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kolenika, relyusnya, here you are, stop, salula, yes!
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move around, i'll find you, uncle vasya, come on, breathe, breathe!
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is that you?
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romochka, pick up two more chenariks here, as you say, thank you, and to you too, everything is correct, we counted, but do you want me to spread them out here everywhere, what?
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wait, let me help you, it's not hard for you, you're limping all the time, galya, let's be informal, come on, kolya, galya, yes. you know, i'll help you, well, yes, help me, and it's my birthday, dear grandma, i met a girl, she's beautiful, with a moscow residence permit, i'm joking, she laughs, na
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you in your youth it seems, and we will pay off all the debts and build a new house, don't worry. uncle vasya has changed a lot, he keeps asking to go to some kind of sanatorium, and in general a lot has changed here, now i'm in charge.
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greetings to you, friends, on the air of the podcast chronicle of the end of times and i am evgeny dodolev. today i will tell you about the most colossal failure of the armed forces of the ussr during perestroika. the so-called matthias rust case. matthias rust is an eighteen-year-old german pilot who was honored on border guard day, this is very important, on the day border guard, to cross the border of the soviet union in his amateur sports plane, fly halfway across the european part of the country and land on red square. well, to be precise, he couldn't land directly on red square. because it was very crowded, it was a holiday, i repeat, border guard day, may 28 , 1987, he made three approaches, turned between the historical museum, the historical museum building and the moscow hotel building, then landed on moskvaretsky bridge, coasted to st. basil's cathedral
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blessed and went to red square, border guard day, i want to remind you again, these were border guards in the soviet union bylitoy.
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and it seemed to me that everyone was also looking with great sympathy, so kindly at this young man, he was 18 years old when he landed, literally a few days later he turned 18. very young, like a schoolboy with a thin neck in barrels, he spoke smoothly, apologized, said that he - it never occurred to him that red square had such significance for the soviet people, well yes, by the way, it was from him that i learned that it turned out that smoking was prohibited on red square at that time, he said that i learned that red square is such a sacred place, and even by law you can't smoke. on red square, i remember that many of those present looked at each other, because it's not like we were smoking on red square, it
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's just that no one thought about it, so he landed on red square, there were a lot of people there, it was a fine holiday, by the way, he was a witness to this landing and - young sergei minaev, who later became a famous writer and blogger, he was 12 years old, he was with his parents on red square and recalled this story, there turned out to be several film crews, for some reason, well, you know, it's the same story as september 11 in the united states, there at the moment of the first plane crashing into the skyscrapers it turned out that it was filmed competently from several points, as if they were waiting, here too there were four film crews who were filming there, well, like a festive crowd, and naturally, when a sports plane landed with a badge. fat man, here is this bomb with three stabilizers, here climbed out of the cabin,
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a young man in a red jumpsuit, and for an hour he gave autographs and talked to the crowd, i repeat, the soviet union, here are those who remember, red square, you can't smoke on red square, here the plane lands, and for an hour the man talks to the crowd, until specially trained people showed up, no smiles, all... in suits very politely they didn't take him away, he talked to fans, who immediately became his fans there formed, with the help of an interpreter, there was a boy, as i was told, 16 years old, who spoke english, and he was like an interpreter for him, when i tried to communicate with matthias during the trial, he said that he did not speak english, very politely, well, in principle , there was access, the openness was amazing, because any journalist could ask questions to him and his family, the family came to
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the trial, the parents, a slightly frightened blonde, with such a mother, and the younger brother, such a straight-up blond beast, just like on the nazi posters, absolutely all white, with thin features, they all looked a little scared, but i'm getting ahead of myself, and so... border guard day, a scandal, we, at least i'll repeat about the moscow journalists, didn't understand the scale of the scandal , it seemed to us that well, this is just so cool, peace, friendship, chewing gum, a german arrived, a german plane arrived on red square, it was clear that in general everything bursting at the seams, it became clear that here is the invincible legendary, as the song from the taigido of the british seas was sung, the red army is the strongest of all. here it turns out that the red army let through just an amateur plane with an inexperienced pilot, well, how inexperienced,
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officially he had only 50 hours of training flight, only 50 hours is not much to make such a daring flight, but then it turned out many years later that he went to another school, in addition to this hamburg flight school, where he officially studied 50 hours, he is not clear how much did he study at another school. and it is still unclear who paid for this training then, because, by the way, this was even heard at the trial, he himself told, i remember, he had a long speech there, about an hour, about nothing, for everything good, against everything bad, but he said in particular that training at the flight school of the federal republic of germany is very expensive, by the way, there is also a lot of incomprehensible stuff about money, i will run ahead, i will say that when he disappeared from ... radar, i will explain what you are talking about, just such a detail about money, he
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disappeared from radar because he switched off all the instruments, went to another flight level, dropped to 600 m, and even lower, because he was flying from helsinki, officially to stockholm, but he turned around, abruptly changed the flight level and the route flew towards moscow, he crossed the border in the area of ​​kohtla järve, this is estonian. they found a huge oil slick, from which they concluded that the plane crashed and for some time until the evening, until 7:00 p.m., when he landed in moscow, they believed that matyas rust had died, that the plane had crashed, there are two versions here, the first is that he himself dropped one of the tanks into the water so that
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this oil stain would form, the second version is that the people who assisted him helped, because this, of course, was a scam... he returned to west germany, they wrote out this fine, who paid this fine, again it is unclear, there are no ends, by the way, there are no ends, one more detail is also about money, to finish with this, his plane is a cessna - this is a french sports plane, very popular, especially for beginners pilots, it has very high
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wings, so it has an excellent view, so this plane - it was confiscated by the authorities, i don't know. by whom, uh, border guards, the state security committee, well , by whom, it, in general, landed on red square and it ended up somewhere in some warehouse, i don't know, it somehow ended up with a japanese businessman who bought it, well, from an investment point of view, that is, he bought it in the presumption that someday - this artifact will go up in price and maybe be more expensive than it somehow drive, in 2007, i think, he... sold it to the germans for some museum, but how did a japanese businessman end up with this trophy, the plane that landed on red square, you won't find this information anywhere, i looked, i didn't find it, that is, there's a lot of murky dark stuff there, because i'll repeat myself again, it was the end of times, the country was falling apart, it was bursting at the seams,
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corruption was off the charts, that is , the military was selling secrets and equipment, so... there was exactly the same kind of very, very unclear story with the plane, in general with mateus russny had a lot of incomprehensible things to say about how an eighteen-year-old boy managed to equip this plane like this, because he removed all the seats, the plane, by the way, was not his property, it was rented, installed fuel tanks there, which allowed him to warm up before the flight on may 28, 1987. in mid-may, he flew from hamburg to iceland with two overnight stays, he flew there, he stopped on the faroe islands on the falkland islands. according to him, he flew to iceland to get his fill of the spirit of the meeting gorbachev and reagan, who were negotiating there, didn't really agree on anything.
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for some reason, he really wanted to somehow get into this spirit and in general , according to his version, he flew to moscow in order to talk to gorbachev, to talk to mikhail sergeyevich with a peace mission, he wanted, somehow he didn't know that may 28 is not just border guard day, but it is also the day of gorbachev's visit to the federal republic of germany, gorbachev was not in the kremlin, although in one of the sources i read, well, such funny, but not true , that when matejas russ landed on red square, gorbachev asked the minister of defense what was going on, but apparently those people who wrote this scenario, they assumed that everyone lives in the kremlin, the general secretary, the entire central committee, all the ministers, they are hanging out together somewhere in the kremlin, so they can find out, supposedly gorbachev asked what was going on outside our window, the then minister of defense sokolov, he
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said that they were filming a movie, very much so i doubt it. he forgot this map, as general ivashov says, in the office of the general secretary, he was not yet the president of the soviet union, he
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was the general secretary of the communist party of the ussr, mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev, then sokolov sent ivashov for this map, and mikhail sergeyevich said, what map to know, i don’t know anything, i haven’t seen any map at all, and supposedly this map was found at matiyas rust’s, that’s it. it’s just that, well, i don’t know, i have this from that series, i bought it for what i sold it for, i’m just telling you what i heard, no, no, no, we didn't agree on that, we agreed that you would be on first-name terms with me, you would be happy with me, you want to marry me, today yes, maybe i should take other suspects into development, the ones komulov pointed out, you're laughing, get to work, comrade major, come on, come on, stop chatting ahead of yours, yeah? what are they leading people through the yard, let's go, tell me what's bothering you, i think, work, yes vitashvili will end up in prison today, dad is there, ninel, the premiere
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of the multi-part film is on monday, on the first, in the new season, on the first, let running awkwardly, pedestrians through puddles, and water on the asphalt like a river, and not me... but passers-by on this day do not seem to, why am i so cheerful, i play, i play the accordion, the accordion in plain sight, in plain sight, have settled down, unfortunately, birthday, birthday, only once a year, unfortunately, birthday, only once a year. choir: premiere of the multi-part film from monday on the first. this is a podcast of the chronicle
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of the end of times and i, its host evgeny dodolev. today i will tell you about the case of mathias rust. with my own eyes i saw photographs of mathias rust in helsinki, when he gets into this cessna of his. he's there in jeans and a shirt. shirt and jeans turned out to be in this jumpsuit, in fact, of course, he was changing clothes, and the fact that he landed after 6 hours of flight with
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almost full tanks, and he flew 6.5 hours instead of three 3 and a half, shows that he was landing, that he was landing on the territory of the soviet union, where he changed clothes, refueled, by the way, they drew a fat man, that is, this round bomb with three stabilizers on the tail of his cessna, because you can see it in the filming from helsinki, that there is no such drawing, there is just a tricolor, yellow-black-red flag of the federal republic of germany on the tail and a number, that's all, there is no drawing there, so yes, he was landing and refueling. so, i repeat once again, in the kohtlo-jarva area he crossed the soviet border, and he was immediately seen, he was immediately seen, but no measures were taken, why are there
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two factors here, it seems to me, in the first eighty-third year there was a huge disaster, when our air defense shot down a south korean boeing in the far east, by the way, there too this is a separate story, because supposedly hundreds of people died there, but i will not delve into this, the main thing is that bems was excellent, our ideological opponents knew how to play in the information war, and there was a huge scandal, adjustments were made to the chicago convention, according to which all signatories, the soviet union quickly signed it all, do not have the right to shoot down civilian aircraft.
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at the trial, i remember, matyos himself said that he once had, so to speak, contact with the air force of the soviet union, that he saw fighter that flew around it and disappeared, and as matyas himself said, that in the federal republic of germany, if a military plane wants to intercept a civilian one, it makes a sharp horizontal turn and flies close at the same flight level, and after that the pilot of the civilian plane must turn around and stand in the tail of the military plane, and the military one, as a sign of confirmation that yes, that he was understood correctly, must either shake his wings or blink twice, and he says that since the soviet pilot did not do this did, then he considered that the road with... was clear
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and he could fly further, by the way, there was one detail, during his open interrogation, i don’t know what happened during closed interrogations, of course, but in court they asked him, weren’t you afraid that you would be shot down, that they would simply launch a missile, and he said, well, i was wearing a helmet, he said, of course it was trolling, matiz was just making fun, just trolling lawyers, judges, and journalists, but there really was such an episode that... one of the pilots saw this unidentified aircraft and said that this is an aircraft with some kind of drawing, no, not with a drawing of a bomb, but it had a stripe on the fuselage, by the way, if there had been a drawing of a bomb, he probably would have paid attention to it, but the nuance is that the matelet flew as slowly as possible, that is, the minimum cruising speed was and very low, that
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is, it ... flew mainly at an altitude of 600 m, but often descended to an altitude of 300 and 100 m, as he himself explained, not in order to hide from air defense, but because there was no processing it sestno, ice on the canopy on the wings - at a high altitude he landed, and in order for this ice to melt, he went lower according to his version, in fact, he very skillfully got away from ...
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mattils threw out foil, cut foil, threw it out of the cabin in order to hide from the radar. he himself, he was asked this question in court, he himself said that he did not throw anything out of the cabin and - did not make any arrangements, he changed clothes, that is, right in the flight in the cockpit, although in general, well, i am ready to admit that he could have done this, but just once again, look at this jumpsuit. everything will become clear to you, you can't pack one like that into jeans, besides, it also managed to fly over the site of military exercises, air defense and aviation military exercises, and military attachés from many western countries were present at these exercises, including the military attaché of the federal republic of germany, and these military attachés launched balloons,
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well, those metal ones... well, which really distract attention, they are defined as some kind of flying objects, also a bit of a very strange story, especially, that during the flight over this zone he was assigned, you know, there is a code friend or foe, as they say, an inexperienced lieutenant mistakenly assigned to all the aircraft that were in the sky at that time in this sector the value.
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they didn’t ask, but as if in the army they don’t ask, of course, they ordered, he was so confused by this that he said that he would not do it without a written order, well , because, well, this is very strange, from what article, routine work on... has been carried out, that ’s why he has to turn it off, in 5 minutes, in 5 minutes, he had this written order, this is also a very strange story, in 1987 , the systematic destruction of the armed forces of the soviet union began, in particular, air defense , air defense units were scattered between ground units and so on, that is, there was such a lack of coordination, in short, in order to do something... vote, if earlier, before 1987, it took 2-3 minutes, well , that is, some kind of target appeared, it was necessary to make a decision: shoot down, not we shoot down, we lead, we don’t lead, now it took at least 15-20 minutes, that is, it
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flew a significant part of its route completely invisible to anyone, two or three times different pilots saw it, they reported all their reports were simply ignored, well , they said: like forget it all, everything is fine, it’s probably there, well, i don’t know, someone and something, flying somewhere. a couple of times on radars, it was identified from esnu as a tightly flying flock of some kind of, i don’t know, karelian geese or some kind of birds. anyway case according to official documents. then he flew into the territory of the moscow district, passed through the so-called etagere.
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it was the rossiya hotel, such a hotel it was, the largest in europe, and he knew the hotel because he lived there , an eighteen-year-old boy came to moscow, lived practically on the red square and i personally have no doubt that he
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was simply walking with a notebook, measuring in steps, how much from here to here and estimating - that is, it was not a spontaneous decision to take and fly, he was preparing, and they were preparing him and he was getting ready. so, as i already said , he couldn't land directly on red square because it was very crowded, well, that is, onlookers saw that the plane was flying at a very low altitude, but you never know, maybe there, i don't know, now there will be mir trudmai throwing some confetti, because it was clear that he couldn't land directly on this cobblestone, he landed on the moskvaretsky bridge, there is also a trolleybus...
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the movement of passenger cars, simply freeing up this landing strip. the strangest story, no neither this officer nor the people who gave the order to remove the trolleybus wires were questioned, this was not mentioned in court, it is not in any of the case materials, not even in the materials of the so-called horde, the operational-search case, although a thorough job was done there. they questioned him there, among other things, they didn’t question him, well , there was espionage work in the federal republic of germany, that is, they were interested in his family, they found out that his father sold sports planes in his childhood, that
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is, the boy knew very well, he had been to there at the training grounds, at the sites, at the airports, that is, he was very interested in this, and was of course a very experienced pilot, moreover, of course, his... this throw to iceland at such a distance, it was just a pre-flight training, it is clear that he did not fly there to be saturated with this or that spirit, but... he was just training, and as i already said, two people were imprisoned for missing the mother from serust, that is, this plane, but the repressions that crashed after that, in the opinion of one overseas explorer, a big i read the article, and he compares gorbachev's repressions that followed this scandal with stalin's repressions, if we are talking about armed forces of cleansing in the upper echelons
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of the generals, two marshals were fired, marshal sokolov, the minister of defense and the commander of the air defense, three hundred generals lost their jobs, that is, in terms of the number of military leaders fired by gorbachev, this cannot be compared with the number of military leaders fired or shot during stalin's. yes, there were such repressions that people simply they shot, gorbachev didn't have such a task here, his task was simply to remove inconvenient resisters - to the collapse of the armed forces, officers and generals. in general, it must be said that mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev is now portrayed by many as such a simpleton, naive, well, such an assistant tractor driver, who carried the soviet social elevator to the very top, he became the head of the largest state in the world , so. naive, stupid good-natured, who did not
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understand what he was doing, when i look at the photo there, where he is with yevgeny mironov, who played gorbachev in the play gorbachev, well, two such sunny, smiling people, that very meeting between gorbachev and reagan in reykjavik, which i mentioned at the very beginning, it did not lead to the results that the americans were striving for, the americans wanted. there was an agreement on medium-range missiles, so that we would destroy our missiles, well , that is, it means that they were also ready to destroy there, well, conventionally speaking, 100 missiles, but we had to destroy 2,000 missiles, that is, in fact, well, just like that to do such bloodshed, they did not agree then, because there was very strong resistance from the soviet generals, all these soviet...
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to put to the knife, be it tanks, missiles or planes, is unacceptable, and this is exactly what they expected from gorbachev, they expected the destruction of simply military potential, and he really wanted these publications, these smiles, these techniques, and many believe that this operation with the flight of matyas rust, it was developed by western intelligence services. that's why he flew along the railway tracks and never
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got to those places where he could have been intercepted, not only me, but also many of my colleagues who were specifically involved in this issue, they come to the conclusion that it was a joint operation of our western intelligence services, because, well, you know, it's only in the movies, there are their spies there, our intelligence officers, that... if this is a confrontation, very often intelligence services are coordinated and cooperate with each other, so i think that this operation was developed jointly, and that kryuchkov, the then head of the kgb, was simply helping mikhail gorbachev to get rid of the military, what did he actually manage to do, about those military who resisted gorbachev's reforms. mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev, i will simply say once again,
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he is not such a simpleton as many people think, and as he is portrayed, such a simpleton who simply does not understand anything. i want to give you just one example, statistics, in 5 years from thirty-four to thirty- ninth, stalin replaced 77% of the central committee of the cpsu, that is, he removed 77% of the undesirables. gorbachev, who is often presented as anti-stalin, removed 85% in a year. mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev was an experienced seasoned predator in this political field, knew perfectly well what he was doing. i must say that matyas rust, received a term of only 4 years at the trial that i attended, i will note that a year before that, one french pilot, an amateur, much more experienced, not an eighteen-year-old boy, in the city of paris, he flew under a bridge, well, also for the sake of courage and for the sake of likes and publications, he
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received 12 years for this 12 years for this flight, matyas, rust, who landed on red square, border guard day, served less than a year, then there is a total of what he spent under investigation, he sat for 14 months, that is, he was given a term of 4 years, and after 10 months, he was released, and this scandal allowed mikhail sergeyevich gorbachev to crush the opposition, in fact, the end of times came for the soviet union, i was present at this trial then, i repeat, as a special correspondent for the magazine. my material was not published then, this is the first, last, only material that i was unable to publish in this publication in that position, i was a year earlier in eight the sixth received the title of the best journalist of the soviet union, from the union of journalists of the ussr, and i was like, well, as a journalist should
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be, a little stupid, all on show, opened the doors with my foot and read that each of my lines, each paragraph is a gift, i ...
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since this is an accident, two coincidences, three systems, in the case of mateos rust, there are by no means three, at least a dozen of such very strange coincidences of chance. this is a podcast of the chronicle of the end of times, and i, evgeny dodolev, told you about the scandalous case of 1987, the case of mateos rust. all issues of the podcast chronicle the end of time can be viewed on the website of the first channel 1tv. hello, this is the psyche podcast, and we continue to work as your navigator on
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the difficult roads of life. our heroine anastasia does not know how to enjoy work and whether it is possible to enjoy it at all. nastya, today. together with psychologist renata bakhteeva, we will try to look at your situation from the outside to look for that very destination in which there is happiness and work and pleasure and money. so, you are 23 years old. yes, that's right. do you work? yes. and you can't stand your job. yes. did you go to work in your specialty? no. i don't like the specialty i got. so i went to look for something in another field that i might like. that's it.

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