the probability that if i'm really trying to teach you, and what does it mean that i 'm trying to teach you? you ask me questions, you don't understand, i come up with some bypasses, yes, in order to convey to you, yes , some workarounds, that is, i start to work with my knowledge somehow seriously in order to put it into you, after all, well, between 10% and 90, the difference is very big, in the family, at school there is a place where a child... can teach, some time ago, i will not retell the family situation, well, in short, a thirteen-year-old the boy tried to tell us with his mother the content of the game he was playing, we were wildly bored, so parents don't really like to listen, parents don't really like, teachers don't really like, and where does a child who knows a lot, he reads - sometimes more than an adult, i think, i don't know about your data, but from the feeling, a schoolchild reads well, about...

not at all in a family situation, you understand, he is interested in talking not with his mother, who explains to him there, i don't know, some rules, with his mother, who says that what she feels how she relates to the situation, why she is there, i don’t know, doing this and not that, that is, mom as a living person, not mom as a set of rules, but mom as a living person, and mom often doesn’t have the strength or time for..., and

he goes where he finds it, where? well, in computer communication, for example, and can she help answer this very important question, who am i? well, look, there is quick success there, which doesn’t happen at school, yes, there is a quick response, there is feedback, what is called, smart feedback, therefore he he becomes, the person who controls, all the time must watch what... comes out of his control, yes, in a computer game it's all there, that's why it's terribly attractive, really smeared with honey, in a family situation, did his hands, washed his ears, so there's this same thing he went to kindergarten for his sister, boy, where have you gone, who's my daddy, his name is yug, oh, beautiful, we're looking for, kipina, what's there to look for, now...

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such a concept as parental involvement, and this concerns the school, this is what we have really researched, so - well , since the sixties it has been shown that the higher the involvement of parents in the child's school affairs, the higher his success, there are people who invest in this, there are people who, as my friend says, give outsourcing development of the child's education, that is, well, like at school there i don't know tutors and so on, but city parents are very much involved in organizing their educational space, well yes, they will come and check the teacher 10 times, but still it is... a little aside from the question of how to help a child, especially a teenager, to understand the most important thing, who he is, here in what place of family communication, school, where this happens, yes it happens everywhere, it happens on the street, it happens at home, it happens in conversation there, i don’t know, on the phone, in these

sms messages, it happens everywhere, it happens all the time, just where he feels that they are telling him about there, i don’t know, about pierre bezukhov, and not about him, he ... it happens, as they say, and he distances himself from this, and he moves away from this, it’s called the alienation of schools, 150 years ago they started talking about this not 150, well, let’s say, 70-80 years ago they definitely started talking about this, but what we want is to create a place where a child will feel good, where he will develop, we we owe him a rich life, just where he will be, i don’t know, watching movies, playing computer games, talking with his parents, there can’t be some figure who will solve this. problem, so you have some kind of outline, so to speak, pedagogical, yes, well, you can’t do everything according to this model, yes, they too, they also have the right, well, it’s like variety in food, after all, there is sweet, there is bitter, well, after all, you can just watch a cartoon, or

you can watch a cartoon and discuss what the parent went through, what the teacher went through, what the child survived, i would say that yes, all this can be done, but i would still like to do it with in response to... the child's submission, you asked me, and i am ready to answer you, this readiness, there is such an english word, it is somehow poorly translated into russian with a different meaning, more precisely responsiveness - this is from the word answer, yes, that is, readiness to answer, this responsiveness, it is very, it is now discussed everywhere as the way in which parents should interact with children, and why does the child ask all the time, and not on the contrary, why shouldn't a parent or a teacher watch? and how about you not with the purpose of checking whether you watched the film correctly or whether you read fathers and sons correctly, with the purpose of, well, as with the same interlocutor equally, look, i would say so, it's great if the teacher asks: and how about you, but if he doesn't answer her at that moment, there's no need to call him to the board,

this is what i'm talking about, i'm saying that he needs to be presented with the possibility of communication, but to climb to him with this communication with dirty feet, you understand, it's not worth it, it seems to me, not of course. well, i just want to brag a little bit about my experience, we have a project at school, where we watch cartoons with elementary school children, even preschoolers, and discuss them. when we started asking these little ones what they saw, what the cartoon was about, i learned absolutely unexpected things. for example, we watch carlson. i was sure that it was a funny children's cartoon. they say it's a tragedy. of course, carlson doesn't exist. then there are two options. i was amazed myself. the first option is that carlson is the baby's imaginary ideal father. uh-huh. because the real father is cold, uncommunicative, and he, the kid, imagined such a father, the second one is even cooler, the main motive, believe these little ones, the main motive of the kid is the fear of old age, he is afraid of old age,

loneliness, somewhere there, and carlson is a projection of the kid's fear of his old age, and he didn't even think about this at all. well, because they were not asked in the format, answer, as you understood, list the main characters, let's think together, i'm honestly telling you, i'm interested, look, here... i agree, that's why, i really like this history, and this is a wonderful, as if experience, this is wonderful, but still, in this - here i am such an adult, i took, they would not even think about who carlson is, and i asked them a question, and i drew them into this conversation, that is, here, after all, this primacy of an adult is also present, somehow it seems to me, that's why let's put a tick here two words. it means - in an industrial society , a person must prepare for a profession, and then implement this profession all his life,

where he prepares - this is childhood, where he implements - this is adulthood, which means that the one who has implemented says: you go and become a teacher, teachers are always needed, no matter what happens there and so on and so forth, that is, he imposes some trajectories, what is happening today, economic instability, i don’t know there, there are all sorts of crises, this is transitivity, a smart word and so on. all this leads to the fact that it is impossible to divide life into preparation and implementation, we are always preparing and implementing, therefore the division into an adult and a child is invalid, therefore the dominance of an adult, suggestions from an adult and so on, this is a good thing, but it is still a counter process, that is, there was such a smart person, he wrote a book called the disappearance of childhood, that's what i 'm talking about now, if an adult's child cannot, as if they cannot, well, there is no dividing feature. then we are all people and we all talk with the presentation of an adult with the presentation

of a child, well, some kind of good world, where we are all people, regardless of whether we are adults or not adults, the word child still cuts me off, i try not to use it myself, i try to use schoolchildren, younger colleagues studying, just like being brought up, it’s a bad word, but in general where is this line between feeling like a child and... i’m not a child, not an adult, not tall, not thin, no, i’m just me, this

assertion of my self, it, in fact, appears in the modern world, we see it in all sorts of strange figures there, well, such as, as they say, trainers, yes, some steve jobs, a neutral figure, since he’s been gone for a long time, well, he couldn’t study, it's just not... it's very tough, well again industrial society, it needs to be quickly prepared to be released into the world, yes, released into this very

labor market, it will provide for itself there, it needs to be quickly separated, if you like, well great, but today there is no need for this, today it can do nothing for a long, long time, then come up with some one idea, for example, to get rich or not to get rich, of course, yes, far from everyone who could not study, steve jobs and so on, well and far from wealth, the only criterion. it's not the best period, we're going through it, and i don't see, frankly speaking, any prospect that everyone will recover now, i'm not talking in a broad sense about any specific circumstances, in a broad sense, precisely because being equal to yourself is painful, difficult and never works out, therefore... there will always be a reason to suffer, well, suffering is normal,

by the way, it seems to me that a schoolchild should not only have fun and be happy, he should feel bad too, this is normal, normal human life, which means, for some time back, doctors, so, after the second world war, life expectancy increased by one and a half times due to antibiotics, people began to live longer and doctors began to say that such a... continuation of life in suffering, it is not, the word well-being appeared, now it is even included in economic indicators, because it is associated with economic growth, and today we are talking about school. we do not need such high academic achievements, but the topic is very difficult, well, here i am ready to argue, i have there were disputes with colleagues, especially related to

additional education, because in the view of an additional education teacher, there is a shaved one... such, well, roughly speaking, an animator, the child should have fun, the child should be happy, win competitions and rejoice, i say, no, well, at least my position personally, i am unfortunately not a scientist, that the child should experience negative emotions, well, it seems to me, it is normal to experience, including and look, if the child is experiencing something, yes, then there is he discovers for himself, he experiences emotion and so on, then this is one story, and if we treat him as an object, get up, go, got up, went out, are free, these formulations are fantastic, then this is another story, he, he is the subject of some experiences, relationships and so on, we keep this in our heads, or is it for us one flew on the cuckoo's nest, as they say,

we are reminded of the podcast schrödinger's cat, and today we are talking about modern childhood, and will i...

there is a word ludus - it's a game, so here we are in a good way we want him to constantly try himself in new circumstances, try to convince you who carlson is and so on, after all you gave him the opportunity to speak out, yes you gave him space to say, he may not have thought about carlos until you asked him, well here he turned around, he is in a good mood after that, on the one hand, on

the other hand the demands of this very school, school as a norm, as an obligation and so on, and this is, well this is the reality of today's life, you mentioned the word, i i will explain for the listeners: the sacred word, this word in the state, i pronounce it in court, these are federal state educational standards, roughly speaking, what the state wants at the exit from school, they, in fact , seem very progressive, they are absolutely adequate, it's just a question of how feasible it is, here's how to be the heads of teachers and the heads of parents often, what?

he solves problems that have a solution, he answers questions that already have answers, he writes term papers or whatever he does there, which get a tick put in a box. and i even felt sorry and scared for these people, well, how hard you try, you work, you don't sleep at night, nobody needs your result. two questions in

what you said, look, there is a theme of the game, the game is a word, i'm actually talking about a trial, that is, you need to try to do something, you need to try to find non-standard results, this is one story, productive, responsible actions and readiness from...

life is being cancelled little by little, then these are people with their own view, i wonder what they they think about carlson, i'm interested in what they do, what they kind of see in this world, i don't mean that he taught me, i now know who carlson is, not in that sense, but it turns out there is another view, this diversity of the world he reveals to me is different than, so to speak , built according to ranking as a school program, in that sense wealth.

in that sense, to imagine that a generation carries some other values, i don't know such data, i would say carefully, so i would rather say that they are more likely continue, but tolerance for diversity, this is what i would, this is what i would pay attention to, this is what i notice intuitively, and indeed, well, tolerance, the willingness to react calmly when a person is different, fortunately in moscow, well and in all.

a rigid framework, this has a right to exist, and this, this diversity, this sensitivity to ambiguity, i am careful here, i am afraid to refer to something precise, but it seems to me that this is so, it is clear that this needs to be measured, this is the main thing is very difficult to measure, because that values ​​are often measured, is the value of family important to you, well of course she writes that it is important, what else can you learn from children, it seems to me that we learn little from children. no, we need to learn, the question is, or do we want to learn about them, and this is not connected, this is different, i want to get to know him, this is

one story, i want to learn from him and now drive a car like him, this is another story, but are two different stories, well, how to get to know each other, i must understand how you are different from me, what do you have, what i don't have, well, i heard something from you that wasn't obvious to me, for example, i... didn't think about this topic, let's say, this, this option, i didn't see this picture in this light, well, it seems to me, the recognition that a child can transmit something to an adult, this is, among other things, a form of seeing this child, who are you, i am computer games, well, okay, play, play your nonsense, a very difficult thing, i'm even trying to learn some words, to learn, the mod school teachers tried to teach me very it's difficult, i'm confused, and how to manage it, is it some kind of hell there? but i see it, if i admit that you can do something that i can't, and i'm interested in it, i saw you, i 'm starting to get to know you, look, 70 years

ago...

these are people who will have a past, i didn't think about the fact that schoolchildren are people who will have a past, well, a fifth-grader taught me, well, unfortunately, we need to finish, thank you very much, thank you very much to those who watched and listened to us, may the power of childhood be with you, thank you, everyone watch the podcast episodes of schrödinger's cat on the channel one website. hello, this is the ask surkova lab podcast, today my guests are evgeniya gin and petr pavel surkov, tris specialists. today we have a painful topic, it worries every parent. what is a phone?

what is the harm and benefit always, it is important to weigh what is more in a particular situation, and of course there is a benefit from a phone, however, when we talk about small children, up to adolescence, maybe a little older, you and i know that children, they at least they look like adults at 10 years old, only smaller, but from the point of view of the maturation of their brain, thinking, volitional functions, they are not like that yet, they are much worse at managing all this, and the phone is a crazy temptation.

and if we give it, here it is always in the pocket, then the child must be just a superman to oppose this, what kind of relationship do you have, what kind of substitution, also a gadget, and also a gadget, yes, and he has had it for a very long time, and here, of course, the question of forming habits, i generally really like the topic of habits, habits of thinking, habits of behavior, yes, because they really help to build our life, there was a habit of content that the child consumes, since childhood it was not cartoons. it was popular science, and i myself just love all this educational, and the child was also accustomed to it, and night pop, he needs to be re-educated, that is, you can’t watch lectures all day, and despite the fact that i don’t have any parental control, i don’t go in, i don’t look at the viewing history, and there are periods when he popular science jumps to the cartoon, but again it seems to me that it is very important for a parent to have a close connection with a child, to talk,

to discuss. to consume a lot, and what else can you do? and here planning also helps a lot, my son and i, i once asked him, what do you associate me with, and but i must say that at that moment i was sitting at my desk, the context of the situation is important, and he told me that you associate me with your little pieces of paper, stickers, on which you constantly write your to-do list, this is true, that is, i also have everything in electronic form, but what i write down for the day on pieces of paper, with my son we also every day... when we walk home from school, we plan what we will do, and you know, a gadget, it has become a very simple way to occupy yourself, you don’t have to strain yourself, so to come up with, i should take a jump rope, a ball, take, draw, do something else, play sports,

and you have to strain a little, in fact, for modern children a gadget is a lot of things, it ’s currency, a way of communication, a way to be in companies, in society and not to fall out of it, yes, but it is very simple. but here is my daughter, who is 11, she got a phone, now it was a subject of bargaining, why did i say that this is such a modern currency, including the relationship between children and parents, because she received a discount on tuition at school under the initial conditions, that

is, as in decent business in general some kind of relations, before she began to participate in the olympiad, we discussed what she would get if she won this discount, she said: i will need a phone twice a week for half an hour, very modestly, she... how can i replace the wonderful school chats, in which some kind of bakhanali happens, i discussed this with her this morning, i listened for 20 minutes to who wrote what to whom there, what who forwarded, i'm sitting and thinking where to run, well, i can't take the phone, these are the terms of the contract, they are all fulfilled, but i really want to offer her something else. there must be a phone, there must not be a phone, or that problem containing

a contradiction, that is, something must be and something must not be, at the same time, well already in the contradiction itself contains part of the answers, part of the solution, that is, there should be a phone for that, because they promised, because the agreement was kept and should.

not like that, and there are different points here, here is the quality of this communication, that it is somehow at the same time, as i understand it, you are worried about it , can we show the child resources when we communicate with our friends, what are we talking about, that we are not talking about skirts and lipstick or who is with whom, who looked at, but we can discuss some meaningful things, yes, questions that worry you, well that yes, you can.

it depends, and there is an environment in which no matter how wonderful, personally, our child is, he will discuss everything that you don’t like, he will swear, he will be, well, and so on, because well, this is accepted, this is the law. the carrier of this problem is the phone, the phone is a supersystem in relation to

the chat, therefore, when we say that there should be a phone, because the promise is fulfilled, and there should not be a phone or there should not be a phone, so that there are not these problems with the scattering of attention, with substitution of live communication, with the substitution of concepts, because at school they communicate normally, at the moment we are talking about a conflict already in chats and... we need to solve this problem, speaking about adolescence, i understand perfectly well that for many, a phone is a sign of adulthood, in this case, if we are talking about chats or we are talking about social networks, for many children this is a sign that i am growing up, that i am breaking some rules, i absolutely agree with zhenya here, because it is really important to break them sometime, you can't do it all the time to be perfect, you can go crazy when they are at school, they also want to do a little mischief, they also want to say forbidden things... they also want to do something like that, but here

there is a mixing of two lives, since they are small, they are 11 years old, this is their first experience, they came to high school, it seems to them, we are such adults, fifth grade, everything is already happening, this mixing, that they transfer the chat to real life, this is the first experience of mixing these lives, virtual and real, and it can be traumatic for children in many ways, but from you i want some unique solutions, maybe exercises, maybe...

the idea, i'm all for the fact that the child should see that his parents have friends and how he communicates with them and what's going on, but this is different, because friends are here at the table, the child doesn't see in the chats, maybe we do the same there, it's scary to imagine, when, by the way, a good idea, think about where you can add your child to the family chat, if you don't have one, create one, ask in this family chat his opinion on something completely elementary topics, for example, what to cook today for... you need him to see that his opinion is important, well, yes, that he is not just

a spectator, yes, zhenya, what do you have three pedagogy? about communication in chats, all this, it is really cool here, i also thought, here is a subsystem tool, yes others, when we are other chats, or from the same chat, here you say, there is one who bullies, there is another who breaks the rules, and you can offer your child, and invite not all classmates there, but some, yes, with them also make your own chat, that is, do not leave this of course.

what do you think, this kind of punishment, what are its pros, what are its cons? that is, again , i do not pose a dilemma: bad, good, here in triz there is a wonderful game, well, even more so for triz teachers, it helps to start studying triz, the game good-bad, when we take one situation or not necessarily a situation, we can take an object, candy, a phone, what is good in it,

what is bad in it, and there is also a cool version of this game, when we take some situation, name some situation, here is an obviously bad one. a child smokes, for example, a child smokes, what is good about it, nothing, no, this answer is not accepted, what is good about it, he will get a negative experience and will not want to do it in the future, probably, maybe, and what exactly is good about it, learn from your mistakes, i would like to say about the future, because we hope, for children this is a very distant story, of course, yes, that is, we never know what will happen, you talked about the non-standard at the very beginning.

before playing it, think in advance what situation you are offering, and if you do this with your children, they will beat you, you will consider yourself guilty, curse us with bad words, that we came up with this game for you, because it is necessary for the parent to be a little bit one step ahead in this situation, in psychology there is a similar

methodology, it is called projective methods, and sometimes it can be a little easier, because in adolescence, if we can offer small children drawings, sculptures, therapeutic fairy tales, teenagers go well therapeutic stories or as they are sometimes called therapeutic tales, that this guy who smoked, everything fell apart for him, everything became bad, let's decide, look at it from different angles and discuss what we can offer this family, how we could have acted differently, and here it is very important, when we tell a child that life has fallen apart and so on, to ask, why do you think that this teenager is doing this, after all... and children very often have a need to talk about this, to ask their questions, and if they know that we will not accept that we are looking only from one side, they will never tell us this, if they never tell us this, we will be able to work through it together. haris is allowed to the new repertoire only if

he passes all the disciplines, is that clear? soloviev, are you free today. time for oleg baselashvili's ninetieth birthday. lord, how handsome you are, well, this is against my background, gone, get out of here, i will beat your whole face, they say you can't outplay children and animals, you can't outplay baska either, don't ask for anything, never and nothing, how is this i still can't understand if i could play it , he dances as he should, he sings as he should, he does...