, even before joining the party, the cpsu, young man, how old do you think i am, no, not the cpsu, but almost. and you are vanya, yes, there are no people busy here, guys, enjoy your meal, i repeat,

my name is lera and i am glad to welcome you to my school of the young leader, i am nastya, you are conducting it no longer we are playing for the sake of experience, communication , well, you are like a rebel boy, you are very lucky, thanks to a wonderful person, businessman and philanthropist nikolai kovpinets, yes, these counselors themselves. and will receive a prize, but you are all already finalists , great fellows, the truth is, the truth is that the money will remain only for one, the rest

are nonsense, remember, of course, you all handed over your phones, but nevertheless, if one of you is caught cheating or spying on the internet, an instant disqualification bye-bye, and you don't like anything here at all, well, today after dinner you have your first test, yes, you will need to make an oral presentation, a meeting in the gazebo, well, what about quiet time, well , i think that money should not stand still, since it loses its value due to inflation, money should work, constantly move, which will benefit not only me, but the economy as a whole. the state, society, i relied on my own startup, and one of the most promising areas now is the field cyberinfluencers, it seems to me that the most

important thing for a person is family, i have eight brothers and sisters, unfortunately we do not live very richly, but i would definitely share the money i won so that we could all get a good education, we could become a great team, thank you. did not, ohayao, in my opinion, the modern world is a global village, every person simply needs to be open to the world and know several languages. with the money from the winnings, i would like to make a round-the-world trip, to see how people live all over our planet. in addition, i would like to live in japan and get a higher education there. it is one of the most advanced countries in the world , and i am also a little into manga.

i agree that money should work, but i do not believe in internet technologies, it would be much more reliable to buy an apartment in new moscow with the money from the winnings, in a couple of years they will definitely build a metro there, the apartment will go up in price twice as much. so, let's analyze your speeches, it's almost 10 lights out, no. please, give me literally 10 minutes, it's impossible, a single rule for all camps, something is wrong with my presentation, well, let's start with the fact that it lacked internal logic, and in my opinion you have judged me, well , i forgive you for the first time, so be it, and tomorrow watch me,

is this a threat? no need, young man, otherwise we will have to apply sanctions, what sanctions, you have a friendly camp, do not punish children, or do you want to touch my other knee, i will touch you, if necessary, for whatever you want, got it, quickly in the body. i have a digital hunger, if i do not now i'll leaf through it, i just won't fall asleep, yeah, let's have an imaginary one, i'm posting it in our room #myteam, lois, counselor lera posted a photo in a bathing suit, like a heart on google images, is that a player, yeah, where did you buy it? where on

aliexpress, and what are you listening to? you won't like it, it's rock, toxicman. and i'm not vitalik, topchik, i'm first, vanchik, that's it, time to sleep, now, mom, i 'll just watch it until i'm sick, okay, okay,

just not for long. hi, i'm vanya. you came into the house incorrectly, incorrectly, and you scare me, maybe you'll knock me down, well, and when you fall asleep, you know how it is in the zone they hit with a sharpener, like this, like this, are you quiet, have you been sitting or something?

good morning, pavlik! how do you like it? do i no longer look like an old lady from the communist party of the soviet union? no, it suits you very well. so, i see that you have all already divided into teams. vanya, you need a team. but what's the point, only one will get the money anyway. who wants to be on vanya's team? i will, and let's have another one, and arsenault? the first test is called the egg drop, each team is given a raw egg, you need to build a protective container from scrap materials in order to drop the egg from a five-meter heights, it didn't break. you have 15 minutes,

let's go! foam rubber, share with everyone, the doll will now wrap the egg with foam rubber, everything, she's just some kind of crap left, well, that's it, we've ruined the rink, calm down, calm down, i saw something similar on the show crazy hands, who's hosting it, dzyuba, go away, look, we need to make a box to fix the egg in the middle with a rope so that it doesn't hit the walls, 5 minutes for the testicles, 5 minutes, more like 5 minutes left, well, we need to make two holes, but are there any nails, no, we're out, okay, give me a knife, there is no knife there, well give me your knife, where did i get a knife, you all have a knife, who has it with us, so arsen, we can lose the first competition, i don't have a knife, arsen, give

me a knife, i know i have one, where can i get a knife, i'm really going to lose now, come on! time, well, let's get started, team number one, ready, whole, congratulations, and you've packed the box tightly, of course, team number two, well, it's obviously broken, it even splashed on my face, it splashed on my face, quiet, quiet, spent, you won't like that,

what am i going to say, radoslaw sekorski, polish russophobe with british passport, you can join nato as soon as you win the war. for the poles too, there will be a choice, either an adequate, normal future of the country, and that is with us, with belarus, with russia, with other countries of the eurasian union. or to the west there, but then the ethnic

pole will soon disappear. we all need to unite together in a big slavic union and expel america from the continent. the show vavan and lexus, premieres on wednesday on the first. i ask forgive me for my appearance, but i would like to make it a little clearer, who are you actually, and i am viktor vladimirovich , major kolyonny, retired, volodya, i killed a man, sometimes women with high social responsibility are much more terrible than women with low, but never mind, it was from this point that the fatal blow was dealt, like this, like this... "if i had known that you were coming to exterminate cockroaches, i would have arrived in a limousine, you know, among muslims, like a child belongs to the clan of the father, dad, and

what your real wife did in the car with her first husband, you know, that's what the investigation is going to establish." and in our yard the season is interrupted, next sunday is on the first. a logic task, the faster you complete it, the more points you get, the numbers are in the lafovite order, easy, that's it, well done! reproduce this tower as accurately as possible, 5 minutes in total, let's go, 15 matches, not bad, all

20 parts, wow, cool, how is that possible, and what are you, a chetya or something? count how many are here red vitali, well, count. vanya, i think we've already talked about smoking, pasha, don't whine, i'm not pasha, i'm a counselor, pasha, and for the sake of people like you, i won't be friendly anymore, from this day on the fines start. so minus 10 points for smoking, eh, that's unfair, you can't change your own rules,

how smart you are, just beyond your years, quite according to my young years, well, well, another minus 10 points for bickering, remember, i'm the rule here, but whatever, you can't catch up with yegor anyway. he's smart like einstein, handsome, strong, brave, such deep-eyed boys save germany, stop it, you're much prettier and anyway, come to me after lights out, why?

the guy didn't fit in, he didn't fit in, oh no,

i have my own, as they say, always, you know, i myself often didn't fit in as a child, yes, my parents were constantly nagging me, well, so that i would study excellently, and the kids at school , on the contrary, hated me for being an upstart and a nerd, it is very important for such children that someone believes in them. let them open up, that 's the essence of our school, well yes, i 'll talk to him, what a sweet idealism, well, pavlik, what are we going to do, cards in the locker room, huh? just kidding, just kidding, although,

oh, it doesn't work, yeah. dude, i won't win, all the kids here are smarter than me, one guy is a fucking genius, sniff, pull yourself together, you're twice their age, i've already spent my share in my mind, but i can't, well, well, take me away from here, please, nothing will work out, i'm calling my mom, i get it, vanya, let's go talk, yeah. you need to stop smoking and arguing with

pavel, you were a confident average player, and after the penalties you dropped to nineteenth place, well then it's not meant to be, forget it, forget it, yes you can be on first-name terms, vanya, there are still a lot of tasks, you can win back, the prize is cool, but it's more important that you discover your strengths here, and i don't know, reveal your potential, i don't believe in these fairy tales from american movies about... discovering strengths, revealing potential, believing in yourself and so on, in every movie there is a main character, and there is a guy in the background who is running from a falling skyscraper and this guy is me, you are 17, where did you come from? tell me, who is this woman next to

pavel? she looks at him with such tenderness looks that at first i thought it was his mom, to be honest, she was... will i have my big school in the future or not, this is my dream, what cool races we had, we always had fun without all this boring stuff, i miss all this so much, well now i need to pretend to be someone else once to solve the problem and move on, like that, okay. for the sake of your dream i promise not to argue and not to smoke, thank you, vanya, you are better than you think, and what's going on? i don't know, you yourself hold my hand, and what do we have

here it's after lights out, and we decided to play a little destrending, and what are the rules? you need to move the box to another building, and then, and then another box to another building, i wonder, otherwise kadima, let's go to sifa, no, arsen, sifa, no, don't let us , go to bed quickly, sifa, it's somehow connected with syphilis, it doesn't matter, well, like , it hits you, you throw another one and he drives, ivan, we agreed, it's probably already busy, someone said that... tataet fun.

what are you talking about, egor? we have fines from today for breaking the rules, say thank you that i slept with you and not lera, everyone got minus 30 points, i live in the building. damn, i got carried away, it's hard to pretend all the time, right? yeah, damn, sorry, it's, it's my fault, it's not pedagogical, come on, what are you talking about, vanya, stop, what's wrong with you, you're 17, not 27, and in general, get going to bed, i was already thinking you wouldn't offer me, to your bed, vanya, you're alive, we

won't be fined. what is that, lipstick? you managed to squeeze my face, really, you're not such a noob as i thought, and you had it with a girl once, well , for real, it would be sad if not never happened, guys don't talk about things like that, hang up.

vanya, i wanted to say, we need to talk to adults. ler, yesterday was a really stupid situation, well, we have a competition, i'm a participant, you're on the jury. it's unfair to the other guys, and aunt elena will approve of me, so let's put it off until the end of the trip , pretend that nothing happened, okay, well, cool, yesterday didn't go, i thought, okay, setboy is a hican, and everyone is already picking you up and shipping you, nastya, forgive me, i really didn't understand you, and forgive me, but you don't have normal coffee, well, espresso, i just can't live without it i'll wake up, my god, how businesslike! oh, give him an express, drink cocoa, it will be healthier , i see, thank you, bon appetit to everyone, and we have

a surprise, a man who has done a lot for us and whom we all really want to see, meet nikolay kovpinet, what's wrong with you, i don't have a cover here. what are you here for, here's breakfast and not a canteen in the camp, what for, to win 10 million rubles? right, wrong, money is just pieces of paper, nothing, look,

can this be the main thing, no, love, the main thing is to accept it and give it to other friends, that's it you, what can you do better than other people, uh, draw, you draw, great. and you, little black one, yeah, what can you do better than others? i don't know, okay, you draw, you give this world love and beauty, putting it into your work, but you need to eat something, so, where do you live, alas, you can't go to the store, give your drawing and get candy for it, well, let's say, you have candy, but you need a car, you have a car, but you need a drawing, you have a drawing. but you need candy, how can we all get what we want, with the help

of money, well done, what's your name? arsen, that's what i thought, come on arsen, say it again, just louder, with the help of money, once again, louder, bolder, like plato shouted the word eureka, come on, money, money, let's help arzen, all together, money, once again, money, once again, all together. yes, money is the equivalent of your talent, your love, your energy, get off these chilly girls, show me your drawing, i'm buying it, now you have money to get candy, that's how it works, but i wanted to leave, the more you give, the more you get back, share your energy with the world and never. don't stop, here i am, i will never stop, i am a coach, and

a hockey player, and a pilot, a fireman, and a revolutionary, and i will not stop, egor davidov, who is this, it 's me, it's you, yes, will you stop, no, you 're going first now, will you stop, no, who is yours? becomes, no, the correct answer was no one, but it doesn't matter, my children, life is a game of king of the mountain, we are all crawling through the mud to the top, you will get there, yes, at any cost, yes, i charge on success you, i charge myself for success, i can charge the whole country for success 10 times a day. success the whole country, all together, i charge you for success, i charge myself for success, i

can charge the whole country for success 10 times a day, and now a photo, i really need your help. my mother fell for a scammer's tricks, four real stories: we met on a dating site, i saw these diamonds, i checked them, it was all real, four different women, i asked, why the investigative committee, how could you be in the fsb work, who have only one thing in common, he introduced himself as a businessman, all of them became victims of manipulators. "i couldn't imagine that he could deceive me, and one of them is still under the influence of the swindler,

maybe he is playing his best with you." maybe the ideological inspirer of this whole operation was his wife. for the sake of love, someone loses money, it's just paper, someone lost himself. it is impossible to live further. if a man asks you for money, run away from him. manipulators, a scam for love. premiere. with september 14 on saturdays. on the first, over the last 7 years there have been 17 hostage takings, i will blow myself up, this is clear, unfortunately, the statistics are not encouraging, shut up everyone, from this second you are all hostages, are you crazy, wait, my name is zaitsev,

nikolaevich, i am the head of the operation to free your children, if you do not show the brightest most decisive victories in the near future that will surprise the whole world, what the hell do we need you for, let it be difficult, there are many enemies around, try to figure out who is who, if necessary, we would not ask you, appointed everything, go to work, i ask you, are you taking on this case or not? i will! stepan, what are your demands? for starters, we demand eight machine guns. can you hear me, eight, eight! uncle, please save my friends! if any of the children get hurt, our negotiations will lose their meaning.

prepare for the assault, the premiere, the commander is on the first saturday. nastya, where is vanya, he was in the canteen, we are waiting for someone, yes, we have one troublemaker here, vanya revzin, it's his own fault that he won't get into the photo, but there should be photos, let's wait a minute, i had one classmate, oh, with the same last name, far from geneika. lerchik , take it off already, everything is okay in singapore, i thought you were leaving for a month, yes, but it turns out that cross-eyed people can work quickly, yes, we are just starting a very interesting game , i will not stay, sorry, i'm passing through, things to do,

listen, we have a lot. here, but we need to find some compromises, stay at least an hour, aren't you interested in what you invested in? i invested in you, then i did not, that i don't like children, well, they just tease me a little, it just happened, well done, you're great, you're doing a great job with him, let's do it this way, when you come back, i'm

having fun with him in the city, we'll give him a fucking romantic, m y a g? there goes, forgive me, for what? you forgive me. well, finally, everyone's here. so, a real leader is, first of all , an excellent strategist. so we'll play a strategy game. you will govern states, from ancient times to the present day. each country initially has its own bonuses and penalties, which you will need to manage wisely in order to achieve one of the possible victories. the first four places will receive points. what, arsenic, haven't you greased the table? the rules are on your tables, study them! so, the first move: i build a city wall, discover the carpentry technology, send an expedition to japan, offer a trade agreement, accept an agreement with england, build an army, and in the meantime, perhaps, i'll save up a little, the next move: well done,

china invented gunpowder, italy enters the modern era, well, congratulations! the czech republic has ended the middle ages, yegor, can i sit with you, and then sasha spits at me, bro, sorry, i don't have much space, forgive me, but you have the biggest table. i'm here on the edge, please, don't cross this line, got it, this table is for me, why does egor have so many chips again, he's in the lead, what did he play this game before, it's out of the question, the game, my diploma project at the game technology department, who comes up with the department, well, go to russia, i 'll pay you, i won't win anyway, but you 'll boost your points, yeah, and yours too, and the us will win, no. we're imposing sanctions against russia, we we have already signed a contract for gas, i will deliver the gas to you myself in cubes, i have the technology, it will be twice as expensive, i know you want to smoke, my friend, but these are your northern territories, come on, i have a bonus

card, a political scandal, i can ruin yegor's reputation by 10 points, i knew that you would not let me down, your highness. yegor, listen, yegor made some kind of pogrom on the desk, can i sit with you? lord, okay, sit down quietly, at least the usa, build banks, arsen, don't tell me, okay, banks are profitable, damn, i said, i know what to do, well, livelier than the us, so, 10 turns have passed, my... admiral marshall's fleet approaches vladivostok and i land my troops in primorye, and i use the bonus card turn and it says that at any time in the game from advenite the opponent's token six cells back.

what kind of crap is this, well, what's wrong with this game, well , why should it simulate real life, where have you seen in real life a fleet sail for 10 years, and then an unknown force pushed it away, i mean, i opened this bonus, when he built the egyptian pyramids, by the way , i also have a big question about these egyptian pyramids near samara. everything is done according to the rules, egor, yes, ah, i use the skolkovo bonus card and open the perpetual motion technology, scientific, victory, 50 points for russia, hurray, yes, this is a skolkovo bonus card for laundering money, why did he only have good bonuses the whole game, where are these cards, laziness, alcoholism, well, i don’t know, why do anything there, we won’t change anything, vanya, breathe out, i think you got a little carried away, here... man, and you are not happy with the victory russia? okay, what about second place? so, let's count the points, second place, 40 points

, israel takes it, economic victory, how did you save so much gold, and a secret, third place - 30 points usa, and fourth - 20 points england, thanks everyone for the game, well done, what the hell, a pyramid, egor, egor, listen, i'm sorry, did i freak out, i was wrong, you're really cool, i, i'm very interested in how you managed to win, but what tactics did you use, oh yeah, yeah, you just intuitively somehow put these pyramids egyptian and all, but these pyramids, yeah, yeah, these, huh? okay, you realize that this is the mayan pyramid in south america? dude, what difference does it make that you're picking on? okay, sorry, what's the capital of brazil? rio, rioja, yeah,

brazil, oh sorry, okay, and the last question, how many planets are in the solar system, dude, there are... he's stupid, that's it, that 's it, bye, it's started, guys, hurry up and grab your phones and call fuza, damn, how can i get through to this stinking belly, since everyone can get through and they're playing really badly for them. i think i get it, it's impossible to get through there, it's a scam, but suckers like us make them a rating, well, it's not fair, life in general

is not fair, either they deceive us, or we deceive, arthur, there 's something fishy here. and why does the kovpinets need all this, hm? what's in it for him? and aunt lena is not here for nothing, find me everything about this competition and about one participant. egor davidov 17 years old, well, how can i find you, i'm not a hacker, well , you find your own ingredients, so work for your share, check, check, check, olas, what do you have there, girls, let's have a party, and the code is in 2 minutes, it's going to be a secret party, and at yours or ours, at yours, at ours , five guys just stink of socks, you understand, we agreed, so what are we sitting around for? well

, come on, let's get ready, girls, they're inviting us to a dance party at their place, yes, that's where nastya is, yes, yes, yes, where nastya is, come on, come on, come on, get ready, let's go, there's a big one in the hallway, you through the window, come on, and you, and i 'll be waiting for lera, so if you see a sock on the door handle. well, you understand, what's the matter business, it's like in american pie, oh okay, fine, go, come on!

balaga, you've already predicted me twice, well , you're having a party, i thought it was so fun, oh well , everyone there is an idiot, listen, forgive me, i'm tired, really tired, i'm going to sleep, hmm. you have a player like my dad's, what are you listening to, you don't know, it's rock, well, i actually like rock, especially indie, news, franc ferdinand, casabian, arctic mankis, and you don't listen to rap, well no, i like music of the 2000s, the 2000s were a great time, okay, since you're such a music lover, i

'll show you something, it's from ours. it's funny, i've never kissed before, nastya, don't you think you're in a hurry at 17? and i'm not 17, i'm 14, damn it,

nastya, that's wrong, go away, i'm not going anywhere, why are you always turning me down, you don't like me at all, no, that's not it, it's just okay, then i'll go, we'll hang out after lights out again, i'll have a smoke, i'm really alive, what do you think, you put on these shorts, like... everything is possible in the russian period, but you're like this, everything is not so childish anymore, i'll teach you discipline, you'll sleep in the hallway, come in minus 100 points to the room, got me, just try to leave here, hello, did you find anything, imagine, neo from the matrix is ​​also a program, it turns out, and the chosen one is an agency. mid, there is evidence for penz,

yes, it seems he is clean, he was just defending his project for the camp, he was allocated 15 million, five for implementation, 10 for the prize, five for implementation, then why are we in this camp not at the ball, and so and egor, i found cheat sheets for all the tasks on him today, wow, and what will you do, i'll give up my main competitor, hmm with the rest you can handle the kids, you're right, i'll beat him with a weapon, keep on dripping. i promised not to be a hooligan. ler, forgive me, but can i ask you a question? how did you and kavpinets meet? i once invited him to our master class,

as a successful businessman. he was interested in the project, and he presented the idea at the competition in the committee. well, that is, you know him well, right? quite well. a pair, two boots, but i almost believed you, what are you talking about, i think, really, naive, that i'm surprised, in our country everything is like that, well, for the construction of a children's playground it allocates million rubles, and builds for a hundred from tires, the rest in his pocket, vanya, what are you talking about, the gofinets has never done anything honestly in his life, he even managed to sell free travel passes at the institute, and you sawed up the camp well, how much is five?

how did you hang out with the girls yesterday, it was fine, and why did lera punish you, you were rude, who can figure out these women, a new day, a new one! yeah, did you lose something? oh no, nothing,

that's all i have. well, you can, like, give them bonuses, i don't agree, we should separate motivation and stimulation, bonuses are short-term stimulation, it is important for us to set the task of personal growth. how could you lose your cheat sheets, you couldn't learn them yourself, there are a lot of these sheets, idiot, you can win the last task, i don't even remember what was there, okay, i'll sort it out, hello, arthur,

we almost won, cool. what did you find about egor ? egor davidov, the son of olga davidova, and she is the daughter of nikita kovpinets, olga kovpinets in the movement, and nikita kovpinets is nikolai kovpinets's father. wait, wait, so it turns out that egor is his nephew? yeah, listen, don't you want me to i'll fly the cafeteria's house on a drone, when did that help? did lera really know? i can't even believe it. send to... to the camp mail everything you found yesterday about the money, let's see her reaction,

wow, so someone is cheating, you took it right out of my mouth, yes, one of the kids has cheat sheets, where did they get them from, pasha and i took all the tasks, no one knew anything. the information is reliable, so whoever is at the top of the table, everyone, everyone needs to be searched, and so let's start right with you, and what about 4,700, you don't happen to have it with you, but i didn't understand right now, it's not much hopanuli, terochka, do you really think that all this is for me? no, there is a solid line of respectable people, oh my! the point of my camp is for children to honestly achieve everything on their own, and in fact i was drawn into a corruption scheme, get out of here, enough, enough, we are eating you, okay, you ruined everything yourself,

adults, get out, the money for a taxi is gone, well, quietly, ler, what are you saying, you said everything correctly, well done, don't rush, she has already gotten me with her pensioner flirting, everything is fine. yeah, well, after all, about cheat sheets, maybe we should replace the last competition, please, what cheat sheets, oh my god, okay, i'll replace it with here , that's it, thank you, i'm really busy, i see, sorry, oh, listen, but these provincials, for some reason, they can't, you know, just come and sign.

it's arranged, if you want to get something, then well, you know, that's life, so everything in this world needs to be shared with someone, but that's how it works, but we, knowing, you and i personally don't have a penny of children's money... i don't want my school to be run by such methods, lerochka, forgive me, sorry, i'll come tomorrow and we 'll sort everything out, okay, now get distracted by something and have a rest, okay, kisses, okay, here i am getting a kick in the ass, no, a bad grade , a bad grade, no, a bad grade, i come home, my father looks at my diary yeah. what happened next? so, arsen, for the first time in my life i didn't learn,

i got a bad grade in algebra, of course history, okay, i'm waiting for versions. well, so what do i think, what versions? yes, i know you're not sleeping. oh, you're probably going to vanya's, should we go out? what? no. how about a disco right now? after all, today is last night. why is it always like this, you like a girl someone else, who doesn't care about her?

back, listen, love, it's a strange thing, well it doesn't matter, he'll love you, then suddenly fall out of love, you, if you like a person, you do something good for him, and you 'll feel good about it, yeah, and you seem normal, put on something from the noughties, huh?

stop, i understand you. listen, you, you're the smartest of us all, surely your parents have hounded you into constant clubs, sections and tutors, i beg you, don't rush, this is you will still be there, and his simple, kind and naive childhood cannot be returned, i am talking about my childhood about fukkal. and now i am trying with all my might to make up for lost time, yeah, kimoev, nastya, i am fed up with these ribbons, this

task is especially for you, kovpinets will tear our heads off, if you fail him , go and rest, stop, you are a spur! no, someone is an expor with me, who, who, maybe the one who played well today, revzin, yeah, well of course, okay, go and rest, and i will google him, there you are, you left before nastya and it doesn’t matter, with nastya, listen, i need your traumat, you are generally already, where did i get a traumatic gun? already your leg, but you're an old man, quietly,

don't think about shouting. are you really going to shoot me in the forest and bury me? i really need this money, everyone needs it, how much kolyan promised you, i'll give you more, such an old man, so stupid, but he won't give you his money, do you really think that kovpenets won't outplay you, he'll destroy you, great, now repeat your confession, masha, ghoul, ghoul, ghoul, where are you, come out, i did an internship with the scouts, vai, i can

hide in the forest forever, like rampo. run away from the city, help, quietly, quietly, quietly.

oh, why are you being a hero, leave me , go get your money, dude, shut up, you've reached the limit, how kind we are, you're even worse than me, you decided to play for thirty high school students, and that didn't work out, you loser, 10 from the prize, five events, a total of 15 million, you could have stolen half, well, 2/3, you bastard sawed everything up, why are you picking on me, i only have a hundred, it was

you boomers who came up with the idea of ​​using budget funds, do you think i don't feel sorry for the children, i do, but i'm just a... screw in this system, i was just following orders, you say, like adolf feikhman in court, father, there's a trauma center somewhere. well, okay, everything will be okay with him, where are you, 107 km from the boarding house, i carried him for so long, like sam carried fraud, they say there is no real friendship, tell me when he 'll come to, well, he's been under anesthesia for 3-4 hours, tell me, can you drip him with glucose, saline for 6-7 hours,

the man is exhausted, he needs to rest, replenish his strength, you can, thank you.

there he is, excuse me, such a beautiful morning, i decided take a walk, but... the birds are singing, well finally your excellency, i will repeat the rule especially for you, we are waiting for orienteering, what a policeman to run, how it reveals our

business leadership, and what, were you preparing for another task, wait. so, there are three points on the map, there are ribbons of your colors, find all three and run to the finish line on the ski slope, the winner gets 100 points, second place 80, third 60 and so on, everything is clear, yeah, well, egor, now everything is fair, without cheating, yeah, i have a category in petithorne, get ready.

egor, your uncle is using you, but you 're a normal guy, stop, egor, no one can stop me, got it, we can still win, i have no chance, no, so look, i 'll take your ribbon now, and you run to the third point and take both of ours, we'll meet before the finish, so, you'll come first, and i 'll come second, then we'll have a score of points and we 'll both drag it, and if something happens, well done! it's immediately obvious, my grandfather didn't go to the cellars, vanya, we ran away, i can't, i hurt my leg, okay, let's go!

vanya, and in the evening they'll take you home, and also there will be an official award ceremony, everyone will congratulate you, nikolay kokhpenets will come. vanya, what's wrong, can i help with something? i'm sorry, please, we urgently need to go, his mother is sick, but good news, it will get her back on her feet. yes, thank you for everything, brother , you'll get there. brother, it doesn't matter, congratulations, and may mom get well soon, that means i wanted to tell you so much, but can't you please tell me, a person can treat right away, only vanya's mother can do this, or vanya himself at 18, an account in promobank, you know the one, hi, can you ask our

bank in a brotherly way?

arsen, why did you help me then? well, if you like a girl, you just have to do something nice for her. so, guys, let's sum it up. now everyone will take turns saying what new things they learned on this trip. nastya, are you first? at the same time, with the pain of indifference. but at the same time i realized that it's worth stopping falling for bad guys and taking a closer look at the good, so let's move on. vanya, you're back, and we're just summing it up, arsen's turn, what's the point

gathered like at the grushensky festival, you might as well sing about the bend of the guitar, yeah, i wanted to. say that you are all cool guys, the smartest and most talented, you are the future of our country, even the two of you should have entered here at 11 and formed a kvn team, so that pussy, loyselya, here is arsen, you are cool, it is really strange that you carry a traumatic pistol and a knife with you, but you are the most decent one here, nastya! you are the smartest, you are only 14, and you outplayed us all, lera, the camp is a really cool idea, thank you, i

hope that your dream of a big real school will ever come true, i wanted to say that i do not deserve this money, as well as yegor, he had. "forgive me, i, i, i am a goat and an idiot, i just never had a childhood, and here in these 5 days i got it, i survived it, i got it concentrated like with a kyupi, well, you, you do not understand, i realized that

in order to grow up, you need to properly say goodbye to childhood, beautiful words, appeared as a real movie villain, meet vanechka revzin, my classmate, yes, we are the same age, you have always envied me, but that 5 days of pretending to be a teenager, wow, but this is generally a mind-blowing, but the joke is that you couldn't even do it here, you didn't even have enough talent, your scale. perchka, you know, i shared with someone so that all this could happen, thanks to me, this wonderful, talented boy earned 10 million. well , the rest got invaluable experience, right? no,

egor had cheat sheets, and you are also somehow involved in this. yes, why are you being stupid, egor and his nephew, here is kavpine with her cousin. and who is this little one, huh? god you, tough guy, yegorka, it's you, wow, how you've grown, i remember you so well, wow, you won with your talent, yes, i have a lot of relatives, there are a lot of us koftentsy all over russia, who are you, three grown men. all three of you are such fabulous chatterboxes, my dear, zainka, these two are nobodies, morons,

forgive me, i wanted to wait for your return. i'll do everything for you, school, university, hospital, intergalactic station, the whole world at your feet, just let's pretend that none of this happened, but we don't need glances.

take tiffany's ring. wait, i understand that the transfer of knowing kuzya broke you, but one call to the bank, and the money will still be mine. but i'm talking to adults, not children. again in

the nose, damn, guys, i didn't finish, we already cashed the check, well, i worked at the bank, i have connections there, wow, how everything worked out and got tied up, so the money is... in arthur's car, arsen and nastya deserve 4 million each, because they are real leaders without connections and cheat sheets. the remaining money can be divided between all the participants except for egora and me. ler, well, you'll figure it out, right? so i'll believe you, here's my hand, don't fight me. and don't let go, no matter what happens tomorrow, i'll be

there, i know it, i'll be there, oh, i'll be there, oh, i'll be there, oh, i'll be there. you and i don't need anyone, i don't see anyone, the whole world doesn't matter to me.

well, was your offer a success, am i pleased with myself, am i pleased, mom. for the first time in my life i'm pleased, every one of us is like that. that's why i decided

to invest in a waste recycling plant, as greta thunberg said, tuhandum deplaniet, that's swedish, after all you climb into the garbage, yes i tell you, he was lemon, i don't share, of course, your humor. passport, and how old is the boy, how is his life, young, took out a loan to close the mortgage , i work as a cashier, got divorced, here he is, i, joke, have fun. thank you for

not abandoning me in the forest then and bringing me to the hospital. bye, pash, forgive me, and do you know where lera is now, i can't find her, hello, children, sit down, this time you overestimated your youthfulness, ler, forgive me, please, i have a lesson, forgive him, valeria alexandrovna. that is, you already and the children talked us into it, huh? he gave us some money, bribed us even better. let's try again. what are you talking about, what time again? well, i know how we can get rich. your camp? that's a cool idea,

i've never had so much fun, but not for children, but for adults. i even came up with competitions, like fishing, cooking shashlik, solving a sudoku at... speed, who can sit in the steam room longer, so remind me, how old are you really, well, i'm already 31, why are you sleeping in the refrigerator, ler, listen, the right path, however, does not bear fruit immediately, getting on this right path right away is also not always it turns out, forgive me, give me please, a second chance, right? a second chance, a second chance, how much did you give them, let's start all over again, help each other, get closer, get married, we will have children, so and so cute, i will never let you

down again, honestly, and you are always in such a hurry, i'm 31. i still have time for everything, we untied the wires, eagerly waited for pregnancy , we began to grow up, past future, really, how many will make us up from the past.

i charge you with success in myself, this is brilliant, great! hello, this is a psyche podcast, my name is natalia loseva and we continue to sort through the chests of our problems to look for the right keys, even to extremely difficult life situations. today in the studio with me is logotherapist and existential psychologist svetlana shtokareva, head of the higher school

of logotherapy at the moscow institute of psychoanalysis. hello svetlana. hello, natalia. and our guest is oksana. oksana's request is very clear, oksana, tell me yourself, yes, i am 38 years old, i am married, i have two children, and my big problem is that i still can't move out of parents, yeah, we still live together, that is, how i was born in this house, how i got married and built my career and gave birth to two children, and to this day we continue to live with my parents and not only, but also with my grandmother, who will soon be 80. 4 years old, that is, our situation is such that this is a three-room apartment, in which there are four generations, three housewives in the kitchen, and we live in one room, that is, me, my husband, our two children, and recently we got a kitten, and well, there is such a problem, how many of you people live in it now

three-room apartment, seven people, seven people and animals, yes, and have you ever tried to leave somehow? no, we've been thinking about it for a long time, that we need to leave, well , yes, we wanted to, we want to, but when we start talking about it with my husband. somehow it always turns out that well, it seems like there are no funds, it seems like we don't have enough and so, well, now there, even if we take out some kind of mortgage or rent, then there will be practically nothing left for housing, that is, as if we all time we come to the conclusion that it seems like there is no finance, but on the other hand, when we needed a car, we went and bought one, we found the finances for it, and this is more your initiative now, well, or let's say this, is it? your active thought that it's time to leave, or does your husband also think about it? well, probably, i voice it more, i often start

a conversation on this topic, since i am more at home, i am in contact with everyone more, so basically he leaves for work, comes back in the evening, when everyone has already gone to their rooms, and everything seems to be fine, there are weekends, parents sometimes go to the country, when, of course, everyone stays at home, here we are more ... i return to him and i honestly for myself cannot yet fully answer the question of whether separation has occurred, that is

, whether i really, well, how exactly inside, have i already decided for myself, well, how have i separated from my parents, or somewhere i still resort to them, that is, i also have such a question here that has not yet been fully resolved inside me, what advantages will i receive, well, my great desire is to be a housewife in my... kitchen, raising my own children, and just simply leading my own life the way i want. okay, but what are the downsides? you left? and what are the downsides, that if i need to go somewhere, work, some events, then i have to agree on that, i have to calculate the time to take the children, that is, as if the children are in their nest, they stayed, everything is good, everything is already familiar, i just got up and went about my business. but if we live separately, then it is like, well, moving, this time, that is, this is already separate -

to plan the time, when to come, when to visit, how to help, that is , well, this help is not constant, that is, it will not be as available every day as always, again my grandmother is a lively person, she is a beauty, she loves to cook. that is, i know that it will always be delicious, it will always be delicious, there will definitely always be soup and pancakes. svetlana, before you enter into a dialogue with our guest, i want to ask you, what is the role of a psychologist in such a situation? well , it’s hard to give a clear answer to what will happen in a dialogue with a client, it’s always an art of improvisation, but the goal of this communication is so that a person, well , at least, here... what to do, but also so that all forces are activated so

that this decision is implemented, that is , it’s not enough to realize something, it’s not enough to understand something, you also need to get some kind of internal consent to implement this decision, a very specific plan of action that could be taken at the very the nearest moment, not just such a wow or insight or some kind of such a p...

nest, she thinks about flying out of the nest in which she was staying, in which it is cozy, but at the same time, in order to look for herself some new places, in order to spread her wings herself, this is important, but at the same time, it is also important to show those whom she is leaving in the event of making this decision that everything worked out for them, including that the best parenting is the best parenting when you know that your children can spread their wings and fly on their own, when you with you watch with delight as they soar in the sky,

this is the best, the best gift for parents. if the chick wants it, well, let's help , let's, yeah, oksana, but first you said that there were seven of you, and i counted six, and i, my husband, two children, already four, mom, dad and grandma, and also dad, yes, we know almost nothing about dad, yes, and this is important, i think, yes, of course, what is your relationship with dad, good, nice, with mom too, yes, you said, yes, and how does dad feel? or how do you think, how would he feel if would you create your own nest start living separately with your family? well, it seems to me that a little jealously, in general, in principle, when i got married, it was hard for him to accept my husband, especially the fact that the husband came to our territory, so dad, probably, wanted more

that there were other relationships, so that initially everything worked out a little bit. otherwise, but had to come to terms with the fact that it turned out, now, dad, well, at least he says broadcasts that he is very great with his grandchildren, that how great, that they are here every day, that he comes home from work, he can take them for a walk, that is, as a grandfather, he is now being realized in all his glory, and well, he, he always really said that i do not feel sorry for anything for you and mom, i live only... you now he has grandchildren grandchildren well, well, this is all for them, i am building a dacha there only for them i will leave there a car i buy only for them yeah and well, it seems to me that he will probably be missing something, well, this is my vision yeah, my point and how are their relations with your husband good good yes well my husband

in fact he is a great guy in this regard he tries in every way to win. tried in order to win the trust of parents, to all well arrange them, well after all they have me so to say, they do not grab, my parents there are some stars from the sky, a simple soviet family, well and well we are accustomed to the fact that if it is a family, then it is necessary to be friendly, we all need to be together, together is great, together is cool, that is, if something happens, then we will better survive it together, that is well we have the value of family, it is brought up from the very beginning. yeah, what do you think, is it important to pass this value on to your children, your grandchildren and further? the value of family, yes, traditions, yes, but still i stick to the fact that i try to raise boys so that 18, you are independent and the time will come when you fly away, each to his own nest, and what message would you give them

so that they can do this? i believe, try to do everything so that you can live separately, well, i will help you in every way, as much as i have the opportunity, but i really want each of you to build your own personal life, yeah, why is this important to you, probably because i didn't get it, why is this important to you, i want it myself, why is it important to you that your children build their own lives, so that they can cope with it, why is this important to you, probably, i'm

fine now, why don't i care how things will go for them? because these are my children, at the same time i will get my own personal life, you will get your own personal life, but you said: these are your children, so what it follows that you feel for them, well, love, care, and this is my continuation, this is your

continuation at the same time, something very independent, yeah, that is, they inherited genetics there, they inherited the health that they possibly inherited from you and from their spouses, but at the same time they are independent? people who must go through their own lives, and no one except them is likely to be able to go through this life, you can stand somewhere on the edge of the road and watch them go, but at the same time they must move their own legs, and here you can’t replace them with anyone and you can’t substitute anyone here, everyone must go through their own life, you said that you want it this way because you love them, that you are coming from... love when you watch them go through life on their own, but at the same time you said that your parents also love you very much, yes, would they like to see you go through

this life on your own? i think so, but how can this be expressed, here’s how their love for you can be expressed in terms of your life developed independently, that's what... was, or what, they could address you, what is it possible that you hear from them in this regard? i probably hear it, but maybe i don't perceive it, or maybe my message is not like that, and what do you hear? mom even recently said such a phrase that i am even ready to sell the dacha in order to invest in an apartment, that is, mom is ready to let you go, yes, but then i objected, what am i saying, what are you saying? the dacha, i say, this is the family nest, how is this, this is impossible, well, how, i say, we will find some other way, and mom also talks about the fact that well

, there, now we'll bring gas to the dacha, we 'll be able to move there, she tells me, oksan, well, we don't want to leave this apartment at all, i say, mom, no one's throwing you out, what are you saying, i say, well, this is your apartment, how can i say, it's us who need to move out, not you, us, well, we need to find some ways, we need to find some. well, roads to move out, that is, mom said that she's even ready to sell the dacha to invest in a new house for you, but how can you then observe family traditions if you suddenly you will live separately with your family, you will have your own apartment, your own kitchen, each child will have a room, you and your husband will sit in the living room, then go to the bedroom, you have a beautiful view from the window, and you cook for... order food, but how will family traditions follow, which follow from your parents, how to deal with this, holidays, meetings, joint trips to

the theater, as we like to do, and after school the children can come to grandma's to eat her delicious pies, pancakes and yes, yes, of course, and how old are your children? and 6 years old, five, they are still small, small? if you can do it like that and do it like that, you are a very cool artist. this is definitely michael jackson. let's stop at this point of my confidence. i have only recognized oleshka so far.

now ask yarmolnik to dance like that. anything can happen here. i decided that i will quit. this is an occupation of guessing, i want to be surprised, exactly, the new season from september 15 to sunday, on the first. this is a psyche podcast, watch all the other podcasts on the website 1tv.ru. svetlana, can i ask you, look, you somehow immediately very oksana was quickly brought to her father's line, it seemed to me that this was very, we hit the mark, yeah, and i watched. with oksana, when you were talking about this, and how i read her emotions, it seemed to me, perhaps you will say, oksana, is it true or not, that you are even, perhaps, frightened by the fact that you can upset your father. yes,

there is such a thing, yes, that for dad this will be a blow, maybe this is the hook that holds the whole situation, yeah, what do you think, is there something in this, because i have a feeling that if we are gone, he will become it's really boring to live, because every time he comes home from work, it's there, well, someday he can even pick up the kids from kindergarten, that is, he understands that he's flying home from work, he has responsibilities there now, that he 'll come now, he has... to walk with them, play with them there or watch something, that is, well, his evening is already somehow busy, and if they're not there, it seems to me, he'll get bored, maybe oksana is a hostage to her own kind of filial, still very childish love for dad, maybe here we have there is a request for separation, and this is actually a great story, in general this is a rare situation when you can have such a warm relationship with your parents and...

you definitely have something to pass on to your children, they can see how great it is when such wonderful warm relationships are restored between older and younger family members, but it is no less important for children to see that they too, you want to let them go on their own voyage, it is important for them to see an example of how to rebuild, how can you be together - yes, they don't have a model, in fact, you know, here... and such a famous psychologist, erich from, said that love is once, and that love is when it's good together and good apart, then it's love, when you know, and there you can say it differently, here are two columns about a family, when we talk about two columns that hold some kind of load, here is family life, at the same time they should not stand very close, because the load will fall off and far away, because the load will fail, but they should stand on... a state so that

the wind could blow between them, so that there would be some kind of independence in this column, then this is a good family for marital relations and for relations with different generations, so that the wind could blow, so that there really was an opportunity to be together apart, to know that i can be alone, that i have something to rely on in myself, but i have excellent rear, i have something to lean my shoulder blades on, this is a wonderful story, there is nothing to share further, to pass on this kind of family strategy, that we always know where we'll get together, we can go to the theater, and even i would go further, your dad, who now only comes home, knows that his children are waiting for him there, if you suddenly lived separately, he would have more responsibilities, more tasks, well, coming to visit is a whole story, coming empty-handed, meeting the children, seeing them off.

100% here my awareness is even more included, because i understand that, firstly, this is the person who raised me from the very cradle, my parents also did not show me how to fly out of parental nest, they stayed with her, and my grandmother is the person who took me to kindergarten every day, back, carried me in her arms, that is, she is the person who very wisely supported me during my age of... liberta, yes,

when it was difficult for me to make some decisions, my grandmother was always there, and this is - she always so deftly sat me down at the table with tea, these heart-to-heart conversations, that is, she told me about her childhood, the years after the war, how they had hunger there and and so on, and for her the family, well , basically she conveyed this to me, how valuable this family is, that even now she often says: how great it is that we are all together? "how great it is that we can all be here together, yes, even in a small kitchen, but together, so she maintains this fire in the house, that is, it turns out, svetlana, look, for oksana to leave home, to separate now, this is even to some extent, but if not to betray, then to disappoint her grandmother, the most-most significant adult, yeah, this is just some kind of dead end for us it turns out, in fact, not quite so, but there it is great that..." there is a grandmother - at her

eighty-four years, what has such experience, like this, she is the main, the main hero of this. family and she is the head of this family, she watches, as it were, what is happening and how such a picture unfolds before her, but at the same time, it would probably be important for the grandmother to understand when she leaves, she will definitely leave someday, so that those who remain have the opportunity to still cope without her, maybe, maybe, but... probably now is such a period when for her it is very important to be needed, yes, it is important that she is heard, yeah, and you know, as i understand it, i try to support her in this, that is, and

my husband too, and how, for example, do you do this, well , my husband, for example, there, oh, grandma, there tomorrow on the weekend bake your cheburechki or pies, that is, there are children, for example, i order... soup for her, for her it is so important, for her it is so supportive, yes, that is, she is there even, when the children come home, she is there, oh, let me help you take off your shoes, i understand, no need to take off these shoes, they should do it themselves, you you see, at 5 years old they can take off their shoes themselves, but she can’t, i want to serve you, let me help you, and that is, she has this feeling, when she always helped someone in life, she, well , it was always like that in our house, that no matter who came. she would help everyone, she would always give them another bag with something, they would definitely send them there, she would put at least bread, a piece of butter, but she would definitely give something, that is, she is such a person, she gives, she always gives, now, that is, well, for her it is impossible, but how so change life, how so they yes, and to whom

will i give, what would be the answer, to whom can she give and what can she give, and how can she give, i don’t know, here i have a dead end, here i personally have a dead end, because i see how... in life, for example, she gives to her son-in-law, that is, to my dad, she has looked after him all her life, that is, as if he were her own son, she looks after him, looks after him, irons him, cooks, until a certain age she always cleaned the apartment and so on, that is, when i grew up i said that this is my border, please don't come into my room, i'll clean it myself, i beg you, that is, we had some kind of friction there too, then i finally fought for it, she stopped. how did you do it? well, honestly, at some point it was through swearing, that is, i was already fighting for it with a scream and saying: no, please, i beg you, please don't come in here, because i 'm used to this candlestick standing like this and i don't want it to stand differently, i 'll wipe this dust myself, just please don't

come in, that is, you have already passed a piece of separation, torn a little, now it seems to me that this is the very right moment to move on, about which oksana drew attention, what? what is good parenting in general, what are all these pies for, this here, let me give you the laces, why is all this necessary, for what purpose is all this done, why do we take such care, we pamper and cherish our children, grandchildren and so on, she describes the ideal family, you understand, she describes the family of dreams, especially if you look from side, without going into details, yes, how it looks, it is a really close-knit family, in which everyone appreciates each other, it is, look, after all, its non-separation, as it seems to me. it is not the non-separation of an infantile person, no, on the contrary, she thinks about everyone, she thinks about the children, about dad, about mom, about grandma, that is, she leaves not because it is so infantilely convenient for her, but because her soul aches for everything, here we are externally, it seems so ideal, it is so great,

so cool, yeah, but still, there is love, which is manifested precisely in giving space to another. person, yes, so that everything works out for the other, when i leave, you like to let go, grandma will leave, she should be calm, this is very important, to be calm , that those who remain will be fine, that they know how to fry chicken, that they can cook chebureki themselves, remembering grandma, how she taught how to do it, every time you eat chebureki, after a certain number of years you will remember your grandmother, that these are chebureki and which are named after grandma, and this is such a wonderful story, in this sense , really older relatives, yes, they do all this with one single goal, well, at least they should do it not in order to feel good, to feel everyone next to them,

so here everything is like a chicken under my wings, under supervision, but so that when there is no supervision, and such will definitely come, so that everything is in order, this is the most important task. grandma is still not very sure, perhaps in you, your this an independent demarche in the good sense of the word, i could tell my grandmother that everything is fine. my children, grandchildren, everything is fine with them, they will cope, this does not mean that it is time for me to die, no, it means that on sunday we will come on a cheburet, it means that i have something to do there on sunday in order to continue these traditions there, so that every holiday, we know where we will gather, and somehow contribute to this holiday, but it is very disturbing if i do not know how it is there without me, yeah, and here you can just p...

then i want to do it myself, if i see that my mother can go somewhere herself, saying that she has things to do, that it is an important job, then i can also have some important things to do, some important job, how else will i learn that i can do something on my own, this is a psyche podcast, where i, a journalist...

personal life, personal life, well, they probably haven’t learned this at all with dad oksana, in general, it’s not too late to start, this is such a wonderful mature married couple, where dad is so loving, so reverent, so responsive, this can be a completely new stage of life for mature parents, how old are your parents, mom 63, dad 61, well , young in general is a wonderful age? people have a very hard time with their children leaving,

leaving home, but only if they have nothing else , and what do your parents have, oksana, that could replace those weekdays when you are not there, well, dad works, my mom is generally great in this regard, she is a needlewoman, she is a traveler, excursions on excursions, theaters, they travel together with dad, extremely rarely, because basically now mom is already retired and she has a sister who is also retired, so they go on excursions together, that is, they are like each other's best friends and they are still together, this is also a very big rarity and it's great when sisters maintain such relationships, but at the same time mom also has such a vector of development in the good sense of the word, when their relationship with dad also... can be some other way, when dad is also involved

some trips, excursions, she tries, she tries there, and dad, dad sometimes gives in, well dad for now, probably has more important things to do, a working person, well, a young man at work, what can there be here dad just likes, for example, to come to the dacha and relax, and i also saw this thread, you said that your mother spends a lot of time with her sister, yeah. i understand that they have a close relationship, yes, very much, but at the same time they do not need to live together, maybe also an example for everyone, yes, yes, yes, well, you know, like, so in fact it also turned out very interesting in life, they, they are twins, the difference between their births is half an hour, yes, it turned out that her sister got married first, when my grandfather at one time received an apartment, that is, they decided that the apartment would remain... the newlyweds, and then a few years later my mother got married, gave birth to a child already somehow, well, so

sometimes i ask, i say, why well , as if you still didn’t have a goal there - to buy an apartment, they say, well , somehow we lived, it seemed like we had enough, everything was okay, now of course, well it's a bit cramped - a bit cramped, well oksana, have you got any ideas or feelings that will help you with this situation? without an obvious solution to the strategy of the solution for you, to start sorting it out, i felt light inside, a light understanding that... when i leave, my parents and my grandmother will be able to be happy and content that i am building my personal life, absolutely for sure, and what i liked was when oksana said, not if i leave, when i leave, well that's it indeed, you know, i have this problem and this moment has been

sitting in me like a ball for a long time, now i understand that this ball is unraveling and i... it just becomes easy, easy from the realization that i can, you know, this is actually a very important thing, that you say this, because it is such a warm, precisely warm, conscious, i would not even say a separation, but a transition to a new quality of life, and under such circumstances it is very important for those who set out on a good path.

leaves, as she says, with a light feeling and with the words that i can, and it seems to me that with a whole plan of how to act. svetlana, you did not tell the heroine what to do, you did not give advice, you simply asked questions, was it improvisation or was it some kind of technique for the heroine to come to

a solution to the issues, well, it was definitely improvisation there, but at the same time ... that which can become such a style of conducting a consultation, a style of conducting a conversation, when i relied on the best that is in our the heroine, on what has not yet been revealed, but is definitely ripe for being revealed, and it seemed to me that it was important to look at that meaningful, absolutely accurate, potential that can and should be used, instead of... sorting out the traumatic experience of destructive relationships, where, how more important, more correct, it seems to me, it is very useful to look at what should appear, from what is needed for it to appear, instead of sawing there about how terrible this is in general history, that my god, four generations are hanging around in one kitchen, it's not interesting,

i like the positive approach of the logotherapist existential psychologist svetlana shtokareva, who helped our heroine. oksana, as i see it and as it seems to me, to solve her not very simple and easy situation. it was a podcast psyche. hello, this is a podcast 20 years later, and we are its host konstantin mikhailov. and alexander anatolyevich, today we have a wonderful guest, whom we are so pleased to introduce, zhanna bichevskaya, the legendary, magnificent, mysterious and famous, different, and gennady panomarev, husband, composer, author, nadezhda and opora, in general your everything, sound engineer my everything, and by the way,

zhanna bichevskaya performs bulat akudzhava's songs, a whole album was released, her... performances of his songs, and bulatova turns 100 this year, it seems to me that you were the most traveling artist, that is , you traveled to more than a few countries, i was very popular, in the eighties i received a prize at the polish festival of knowledge, the poles very rarely give this title to their own. and my grandfather konstantin bichevsky, he served in the tsarist army, served as a cavalryman, was a lifeguard of the tsarist regiment. i know you had a difficult relationship with your father, your mother left,

left when you were five, yes, when my mother died at the age of 5, my father took me away from my relatives, and i was actually alone with my father, in a reservation, but then my non-biological mother came into my life, she was very good, but she could not protect me. from idewerg father, nevertheless, your father gave you your first guitar, in which, when i was 17 years old, he himself was a very , very melodious person, and he wanted me to play and sing with the guitar, so, to accompany him in singing his songs, well , there was such a personal interest, then i was already teaching guitar at a music school in zagorsk, in general, with the guitar at the school they called me zhanna guitarovna, because i let the guitar out of my hands, that is, you graduated from a music school, in class, guitars after all. her life,

all the things she takes on, she fully concentrates, also with the guitar, i always had the feeling that, well, yes, of course, you have to learn the guitar when the child's hands are already grown up and so on, but you, when you compose yourself, when you play. and such an impression that you never parted with it, that your meeting with the instrument did not happen at 17, much earlier, and i in it, that is, such a symbiosis occurred, your vocal teacher was elena yakovlevna petker, yes, she herself was once connected with the bolshoi theater and she had her own studio, she stretched my tesitura, now i have almost five octaves. she brought many to tears, she is known for her singing of romances, and what was it, it was some special manner or meaning of romances, because romances are plus or minus all with some very bad

ending, the most difficult song genre is a romance, yeah, yeah, because on the verge of vulgarity, on the verge of this here excess, this soulful, romances must be sung very strictly, restrained, in general and - and i generally do not know how to sing songs differently, and you know, they really did not sound the way they used to sing with tears, there with slurs, because it is so very serious that they don't talk much about love at all, they have already said everything, but to convey through lomans, through romances this deep feeling, it is possible only with god's help, the lord helped me, here it was standing by the church? carriages is a romance or a russian folk song russian folk, i recorded it somewhere a long time ago in the village of nikipelovo, at my grandmother's she was 86 years old, baba

pavlina, she sang me this song, this song came into life from me. zhanna bichevskaya, if anyone doesn't know, she traveled a lot not only abroad, but in our country, in the hinterland, she collected russian folk songs, how did you get into... contact on what did you travel on your own, i didn't have money for tickets, i was a student at a related school, and i see her train with sand, with pebbles, i climb under it somewhere with a guitar, i didn't know where i was going , i stopped at some point, in short, i traveled a lot, i even got to the urals, you know, everything was different, but everything was very interesting, and you know, i must tell you, i thank the lord that the lord gave me in my life after... my father, in general, such a monster, he sent me very good people, it consoled me so much, encouraged me in life, and gave me and gave me meaning in my life, and i realized that in life

there are many more good people than bad, this is natural, and then i realized one more thing, this is purely philosophical, in life, i realized that what you are with a person, such is he with you, but the thing is that sometimes it happens that you stumble upon, you stumble upon such darkness that... then it is even scary to enter it, you want to run away from this person, well, probably, the young bride felt the same darkness in her husband, well, the tragedy of the song is that a carriage was standing at the church, and that the young woman was being married off to an old man, let's turn to this work then.

a carriage was standing at the church, there was a magnificent wedding, all the guests were dressed up. the bride was the most beautiful of all, all the guests were dressed up, the bride was the most beautiful of all, she was wearing a white dress, there was a bunch of rock. she

looked at the holy crucifix through a rainbow of tears, the wedding candles were burning, the bride stood pale, the priest was swearing. speeches, to say nothing she wanted, when the priest put a gold ring on her finger, from her eyes crusty tears, flowed in a stream. on the face,

i heard in the crowd, they said, the groom is not attractive, what, in vain. the girl was ruined, and i went out after the crowd, a carriage stood at the church, there was a magnificent ceremony, all the guests were dressed up. the bride of all the beauties was, all

the guests were dressed up, the bride was the most beautiful of all. we continue the conversation about music and life with

zhanna bichevskaya and gennady. he says yes, but it is interesting to listen, and next to him stood his wife olga, a wonderful the person, a beauty in general, i say, here i am, i can call you, he says, yes, of course, olya gave me akudzhava's phone number, then time passed, i called him, we became friends, then we met many times, he gave me his collection of poems, once, his prose, a sip of freedom, in general, this is a special page in my life, it was so awful that he rarely praised anyone, it was so awful. but

jean to jeanne on her record with his songs, he wrote that she is a master, she argues with me, and what is your favorite song of his, that's all? wonderful, ask me what my favorite folk song is, they all came out of me like children, there was such a zhav, i also accepted it into myself, into my soul, therefore kozhava did not have a single bad song, they are all, they are equal, about the numerous, endless travels, probably joyful, both for you and for the public, in paris a certain lady came up to you and sang a novel from the hands of a golitsa, listen to me carefully, firstly, she came up - after one of the concerts in olympia, i don’t remember after which one, in olympia in paris, she came up a white guard officer, very old, with a cane, gray, thin, and, so,

there was a woman standing with him, he said, here, here is a song, this is a song of my youth, the vice of golitsen, a song, what a romance, here is a woman, he, she sang the melody to me, i have a very good ear, i remembered everything the first time and stretched out the text, like this... we had a bell, that's what i, i don't remember, and what kind of crowd was there in paris, it was immigration, you understand, the thing is that this crowd was purely french, well, they accepted jeanne as their own, because the musical language in which she performed

the songs was very close to them and for some reason the french love russia very much, some kind of magic happens to us, because the countries are similar, everyone loves folk songs, all our russians, because in them, you see, they they... after all, you can’t fool people, because from these songs they radiate such love, such kindness and divinity, because russia brought orthodoxy, and all this entered into these songs, entered spiritually, they felt it, you see, because it’s just like that to fall in love song, that it is impossible, you know, faith is in the air, you understand, i just need to grab here at... zhanna is loved most of all in poland, there they have three of our names, this is vysotsky, yeah, this is bulat kudzhava and bichevskaya, if the poles fell in love with someone,

especially since she, you could say, never left poland, so i traveled with zhanna around poland, and the east, west and north, and how they receive her there, you know, if only she would come to poland now, they were everywhere. such a spring, don't give a damn, a couple of galitsyn, a carnet, and walensky pour some wine,

cornet, and valensky pour some wine, we're leading a squadron over the gloomy don, they're giving arbak, familiar faces, a slutty, gypsy girl rushes through dreams, everything will be fine,

lieutenant golitsyn, for everything, commissars, they'll get it in full, for everything, commissars. they'll get it in full, but somewhere nearby, troikas are rushing by, alas. and we don't know what our fault is, lieutenant golitsyn, so be a steadfast carnet, abolitionists, pour some wine, cornet, pour some wine into alensky, ah, russian with...

the ship's course, couple, golitsyn, and maybe the sun, the great sun, won't change us, let's turn away, why do we need foreign land, my friend, why do we need foreign... the village has been burning for four days, it's raining, danish spring, everyone needs to be sprayed with cartridges, the border is coming soon, all officers need to be given medals. everyone needs to be sprayed with medals, the border is coming soon from

all officers, but there are medals, when you traveled around the world, a beautiful russian girl, singing beautifully, wonderful... the first disc that came out was gennady's,

he came up to me, said that he sings songs for centuries, and i was getting carried away for now, i said, well, let's listen to this interestingly, he said, well, you know, well, these are songs, i say, i love poetry, well, how i love reading, then we met already in tula, i arrived in tula, somehow out of the blue, i had mishenka , such an administrator, i say, mishenka, let's go to the table. out of the blue, well, well, god, when he leads, it's a bell, of course, of course, everything is from there, everything good is from there, i arrive at the philharmonic, i go to a rehearsal, there stands this miracle of mine, with huge roses, like a feather with a dandelion , such a modest one, i say, oh, it's you, yes, it's me, we met, closer, he i already gave my cassette with my songs, i had it overnight.

to help, well, to play, of course, i have now mastered you know, this is the best enemy of the good, as it was to her this guitar, its accompaniment, here it became such an assistant to me, then not only songs began to appear, but song cycles, on our how to say, originality everything, about the way of life, here zhana sang these songs not only in russian folk songs, we had a cycle, a russian cycle, with the song we are russians, a song that was blessed by patriarch alexy ii himself. you understand, this is also worth a lot, a song about

the holy royal family was written in 3 years, by me, and some priests said that it made a significant contribution to the glorification of the holy royal family, you understand, i thank god that the lord sent me such wonderful people as gennady, vysotsky once said well, whoever has many friends, has no friend, this is very, very important, therefore. in my life, this is exactly how, by the way, vladimir semyon offered zhana to perform the song and his songs, what songs did he offer, domes in russia are covered pure gold, came up to her backstage, well, tell me about it. at one of the concerts , he came up to me and said: jean, i want you to sing one of my songs: the domes of russia, i cover it with gold, pure gold, yes, how would you agree to sing this song or not, some time passed, i thought , called and said: "volodya, you know, of course i thank you for trusting me to sing your songs, it's a great responsibility, but i

won't sing your song, your songs at all, and he says, why? i say, firstly, because what..." "i won't sing better, also, who needs it, and worse, all the more so, it's impossible, it's impossible, wonderful, he remembers when zhanna sang in joint concerts together, he always stood behind the scenes, listened to her, i understand him very well, let's sing a song, yesterday i saw you in a dream!" yesterday i saw you in a dream and enjoyed complete happiness, oh, if it were possible, i would have been, i would never wake up,

trustingly wrapped around me. but i will not deceive myself with a willful dream, a malicious look shines with mockery, and your speech prepares torment, as if it wants to separate,

to prepare for our separation. and i thought that i do not live, that my soul strives for paradise, alas it cannot, it is eve, that wonderful dream will come true, your gaze is capable of blinding, everything in me is empty and... what about us, why are we destined to love, what is impossible to achieve,

why are we destined to love, what is impossible to achieve? yesterday i saw you in a dream and enjoyed complete happiness, oh if it were possible for me, i would never wake up, if it were possible for me, i would never wake up,

i really need your help, my mother fell for a swindler's trick. and one of them is still under the influence of the swindler, maybe he plays his best role with you, maybe he is the ideological inspirer. his wife was the whole of this operation, for the sake of love someone loses money, it's just paper, someone lost themselves,

it is impossible to live on, if a man asks you for money, run away from him, manipulators, a scam for love, premiere from september 14, on saturdays on the first, this is ... 20 years later and we and its host alexander anatolyevich and konstantin alexandrovich mikhailov. our guest is the people's artist of russia, zhanna byuchevskoy, and her husband, composer, poet, gennady ponomarev. young performers are probably watching us, listening to us, they are very different now, very different. please, on their behalf, i ask you to give them some advice, to those performers who think that a song is a product, that a recording is a track. that you need to write a hit, not even a smash hit, that's what they need to understand and hear from you firsthand to become more interesting, more serious, better, you

know, let's - here's to continue the theme of love, many young people dream of beautiful, good love, not only on the spiritual, mental level, but for this they themselves must work hard for this, so that the lord unites them, so that... there is an equal union, you understand, before looking for a partner, you must first of all think about what you are interested in, what interests you, what kind of music, what kind of poetry, are you empty like a drum, or is there something in you, take care of yourself, there is not a single righteous person here on earth, the apostle paul said, but still you need to be interested, be interested in yourself from the side of art, culture, our, our country is amazing. deepest culture, be interested in classical music, listen to bards, read classical poetry, if you do not do this, then you will be

unhappy in your personal life, you will have bad children, because you will not have a meeting of love, you will not understand each other, but the most important thing against the background of my terrible tragic life, i always tried to be a cheerful person, tried to make people laugh, even in childhood i made my friends laugh, i said, let's... i'll make them laugh, and you treat me, and i made them laugh, they treated me, so since childhood i learned to make people laugh, not for candy, not for cookies, make them laugh, because - people have a very hard life, you still have to brighten it up somehow, you joke with a person, it seems like he smiles at you, something has already thawed in him, you understand, something has already come to life in him, people are dead now, they are afraid to breathe in and out, they are afraid of everything, in fear, fear rules the world now, and where there is fear, yes, that's absolutely right, and fear suppresses the free will of a person, fear

kills, that's why i try to be so simpler with people, because that's why i say, as zhanna vladimo calls me, i say, no, she calls me simpler, i'm zhanna, i'm for everyone zhanochka, i can say what my favorite song in your performance, in the film of the seventy -sixth year in the documentary find your song, it's called yes? there was the most applause, but i don't look at the applause, because it's not the result of my work, applause, my

result of my work is when a person he follows the path that i show him with god's help, it's not always good, you understand, but it's good when you see burning eyes, when they come to you and say: you know, your songs, the head doctor from the oncology center called me once... at the koshirka zhana vladimirovna said, you know, i brought songs, spiritual songs, songs by yeromanakh roman, kanka to the sick, i carried them around there so that people would listen, and some patients with the last stage of oncology were healed, and i asked, yes, everyone, she says, a lot were healed, but not everyone, because the evil were not healed, that's right, because where there is evil, there is no god's grace, and god's grace heals, that's why they are spiritual songs, especially with such a performance, if we started talking about this, about healing spiritual music, let's turn to this piece romanaharana,

spring, spring, yeah, let's listen, we have guests. people's artist of russia, zhanna bichevskaya, who turns 80 this year , poet-composer, sound engineer and zhanna's husband, gennady panomarev. thank you, it was a podcast 20 years later, its host konstantin mikhailov and alexander anatolyevich. if you have suffered a setback, if you are unable to dispel your melancholy, in the soft autumn, in the quiet autumn, come out quickly to my spring, let it be.

in the soft autumn, in the quiet autumn, come out quickly to my spring, beyond the spring, a white temple, a cemetery, old, this forgotten land, russia left us, if your eyes are clouded with moisture, splash some water from the spring onto your eyes, you can cry,

cry calmly, who will figure out where the water is, where the tear is, you can cry, cry calmly, who will figure out where the water is, where the tear is, beyond the spring, a white temple, a cemetery, old heta forgotten edge, rus left us, you see, over there the ancient cranes, at the horizon,

placed them... cry, and if you are sick, bedridden, then let you dream of a healing spring, and if you are sick, bedridden, let you dream of a healing spring for...

he lost everything by his own free will, renounced his native home, renounced his native lands, left with nothing but god and prayer to a monastery, and

there he gave himself over to obedience, attentively. accepted everything that god sends him, and from people, everything that they want to lay on his shoulders. he went into the forest so that nothing would separate him from god, but also so that nothing would serve as an artificial support for him, so that only fidelity to god would serve as his support, and he lived for 47 years in various feats of hermitage, silence, seclusion, this is how the famous theologian, metropolitan anthony of surazh, spoke about the hero of our conversation today. august 1 is the day of the uncovering of the relics of st. seraphim of sarov, today we gathered our thoughts on the subject:

to the question, vladimir romanovich, it seems to me that if we nevertheless think of russian culture through the prism of the orthodox faith first of all, then of course the venerable seraphim is certainly - well, in some sense, the canonical face

of russian monasticism, because the venerable seraphim is in some inexplicable way connected with the venerable theodosius of kiev and with the venerable sergius of radnich, because that very miracle, when... seraphim was still prokhor, but before tonsure, the boy prokhor survived, having fallen from the building faces, it was a church in honor of the venerable sergius of radonish, and seraphim is already in such, in the full sense historical tangible era, showed the country, the people, you and me, such a face, the canonical face of russian monasticism, so healthy, and at the same time in a good sense of cheerful religiosity. well, yes, but i put it in a tricky way, as you noted, the question is that i still put it more broadly in this case, can we talk or not, and maybe there is some drama in the development of russian culture, and what do you think? well, i

was somehow listening to your speech, and you said there that our culture is the culture of orthodoxy, and indeed the saint is a bright representative of this... he influenced not only the common people, but the nobility, the highest ranks of the hierarchy of the russian empire, therefore, indeed

, the influence of the saint on culture could be said to have been, well , by the way, we have an icon of the saint seraphim, of course there are a lot of them, but here is perhaps one of the most widespread yes images, always recognizable, of course, always recognizable. let's start with such a slightly theoretical question, which you paid attention to in your works, this is still the difference between biography and ageography, yes, that is, ageography is lives, yes, this is a hagiographic genre, a genre of life, and biography, in fact, in this case of st. seraphim, what you, what you did, what you wrote, here is father anton, how can you explain this difference, what is it, is there some conflict between biography and geography, you? ideally, a life should be a verbal icon, as in an icon the artist-icon painter tries in every way to distance himself from mundane details to show not just

portrait of this or that saint, but to demonstrate a personality sanctified by god, so in the case of a life, ideally exactly the same thing should happen, the compiler of the life tries: to highlight exclusively that which is related to the living action of god's providence through the actions, words, of a particular saint, a particular ascetic, but unfortunately... as in the case, probably with any manifestation of human creativity, we are dealing not exclusively with the action of the holy spirit, but with the introduction of certain inaccuracies, errors, which in general are inherent in human nature, and you from the outside, well, and i, imagine the reverend seraphim of sarov, i like the pencil images of the artist raev, there he depicted a lifetime portrait of him in peasant.

books and so on. valentinovich, if so, well, as briefly as possible, what we know for sure about the reverend, that's what is historically confirmed, in addition to the fact that you specified the date of birth, yes, that it is still not, 1750, what ninth, and you had several options 1764, 1761, 1759, 58 and 54 were also, but here it was all somehow unprovable, but... i managed to build this chain on the mass of documents that were found in the archive, which led to this specific year 1754, and what else we can say for sure is that he was from the merchant merchant, the third guild, that the family was originally engaged in pottery, that is, they made clay dishes and sold them themselves, that the saint was a literate person, i managed to find...

the autograph of the saint seraphim of sarov the russian state archive of ancient acts helped me with this, just after you have several autographs, yes, 1781 and 1784, at what age does the future monk leave for the monastery, according to the documents, this is 1778, that is , he was 24 years old at that time, when he writes a petition - there, somehow, everything was very , eh, not difficult, yes, this is almost a high transition from one class to another, well , the situation is such that passports were issued to this category of citizens of the russian empire - for a period of 1 year, that is, the year was expiring, you it had to be renewed, so it was necessary to return again to the city magistrate of the city of kursk and renew such documents, or write someone a letter of trust. well, that is, a power of attorney in our, in

modern terms, according to this document they could renew such a piece of paper for you, you said about the saint as such a person, yes, an image of russian monasticism, and indeed, if we talk about russian holiness in general, then the two most famous russian saints, these are the saint sergei and the saint seraphim, very different saints, yes, very different people, judging by everything, they are different, the eras are very different, yes, in your personal...

amazing mercy, or something, towards the people around you and wisdom, the ability to separate a person from his mistakes, if you criticize, then only some actions, but not the person himself, but on the contrary, to console the person himself, to remind him that he, who made these or those mistakes or succumbed to the sweetness of these or those vices, still... deserves god's love, he still remains god's son or daughter, it seems to me, this is what unites such, some kind of merciful, consoling service of these two saints. today we gathered with thoughts about the reverend seraphim of sarov, priest anthony borisov, leitinvich stepashkin, i am vladimir ligoida, 270 years since the birth of the reverend this year, we continue, in fact, everything that we are now discussing, some biographical details, important,

interesting, but in general for the life, well , completely unimportant, yes, in the fifty- fourth year the reverend was born or there in the sixtieth, fifty-ninth for us, here for writing a life for... the perception of his path and movement, yes, this path, it is not so important, but why then should it be interesting to us, these biographical details, yes, because it immediately becomes clear that holiness is not something like , you know, yes, fallen from the moon or torn away from the earth, on the contrary, this, by the way, is the reason why some people do not like to read the old testament, because after reading about the life path of some old testament righteous people, they ask themselves, how will i be to these people? pray to abraham, isaac, jacob after i learned about the mistakes they made, but the life, the unadorned life , is still close to the biography, in fact , they console us, because they are living proof of the holy words that a righteous man is not one who does not sin,

a righteous man is one who repents, that is, one who, having made a mistake, admits his wrongness, has the courage to continue his path to god, and this ... accordingly, they somehow console us in the sense that if those righteous people, whom the church honors, who prays, had the opportunity and mercy from god to overcome some mistakes, then it means that we ourselves should not be put to the cross, in the sense of crossing out our lives and saying that everything is lost and now there is no way forward, well , speaking about the reverend seraphim, it still seems to me that here we are talking about his exploits, but now i would like to move on to this topic, including those clarifications that you made in your research, but i remember that in the nineties , when, well, at least my generation, so we turn to the church, it is clear that the reverend seraphim is one of the first names and there is a life with which you are familiar, the discovery of relics of course relics certainly yes, but you understand, i

remember we were seriously sitting here, a group of students who came to the church, we were sitting and praying on a stone for 100 days and nights, in general... is it possible to somehow get up there at night, pray, somehow, repeat this today, so we can and something was very inspiring about it, that 's all, that yes, i don't know, feeding the bear, it was all like that, on the one hand so the image of holiness, yes, where the consequences of the fall are erased, so to speak, yes, some harmony with nature is found, on the other hand it was very, very inspiring, here valentinovich came and... destroyed it all or not, well, days and a thousand nights must be perceived, i write about this in my book in such a way that the reverend tried to do this.