this is adult life, in vgik it also helps that each in the workshop has its own physical space, yes, there is its own, actually, workshop, there is an office, yes, ivan, do you also teach at vgik or do you, i work at the hse school of design, and this is of course a slightly different experience and yes, this is how geek experiences are transmitted to other platforms, roughly speaking, well, to be honest, i'm sad, because we have so many children coming after school and i just miss this kind of... on the shortness of some audience that i had when i i studied because there were guys who entered the institute at 35, and there were those who came after school, this kind of transfer of experience due to age, it also happens inside the workshop, in our higher education, after all , well, after school, many children need to be told in general what cinema is, why they came here and in general who they want to become , this is such a given, which is very interesting, but my students called the group, which means our workshop is a sect, at first i did it like that...

course, and sometimes it’s the other way around, all at once they are friends and say: you will probably all quarrel by the second year, that is, this is really a dynamic that happens in any faculty, it seems to me, such a small group, in gika really, well , how many there can be a maximum of 30, i don’t know if there are 30 people, i have about 40, but i have a combined workshop, a combined workshop of a director and an actor, after all, you are right that a small team is the best opportunity.

these first works of yours, even more interesting, no, yes, and you will tell us what the reaction was to i would like to start with nikolai and ask him in general how it happened that you have what can be considered a diploma work, despite the fact that you did not study directing at vgik, it was hooliganism, but i was incredibly lucky, because yuri nikolaevich orabov, to whom i brought my work, including television and film work, he somehow believed in me, took me by the hand and brought me to my debut, but he told me strictly, and he was the artistic director, "under

no circumstances say that you are studying at vgik and what are you saying, and at that moment i was studying at vgik, finishing moscow state university, at the same time, the filming also fell out, so it was just..." we filmed this period at night, and in the morning i ran to exams, and then to vgik, then to moscow state university, and it was a lot of fun, and it turned out that this is not a diploma, but a debut, which well, came out on screens and, thank god, is even still running, but it is average, it is a half-hour picture, a mystical thriller, i had already gotten into this genre by then, the script that i initially wrote for this debut, it was just in the spirit of torkovsky, all frozen, slowed down, there's water on the walls, everything's great, and then i came to the genre, i realized that this is mine, we have a small fragment, you can just see what happened, it's not true, they couldn't tell you that, yes, i'm here, now we'll be

together, one strength, one will, just don't need a rope, yes. isn't that such a painful rope? mom, when alexander was talking about how he wanted to be a photographer, everything finally clicked in my head, because we were just when we were entering in the early 2000s, on the first of september they showed us, including yours film, and i remember it very

fondly since then, because it really struck me then, and this is already the end of the nineties, if the film nikola ninety-first, by the way, ninety- first before august. no, not even that, the soviet union or the post-soviet union? it was before august, we finished filming right before, well, we handed over the film, that is, it is still a real soviet film. yes, for alexander, this is already the nineties and for vgik, of course , the nineties were not a very easy time, how to take a diploma there, speaking, there we collected the film piece by piece, the remains of famous operators who started shooting. music videos on film and advertising, just 15, 20 meters, it was all on the knee, there was no intent, such pure creativity, it's not for festivals, not for this, this is when friends got together, then it's not a diploma, the diploma scared me, but this is academic work, this is such

a film, it was necessary to shoot a dialogue-free film without words, that it was possible to shoot a former photographer who took pictures at his own funeral, therefore i... i think that we, well, many have on the course, who has these films are amazing because they are pure, pure from the producers, well, the producers are wonderful people, you can't do without them, but how do you do what you want, with whomever you want, whenever you want, without any money at all, my father brought me boiled potatoes to the set, i was incredibly ashamed, dad, why did you come, well, you need to eat, we remembered that we really need to eat, well , like, like... yes, you, well, you just have such a physical excitement from the desire to create, then this moment happens that we've all lost now, then you shoot on film, then you wait a week for this development, then they give you the first cut, and you go to the canteen,

and just look at these eight frames, and everything there is visible in black and white, well, like, and then you sit down at the screen, you are simply washed over by a wave, because what you were doing before. this, well, these shoots, they are memories, now everything is completely different, as a photographer, the fact that i was a photographer helped me a lot, because i appreciated the frame, then there was no serial shooting, this, you have to see, understand, press once, well , like, and the value of the shoot is from the frame, from the beginning to the stop, it was the stops that started right away, i was editing the first frame and, well, roughly speaking, you felt the time, you felt the composition, you rehearsed eight times and so on, something doesn’t work out, that is, such a reverent attitude to the original source of the film, each one, especially in a short film, well, when you remove one frame , everything falls apart, this is not the case now, but we will try to show love for the frame naturally, but still these are such games, it would be ideal if they gave

the first assignment to shoot in the first or second year on film in order to simply feel the value of a film frame, we have fragments from a photograph. too, so we can just make sure, thank you, yes.

ivan, how did it all work on the transition from video? to shoot such a documentary film and just my diploma we were a little naughty with alexey finych, because i had such a pseudo-documentary film, which we issued as a documentary by the commission, everyone took it at face value, gave it an a , then proudly said, so i also dumissi, no, i thought it was a documentary film, doggy fun, no, no, snow, documentary, actress natalia pavlenko starred in it, who starred in my other films, and no one recognized her from the commission, no one seemed to understand who she was, and they thought that this

was really a documentary about a woman who just got into such a situation, let's look at a fragment from the snow, this house, please film this barrack-type one, i lived in it when i came from saratov, after graduation, i was assigned a room here. here are mine windows, those on the edge, a small room 8 m, all the amenities are outside, water from a pump, we lived so well, "i got married here

by chance, lenochka, my daughter, was also born here from the maternity hospital, she was brought here, really, it's cool, yes, so, don't immediately think that this is really a production and documentary methods, everything is as khutseev taught, the documentary film method, an artistic image of a feature film is created." it was still the first day of filming and natalya nikolaevna is a very theatrical actress, i remember that she hated me, because it was the seventeenth take that we were filming, she still didn't understand what i needed from her, i said, listen, just calm down, slow down here, here it 's also some kind of process that seems like a very, very random documentary film shoot, just someone walking, filming a person there, in fact it's also a pretty well-considered process that is built up in a rather long way, in a geek, it's named after sergei gerasimov, with whose?

nikolai lebedev and ivan tverdovsky. thank you.

the name?

yeah, well i said ustra, it will be fine, it turns out, it's fine, he wants something else, yeah, not very happy, yeah, where are you running, it's time for us to go, parking is paid. i'll call you later, come on, how are you, uncle vasya, so first of all, if you came to work for me, i'm not uncle vasya, but vasily ivanovich, you have

a security guard's id. yeah, and what kind of facility is this? a normal facility, beautiful, air, silence and the dead with scythes standing around. and you said that in moscow there's work, well

, you know, moscow is a flexible concept, i... magadan itself is a stretch, but here it's fine, there are birds, all sorts of owls, attention here number one, the lads lie here, they feed us, bronze, gilding, solid ternet, in short, be sure to lock the gates, watch day and night so that corpses are not buried in other people's graves, from marble to nails everything is at our prices, monuments of antiquity, or maybe he was bringing it? oh, the main thing is not to leave the path after sunset, why? i'll steal the mertitsy.

daba, listen, yes, i'm already working, and the salary is 22. i can't say, he forbade it. well, i'll put a roof on you. you owe alexander adolfovich, tell me, i'll earn it, i'll send it. stop it,

well, what women, granny. wait, i 'll call you back. excuse me, and you? a new watchman, i 'm a security guard, and you're taking a shortcut through the cemetery, on the contrary, i'm going home, well, i'd be happy to live somewhere else, and how will you go now, will you have to? walk, excuse me, if anything, goodbye, wait, i'll still

be making my rounds, so we can do it together, it's more fun together, thank you, and what's the difference between a watchman and a security guard, is a watchman sleeping? and a security guard is vigilant, that the verbs seem similar, but the actions are different, then you're our first security guard, nice to meet you, all the previous ones were watchmen, let's go, aren't you scared here yourself, who should you be scared of, ghosts, ghosts? well, yes, ghosts don't need non-ferrous metals, but people are a different matter, so you protect the dead from the living, it turns out that way. and

if they steal, you'll notice, photographic memory, thank you, yes, i walked you further, but i can't, duty, and are you coming? also, i 'll make some chebureki here, tomorrow, i'll come, okay, i'll wait here, throne for 14.5 mm anti-tank rifles, based on the v20 twenty-millimeter cannon, in the written version fifty-kilogram at first.

what should i do with you? you flatter me , don't you? come on, eat. vladimir is leveling cartridges with armor-piercing incendiary, armor-piercing incendiary bullet of instant action. powerful cartridge with a bullet of mass.

ivanovich, he is here for you on the security platoon, vasily , what happened to the last guard, did he get a breakthrough? he ran away, didn't even come back for his clothes, everything was without security for 3 days, relatives managed to put up monuments on two graves, all the work.

koco, climbed over the fence, and what is this? here, sedates, when they were born, died, to them relatives come, i don't understand, well

they leave a lyumka, and i zapovednik souls with respect, almost every day comes to this. well, what should i do, i live nearby, look for another cemetery, half an hour, so that on the way back from the month he stopped by, the boss, every second one for your health, young man, the guard, my grishka, where, what grishka, my husband. they rinse glasses here, i saw him through the fence, husband, yes, well come here, let me in, now i

'll call him, better i myself, i'll quickly, open, and, after all, he'll get drunk, it's embarrassing in front of people. "god bless you, knock-knock, i 'm checking in, i came, i saw my wife, of course, i come here every day, i visit, do you have little time at home, you're angry, she died 3 years ago, she lies here, and who was that, who?" i mean, but she left without flowers, she threw them over the fence, her niece picked up the jackdaw, do you sympathize, commander, where is he selling, cuckoo,

where is the bouquet? what kind of ones did they charge you for 50, what are you, bouquets from the cemetery? and i brought your flowers here, did you know my brother or something? no, i don't, i

keep an eye on order here, and you are like over the fence climbed over the fence, or something, close the gate behind you. convince these! hey, bastard, you raised a club against my mother, i 'll rip your head off for your mother, you know what i'll do to you for your mother, you'll rip your head off, well , yes, very...

you're stealing flowers from your brother's grave, so, quietly, quietly, that's not respect for the dead, you understand, and how do you treat the dead, excuse me, i didn't know that this was your brother's grave, here you are, i'll tell him about the pomo, he won't check. yes, i'm not talking about kostya, i

'm asking you in general, how do you treat the dead? respectfully, well then, so that tomorrow everyone there were a bunch of flowers on the grave for the boys, got it? yeah, and i'll come and check, and if i find out again that he was running over, i'll bury him, you'll choose the grave yourself, in that sense, i'm a complete democrat. it's nice here, soulful, well done, so keep working, yeah, no thanks, i don't need it, keep an eye on your brother's grave, yeah, and give the guy the gun, let's go.

so, someone's wandering around here at night, you're not afraid, that's the job, and you, well, you know who it is, well, i'll catch him. we get acquainted, but why do you need to catch him? and why would he run around here? well, it's night,

a cemetery, and you're alone, that's it, you've become scared, oh, come on! well, ir, we both passed the cemetery, now i, as an honest man, must switch to you on a first-name basis, okay, let's be on first-name terms, can i walk you home , it's night after all, no, don't leave your post. i'll wait for you!

i see, why are you crying, you don't volunteer, who taught you that, brother, he's already volunteered five times, your brother is an idiot, i know,

they climbed over the fence at the cemetery, yes, through a hole. come on, go, go, i said go, i'll throw a pine cone at you now, scream if anything happens. follow me.

next time i dig, you'll choose the grave yourself,

eh! don't show it to me, the cemetery is closed, put the dog away, you're not greeting me kindly, meat and a worm are also meat, it's not plant tissue, but animal tissue, any animal tissue is so to speak meat, if it's muscle tissue, it 's a moving worm or mollusk, then the worm has meat, then it's meat, it's just more tender, and why are you limping, something is more tender than a bird, a bird...