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hello, dear friends, this is the podcast life of the remarkable, with you i am its host, writer alexey varlamov. july 10 marks the 150th anniversary of the birth of the remarkable sculptor sergei timofeevich kanenkov. we will talk about him today, and my guests in the studio will be the heads.
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well, yesenin was a good friend of sergei timofeevich konenkov, and sergei timofeevich is my great-grandfather, great-grandfather, that is, you are konenkov's great-grandson, along which line can you restore your genealogy? yes, my mother, alla kirillovna konenkova, she was born as once in the house where the sergey timofeevich creative workshop museum is now located. on tverskaya street, gorky street then, my grandfather kirill sergeyevich konenkov, he is the son of sergey timofeevich, and there was also an older son mark, but he died in infancy, so soon after mark's death my grandfather kirill sergeyevich was born. well, great. tell me, please, konenkov lived a long life. there are many different myths, very different legends associated with this life. now, if we separate the facts from the myths that we know about him.
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then this all turns out to be doubly so, of course, the life of an artist and artist of the silver age, but sergei timofeevich, his biography is truly amazing, probably, most often, when we hear about konyonkav, we turn to the book my century, that's the century he lived and this is the book of his memoirs, one of his books, yes, his... autobiography, and can i give away a secret, did he write it himself or did someone help him? yes, he wrote it himself, he was a journalist, a literary record, machkova, the record is probably kept in a museum, no, yes, then no, well, actually the publication was already published in a literary record, alexandra bachkova, here that is, the politisdat publishing house also issued these books, well, basically during konenkov's life, yes, yes, why? it's interesting, by the way,
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perhaps not all of his memoirs were published there in connection with this, maybe you can shed some light on this for us, the fact is that, unfortunately, we don't know kanenkov's original manuscripts, he read his memoirs, and yuri alexandrovich bachkov wrote down his memoirs, but the notes have not survived, unfortunately, they have not survived, okay, let's go back to his biography, so he was born in...
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but not quite freely, over the course of decades they still bought themselves off, that is, they bought themselves out of serfdom, but they were already free people, the fact is that as serfs they did not have surnames, having received freedom they simultaneously received the nickname horses, fellow villagers said about them, what do they need horses for, they themselves are like horses, therefore the first surname was horses, their children, little horses, little horses, and so the surname was born, konenkov was very proud of the origin of his surname, and then the peasant's son...
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an order from relatives, who said, as i understood, yes, it is good to have a literate person with a gymnasium education, but sculpture is too much, that is, the parents were against it, of course, of course.
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academy of arts, and naturally becomes a magnificent, brilliant student who fulfills all the classical tasks associated with neoclassicism, the style and education that reigned at that time at the academy of arts, it was a program associated naturally with classical
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neoclassical sculpture, when it was time for the diploma, the horse closes its workshop, even biklemisheva does not start creating the sculpture that, as he believes... should amaze everyone and overcome all the established norms of classicism of academic requirements, he creates his famous samson, here he is in front of you shackled in samson, and naturally the model for him was the internal, he saw michelangelo's slaves, actually this is a manifesto, he says i am michelangelo, i can do the same as michelangelo, and this is precisely the manifesto i am michelangelo or the manifesto i am a revolutionary, i am for the revolution for liberation with the revolution, certainly, of course, but with his mood.
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firstly, all the classical proportions are violated here, that is, he overcomes, look, here are the exaggerated brushes, and michelangelo also had all the proportions violated.
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destroyed, we would have happily stayed on this story, if kanenkov had lived 30 or 40 years, but he lived 100, we need to fit these 100 years into our format, and it is not that long, so let's move forward, so, konenkov and the revolution, briefly 905 and 917, oleg yurevich, there was a famous barricade on arbat, which konenkov commanded, as i understand it, what did he not like about the tsarist regime, which had done him a favor, given him an education, given him calculations, what did he want, well , you can't say he did a favor, but nevertheless it was wonderful, yes, when they always tell me that krestinin could not
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achieve anything in any way, then i give an example, so then he wanted, what do you want, he wanted freedom for the people, okay, fine, he once said that a worker does not need, does not need a good life, he needs, he needs to be the master of his life, there was a barricade creative people, this is a barricade, which, as i understand, was never broken, as it never was. but no one did anything to konenkov, no one put him there, no one repressed him for this, merchants hid yakunchikov, an old believer, he had a workshop in technically sawed the branch on which they sat, of course, yes, therefore , in general, he was his patron, patronized konenkov and acquired his works, this is a separate very interesting page konenkov eighteenth year, konenkov becomes the most popular after the seventeenth year, probably sculptor or probably the first sculptor. republics, this is a very interesting perception, becomes the first sculptor young
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here i am now just studying yesenin, since this is a very biblical perception of those events that took place, the birth of a new state, the birth of a new bethlehem, and sergei timofeevich knew the psalter, and they communicated a lot together con, he generally cited many quotes from the bible, yes, it was precisely then that they communicated, they were friends.
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here, of course, iconographic biblical biblical connotations red white. so, we we move on to the next period in konyonok's life in 1923 he leaves for america and stays there for more than 20 years, and he doesn't leave alone, he leaves with his young wife, this is his second wife, margarita ivanovna, her last name was varantsova, yes, she was from sarapal, a wonderful city on the banks of the kama, so this is the most mysterious.
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educational scientific organizations, soon he receives an order from the institute for advanced studies in princeton, but this same story is connected with albert einstein, he was really in endless demand immediately. to the americans he had to be encouraged a lot, a year later he had already organized a personal exhibition at the grand central palace, this is also very prestigious, very important with donkan they tried to dissuade him from going, they had also been to america, they tried to dissuade him, they said that they did not need art and there was nothing to do there, they had been to america a little earlier, they tried to dissuade him, but he nevertheless went, he liked it there, unlike yesenin, no, no, well, as i
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understand it, he also missed his homeland, and she recalled this very interestingly. margarita ivanovna, exactly, that, about the fact that when - konenkov worked, naturally, commissioned portraits, for money, he needed something to live on, and if he didn’t like a person, he didn’t like making his portrait, he swore, and she was a translator, she, he spoke a lot, and she translated little, they asked her, why does mr. kanenkov speak a lot, and you translate so little, she said that these are the peculiarities of russian speech, this is a wonderful memory, wonderful, but let’s return, yes, let’s return. to this woman, to albert einstein, probably this one the photo was taken by einstein, most likely, just the courtyard, these are the two of them, this is right here in his house in einstein's house in princeton, their first visit sergei timofeevich, margarita ivanovna, again according to legend, we will already treat the memory as a legend, they were photographed by albert einstein, and how did einstein appear on the horizon of the russian émigré sculptor, it is very simple, it was
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an official order from the institute for advanced studies in princeton, where stein worked at the time. in fact, he created portraits of the employees of this institute here some period of time was 1935 einstein yes in the center we see a portrait of albert einstein this yes this is the same famous portrait during the work on which this story was born connected with friendship with albert einstein with his family. the thing is that kanenkov had a principle, when he worked on the sculpture, he asked margarita ivanovna to talk to the model.
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language, this is already from moscow, yes, from moscow, that is, he spoke english, well there was some kind of program apparently, well actually returning to einstein, and margarita ivanovna, well, after all, she served as a translator, well, the thing is that she knew german very well, it’s not very clear why she served as a translator , but you have to work in russian and think in russian , we’re talking about what einstein had to speak, so he could speak with him, well, it’s impossible when a person is working on a portrait. returning to einstein, because this is a very important story, the thing is that while working on this portrait, margarita ivanovna asked probably the most strange question, what are you working on now, and albert einstein started telling what he was working on and what he was famous for, but looking into his eyes, well, some reason was needed for
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the conversation, that is, you think that this was just such a table talk, such a secular conversation? okay. she answered him: no, he answered, it can't be, in any case, these wonderful sheets of paper with einstein's notes were at one time in the konenok museum, now they are, are stored in the archive of the academy of sciences, that is, we have a unique document, a theory regarding einstein was written for the wife of a russian sculptor. excellent, now, oleg yaorievich, there is a version, yeah, that in fact
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margarita ivanovna was there for a reason, margarita ivanovna actually ended up in america because she was on the line. to create a huge world exhibition that would compete with the famous paris exhibition, they chose the best sculptor of america, the new world, the old world and here is the second...
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there was a danger of the emergence of a superweapon, and naturally the fate of the russians after the start of the war in 1943, when emigrants, although kamyukov was not an emigrant as such, that's another story. i had a soviet passport, sadaplatov's department apparently determined that the konyunkos were close enough to einstein's circle and, naturally, robert oppenheimer, and as is known, oppenheimer was once a member of the communist party, oppenheimer's circle, scientists, firstly, supported russia as an ally, and for them it was very important to defeat fascism, so the help was absolute. but nevertheless , the famous one comes specifically to the united states, famous intelligence officer elizaveta zarubina, who supervised margarita ivanovna kanenka
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, began in 1943, fought against fascism , all of them were our allies, so superweapons were the most terrible, actually determining the outcome of the war, so margarita's role was quite important, well, again , turning to the court, what was margarita's role, she asked. personnel policy of the american nuclear personnel to hire this is personnel policy well, maybe from your point of view i'm just trying to be so to say besides that margarita was engaged in diplomatic work the fact is that under the direction of leonora roosevelt several committees for aid to russia were created, one of the committees, the so-called american arrif society, margarita ivanovna konenka
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was the responsible secretary, she could actually connect migration, red, white, completely different views of people who helped russia completely selflessly, she was charming, yes, but this was actually work and service, she had her own office in new york, she...
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here well and this is pyotr petrovich konchalovsky, these characters from the back, and where is this photo taken by konenkov's workshop, here in this very one on gorkkova, yes, it is very interesting that there
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was a workshop there and not only these two floors where my mother lived as a child, and there was also a large territory, now where the famous pushkin restaurant stands, this was also the territory of sergei timofevich konenkov, there was the konenkov garden, it is very interesting that somehow the local residents of tverskaya turned to their great-grandfather. that they have nowhere to walk and nowhere for children to walk and could he gave them this territory, and he gave it to them, there was a playground there, which in the nineties turned into the pushkin restaurant, great, then, after returning to the soviet union, trenysanko began, of course, that is, this is the only sculptor who begins, as if not that, well, naturally continues his creative searches, but ... is completely renewed, he is carried away by immersed in contemporary art, at the end of his life he creates abstract compositions and creates absolutely amazing works, installations
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with... arrived, returned to work, he did not return and yes, it is very interesting that he rests on his laurels, because he was offered some dachas, he refused everything, he says, how will i work, and he worked there in the workshop, and here in... at the belarusian railway station in the ilyech depot there is a sculpture that he - here made, created from marble, these are the workers of the depot, they turned to him, a railway worker, yes, a monument to the fallen railway workers, a beautiful monument, and they turned to him with a request, here to put they had one like that in their depot, they collected money, naturally, but it wasn't even enough for marble, and sergei timofeevich used his own money, there was no money for an architect, my grandfather kirill sergeevich acted as an architect, his son.
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years they returned to moscow, and then my great-grandmother was exiled to kazakhstan, yeah, and where she died, we don't know, that's also a story that is shrouded in mystery, because rukavishnikov, he died in 1919 or 1918, he was shot, i think, yes, well, that's also unknown, how, and he was shot by the whites, the reds, of course, that's rukavishnikovs, these are merchants, here is the nizhny novgorod
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house of the rukavishnikovs, this is it.
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in the last years of her life, when sergei timofeevich had already passed away, yes, margarita ivanovna was alive, yes, margarita ivanovna, well, here is also a story that my mother told me, once she was studying in the fifth or sixth grade. at the school that was located there in the gnezdikov lanes, and margarita ivanovna decided to give her her coat, some kind of coat, apparently, it was once very expensive and beautiful, so she and her great-grandfather dressed it up, and she sees, well, they don’t wear it like that anymore, well, since she was a little girl, she said: i won’t wear this crap, so they were very upset about this, well , margarita ivanovna lived, as i understand, very modestly, because her grandfather... he bought her groceries, helped her in the last years of her life, when she died, he brought the urn with her ashes in shopping bags to the novadevich cemetery
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, he buried her himself, that is, well, he probably made some kind of agreement with the workers, but he buried her himself. margarita ivanovna, like sergei timofeevich, they did not pursue some kind of comfort in life, some kind of wealth. in the states they gave the red army fund, as they did for this there was a fund for victory, and how are you going to celebrate or how are you celebrating, more precisely, yes, here is the anniversary of the horse, the fact is that the academy of arts is organizing an anniversary exhibition, there will be a huge exhibition in the zurap gallery, on prichistenka 2019, in four huge halls, we are preparing this exhibition, it will be based mainly on the museum funds, we have restored a lot of works for this exhibition, we will show.
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from maikovsky, in my opinion, yes, because this museum is located, this is the house that he chose himself great-grandfather, the house, as a repository of his works, which he donated to smolensk, there will be events there, there will be events here in the moscow region, the serpukhov history and art museum is also doing
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a good one, they are preparing an exhibition, they have an amazing collection of early konenkov, yes, they have a portrait of my great-great-grandfather, that is , konenkov's father, well, remarkable, well, let 's end on this remarkable note, so, this was the podcast life of the remarkable. we talked today about the great russian, soviet sculptor sergei timofeevich konenkov. we learned a lot thanks to my dear guests, the head of the konenkov museum-workshop of the russian academy of arts svetlana leonidovna bobrova. thank you very much, svetlana leonidovna, many thanks to oleg yuryevich robinov, director of the moscow. yesenin museum and oleg yuryevich, in addition, the great-grandson of sergei timofeevich konenkov. thank you very much, alexey, for such a wonderful conversation. thank you very much, thank you.
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greetings, this is a podcast of the chronicle of the end of times. my name is evgeny dodolev, today i will tell you about show business, or rather, about bandits in show business. vladimir matetsky likes to repeat the english saying. there is no other business like show business, well, in the original in english it sounds more energetic and rhythmic, but the essence remains true, this is to the fact that show business, even when there was no big money involved. or not involved, is very attractive, all the same for people who are usually called bandits, that is, people from the criminal world, why? because it is a bagema and both, that is, this is some kind of marginal thinking, therefore
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attracts some to others. often bandits come into the world of business, not for the sake of profit, but simply for the sake of some kind of. courage, there is an excellent film with trovolta, to catch the shorty, i think, is called in our translation, where a bandit comes from miami to hollywood and simply. gets drawn into a producer's story, very often people, really from this criminal world - were engaged in what looked, perhaps, like racketeering and blackmail of people of art, well, first of all, musicians, of course in our country, in fact, because that they were simply interested, what is called the thrill of communicating with those people whom the public is used to seeing on screens there or... on stage, i first
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learned about this side of show business very, very early, when the terms show business, i think, did not exist in the russian language, i have been since my early student days, by the way, i have a photograph from almost the end of the seventies or maybe it was the year eighty-eighty-one, this is the beijing restaurant, this is krist kelmi, on the far right, his wife, the first and only lucy, this is me with my friend. and natasha evalts, who was later the wife of alexey chlenov, who was the fiancé of alla golobkina, who later became the wife of alexey romanov, the leader of the group voskresenie, and then the wife of another rock veteran, and almost became the wife of alexander borisovich gradsky, well, the song is not about them at all, this picture was taken by a producer, a very famous one, he later, or rather became a producer at a stupid time. he started like that, well, already then at the very beginning of the formation
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of our rock scene, when very modest money was earned, already then there were people from the criminal world hanging around the musicians, although there was nothing to squeeze out, not from chris kelmi, nor from the other rockers, but they were kind of interested, moreover, they often organized performances themselves and made money from this, because as soon as the first soviet rock group appeared , they were called sokoly, in my opinion, then a person who loved and appreciated music began to make money on this music, but he loved money more and understood it, by the way, i say this without any judgment, i loved this person very much and was very upset when he left.
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by the way, elena demidova, this producer was such a fashionable musical project, this, television and a famous person in show business, well, such a shadow person, absolutely fearless lena, who went to shootouts with bandits, to a certain extent was a legislator, not of fashion, but of installations in show business of the nineties. yura azenshpits was imprisoned not for organizing the sokol group, he was for violating currency there some of these turnovers or something, for currency, in short, both times, but he began to earn his first money precisely as producer of the first soviet rock band, they sold tickets there, put up postcards, it was the lira cafe, where... then the first
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mcdonald's appeared on our pushkin square, in general it was a very popular place in the soviet years. i met yura in absentia, i wrote about him as the producer of the sokol band, and as it turned out, i helped him a lot, i don't know him, firstly personally and i don't know that i helped him. we met in person, it was at some concert right after he was released for the second time in 1987 year, in the eighty-seventh year he was released after spending a total of 17 years in prison, that is, a significant part of his life, and i was there with my friend and yura azenshpits came up, who looked really creepy, in fact, he had metal teeth, he was wearing a boiled denim jacket, which had already gone out of fashion by that time, this is all this... so he came up, introduced himself and

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