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the corresponding solution to the issue, if they have, then they have their own, repainted missiles with western filling, why then do they need to beg, this is official permission from the british from the americans, maybe someone can explain the curtain, the house curtain, and what our foreign ministry said is a game of supposedly objective decision-making will not be, will press to the heart, will send to hell, like girls tell fortunes on flowers, therefore this is nothing more than just putting up a house curtain, in which blinken, let's say, has become a pro and succeeded. as he says blinkin, rest assured, the exact opposite decision will be made, as an example. anna yuryevna, well, you have questions as a legislator, as a mother to a woman, here is what is happening now with these battles at the political level, what should we prepare for, what can this lead to, we are ready to give an answer and maybe today in the speech of our president something about this will be said, what do you suppose? well, first i will try to say my position on your question about why this, although they already have weapons, everything was
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in a different way, then we looked at these fragments, it was just the first missile, when we were just learning to shoot them down, then we learned to shoot them down , actually, we protected our people, so that's what , in my opinion, considering that everything was flying anyway, this is simply in the form of movement at the front, this is political pressure in order to... now publicly intimidate, frighten, force us to some kind of fussy or, let's say, other steps, then this is such a bargaining, political bargaining, an exchange, of course, our children hear this, our people hear this, citizens, of course, this pressure, it multiplies on each of us, here, what we need to understand, firstly, absolutely definitely, these missiles flew before, no, well, with a range of up to 100 km, well, they didn’t fly, yeah.
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if it were different there, then perhaps this statement would not have followed, but now we are pressing in those strategic directions and are following them, and every time we understand why we receive tasks for humanitarian support, the united russia headquarters for support, i head the state cooperation, so we immediately understand in what direction to move, we are very closely monitoring the movement of our military in order to understand where the next humanitarian aid should be sent and what support should be provided. so that is why now yes,
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we need to work in two directions, and here too we need to explain, explain how we should correctly understand this from the side of the specialized structures and departments in the regions, bring it to every person, both in the border areas and everywhere throughout russia. of course, in the words of anna yuryevna, there is truth regarding bargaining, in general all these talk about permission to strike with long-range weapons deep into russian territory is like dancing with bobna, the head of the russian mit sergey lavrov. believes that kiev was allowed to use these long-range weapons a long time ago. we have no doubt that the decision to lift restrictions on the use of long-range weapons to attack the territory of the russian federation was made a long time ago, now they are trying to, well, so more beautifully, more decently, or something, more elegantly formalize it in the public space, we ...
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understand perfectly well that the west called this war against russia existential, the goal of inflicting a strategic defeat on us, but i will remind you once again, i have already done this in our circle, i will remind you once again that other great figures in the history of international relations, including napoleon, set the same goals for themselves.
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you said, but on the other hand , the situation is really quite difficult for us, if we are talking about torque again, if we start from the opinion voiced here that the basis for decisions or the legalization of decisions on allowing strikes with long-range weapons, the successes of the russian army in the donetsk direction lie there, but the question also arises, of course, what could they want from us, for example, the beginning of peace negotiations on... non-russian conditions, for example, the most, most obvious, the most obvious answer, well, not capitulation, but perhaps such a peace process or such a temporary peace treaty, which could easily be portrayed there as a truly strategic defeat for russia, by the way, i would not forget that on november 5 there are elections in the united states, on the question of the timing of these strikes, here
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they talked about october, again october in this regard is a really dangerous month, because in the united states the election campaign will enter its final stretch, and the current administration. it will be necessary to show some major success for ukraine in order to demonstrate to the americans that all this assistance was not in vain, that ukraine is quite resistant, and since our leadership, and you and i in this studio have already actually decided that this permission will be received, it doesn’t matter whether it will really be there american missiles or ukrainian missiles depicted as american, it is important that such strikes are quite likely to be carried out, and you yourself showed the maps, they... frighten us, any minute now, tomorrow, it will start, it will start, but still, we constantly return to this question, since this probability is high, as we decided here, then the next question,
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really, and how will we respond to this, here we are involved in quite serious decisions, you yourself understand what kind, in this regard i agree with you that... the prospect now the risk of a nuclear conflict and a nuclear catastrophe, it seems to me, is tens of times higher than the development of artificial intelligence, which will capture us, this is the problem that we should think about first of all today , with artificial intelligence, i am sure, we will deal with it much easier than with western politicians who do not see any barriers, any obstacles and are ready to go further and further up this notorious ladder, escalation, although the prospect of a direct nuclear clash with the west is already an absolutely real thing, especially after those... do it,
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then it won't happen, and what should we do if you, then this will happen, if you don't do it, so that some events happen, what are they talking about, and is it a trade, is it connected with the elections, is it connected? is it connected with the americans, well, let's say first that these are the maps that the americans gave to ukraine at the beginning, now they have returned them back, that is, they receive all the intelligence data from western intelligence agencies, here are the dots drawn, but it is implied that these are military facilities, they show military objects, and i'm not sure that they will send them, they even agreed on the lists, remember, zelensky came, so this is a map of western intelligence services, this is blackmail, everything that is happening now is information blackmail. let's look at the background against which it is happening, they are afraid of the rapprochement of russia, china and iran in military-technical cooperation. they announced this a week ago before this topic was raised, and look, they are always working through the media, these guys
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went there, then they won't go to washington, they didn't take zelensky. linkin said that i listened to the proposal, i will report to biden, there is some confusion among them, not among us, putarov. we are one step away from a nuclear war with the russians, that's the point, i'm not sure that they will receive this permission before the elections, that's the link, after the elections, if harris wins, too... discussions, but what are our answers, after all, yesterday the president said, let's instruct the government to think about stopping the trade in uranium, nickel and titanium, these are strategic goods that the united states buys first and foremost, the united states boeing refused the second direction
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from buying our titanium, and from uranium biden legislatively refused they buy fake titanium, this has already been revealed by the commission, because where they went there. bought russian titanium, fudged it so that it was not visible that by the content, it is visible there by the content of micro, these elements, the second direction, who said that we will not help? to get means of delivering nuclear weapons, who said that iran does not have it, and what are they more afraid of in connection with iran, that iran will help us with ballistic missiles, about what they publicly declare, or that we will help iran implement a nuclear program, about which publicly until the mind immediately there will be nuclear parity in the middle east, the americans, both parties are for israel, here in relation to ukraine there are big doubts today, we saw this with you at the meeting in congress.
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but all this is a heart attack, we will teach you to understand difficult problems and as always, we will help you to be
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healthy, tomorrow on the first, your help is really needed, my mother fell for a swindler's trick, four real stories: we met on a dating site, i saw these diamonds, i checked them, it was all real. four different women, i asked, why the investigative committee, how could you work in the fsb, who are connected by only one thing: he introduced himself as a businessman, they all became victims of manipulators, i could not imagine that he could deceive me, and one of them is still under the influence of the fraudster, maybe he plays his best role with you? maybe the ideological inspirer of this whole operation was his wife? for the sake of love, does anyone lose money? these are
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just pieces of paper, someone has lost themselves. it is impossible to live any longer. if a man asks you for money, run away from him. manipulators. a scam for love. premiere. from september 14, on saturdays, on the first. life and vol grigorievich says: next year, when the lilacs also bloom, the war
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will end. mesen conducted a series of experiments in the presence of professors from vilnius university, who confirmed that there was no deception in the experiments. remember, bulgakov needed to expose black makeup. he said: "i do not blood feud, guinea pig, no need to examine me." he himself did not know who he was. create legends about yourself. the gods started with this. on the 125th anniversary of wolf's birth. missing on saturday on the first, good evening, earthlings, very nice, i can understand who it is, noses, i call it such wonderful hooliganism, i have seen a lot in our show, but i have not yet caught this feeling that i have gone crazy. if you can do this and do it this way, you are
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a very cool artist, this is definitely michael jackson, let's stop at this point of my confidence, so far i have only recognized oleshka, here ask yarmolnik to dance like this now, anything can happen here. i decided that i would give up this business of guessing, i want to be surprised, exactly, the new season from september 15. sunday on the first. ukraine is really a real tool in the hands of the united states, and the candidates for the presidency of america successfully use this tool. look at the opinion expressed by the candidate for the vice-presidency of the usa,
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jay. he sketched out a rough plan of how donald trump will end the conflict on... russia wants this war to end, ukraine wants this war to end, europe, which by the way, underfunded this war, while american taxpayers have been very generous to the ukrainians, so i think that's what it looks like. trump sits down, says to the russians, to the ukrainians, to the europeans, you guys have to figure out what a peace settlement looks like, and it's probably going to look something like the current line of demarcation between russia and... it's going to be like a demilitarized zone, it's going to be heavily fortified so the russians don't invade again. ukraine retains its independent sovereignty. russia receives a guarantee of neutrality from ukraine. it does not join nato, it does not join any allied institutions. i think that this is ultimately how it looks. and by the way, the germans and other countries should finance the restoration of ukraine. that the instigators
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are trying to become sergey vladlenoch's fixers. well, you know, it would seem that these are sound things, but we must take into account many factors here, firstly, everything that is said during the election campaign, in the case the coming to power of those politicians who declare this during the race, the election race, must be divided by seven or, in any case, so to speak, seriously adjusted taking into account the fact that a politician fighting for power is one story, a politician who comes to power is another story, there completely different levers, mechanisms come into play, there the deep state puts pressure, there in general, so to speak, here everything that was developed, here this, so to speak, you understand, array of the previous administration, because look, very often, it would seem, so to speak, that those who are coming to power and trying to deny what was done by
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their predecessors, marginalized people, well, so to speak, people who, so to speak, do not have access to the airwaves, who do not have access, so to speak, to a wide audience, this is not talk in the kitchen, this is said by a politician who has every chance, in the event of trump's victory, to become the second person in the us administration, this is an important shift, a word is not
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a sparrow, once it flies out you can't catch it, here in fact this is... this is also a sign of an attempt to shift responsibility, in fact this was still earlier, so to speak, in the first months of the special operation, it was not so visible, because they tried to somehow cover it up, they created this rammstein group, so to speak, many countries, it seems like everything is collective , collective, collective, and then it turned out that ukraine-ukraine is like tobacco apart, you understand, so to speak, and
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gunpowder in a rose, yes, but with the republican party, and not only, not only, you know, even in fact, if we look very closely at what kamala harris says, given that it is very difficult to call her a politician, it is rather a function, i wrote about this, so to speak, it is such a political technology on hormones, we grow a politician, there too, so to speak, i do not see any such clear readiness to unconditionally support ukraine, all statements in support of ukraine, it is rather inertia, it is rather a role-playing game, it works. well, any inertia is a law of physics, it ends someday, because when , so to speak, the engine stops moving, but the car is still moving at idle, just so to speak, well, resistance of materials.
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are quite obvious and unambiguous, we see that the extreme right parties receive a high percentage, the extreme left parties receive a high percentage, and the current government is in
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a defeated state, by the way, soon there will be elections again in another german land, and if the current coalition suffers the same defeat, especially scholze's party, then in germany they are already seriously talking about the possibility of early elections, let me remind you that according to the program they should take place in the fall next year, so... there are things that are really quite obvious, we see what is happening with the german economy, we know how energy bills are growing, fuel bills in germany, we see such striking examples as the closure of the volkswagen plant in germany for the first time in history, or a story like this, when the concern, the chemical concern basb decides to sell its gas production company, this is simply madness from the point of view of normal economic logic, but no matter how strong the economy is and no matter how... in germany, but
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i repeat once again, the results of the last elections show that the cock is pecking, and i think that in the next elections, which we are also waiting with interest, this trend will continue. well, look, alexander germanovich, after all, we just showed jaydee vance, where he says that he would see the end of the conflict along the current line with... for us this raises certain questions, because on our side the line is constantly moving, but this idea that along the current line of military action, not only trump and jaydee vance are pushing, more and more politicians, including scholz, say that we should stop somewhere along the current line, are they also probing something , trying to bargain with us or is this their specific proposal already?
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to persuade us to their line of behavior, and you and i were on the air when the polish journalist you know was laughing out loud like a well-fed wolf, go, russians, go, at best
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you will reach the dnieper, stop, this will be your 16th century border, that's how they see us, so the lines of combat contact, naturally, are their crystal dream, each its movement can lead to the loss of the country's territory, which does not belong to any ukraine, it was bought a long time ago by right, which they profess. american and british capital, all at the roots, including children, which assana yuryevna talked about during the break, as well as deposits 16 uranium deposits, as well as titan, as well as shale oil, as well as gas, as well as rare earth, there has been nothing ukrainian left there for a long time, in this regard, of course, they are very worried about the loss of their property, i have no doubt at all, on this matter we cannot agree with this physically, because i will tell you from my point of view, what i have always said, they will drag nato bases in one jerk. to this line of combat contact a thousand kilometers relative to their current location, their location, after that they will give birth to new fighters, who now go to school in short pants and who
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hate us, because in ukrainian... i would say with a music track, we showed similar songs before the start of the svo, as they say at some festivals, a small such a blonde girl, shoots at the kremlin, at the russians, we showed all this, we know how it works for them for more than one year, and how they pump up and pump up their brains, including their children. as he says, i will quote him, that we will strengthen it to such an extent that the russians will not be able to attack, and ukraine itself cannot strengthen, while ukraine
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, as it were... remains non-aligned, but this is nonsense in itself such a thing is impossible, so what do you think, we with these little ukrainians who are now being brought up on this ideology, how to make them not want to kill us, to put the idea, and this is their main ideology now, how to make them not want to die, for someone else's uncle in america, so here i absolutely agree with my colleagues that no matter what president, what his last name is, what color his skin is in america? the tactics of the usa and america will be the same, nothing new will begin for russia, in russia, yes, the presidential elections are an epochal event, because with the change of leader the cross courses change domestic policy, foreign policy, and that means there is a serious restructuring going on, there is no, secondly, what was said, was not said to russia, in my opinion, the rhetoric that we have just heard is addressed
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to the pro-ukrainian electorate. it is not for us, not for our discussion, therefore, seriously discussing what was said, well, it makes no sense, what is offensive to me personally in these words, yes, except for this here along the current line, the distinctions, a thief should sit in prison, a criminal should sit in prison, here, investigating the crimes of the kiev regime against adults, i have not seen such horror as we have seen, studying the cases, going to the places, i have not seen even in the camps in syria. in the refugee camps, where there were, including terrorists, of course, this is what arranged, arranged the west, the collective west arranged ukraine, it made a weapon out of it and continues to raise it, here returning to your question, books, everything, all the information field in which the child is raised is stuffed with these theses of this ideology
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terrible, and a child, except to kill... a russian does not see anything in himself and no purpose further, to kill, to destroy, that is, this is certainly aggression, what creation, what self-development, why are you growing up, for what homeland, maybe you are a talented singer, artist or will do something in light of the upcoming forum, i just give such examples, operating in st. petersburg, no, they are charged with one task, one function, this is a weapon, this is a beoo weapon, this is exactly what they raise children to be. today, when we approached and we are building now on those liberated territories, as we call them, yes, returning our native territories, laying new roads, building schools, every time you come to mariupol, i go there quite often, every time it’s just a new city, you drive along new streets, well, beauty, unconditional, volnovakha is being built, well, i don’t know, churches are being built there, and schools, sports facilities, hospitals.
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the energy of precisely this human energy, just money or means, let’s say you can’t do it with external resources, you need it is the carriers of such...
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our understanding of what for, why and why will really help. a short advertisement and we will return. you will not like what i am about to say. nato's position is somewhat hypocritical: nato says: "you can become a member of nato as soon as you win the war." the poles will also have to make a choice: either an adequate, normal future for the country, and this is with us, with belarus, with russia, with other countries
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of the eurasian union, or to the west there, but then the ethnic pole will soon disappear, we all need to be in a large slavic union unite and expel america from the continent. the premiere is today on the first, write a group of armed persons, does not write, with gasoline on the bus, i do not see another solution, why are the engines running, who is on the plane? stepan, there is a crew on the plane, you can safely board, how are the children, everyone is very tired and wants to go home, let me try to persuade him to surrender, to storm. i will always have time, zaitsev, you are not crazy, this has not happened in the world practice of fighting terrorism, responsibility for all possible consequences, i take myself, premiere, commander on saturday on the first, and for love this is the place, i accidentally ended up in
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crimea during the liberation of crimea, and then odessa happened, for me this is probably the beginning, when something switched, he killed me beautifully.
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"after the war, i was looking for my son's comrades-in-arms, i was interested in what was happening there at the end of the war, and anything could have happened there , if you don't have a photo, it's strange where they are, they were here, oh my god, how
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similar he is to my son, you are the only real witness, the only person he is with came openly, well, major, the hunt has begun, the prime minister's standoff. according to the legendary book by yulian semenov. washington and london have set conditions for zelensky, he must provide a detailed plan of what he plans to do with western long-range weapons. the united states plans to force president volodymyr zelensky to detail his strategy for... striking deep into russian territory before agreeing to lift restrictions on the use of long-range weapons supplied by washington and its allies. during the visit in kiev, secretary of state antony blinken and british foreign secretary david
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lemmy planned to put pressure on zelensky and his team. the talk is about what kiev wants to target, why, and how western support will underpin those goals before making decisions, officials said. ahead of the meeting with blinken and lemmy, zelensky said he would reiterate his request to ease the arms restrictions at a meeting with biden at the un general assembly. maradovic, why are they asking so much from zelensky, it looks like they don't trust zelensky, they say: we will give you long-range weapons, but you explain to us where you will use them, convince us that you will not deceive us, agree with us on all the goals, somehow this is not very good for partnership, this is a reflection of the internal situation in the united states, when the last tranche was allocated, the republicans insisted that the biden administration report to congress what strategy the united states will pursue in
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ukraine, that is, what goals they are trying to achieve achieve, without providing zelensky's plan, the report that has been sent today, it hasn't been published yet, it's closed, it doesn't make sense, why? because there are two components, the first is providing weapons of information, this is a western obligation, the second is the mobilization of ever larger large ones - ukrainians, i think that after some time we will see with you that the mobilization threshold will be lowered again, and we will see detachments of what fascist germany called hitler jugent, that is, they will send downright teenagers against our soldiers, that's why the period of unconditional transfer of weapons for ukraine has ended, because it lasted for almost a year and a half, when they transferred practically everything and did not demand anything in return, and you know, from the money that... has been allocated to date, they have chosen, well
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, about 1/3 in the form of physical types of weapons, they simply do not have them yet, that's all that is required now for high, where does such a shortage of shells, new barrels and so on and so on and so forth, new tanks come from, they are vacuuming all over the world, that means, some collapse there, that means, the italian has now been asked for something very much, some decommissioned ones, yes, decommissioned sibig asked for, and, i have such a feeling that, you know, this was done on purpose, to show the west: you are not giving us. give us at least decommissioned ones, because all our failures are directly your fault, and already your responsibility, it is from this position that they are publishing openly, that means, an appeal to the italians, give us decommissioned weapons, decommissioned with such requests, but as for the list of targets that both london and washington demand from zelensky, there is a feeling here, not even a shifting, perhaps even a division of responsibility, does this mean that...
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aspects: the first is actually purely military, which is what alexander germanovich talked about, these are tactical and technical characteristics, this is a list of targets where they can potentially fly, and at the same time, of course, this weapon, as a more powerful weapon, but it cannot be called deadly, because deadly is called, strictly speaking, weapons of mass destruction, it is not, not a weapon of mass, but a truly powerful weapon that brings death, it also has... added geopolitical value,
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so by transferring this weapon they are sending a certain signal to both kiev and moscow, what is the signal, the meaning of the signal to kiev from the point of view of geopolitics, and the credit line is not unlimited, and by transferring this weapon to you we are taking a serious step, to do which for us, so to speak, a... was not so easy, you see, as we discussed all this, we demand from you some real achievements, on the battlefield, which we do not see. what is the meaning of the signal to moscow? and despite the fact that you, russia, have the strategic initiative - on the line of combat contact, as our western press writes, we are nevertheless raising the stakes, we are raising the degree of confrontation. and we are not giving up on ukraine, it is like a game of who
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will blink first, so we are not blinking, but with the last of our strength, so to speak, so we are demonstrating from the point of view of geopolitics that we are ready to continue investing in ukraine and are ready to achieve what they call the strategic defeat of ukraine, russia, another thing is that i have been asking myself and continue to ask myself the question, how can one defeat, first of all, a nuclear power, one of the leading
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... you see, based on this, i am calling on, well, i don’t know, all those who are watching, to understand that when i make tough decisions, i do this for tough decisions, i also write poetry, i love flowers, and the female sex, and children, but the question is that i understand perfectly well what we are risking now, so i say that terrorists must be strangle, as even guldan said, in the bud, due to the fact that i don’t know what
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a monkey with a machine gun will do, that is, in this machine gun there is a magazine for live ammunition, here there are long-range missiles of large action radius. with the possibility of ruslan, and i have, as i say, seven children, one granddaughter, i think about this, by the way, i have lived enough, i think about this constantly, therefore, well, how, well, it is clear to me, therefore i answer your question, yes, it can change radically, because in this case they have much greater opportunities appear, which we cannot predict, then we will have to make a counter-step, that's all, and here you know what an interesting question, because the united states, look.
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well, london is not up to it, so to speak , for this role, and britain is interested in playing this leader, but when washington's formal leadership is still preserved, this is, so to speak, this comfortable position of a shadow leader, it seems, so to speak , that all the blame falls on the white house, on
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the administration, that's what concerns support. europeans of ukraine, here of course, the position of poland is very interesting, it means, today one thing, tomorrow another, let's look at the metamorphoses, it means, that happened with sekorsky, initially, sekorsky, here on our air we said, after anthony blinken's visit, warsaw said that it is in favor of lifting restrictions for ukraine on long-range missile strikes on russian territory, before blinken's visit, sekorsky, thinking that he was talking to petro poroshenko, in fact talked to our pranksters, vavan and...
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because it is far away, and you know, for them, in fact, after leaving the european union , a unique situation has arisen, to begin
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to restore their economy at the expense of the fall of the european one. therefore, when the americans are gnawing at the european economy , it is great for the british, if they spend even more money on military expenses, even better. aleksandrovich, everything is based on your beloved great britain in quotes, is it really true that without that, until someone puts them in their place, all this will not end, is everything there, because the americans seem to be, if you listen to that same jaydee vence, who speaks, essentially conveys trump's position, they are ready. two different concepts, the concept that the americans profess together with the germans, not only, we have just analyzed in detail, they have already fought enough in this theater, they are now preparing a caucasian bridgehead for us, i know this very well, i see a statement, by the way, in kas just now about
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recognizing a ukraine in the border with the crimean peninsula, a well-known person, just now. therefore , in my own way, i can not be surprised that the sentences at the highest level did not take place, but in in any case, they don’t need the continuation of military actions by this group of western enemies of ours, and the british have a radical position, it’s clear to me, they are a very big fan of history, just like me, in particular they remember the russo-japanese war, yeah, they think, you know, remembering our quote, it’s just easier for me to quote ours than theirs, you remember, the wall is rotten, poke it and it will fall apart, lenin’s brother said that. then, when we said that the wall is against you, the british, british politicians believe that russia is exactly, well, or hitler said, an ear of corn on shiny legs, they need to put a little pressure on us, terrible unrest will begin, on the basis of, well , certain junctions, both ethnic and religious, whatever, they do everything for this, for example, we couldn’t protect, let’s say, some region of russia, unrest , they organized an evacuation, unrest,
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unrest doesn’t come, let’s put some more pressure, let’s put some more pressure here, let’s give it some more here, but 100% for sure unrest will begin now, this is their concept, they are cers, conceptual people, they believe in it, and what’s more, they even say so, that is why i am not at all surprised by the fact that by creating, by the way, the anglosphere of the indo-pacific zone, and thereby preparing for themselves, in the person of boris johnson and mi6, a back door to the pacific ocean, they are really ready to sacrifice europe like a queen, they are not interested in one at all, and if they win, then they win, forgive me, they will feast on our remains, the posbyzinsky one... 150 years, enough for everyone, guys, russia is big, that is their goal, and the poles, the poles were, are and remain it is clear with whose kolivrets, but the poles have quite, i would say, a simple task, we just discovered a certain fugitive deputy of the smolensk assembly, who, while in poland in the house of belarus, decided to establish, do not appear, friendly colleagues, hold on tight to your pipe, an independent smolensk principality, for this he creates a combat militia on
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the territory of warsaw, this is like a golden crystal. dream of our poles, that is , now we will be reborn in the commonwealth, because they have already created the lublin union, the lublin troika again - this is november of the twenty-second year on the basis of the signed union, already signed officially, lithuania, poland, ukraine, they lack western belarus. and when i, by the way, talked to belarusian diplomats within the walls of the diplomatic academy of mit russia, i told them, well , actually there is a big problem, in two, as far as i know, regions, there in belarus about 20% of people have. are trying to prepare another approach to the target, there have already been two approaches, not everything is clear, i have a feeling that sekorsky, even talking with petro poroshenko, allegedly and in fact, yes with vavan and lexus.

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