felira, where later on we had the first mcdonald's on pushkinskaya square, in general , such a place, very popular in the soviet years. i met yury in absentia, i wrote about him as the producer of the sokol group, and as it turned out, i helped him a lot, i don't know him, first of all, personally, i don't know that i helped him, we met in person, it was on...

this whole whole boiled egg, so he came up, introduced himself and said that thanks to my publication, the attitude towards him had changed - the camp administration, he someday sat, they realized that he was a man there, i compared him, it turns out, with brian shshtein, betlov's producer, that's what i didn't remember, that's what i helped him a lot, and he just said that he had just gotten out of prison, as he said, he was thinking about getting into producing, that's exactly what he... there he named several groups that he really should get into and talked him out of the idea of ​​murmov, by the way, yuri shmillivich took advantage of the advice, by the way, yura, a man, in this regard, when we talk about bandits in show business, legendary, i've read it many times, that he was the most authoritative there, the most, the most gangster bandit, but it's not true, because... to a certain extent

there was such a person who loved to show off, loved, so to speak, this external side, that is, he was not such a karabas-barabas, a shadowy one, who was puppeteering him, he liked this very entourage, no, he knew how to make money, and he understood how - to make money on this, he had an excellent intuition, and yes, he attracted real, well, authoritative people, i remember that if... does anyone remember now vlad stashevsky, i remember how he attracted a certain sasha tsygan to finance this project, i think he was alexander makushenko. yuri knew how to convince these people that it was a profitable investment. and i think that in stashevsky's case , by the way, it was, it worked. well, but since yuri was in the public eye, and he liked to be in the public eye. and he, so to speak,

strove for this, and there the same vladimir matetsky admired the quantity and quality of his jackets, then, in fact, since he was in the focus not so much of the public, but of media attention, with this prison history, that is, with two solid terms, everyone actually said about him that he was all like that, a godfather, in fact, there were really very serious people in show business. in this sense, that is, real with authority, yes, his ex-partners treated yuri very well and warmly, like these neighbors, well, in general it doesn't matter, that is , people from this environment, he had an impeccable reputation in this sense, as a man of his word, as a business person, but of course he never i wasn't, so to speak, fat, well, that influential, if we're talking about the criminal environment, there were much more

serious people in this sense, who had weight, opportunities, who also liked to be there, to stand next to, who came to show business not for money, i had some friction with a very famous musician at one time, who started telling me in an interview about those people, about whom i know for sure, that they didn't perform for bandits, that... they supposedly performed for bandits, more in addition, he spoke very unflatteringly about yuri shmilelvich azenshpits, characterizing him as nothing less than a bandit. yura had this experience of being in prison, he traded currency there, he got one term, then got another term, he was never a bandit, he never put an iron on anyone's stomach, he never walked around with a gun, this is also what is called a currency trader, now it

is called an entrepreneur, a businessman, he was also engaged in the same at a time when there was a different legal framework in the country, in another country, then there is, he was never a bandit, and if we are talking about his social circle, about communication with bandits, then yura azenshpits, there were, let's say, no more of these people around him than there were a lot of others, let's say, we are not talking about the rock environment, but pop, then we know a lot of really very respected, i 'm not being ironic now, people loved by the public, revered by society, who had very , very many of these kinds of acquaintances. kobzon is an example of this, whom i, so to speak, very, very much respected, respected, and appreciate him, and the scale of his personality, although it is natural that i have never listened to this music, but to ignore the scale of this personality, him as a cultural figure, it is absolutely impossible, help me, i

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today i'm telling you about bandits in soviet post-soviet show business. chris kelme told me that when he and mark zakharov. he

was very supportive, he even said that he was a catholic and all that, and during this family conversation he completely stunned me by saying, that olga kormukhina, our singer, the red panther, sent bandits to him because of a song about a taxi, some song,

something about a taxi, written by chris kelme, performed by olga kormukhina, then performed by chris, and he was called to a meeting, so that he would explain about... and the taxi, so when they heard this song performed by helme, they simply, without informing their, i don’t know, partner, ward, call them what you want, they staged this kind of action to clarify

the relationship, and there was a lot of this in in this world, especially in the nineties, the tragic death of igor tolkov, in general, it was not a showdown between aziza, the singer tolkov, it was the security of one who quarreled with the security of another, it so happened that this led to the death of a person, in principle, of course, for girls in this environment, if we are talking about this very context of relationships with bandits, it was quite difficult, because many of these people wanted not so much to squeeze out money, but to tick a box put to use for its intended purpose, although of course, if we return to... talking about serious players about really authoritative people, then none of them

could even imagine anything like that, because it was not according to the concepts, when i talk about serious people, i mean, well , first of all, of course, about those people who are well-known and known, because it makes no sense to tell you now names or nicknames that you have not heard, for example, olimzhan takhtakhunov, who is known as taiwanchik, he... actually never hid his interest in show business, he was very friendly with sofia rataru, with many others, well, serious performers, favorites of the whole country, and he really helped, that is, i don’t know, maybe in some situations, in some schemes, he used his friendship to make a profit, well, like a businessman, but very often these people, they rather... provided assistance, including just such sponsorship to all the artists or actresses

that they liked and liked. another thing is that they never forgave, so to speak, betrayal or lack of loyalty, that is, if a person took advantage of, well, some kind of feed, some connections or just money, and then did not want to know, it was perceived as... humiliation, as an insult, as an act of misunderstanding and there were all sorts of showdowns. in addition, the artists themselves often resorted to the services of these friends of theirs, again, right for their intended purpose. i also know from people whom i cannot help but trust, well, by the way, the same yuri shimelevich, aizin shpits told me about... how the previous husband of a very famous actress, i don't want to name her on air, she is loved by everyone,

but her previous husband ordered a new husband, this story was also somehow resolved there, but in principle, the artists themselves often acted harshly, they thought, well, what if they have such friends and acquaintances who can radically solve problems, and not only of a material nature, but often of such a... personal nature, then it would be a sin not to take advantage of this, with chris i tried to help him avoid these situations, because he, perhaps the only person of this generation of this rocker wave who did not have a so-called director, that is , he did not have a person who would deal with his finances, he would be his own administrator, manager, negotiator, because of this

, sometimes some questions arose, because the bandits in the nineties, i don’t know how it is now and how it was before, but in the nineties there was definitely such a term accountant, that is , they would say to the artist that you are there, well, you are an artist, well, why are you not in these figures you understand, so i will recommend you an accountant, an accountant is a person who will monitor the situation and track so that a certain share is small, that is, in the common fund, is written off , by the way, there is even such a thing, it is a myth, but i remember that many people then said that the hit of that time, the group combination accountant, my dear accountant, it is actually about this category of people, but according to one hundred percent verified data no, it is just really stupid... about a financial worker, about an accountant, funny songs, by the way, with the group of combinations, there were a lot of very

serious stories, but the song is not about them and not about the accountant, here chris kelme categorically refused to let journalists he knew, and he had journalist friends, besides me, drag him into this story, he only asked for help once, that was when people started talking that he himself... aryevich kelme, yes, he is not chris, yes, he is tolya. they called him chris since his student days. he was a classmate of another musician, james. his name was james, his friends, but everyone knows him like vladimir kuzmin, they studied together. so he asked me to publish this passport so that these conversations

about kalinkin would stop. the conversations about kalinkin began during one of the bandit. bandit cruises, why? because the bandits, firstly, organized these cruises, well, in order to invest money to earn, and secondly, in the cruise format, it was a very popular story in the early nineties, when tourists went out, as a monk it was that the artists would perform during this trip, artists naturally, they were invited for free, in the sense that they were not paid a fee, but they did not pay for the cabins. they had, therefore, a trip for free, and so during one of these cruises such a story happened, by the way, these, so as not to get up twice, i will say that these cruises were organized, among others, by sasha tsygan, an acquaintance of yuri azenshpits, and so during one of these cruises such a story happened: the day before, chris gave me

a newspaper interview, where he told about his romantic... dinners, he said that he had there at that moment, it was, in my opinion, ninety-first year, which he already had, 5,600, in general, between 5 and 6. here are bed victories, another friend of mine, alexander borisovich gradsky, this really outraged him, he ran around the deck, almost with a calculator, trying to prove that this is physically impossible, that chris could not have won 6,000 such victories, that is. an acquaintance, sasha just took and made this up right before my eyes, but journalists latched on to this all his life

persecuted chris, because everyone knew that he was not even his mother's last name or something anatoly, they thought that he was anatoly kolinkin, who invented that he... kelme, he was wildly worried about this, because it completely destroyed his whole myth that he was a baltic person, all that stuff, that is, it was just the most, that's the only time he asked me to help him, by the way, it didn't help , anyway, i still hear here and there that he is actually toley kolinkin, so in this sense, alexander borisovich played a very cruel joke on him. well, there was also a story about nogradsky, in his time, just like boris zosimov, they burned his car, well, for different reasons, but people of the same category, that is, bandits, and when i started working, in the newspaper top secret, i decided to roll out a cover for my friend, it was completely out of format, because top secret,

it was politics, detectives, and there a representative of show business on the cover generally didn’t look like..., but there was just material about sub-cover, so to speak, about racketeering and about these extortions of money from artists, i put a photo on the cover, very a beautiful one, black and white by sasha gradsky, with a guitar, in particular , this story was mentioned there, how they burned this car for him, because everyone at the party knew, that is , there was no big secret there, but for the general public it was... it was news, and sasha then really got on my nerves, he said that i had served him, in general, a bad service, firstly, he told this story in principle, from which it followed that he had such a car that could be burned, meaning that these were not simple, as it were, zhili, but this was there a foreign car, it was

very cool at that time, and secondly, that in principle it could go unpunished, that you could run him over to gradsky for... damage to property in general, you can't pay for it in any way in the sense of some kind of punishment and place, he said that this is, so to speak, very, very, very wrong, it served as a good lesson, since then i have always consulted before making some kind of surprise to my acquaintances, socially significant, well sometimes, when i really wanted to make a surprise, then at least with close relatives consulted, well, and... gradsky, actually burned the car, because they offered him, as if to share, he did not want, and so to speak, like this, as if they taught him a lesson, by the way, i do not know how he solved this. problem, but apparently somehow solved it, because until the end of his days, just like krisk kelme, he never called himself an accountant, so to speak, you and the director

too, he did everything himself, he himself negotiated concerts, he even sold his dvd books himself, sasha in this regard was an independent person, this is a podcast chronicles of the end of times, and today i am telling you about bandits in the soviet , post-soviet show business, very often - in this world such strange things happened, so to speak, on a tip, when competitors were melted down, let's say, they said that there a person bought some rare icon for so much money and keeps it, let's say, there were no cameras or alarms, then this icon disappeared, from one very famous artist and there friend - sasha gradsky or... the legendary musician on leninsky prospekt, who lived on the square gagarin, they robbed his apartment, everyone in the crowd

thought that it was his then director who did it, because he knew that money had been brought to purchase equipment, he himself had brought a fairly serious sum at that time, no one knew about it, and the man was generally connected, as they thought , with this world, i don’t want to name names, that... it doesn’t matter, it’s just like - an example of these interactions with these artists. gradsky, by the way, was not friends with bandits, in my opinion, he is the only one of those who - in his close, inner circle there were no such authoritative people, and not because he somehow, well, conventionally speaking, disdained or did not like, he quite adequately assessed that... this also requires certain talents, in addition, in this environment there were a lot of people with charm and charisma, who were simply good company, from those

people about whom one can say, because they themselves repeatedly told about this , including to me in some interviews, yes , a lot has been written, i will give an example there sasha tolmatsky, alexander tolmatsky, the father there cult musician declo and... and the producer, he kind of served time there at one time, then he was not involved in show business initially, unlike the same yuri shmelevich azenshpits, he was involved in cars there, but then he became friends with oleg gazman and was his first director, so he still functions in show business, and no one , including us... friends and relatives, no one has any questions that he kind of served time there or that he is a bandit there, because i repeat that this is quite obvious,

this is a very general environment, show business, the criminal world, there the idea of ​​what is allowed and what is not, resonates very much, a separate story, of course , is a performance in front of bandits, there was a completely wonderful story with bonham, this is for those who are in the tank, let me remind you, this is a disco group from the seventies, very famous, black-german, they performed here a lot, and somehow the money was not transferred on time, in general , somehow they came to the city for the performance.

said, with the artists, this was just one of the signs of the end of times, because it was then, as if the former kotals, and uh, former vars began to engage in racketeering, and uh, many artts, thanks to their connections with these musicians and the fact that they agreed to play by these rules of the game, became famous, and many of those who did not agree, they were...

besides, in fact, there were no longer any of these classic bandits in crimson jackets with gold chains, some were shot, some went into politics, some went into serious business, someone took one or another singer as a wife, there are many such examples, and we are not only talking about singers of the light genre, but there are opera singers who married authoritative people.

somehow now this interaction, it has lost that piquancy, the sharpness that was observed in the late eighties, early nineties, when the country was changing radically and turning into a completely different one. the times of showbiz seizures in the gangster environment and gangster influence in show business are gone, i hope that it is irrevocable, it was evgeny dodalev and the podcast, chronicles of the end of times, all the episodes about... podcastlab you can find on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. hello, you are watching the podcast triggers on

the first channel and with you. its host psychologist tatyana krasnovskaya psychologist psychotherapist sergey nasebyan, our guest today is tatyana, hello, tatyana, hello, hello, well tell me, tatyana, what did you come to us with, it is quite difficult for me to clearly formulate a request, i have quite painful reactions in family conflicts, i married, every time we have some kind of quarrel, with my husband on domestic grounds, there are just some little things, usually they hurt me very... a lot, that is, i somehow internally separate it for myself, that is, there is some rational part of me that explains everything, calms me down, supports me, there is some emotional part that is probably in the shadow of this rational part, which hurts, it is especially painful when the husband, for example, is late at work, it can even be on a small amount of time, there 15 minutes,

yeah, and for me it's like that right inside. drama - it already hurts, it already hurts, that - let's say our agreements weren't kept, well that is, we initially agreed, for example, for some time, and for me it's like such a blow, that means my word means nothing, i'm not needed, in general and i don't know these 15 minutes for me they are very painful and the worst situations that happen in our relationship, when for example he leaves somewhere and... i leave somewhere, and at the same time there is some conflict, well, like, well, go ahead, this is from the region, and i start to get sick, physically sick, that is, even literally last week there was a situation, he left for the weekend, it was a planned trip, everything was fine, he left, and i start to get sick, i have a temperature, something else, that is, i’m physically and somehow apparently experiencing this, such a situation, and this is your first marriage, no, this is your second marriage, yeah, do you have one?

what exactly is happening at that moment, well, he went to get some air, so that there, i don’t know, not kill you, and what is this nausea, why is it so bad, what are you afraid of at this moment? that he will not come back or that he will do something while he is walking, rather, that i have such a feeling that i did not want to cry, well , well, that i feel so bad now that i feel like i am going to die now, and he left , well, okay, you will die, he will come like this, that's it, you have to die in his presence, or do you have to, or do you not have to die, i want not to die, not to die, okay, it somehow for... depends on whether he is nearby or not, whether he dies or not, no, it doesn't depend on that at all, well it doesn't depend at all, it's just that there were some painful moments in life in general, i lived alone, i didn't die, so i kind of understand that, and

what moments are you talking about, if we take super early childhood, for example, i was in intensive care twice, i had problems with my lungs and they always took me away, my parents weren't allowed there, naturally, that is, i went there, for example, in an ambulance. i arrived at the hospital alone, alone and i remember it very well, then there was anesthesia, well, naturally you don't remember, but you wake up alone too, but you are very scared, well, for example, and how old were you, well, about three, well, this is not for example, this is exactly the place that hurts, this feeling now is similar to what you experience when your husband leaves, to that feeling when you woke up in intensive care, it is similar yes, well, that is, the problem is not in him, the problem is that this fear has not gone away. the most, and why do you calm yourself down? because calmness is easier, well, calmness may be easier, but it will be more difficult to live through what we are now trying to understand, to understand,

to experience, just the last very moment, well, emotionally similar to what happened there when i was 3 years old, that was exactly when the moment of my son's birth was. we were supposed to have a partner birth, that is , my husband was supposed to be present, but he was not in the city at that moment, that is , nothing depended on him, anyway, no, well , although he should have been there, just all like that, well, that is, everything that happened, very quickly, that is, he was born very quickly, in general, somehow super quickly, and my husband... just when well, they also lifted me up to the ward, it turns out that there, well , the nurse just looked and well, she also left, and

already, as if some irreversible processes were already underway, and i, too, yes, and i just at that moment very clearly felt the same, that you are in the hospital and you are completely alone and i really wanted to say that someone was nearby. then it was just, it was very scary, i, of course, you joked that he is a bastard, but to me, i don’t think that he is a bastard, but to me it is very, directly, too, of course, very bitter, don’t you think that he is bastard, otherwise that little girl thinks he's a bastard because he's not around, because it's like you can't protect yourself, you've already grown up, you're a grown woman who can basically somehow control her life, but no matter what you do in such situations, you're still alone, and no, learn this, well, i mean get used to the fact that in such situations you're always alone, for some reason you always think that the next situation won't be like this, i just don't know, i don't know how to find that

inside myself, i get consolation at this moment, that is, when i was little there, my parents gave me such a dinosaur. which in the hospital, as if reminded me that i was not alone, of course, maybe i need to get such a dinosaur for myself, this dinosaur was more of a distraction, of course you can get it now, but all the same it will be some part of such an analgesia of the pain that you are. but what if it is not analgesic, what if you live through it? well, now you were also scared, you were uneasy before the start of filming? yes, well, it's exactly the same fear as when

you give birth or when you're in intensive care, the fear is the same, and there's no one around, how do you live through this fear? i want to strangle it inside myself. and what will be left if you strangle it? well, i hope nothing. that it will be somehow empty and calm, i'm afraid that there will be no calm in emptiness, that's the thing, because this fear, it seems to tell you all the time that you're alive, it protects you in many ways, i didn't think about the fact that... then fear can be a signal that, that i'm alive, such a thought, and most importantly, it is recognizable, it is as if a signal that a reminder that you have been in so many situations that could have ended, yes, badly, that's what we'll call it, but you've been through them, you know how to be with it, and this is fear again, that is, in essence, this fear that was born there in the hospital, in intensive care, when you were left there almost alone without your parents,

and if, of course, at 3 years old someone could teach you that you need to interact with this fear, and not with a dinosaur, then this fear tells you, it shows you the fact that you are alive, it’s so simple, well on the one hand it’s simple, and you can’t reject it, you certainly shouldn’t strangle it, you should stay in contact with it, well you have children now, if god forbid the child has... something with his health, you, as a normal mother, will accordingly also give him to the ambulance, they will take him to the hospital and he will be alone, and at that moment, what will you feel when he is there alone, you as a mother, what will you feel, i don’t know, it seems to me, my heart will break, well, that is, your parents' hearts were broken too, well i think so, from which we can assume that your husband's heart is broken when he leaves to breathe, probably, if that 's the case, then what... then it turns out that everything is fine, fine or not, i don't know, but

at least you have something in common that you can experience together, love, for example, well because well you will still quarrel, when in these quarrels your husband leaves, he leaves because he can't stand the pain that you cause him, or he doesn't wants to cause you some strong pain, he leaves in order to breathe, but at the moment when he leaves, he feels exactly the same as you, it is... fear, his heart is also breaking, but instead of joining in this sympathy, his emotions, his experiences, at this moment, of course , we think that the partner is a bastard who does not understand that i feel bad here, well, of course, he feels good, he is breathing, at this moment your mind begins to come up with different kinds of explanations for you, for what reason you should be sure in that you are right and he is not, because it is like... there is an idea that it is harder for me, that if

there is a conflict in a couple, then it is harder for one of them, the other one is of course fine, he is breathing, everything is fine with him, well yes, then they know exactly what they are talking about, at this moment our very attitude forces us to concentrate our attention on ourselves, and such a higher form of egoism, well, because it hurts me more than everyone else at this moment, but it is not quite so. because at the moment when we feel bad, others around us also feel bad, but to direct your attention to the fact that others are bad, it does not seem possible, in fact, it is possible, to think, here i have this fear, here i am afraid of him, that i will die now, and he is not around, that i am alone again, and no one is protecting me, and he feels the same, the same thing, experiences, just on the street, let's say, somewhere, i think that our conversation would... would not have happened if he came drunk after that, because he went there

to get drunk with friends, came back after 2 days, yes, well, most likely we would not have talked about it we were talking about something else, about the fact that your relationship today has value for both of you, in this value you need to find commonality, this experience, it can be your common one, and yes, it will give birth to love, because well, only love will remain there. hello, on air, sergey tugush, in the studio news, at the beginning of the broadcast, briefly about the main thing. the polling stations will close exactly at 20:00, today the single voting day ends, governors and deputies of various levels. in most russian regions, they chose from five.