here is some kind of discussion, okay, here is an international peace prize, it somehow by its existence, as it seems to you, can return us to this reasonable, conscious multipolarity, let's see, i don't know, by the age of 48 i learned to say i don't know, in this super-overloaded world in which lazy people, crushed by information, live, they are lazy because they are crushed by information, by their opinion.

or not, that's another question, because there are quite a lot of prizes, but if you pay attention to promoting this prize and clearly explain, why is it needed, for what actions is this award given, then people can pay attention to this action, will they believe in it or not, another question, that is, the award by its existence, emphasizing some event, some action can be such an ethical regulator, yes, this is bad, this is good.

these were very dramatic stories, parents left and never saw their children again, doctors who sometimes lived in the hospital for six months, left right there, i , as a mother, animated three films, that there were exploits, these were exploits and there was a lot of drama, there was a lot of comedy, naturally, everything that is connected with its own is also clear that any war.

upheavals, apparently, that is, we can expect the appearance of some strong good literature and certainly of course both cinema and literature yes, because this is regardless of the political coloring - of these or those events, all this will go away at some point, human stories will remain, stories of loyalty, stories of betrayal, stories of exploits will remain, because there were they were. there were many, history

specific human actions in specific situations, this will be, of course, including when those people who lived through it themselves, they will start writing about something, because brilliant people wrote about the great patriotic war, including those who went through it themselves. when we talk about international cultural, literary awards, moral awards, human awards. we seem to proceed from the fact that there is a common measure, yes, there is some kind of common base for all of us, because in order to award a prize, there must be equal conditions, but we you have been living for a year now in the so-called cancel culture, when it seems like it is being cut out , here is russian culture, and here is no longer russian culture, here are some basic points on which to rely and form.

tendencies, that is , some kind of further separation will occur or some basic cultural foundations will still win, they will still say: guys, well, stop playing with politics where there can be no politics, what kind of cancel culture? i don’t like any cancel culture, but it exists everywhere in the world, we are not in some isolated state, it is a tendency, the cancel culture is happening. because there is where to cancel, there is the internet, you can cancel there, what is cancel culture, in essence, in essence, yes, it is a kind of substitution of law, because this or that person , in the opinion of someone on the network, commits a not reckless act, and the network further

socially kills this person, this has nothing to do with law, because there is no presumption of innocence and so on, it exists everywhere, everywhere, if we have it, yes, how much hate is there on the net. of course, is it bad? yes, and is it defeatable? no, it cannot be defeated, because as soon as a person has the opportunity to hate, he begins to hate. the net gives opportunities for anonymous hatred, unfortunately, i travel a lot around the world, and until now have i encountered any negativity towards myself, from foreigners, no, i have not encountered even with those with whom my political views differ russians. yes, of course everything is fine there, that's where you can really get it, that's it there is, but these are our internal investigations, and there they look for any reason to classify you as one or another, as one or another circle of people , they immediately

work in the opposite direction, well, that's why from the point of view of whether people began to read tolstoy less abroad, no, well, with the exception of some clinical lunatics, who, no, we will not count tolstoy. because they are such bad russians, fortunately there is none of that, whether we began to read mark twain or someone else less, fortunately, there is no such thing either, although we will definitely find someone who will say, let's remove american literature from the school curriculum, it's not good for us to read it, well, it's some kind of extremes, so we continue to read shevchenko, well, and love gogol, well, what can you do, we generally don't let gogol go anywhere, what can you do? so of course all this is sad, but here we just need to not go to extremes and another very important point is not to judge the whole society by the extreme manifestations that a number of its members have representatives, that's what we start sometimes, even if we take the real

problems with people who left, there are absolutely different people there, there are those who express themselves very radically and are simply unacceptable, there are those who sincerely worry about having just a different point of view, but very often. i would like to return, they are simply all thrown into one pile , they are assessed, unfortunately, by the most extreme, as well as vice versa, we also have enough people who express, well, to put it mildly, strange, extremely aggressive position, extremely aggressive, it's true, it doesn't mean that everyone thinks so, no, but they evaluate it by the most extreme, that 's why we need a peace prize, i agree, yes, in general, in fact, the issue of reconciliation for our country is key, this reconciliation has been going on since the time of the division of the division into whites and reds. there are too few of us, we have only 140 million for the largest country in the world, this, by the way, is a big geopolitical problem, i have no illusions about the fact that russia with such a quantity of national resources with such a small population raises questions for everyone about the fairness of the distribution of

these resources, yes, they will look at us, and is it not enough for them, but there are few of us, we really are due to the bloodiest 20th century instead of what... i think, i think i read that when, and during the time of catherine the great, there were calculations about how much the population of russia should be, in my opinion, by the 21st century, there were either 350 million or 400, we don’t have them, we must somehow tolerate each other, even if we have a common position of view diverges, but there are not quite, there are not radical things, we must somehow overcome this split, understanding that yes, well, each person is valuable on both sides, the more this movement to try to understand each other is, the better for all of us, because the country needs people and needs us to love each other, what are

your basic principles right now, today for tomorrow? and you know, i come from a family of doctors, i, and i, too, my dad, mom, grandfather, grandmother, great-grandfather, great-grandmother, are all doctors and they... where can you help, to make it better, but at least not to make it worse than it was, this concerns the topics that i write about, and somehow in life, what i do, this is one, secondly, so that people treat themselves with love, we also have a problem, why don’t we love others, because we don’t love ourselves, because, and sometimes we don’t love ourselves, because we have raised the moral bar, we all dig, he says, well, i’m just a scoundrel, well, how is that possible, and a person there, i don’t know , was late for work sometimes these or vice versa and says i already. there are none, i failed in any case, i try so that people, even finding some

internal imperfections, they could still forgive themselves in some way, somewhere, but knowing that this is no longer necessary and to go a little further, and we have two extremes, we either forgive ourselves everything, everything at all, or we forgive nothing, both, this is psychiatry, well, that's probably why the principle is such, and to come to interviews with smart women. this is a very good principle, a good principle, we share it, and we talked about it today about the international peace prize named after ilv nikolaevich with a writer, screenwriter, as you found out here, with a philosopher in jeans, it was not me who said this, it was me who was called that , otherwise they will tell me now, but he has completely lost all sense, it was me, alexander tsypkin, who said this.

greetings, friends, on the air of the podcast of the chronicle of the end of times and me, evgeny dodolev. today i will tell you about the most grandiose failure of the armed forces of the ussr during perestroika. the so-called matthias rust case. matthias rust is an eighteen-year-old german pilot who was honored on the day border guard, this is very important, on border guard day. to cross the border of the soviet union on his amateur sports plane, fly half of the european part of the state and land on red square, well , to be precise, he couldn't land directly on red square because it was very crowded, it was a holiday, i repeat, border guard day, may 28, eighty -seventh year, he made three approaches, turned between the historical museum, the building of the historical museum from...

seventh year as a special correspondent of the magazine, which was the organ of the central committee of the young communist league, was at the trial of matees rust, and it seemed to me that everyone was also looking with great sympathy and goodwill at this young man, he was 18 years old when he landed, literally a few days later he turned 19, very young, like a schoolboy with a thin neck in barrels, he spoke smoothly, apologized, said that it had never occurred to him that red square had such significance for the soviet people, well, yes, by the way, it was from him that i learned that it turns out that at that time you can’t go to red square it was time to smoke, he said that i found out that red square is such a sacred place, and even by law you can't smoke on red square. i remember that many of those present at the conclusion looked at each other, because well, it's not like we were smoking on red square, well

, no one thought about it, so he landed on red square, there were a lot of people there, a fine holiday day, by the way, a witness to this landing was young sergei minaev, who later became a famous writer and blogger, he was 12 years old, he my parents were on red square and i remembered this story, there turned out to be... several film crews, for some reason, well , you know, it's the same story as september 11 in the united states, there at the moment of the first plane crashing into the skyscrapers it turned out that it was filmed competently from several points, as if they were waiting, here too there were four film crews who were filming there, well, like a festive crowd, and naturally, when the sports plane with the fat man's badge landed, this a bomb with three stabilizers, here climbed

out of the cabin, a young man in a red jumpsuit, and for an hour he was signing autographs and talking to the crowd, i repeat, the soviet union, here are those who remember, red square, you couldn't smoke on red square, the plane lands here, and for an hour the man was talking to the crowd, until specially trained people appeared, no smiles, in gray suits, very politely took him away, he was talking to fans, who immediately formed fans there, with the help of a translator, there was a guy there. i was told a 16 year old who spoke english, and he was like a translator for him. when i tried to communicate with mateos during the trial, he said that he didn't speak english, very politely, well, in principle, there was access, the openness was amazing, because any journalist could ask questions to him and his family, the family came to the

trial, the parents, a slightly frightened blonde with such a cut. and the younger brother, such a straight blonde and a beast, just like on the nazi posters, absolutely all white, with delicate features, they all looked a little scared, but that's already i'm getting ahead of myself, so mateas rus, border guard day, scandal, the scale of the scandal we in any case, i'll repeat about the moscow journalists, we didn't understand , it seemed to us that well, this is just so cool, peace, friendship, chewing gum, a german arrived. a german plane arrived on red square, it was clear that in general everything was falling apart, it became clear at the seams that here is the invincible legendary, as the song went from the taiga to the british seas, the red army is the strongest of all, here it turns out that the red army let through just an amateur plane with an inexperienced pilot, well, how inexperienced,

officially he had only 50 hours of training flight time, only 50 hours is not much. in order to make such a daring flight, but then it turned out, many years later, that he went to another school, in addition to this hamburg flight school, where he officially studied 50 hours, he studied in another school for an unknown amount of time, and it is also unclear who paid for this training then, because, by the way, it was even said at the trial, he himself said, we remember, he had a long speech there, about an hour long, about nothing, for everything good against everything bad, but he said in particular that training at the flight school of the federal republic of germany is very expensive. by the way, there is also a lot of incomprehensible stuff about money, i'm getting ahead of myself, i'll say that when he disappeared from the radar, i'll explain what i'm talking about, just such a detail about money, he disappeared from the radar

because he turned off all the devices, left in another echelon dropped to 600 m. and even lower, since it was flying from helsinki officially to stockholm, but it turned around, abruptly changed its echelon and route and flew towards moscow, it crossed the border in the kohtla-jarva area, this is the estonian soviet socialist republic, so, uh, when it disappeared from the radar, the finns got worried, it was flying from finland, i repeat, from helsinki, some search operations were organized, they found a huge... oil slick, from which they concluded that the plane had crashed, and some time before evening, until 7:00 p.m., when he landed in moscow, they thought that matthás rust had died, that the plane had crashed, there are two versions here, the first is that he himself dropped one of the tanks into the water so that this oil slick

would form, the second version is that the people who assisted him helped, because this, of course, was a prepared... mega-operation, maybe matthás himself was used in the dark, maybe he was not such a super agent, but it was an operation, so for this search operation, after all, we still had the soviet union, and there was already capitalism, 120 thousand bundesmarks - that's about 100,000 dollars, i think, at the exchange rate at that time, by the way, very serious money, he was fined, later, when he flew to moscow, sat a little in moscow and returned. to west germany, they wrote out this fine, who paid this fine, again it's unclear, there are no ends, by the way, there are no ends, one more detail is also about money, to finish with this. his plane, it's a french sports plane, very popular, especially for beginner pilots, it has very high wings, so excellent visibility, so this

plane, it was confiscated by the authorities, i don’t know by whom, border guards, the state security committee, well , by whom, it landed on red square, it ended up somewhere in some warehouse, i don’t know. it somehow ended up with a japanese businessman, who bought it, well, from an investment point of view, that is, he bought it in the presumption that someday - this artifact it will go up in price and maybe it will be more expensive to sell it somehow, in 2007, i think, he sold it to the germans for some museum, but how did a japanese businessman end up with this trophy, the plane that landed on red square, you won’t find this information anywhere, i looked. i didn’t find it, that is, there’s a lot of murky dark stuff there, because i’ll repeat myself again, it was the end of times, the country was falling apart, it was bursting at the seams, corruption was outrageous, that is,

the military was selling secrets and equipment, and the same thing happened with the plane a very, very unclear story, in general with matees rust there was a lot that was unclear, how an eighteen-year-old boy managed to equip this plane, because he removed all the seats, the plane, by the way, was not his property, it was rented , installed fuel tanks there, which allowed him to warm up before the flight on may 28, 1987, in mid-may he flew from hamburg to iceland, flew there with two overnight stays, he stopped in the faroe islands on the falkland islands, to iceland on his words... he flew in to soak up the spirit of the meeting between gorbachev and reagan, who were negotiating there, they didn't really agree on anything,

so for some reason he really wanted to somehow be imbued with this spirit and in general , according to his version, one of his versions, he flew to moscow in order to see gorbachev, to talk with mikhail sergeyevich on a peace mission, he wanted to somehow , he didn't know that may 28 is not just border guard day, but it is also... gorbachev's visit to the federal republic of germany, gorbachev there was no kremlin, although in one of the sources i read, well, such a funny, but not corresponding to the truth, the layout that when matejas russ landed on the red squares, gorbachev asked the minister of defense what was going on, but these are apparently the people who composed this scenario, they proceeded from the fact that in general everyone lives in the kremlin, the general secretary, the central committee, everyone. somewhere in the kremlin they hang out together, so they can find out, allegedly gorbachev asked what was going on outside our window, and the then minister of defense sokolov, he said,

that this movie is being filmed, well, i doubt it very much, just as, by the way , i doubt it, well, it’s not that i doubt it, that i don’t believe it, but i doubt the words of general ivashov, general ivashov said that a few days, 3-4 days before this scandal, before matyas rust’s arrival in moscow, the then minister of defense of the soviet union, marshal sokolov, showed gorbachev the latest map with the location of anti-aircraft missile divisions and, uh, zones, well, where all these radio interceptions are, some secret military map, and he forgot this map... as general ivashov says, in the office of the general secretary, he was not yet the president of the soviet union, he was the general secretary

of the communist party of the ussr, mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev, then sokolov and voshovo sent for this map, and mikhail sergeyevich said, what map to know, i don’t know anything, i’ve never seen any map at all, and supposedly this map was found in matyas rust’s possession, that ’s just it. well, i don’t know, i have this from that series, i bought it for what i sold it for, i’m just telling you what i heard, no, no need, it's just that no one met me and... there is contact, ninel - the premiere of a multi-part film, tomorrow on channel one,

thank you, tolya! robert taras, we will play. you will not like what i am about to say. radoslaw sekorski - a polish russophist with a british passport. the interests of the united states and yours do not coincide. the poles really want ukraine to lose this conflict. when else will poland have a historic chance to privatize what was once in greater poland was part of. american agent, the americans are holding their political elite like this, nato's position is somewhat hypocritical, nato says: you can become a member of nato as soon as you win the war. the poles will also have to make a choice either an adequate, normal future for the country, and this is with us, with

belarus, with russia, with other countries. photos of matyas rust in helsinki, when he gets into his sesna, he's there in jeans and a shirt, four film crews were there at that moment, and you can see how he gets out of the cabin in a red jumpsuit, in in a red flight suit, he was asked about this, why when he changed, he said that he had this suit under his shirt and jeans,

well, just if you take this... compare these videos, you will understand that he is simply lying, he lied, he allegedly took off his shirt and jeans on the plane and ended up in this suit. in fact, of course, he was changing clothes, and the fact that he landed after 6 hours of flight with almost full tanks, and he flew 6.5 hours instead of three 3.5, shows that he was landing, that he was on the territory of... soviet the union made a landing, where he changed clothes, refueled, by the way, they drew a fat man for him, that is, this round bomb with three stabilizers on the tail of his sessiles, because the filming from helsinki shows that there is no such drawing, there on the tail, just this - a tricolor, yellow-black-red flag of the federal

republic of germany and a number, that's all. they saw him right away, they saw him right away, but they didn't take any measures, why are there two factors here, as it seems to me, the first year of 83 was a grandiose bems, when our p

of the soviet union, that he saw a fighter, which flew around it - and disappeared, and as matyas himself said, that in the federal republic of germany, if a military plane wants to intercept a civilian one, it makes a sharp horizontal turn and flies close at - at the same flight level, and after that the pilot of the civilian... plane must

turn around and stand behind the military plane, and the military, as a sign of confirmation that yes, that he was understood correctly, must either shake his wings, or blink twice there... uh, and he says that since the soviet pilot did not do this, then he considered, that the road was clear and he could fly further, by the way, there was one detail, during his open interrogation, i don’t know what happened during closed interrogations, of course, but in court they asked him, weren’t you afraid that you would be shot down, that they would simply launch a missile, and he said, well, i was wearing a helmet, he said, of course it was trolling, matez was just - he was making fun, he was just trolling lawyers, judges, and journalists, but there really was such an episode, that one of the pilots saw this unidentified plane and said that this was the plane with

some kind of drawing, no, not with a drawing of a bomb, but it had a stripe like that on the fuselage, by the way, if there had been a drawing of a bomb, he probably would have paid attention to it, but the nuance is that the matiz was flying as slowly as possible, that is, the minimum cruising speed was very low, that is, it flew mainly at an altitude of 600 m, but often descended to an altitude of 300 and 100 m, as he himself explained, not in order to hide from air defense, but because there was no processing of its sestno, ice settled on the canopy on the wings at high altitude and he did it so that... this ice melted, went down lower according to his version, in fact , he very skillfully evaded surveillance, just understand that this sports plane flies at such a speed, actually like

a turtle, if compared with the speed of a fighter, a fighter simply cannot follow it, no matter what the minimum permissible speed of the fighter, it will still whistle over this kind of plane, therefore... although in general, well, i am ready to admit that he could have done this, but only once again i repeat, look at this jumpsuit , everything will become clear to you, you can’t pack one like that into jeans, besides, it also managed to fly over the site of military exercises,

air defense and aviation military exercises, military attachés from many western countries were present at these exercises, including... the military attaché of the federal republic of germany, and these military attachés launched balloons, well, those metal ones, well, which - well, they completely confuse attention, they are defined as some kind of flying objects, also a little bit of a very strange story, especially since - in the time of flight over this zone was assigned to him, you know, there is a coding "friend or foe", to him , as they say , an inexperienced lieutenant, by mistake assigned to all the aircraft that were in the sky at that time, in this sector, the value "friend", that is, for some time he flew as some kind of soviet aircraft, not a military one, some kind of incomprehensible one, but his own, which

should not have attracted any attention, in short, he with this with this coding, the strangest story was with the disconnection of service services in one of the... circles, because maintenance work had been carried out the day before, the officer in charge was asked to turn it off, they didn't ask, but in the army they don't ask, of course, they ordered it, he was so confused that he said that he wouldn't do it without a written order, well, because well, it's very strange, why on earth, the routine maintenance had been carried out, that's why he should turn it off, in 5 minutes, in 5 minutes he had this written order, it's also a very... strange story, in 1987 in general - the systematic destruction of the armed forces of the soviet union began, in particular the air defense, the air defense was - the air defense units were scattered between the ground

units and so on, that is, there was such a lack of coordination, in short, in order to coordinate something, if earlier, before 1987, it took 2-3 minutes, well, that is , some kind of target appeared, it was necessary to make a decision: shoot down, do not shoot down, engage ... do not engage, but now it took at least 15-20 minutes, that is, a significant part its route, it flew completely invisible to anyone. two or three times it was seen by different pilots, they reported all their reports were simply ignored, well, they said something like forget it , everything is fine, it's probably there, well , i don't know, someone and something is flying somewhere. a couple of times on radar - it was identified from esnu as a tightly flying flock of some, i don't know, korelian geese or some birds, at least according to official documents. then it flew into the territory

of the moscow district, passed through the so -called sheremetyevo shed. sheremetyevo then there was the only international airport. well, in short, he entered this stack, a stack, because well, there is an airliner approaching for landing, they make these movements, they are also waiting for the controller, the signal to approach, to land. he just passed through. this stack, creating, in general, such a situation, well, risky, that is, people could die, and also no reaction, also this report that the plane is simply flying through sheremetyevo towards moscow, was completely ignored, this is a podcast of the chronicle of the end of times and i, its host evgeny dodolev, today i will tell you about the case of matthias russ. then he flies up to the capital, as he says, he flew to

red square, because the only place he knew in moscow was the rossiya hotel, that was the hotel, the largest in europe, and he knew the hotel because he lived there, an eighteen-year-old boy came to moscow, lived practically on red square, i personally have no doubt that he was simply walking with a notebook , measuring his steps, that's how far it was from here to here and estimating. since it was clear that he couldn't

land directly on this pavement, he landed on the moskvaretsky bridge, there were trolleybus lines there in those years, pay attention, on that day all these wires were removed, why were they being repaired or maintained, there may be some reasons, an explanation, why they were removed on that day, the night before, may 27, 1987, why the routes were suspended. it is completely unclear, moreover, an employee of the state traffic inspectorate, the state traffic safety inspectorate, when he saw this plane, he stopped everything the movement of passenger cars, simply freeing up this landing strip. the strangest story, neither this officer nor the people who gave the order to remove the trolleybus wires were questioned, this was not mentioned in court, it is not in any of the case materials, not even in the... materials of the so-called ord, operational-search case, although

a thorough job was done there, they interrogated him there, among other things, they did not interrogate him, well , there was espionage work in the federal republic of germany, that is, they were interested in his family, they found out that his father traded sports planes as a child, that is, the boy knew it very well, he had been there at the training grounds at... at the airport sites, that is, he was very interested in it and was, of course, a very experienced pilot, moreover, his, of course, this throw to iceland at such a distance, it was just a pre-flight training, it is clear that he did not fly there to get saturated with this or that spirit, but simply trained, and as i already said, two people were imprisoned for missing the materasrust, that is, this is... the plane, but the repressions that

followed after that, they are in the opinion of one of the ocean explorers, i read a big article, so he compares the gorbachev repressions that followed this scandal with the stalinist repressions, if we are talking about the armed forces, the purge in the upper echelons of the generals, two marshals were fired, marshal sokolov. the minister of defense and the air defense commander, three or three hundred generals lost their jobs, that is, in terms of the number of dismissed military leaders of gorbachev. this does not compare with the number of military leaders dismissed or executed during stalin's time, yes, there were such repressions that people were simply shot, here gorbachev did not have such a task, his task was simply to remove inconvenient and resisting the collapse of the armed forces, officers and generals, in general

it must be said that mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev is now portrayed by many as such a simpleton, naive, well, such an assistant... whom the soviet social elevator carried to the very top, he became the head of the largest state in the world, so naive, a silly good-natured guy who didn't understand what he was doing, when i look at the photo there, where they are with yevgeny mironov, who played gorbachev in the play gorbachev, well, two such sunny, smiling people, that very meeting between gorbachev and reagan in reykjavik, which i mentioned at the very beginning, it didn't lead to the results that the americans were striving for, the americans wanted, there was an agreement on medium -range missiles, so that we would destroy our missiles, well, that is, it means that they too were ready to destroy, say, a thousand missiles there, but we had

to destroy 2.0 missiles, that is, in fact , just do such a bloodletting, they then... the same sokolov, who replaced ustinov in this position of minister of defense, said that in no case, it is possible not to increase weapons, to put existing weapons under the knife, be it tanks, missiles or planes, is unacceptable, and from gorbachev they expected exactly this, they expected exactly

the destruction of military potential, and he really wanted these publications, these smiles, these techniques and... many people believe that this operation with matyas rust's flight was developed by western intelligence services, that's why he flew along the railway tracks and never got to the places where he could have been intercepted, not only me, but also many of my colleagues who have dealt with this issue specifically, they come to the conclusion that it was a joint operation of our intelligence services. western ones, because, well, you know, it's only in the movies, there are their spies, our intelligence officers, that there is this confrontation, very often intelligence services coordinate and cooperate with each other, so i think that this operation was developed jointly, and

that kryuchkov, the then head of the kgb, simply helped mikhail gorbachev get rid of the military. what he actually managed to do about those military men who resisted gorbachev's reforms, mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev is simply once again not such a simpleton as many people think, and as he is portrayed, such a simpleton who simply does not understand anything, i want to give you just one example, statistics, for 5 years from 34 to... the central committee of the cpsu, that is, he removed 77% of the undesirables. gorbachev, who is often presented as anti-stalin. in a year, he removed 85%. mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev was an experienced seasoned predator in this political field, he knew perfectly well what he was doing.